Bipartisanship Experiment

so you disagree with Trump admins : "...that federal civil rights law does not ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation"?

As for the first 11 lines of your last post, could you please try a little punctuation and Grammer to make your question more understandable? Because it sounded like there were two or three questions in that giant run-on sentence.

But to answer your last question, gays and lesbians have the same individual rights afforded any other citizen of the country.

can you explain to me then how religious freedoms work for the common good providing that they do not grant equal rights and would you agree with Trump administration and current DOJ "...that federal civil rights law does not ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation"? Do gay and lesbians have the right of " life liberty and pursue of happiness" ?

I think there are a great many people with Judeo-Christian values on both sides of your argument and I'll go so far as to say that conservatives have a greater concentration than liberals. I think your 90% is a bit inflated but that figure is probably moot in the grand scheme of the debate. Go on.

On the macroscopic level yes....but the difference is much deeper. Liberal are willing to give up some individual rights for the common good. Now back to my pillars of conservationism...you will agree with me that Judeo-Christian religion is a core believe system of the conservative movement as of now..right ? Let say...over 90% of conservatives are Christian or Christian denomination ?

No need to suggest John Stuart Mill. His "Utilitarianism" was required reading for me in high school as well as for my children. I'm quite familiar with him and many other secular and religious philosophers.

So to get back to your question, which was the different between conservatives and liberals.
Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.
Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.

Hopefully at some time, probably a month or two from now, we will have finally gone over ALL the definitions of ALL the words that you are going to use in your grand argument. So please, continue.

Baring the current debate over Sar's big three (banks, guns and Jesus), which I will happily continue to dismantle.......

The experiment here was to show that we as Americans, have much more in common than we like to admit. Having to consider the other side of the isle and more importantly, to acknowledge their successes, shows maturity. I applaud all of you who were man or woman enough to bite your partisan tongues to participate. I also need to acknowledge our friend Sar for illustrating quite well what we see in Washington far too often.

It seems as though the politicians can't get out of their own way or swallow their pride enough to see, and vote for, something that they probably know is good for the country but goes against their party. I'm not saying that this never happens but it is more the exception rather than what it should be, the rule.

If we in the forums, as a small representation of society, can put aside our partisanship, it gives us a small measure of hope for true bipartisanship in our government in the future.

May I suggest John Mill on the subject.. and of cource im talking about penal law.. and of cource you have an example of accepted harmfull social behavior for the common good? ... But lets move on...back to my question..

SUGARS

Stop playing the victim. There was NOTHING condescending. That is the first post I have seen from you where it has substance. Most of the time you come in with barely a one liner. So take the fucking compliment.

The fact that I agree a lot with the premise and would just tweak some things doesn't mean that I am condescending.

So stop being a snowflake.

"do no harm" is NOT a principle of common good. So we will NOT agree on that point. Secondly, for what "law" are you referring?

"do no harm" is the actual principle we all agree to abide by thats why we have the law.. .. With that in mind what is the difference between liberal and conservative ?

Sar has no idea what he is talking about. He thinks illegal immigration is for the common good. The only people it benefits is the illegal immigrants. Though if you don’t agree with Sar you are a bad person.

Lack of knowledge? Common good is something that is shared or beneficial for all or the majority of a given group.

So is that defined differently in your bubble?

We all agree to what the common good is.. . Lol.. Your lack of knowlge as how the civilisation works is amazing... I guess rules are different inside the bubble so.. What is the "common good" principle...

What Sar doesn’t understand is that trump has tanking the old democrat playbook and ripped it up and walked all over it. Basically it doesn’t work anymore. They are going crazy because their usual tactics are not working anymore.

Fred.... I suspect he will be trying to pivot that idea into the banks, guns and Jesus thing. This should be good. He only has a chance with one of the three. But I won't say which one. Lol

Sar still playing that if you don’t think and believe what he does than your a bad person. Who decides what is common good? One persons common good may not be seen that way by another.

Sar... Neither is mutually exclusive, they are equally important.

Electoral college is how our presidents are elected. You thumbsuckers knew the rules of the game before it started. So stop crying and in your case try to assimilate.

Dems did not give you Trump..electoral college did.. most people did not want him.. Hope you win forever..

To mario:.. so.. individual rights or common good?

Both sides have had some good and some bad points. Today both sides still do, but the Dems are way by far worse than the Repubs. All you have to do is watch the MSM even they show all of that.

Mickey

Erotic, just can't help himself from being condescending. Typical liberal. We expect nothing less. Thanks for giving us Trump. Keep up the good work.

Sar, Ah, yes. Back to your "pillars", banks, guns and Jesus. I guess if we just abolished all three, then we'd be right as rain, yes?

VA..... Well done and in the spirit of the thread, bipartisanship.