Bareback Exposure

Ok, we have said this before, but I'll repeat it here. We have been in the lifestyle since high school, 30+yrs. Over that time period we used condoms less than a dozon times.. We are tested regurarly, we have NEVER picked up any STD (other than a Yeast infection, and that was from one-and-other. lol) How do/did we do it, we are careful who we party with. Yes we know there is a risk.

No one that even looks like they ever used drugs
No Bi or Gay or TV men, etc..
NO one that in there profile indiocates that they would (above point)
No one with out a job
No rough people (don't ask what that means)
Very Very few singles and they (a he and a she) were not in the lifestyle.
Yes to stable married adults.
Linn

From Poly: "Barebacking from my perspective is stupid, irresponsible and VERY risky." This at least implies that people doing so are stupid, irresponsible, and incurring risk, the way I read it.

From Nine: "I totally agree with that Poly even the ones that support this are as stupid I feel as the ones doing it." So Nine reads your comments the same way I do, and feels the same way you do, that people who do it are stupid. He goes further and says those who support the right, in this thread, for each person to make their own decisions as to condom use are stupid also.

And I still stand by what I said, it is so funny to read how people compare bareback sex to riding a motorcycle with no helmet or no lifejacket on a boat and so on. Everything has consequences and if you can't deal with the backlash from people on what you say maybe the forums are not for you.

From Poly: "Barebacking from my perspective is stupid, irresponsible and VERY risky." This at least implies that people doing so are stupid, irresponsible, and incurring risk, the way I read it.

From Nine: "I totally agree with that Poly even the ones that support this are as stupid I feel as the ones doing it." So Nine reads your comments the same way I do, and feels the same way you do, that people who do it are stupid. He goes further and says those who support the right, in this thread, for each person to make their own decisions as to condom use are stupid also.

Luving and Altplay, I applaud you. Your up front and I think anyone can respect that.

What I find interesting is that there are so many people on here that it is there way or your wrong. Regardless if you us a condom or not swinging opens you up to the possibility of contracting a STD. Heck there are some couples that want everything wrapped and to do less in their eyes is stupid. So, if there are couples who want to go bareback so be. And I am sure there are many couple out there in which it is there preference. For those who don't play bareback you can say no. No one is saying you have to play. Isn't that part of finding out process of what everyone's preferences and boundaries are before playing.

As we all know condoms do not completely protect you from warts or HPV (sp) unless you cover the base mound area or completely cover the female outer area. And then there is still the possibility of getting them. A better protection for women would be to use the female condom. So, how many women use the female condom? And latex condoms with Spermicides and Nonoxynol 9, which was thought in the past to help to prevent pregnancy and the transmission of HIV and other STDs, is now known to be ineffective. Some people have an allergic reaction to Nonoxynol 9 that can result in little sores, which can actually make the transmission of HIV more likely. Because of this, you should only use condoms and lubricants containing Nonoxynol 9 if you are HIV negative and know that your partner is too. So how many people use condoms with lubricants?

I digress, all that I am trying to say is everyone selects their level of risk. Differences makes the world go around!!!

There was a comment implying, at least that is how I took it, that those who supported bareback probably played bareback too and it was good to know to stay away from them. My response to that is we are generally a soft swap; however, when I want dp the guy wears a condom. Although when I give bj's I don't warp it. lol Oh, I do have female condoms too. lol

We have gotten grief from condom lovers here because of what is in our profile. In short; That if you can prove that you are diesese free condoms are not a requirement. But we also state that we have no problem using them.

I'm not going to repost what I've stated in other forum here (use the search option on "luving_it" if your interested, its worth reading). But just a comment or two that I haven't made before.

-1. If when we have sex and you request that I wear a condom why does it
bother you if I had sex with someone else without a condom.

-2. This is more my concern, but when someone insists on using condoms I wonder what do they have that they don't want to pass on to me. I realy do have second thoughts... and yes I have passed because of that.

Doug

"Based on what bicpl4u2pa posted in their original thread, seems to be a whole lot! Scary shit if you ask me."

Well only thing I would have to agree with DandJ is 'Play at your own Risk'

Hey DandJ since you know all the google statistics what is the % of people who practice bareback and do not admit it and why aren't more couples and/or singles like altplay 'honest' about barebacking ?

""The one thing that threads like this one do is bring out the ones who are supporting and/or practicing the highest risk of fucking,""

I totally agree with that Poly even the ones that support this are as stupid I feel as the ones doing it.

I will state that they do have the right to do what they please with there life -- maybe they can not deal with what they know is the truth (that's it wrong) !

of the 633 post in the ( Bi couples) bareback bi anal thread I failed to see anyone except the OP claim to be doing this, are all ashamed to admit it like altplay has on this thread....

DandJ.. I was going to respond in support of Alt but after reading your response I felt there was no need. You are correct everyone picks their level of risk. So let the games begin!!!

Poly, Alt's point was that you play your way and they will play their way. Your risk level from swinging is one that many people who don't swing would call dangerous and irresponsible.

Yet you feel smug calling a risk level greater than yours "stupid, irresponsible and VERY risky." exactly what non-swingers would call yours for swinging at all. You have decided on a risk level comfortable to you. Alt has decided on a risk level comfortable to them. And people who don't swing have decided on a risk level comfortable to them.

So where do you get off with your holier than thou attitude when your own risk level is far greater than most peoples'?

We certainly arent gonna stop :-) But you're right there is always risk involved and its best to use all your instincts to make a decision.

We don't. We feel there is no such thing as safe sex only safer sex. We feel it is our responsibility to minimize the risk for ourselves. We work on the assumptions everyone might have something. But at the same time we do not get to paranoid or we would never play..lol But I am sure there are other people who probably do what you do.

We're getting a bit freaked out by so many people exposing themselves to dangerous sex practices. We were invited to a bareback group and accepted to see who was a member. We suspect there are others like us who are "members" that are monitoring these other swingers. (We actually personally know one other couple who is doing the same thing we are). When we check out the certifications of those who are self proclaimed barebackers we leave a note on each of their profiles in "note" section saying "bareback known -exposed etc. When you check out those people's certifications then their friends certifications then theirs.... and so on and so on like in that hair care commercial.... the list of possible disease exposure is STAGGERING! We're having a VERY hard time keeping up and leaving notes on all!

We wonder just how many people think like we do and are checking certifications and who they've been certified by!