about done with single males

Based on stories? LOL how about those who actually went to the Edgewater and Barry and Shell clubs? Who went the private groups like Baysex BIO and Jacks.

Stories give me a break.

Nefarious Sweets, I'm sorry you haven't had much luck finding what you want on SLS. There are certainly a lot of unsuitable men around, but there are also a lot of good ones. I don't know if it would help, but one of my screening tools is to immediately eliminate anyone who wants anything from me, from access to my private gallery to an offsite email or kik. I think that gets rid of about 95% of the entitled bunch, which leaves me with a lot more patience with which to weed through the other 5%. Then more eliminate themselves by not immediately agreeing to a coffee date. What's left has been very much the cream that rises to the top. Anyway, good luck and however you go about your search, I'm sure there's someone out there for you.

ncalcouple: "Single men where never allowed in any party or club."

And I'm telling you that based on the stories of men who were actually swinging all over the country in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, singles were definitely allowed at parties and clubs. Sure, there have always been couples-only groups, then and now, but that's different than what you're saying, which is that singles, particularly men, were not allowed to participate in swinging. That's just untrue.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPHECY

The terms Cuckolding and HotWifing where created after single men ended swinging and the lifestyle started. The single men in porn and all the violent sex in porn is because of Viagra.

Before Viagra most men could not get it up in group or in front of a camera, if you look at the old porn it was sensual and no violent sex with most of the group sex with more women they men. Now most men can get hard in group or on camera with the help of Viagra. Men are $$$$$$$$$$$ and everyone is milking the men for as much as they can.

Single men where in swinging, they would adverse in the sex rags like the Spectator that would be free in front of the post office. I have no idea how successful they where in those rags. Single men where never allowed in any party or club. In N Cal the Edgewater and Barry and Shells where couples and women only. The big private groups where couples only Baysex, BIO and Jack's houseboat parties.

Some women would come to a party as a couple even if their husband could not have sex. They where a couple, this is the key. No single women where allowed at any of the private groups and only at the clubs.

You keep saying that I claim that the sex is all about me. Do you know what a sex goddess is? how they are treated? When you are at a private party with sex goddesses the sex is always about the goddess.

NJ, you know that some asshat is gonna beg for a webcam feed of your girl's night with Molly, right?

Not that classy guy like me would EVER be so crass to suggest it.

shifty eyes

Nefarious, I’m glad I could be of some assistance.

Having a fwb is great in my opinion, but finding one can be difficult. Don’t limit yourself to the profiles on SLS. It’s just one site out of many and one avenue out of many others.

You have plenty options to chose from beautiful. Use them all up before throwing in the towel. ;)

HV

Hungvet, good point about using other places to look. I'm not looking for a quicky one nighter, though. If some guy happens to be in my area I won't go hook up with him. Those once-and-done are so easy to find. I want a FWB; the same person, not once and done. That is a lot harder to find. As I said, I think going to events in my area and looking there will be a better use of my time. I don't want to have a bunch of random hook ups! If that is what someone else likes, I'm not judging. I just know my goal is quality experiences with as few partners as possible.

njny, I would love a girls' night with you. Also, I think it's my weird sense of humor rather than fortitude, although I can keep it up all night for debates too. ;-)

“During these parties I would hardly ever see my wife until we where done and by the buffet.”

Now where is that thread that Ncal’s wife didn’t like anal? Sure seems an opportunistic time for her to make that to happen........

Just sayin’

ncal, from 2002 to 2005, I spent quite a lot of quality time sitting in the laps and at the feet of men who had swinging experiences reaching back into the 60s, asking them to tell me stories. Singles have always been part of swinging, except in the fantasyland that is your brain. It's one of the reasons I doubt you have any actual swinging experience.

Allen, the coffee didn't help (and why can't coffee taste even sort of as good as it smells?). So, I'm going back to where you weren't confusing me.

Men, regardless of relationship status, have nothing to exchange. You can't make a market unless you have an asset, and men, married or not, aren't sufficiently rare or in demand to constitute an asset.

Not that men don't have value, because they most certainly do, but if you commodify them the way you're doing, then not in demand relative to supply, and with nothing particularly rare to offer. So, maybe don't think of swinging as an exchange?

Also, I have questions. A couple of my recent threesomes have been with married people playing solo with permission. By your standards, do all four have something to exchange or just the men? Why or why not? What about the woman?

“yet still you continue to focus on singles (of either gender) as “less than” — “because (they) have nothing to swap””

NJNY: No dear, I was focusing on you having a male “bargaining chip”, a “commodity”, a “barter”, a “trade”, when all along an argument was made about males offering females as the same, but I’m presenting it in a gentler asshat kind of way. Thank you for the kind Friday. :-)

GGMM: For the sake of it, we can continue to debate ideas, but it will continue to be a made a moot point, no matter how badly the initial intention was misconstrued. You can have the floor all you want now..........

I’m taking the bed and putting it to rest. :-P

~Allen

Ncal you keep digging yourself into a hole, I tell ya.

So what is Cuckolding and HotWifing, Ncal?

Ashia should have not played with you, if her husband couldn’t play, according to your previous statement. But since he couldn’t play, it was ok for her to have fun with you.

Do you not see you double standard?

Was she being inconsiderate when she was playing with you?

It sounds to me that because you are a married man, and not a single male, those rules don’t apply to you, even though the situation is the same.

In your world, “Wives can only play with married men, and husbands can play with anybody.”

But does it have to be all about the husband?

You constitute swinging as YOU playing with another woman. Evidence of that is in your comments. If you can’t/don’t play then it’s not “fun”.

Not once have you talked about the woman’s/wife’s perspective. It seems like as a husband, you are only looking out for yourself.

What if your wife doesn’t want to deal with another female and just wants you and another guy to please her?

Do you tell her no because you don’t have another female to play with?

What if she wants another man, while you watch, do you knock down her request?

What’s funny is that the rhetoric you speak of about single males feeling entitled, is very much a reflection of your actions.

You feel entitled to play with other wives and other women. If the other husband can’t play, you gladly take his place, without hesitation, while your wife has to find another husband, from another to couple to play with.

Tisk, tisk

HV

Hung before single men and the lifestyle swinging was everyone showing up at a party or club, the couples would split up with the wife having her fun and the man having his. It was really fun, kind of like everyone was back in high school with everyone knowing what they are doing.

It was rare for couples to meet up for full swap outside of a party, because it was not nearly as fun.

At these parties there where some women who had husbands who did not or could not have sex for whatever reason. One of my favorite play partners Ashia's husband had MS. for example. During these parties I would hardly ever see my wife until we where done and by the buffet.

This is swinging.

We are having a party like this tonight with six other couple.

Allen, I can't figure out what your last post means. I'll try again after yoga and maybe even toss in a coffee for extra clarity.

But. No apology was necessary. I'm arguing ideas here and it's pretty tough to get offended by an idea, no matter how wrongheaded.

"I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that no bartering is taking place because you have nothing with which to barter"

"To analyze it and break it down to specifics, there is no trade because “they” have nothing for exchange, therefore without exchange, no market commodity can be established."

I said in an earlier statement from an economic standpoint, but you made it damn clear to place a female in the aspect; are you sure you only want to take a female stance since NJNY has a male (commodity) to trade? You also missed the initial sarcasm towards the SM and took offense, for which my apology fell on deaf ears. You Have a nice Friday.

And a Happy Fucking Friday to everyone...

(signed a disdained single male)

;-)

ncalcouple: "No married woman who cares and loves her husband is going to go off with a single man if the husband does not have a woman to play with."

So, you're saying that married men are too incompetent to find women on their own. So, nursery school rules for you so that nobody's feelings get hurt. And by nobody's I mean sensitive man feelings. Got it.

888eatme888: "If you are a single, male or female, you’re not swinging/ swapping/ bartering anywhere- anyhow. It’s really that simple, take it or leave it."

I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that no bartering is taking place because you have nothing with which to barter, but moving on from that invalid point, no one playing as a single is swapping. But swapping, while the lynchpin of swinging, is not the only way to swing. There are as many ways to do that as there are active swingers. So, I'll be leaving it. Right over there in the trash heap of bad notions. ;-)

Recap

From Ncal (himself):
No married woman who cares and loves her husband is going to go off with a single man if the husband does not have a woman to play with.

So...
If the wife is playing while the husband gets nothing, the wife is being inconsiderate. Then explain the couples that HotWife or Cuckold, where the husband doesn’t play with other females but the wife has her share. Are you saying that they’re living the lifestyle wrong?

From Ncal:
Single men are not fun, unless the husband likes to watch or cant get it up at all.

So....
Husbands are either impotent or voyuers if they like to see they’re wives with other men.

So...
Ncal you’ve never watched your wife as played?

And if so were you the creepy voyeur or the impotent husband?

Or was it this, you synchronized your thrusts with the other guy’s so that you wouldn’t be in either category?

Like really?? haha

So the fun is all about you, because that’s exactly what you’re saying.

What do you call wives that like to have single females play with their husbands? Are they rigid and can’t get wet or are they lurkers?

Is the husband inconsiderate of his wife, if he plays with a SF and she doesn’t?

HV

NJNY: You edited!

:-P

Moving along...........

NJNY: I suppose you’re right. Let’s also not forget you also have no way to swap if you’re a single. ;-)

As I said earlier: Shout out to the couples! lol

NJNY: We stand before you as a couple. Where is your other half to do a full swap with us?

Nowhere.

Can you swap with us?

No.

Fact.

GGMM: “I brought me” lol... not PC, got it.

If my Mrs doesn’t like the male half of another couple, there is no trading of spouses. The same goes for me. I would be highly correct to assume the same applies for the other couple. If you are a single, male or female, you’re not swinging/ swapping/ bartering anywhere- anyhow. It’s really that simple, take it or leave it.

That single men don't have a woman to swap so that the married man has some fun is the real issue. Swinging is about everyone having a fucking good time. With single men in the mix the married man is left out to sit by himself somewhere, this is not fun at all.

No married woman who cares and loves her husband is going to go off with a single man if the husband does not have a woman to play with. Swinging is about everyone having fun, If its not fun for someone then its not fun for anyone.

Single men are not fun, unless the husband likes to watch or cant get it up at all.

The lifestyle is not about everyone having a fucking good time, its about MONEY

Oh, Allen, I am not being PC. The opposite, actually, in that I am being fairly direct that it's a fiction that married men have anything that single men do not. You have exactly what the woman in your life allows, nothing more and nothing less. So, dude, you have nothing to barter except, er, a lie that men tell themselves and women go along with because it's just easier.

Really, none of us are barter or bargaining chips and there are as many ways to swing as there are swingers. I know the tired old canard that only couples are swingers, but nobody has actually been able to offer a reason that doesn't play into some wrongheaded notion or other. I've done it as part of a couple, as a single, as part of a couple-for-the-night, and probably some other combo that doesn't come to mind, because it's been a lot of days and nights over the years, and I've brought exactly the same thing to the party each and every time: Me.