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We we are your hosts northern guy and southern girl and today we have a special episode we do we're sitting down with twin sisters which is kind of you know a lot of people's fantasies yeah it is and uh so we're here with the double team podcast uh it's cammy and nikki and i'm gonna they're sitting in front of us and we asked them to tell us was which. I still might get confused at some point. I think Nikki has the green shirt on. You got it. Yep. You got it. Yay! And we're just here to talk about them and their podcast and get to know them a little bit.
And so recently, well, it was a couple weeks ago, I think, we did what you call a, and I didn't even know this. They had to teach us this, a feed drop. Yeah. Where we drop their podcast episode into our feed and uh people get to listen to it yeah we got some good feedback from that and so now we're gonna have them on the podcast just to kind of get to know them and talk about their thing so welcome to the the show guys we're happy you're here thank you we're happy to be here um and just to like differentiate voices if you're, I'm Cammie and I'm Nikki.
We do sound a lot alike, but there are definitely some differences. Yeah. So I'll try to change my pitch a little bit just so. No. Talk normal. Talk normal. Your pitch is already different than mine. Are you sure? Yeah. Because even I've listened to our own podcast before. And one time, actually a few times I've been listening to our episodes, just audio and, you know, someone will be saying something and I was like, wait, I thought, I thought Nicole said that. And then it's me like, I'm like, wait, it was so confusing. I was like, okay, so we do sound alike.
So I totally understand like if someone struggles with this. When you sent us the feed drop uh script in there it said go to social media if you want to see whose voice belongs to to who yeah if you need to follow along with the actually see them talking yeah and at first i was like that's a silly thing and but now i totally get it like yeah yeah i was just gonna say one of our favorite youtube comments was uh someone said imagine having to watch the podcast so you can tell the difference i guess i never really thought about it when you have two like especially females Thank you.
someone said, imagine having to watch the podcast so you can tell the difference. I guess I never really thought about it when you have two, especially females that sound so much alike. It's different because- Well, they look alike too, though. Yeah, I know. It still would be hard. Yeah, it's very hard. Okay. So let's get to your podcast, all right? So can you just tell us, so your podcast is called The Double Team Podcast. Can you just tell us a little bit about what that's about? Sure. It's about non-monogamy, sexuality, and kink. More so lately, it's more about non-monogamy and sexuality.
We haven't covered, no, I guess we have done kink a little bit this season. It's just been a minute since we've been able to be in the kink space. But we started the podcast almost three years ago now. Nikki was in an open marriage and I had just moved out to California and she was exploring, you know, being in an open marriage. I was exploring. I was single again. I had just gotten out of a relationship and I wanted to explore my kinky side. And one day we were at a bar with, um, with a guy that I was seeing. He was actually my dom for a little bit.
Um, but we were at a bar with his friend and we were just talking about, you know, Nikki's tales. And, um, and we're like, oh yeah, someone mentioned we should do a podcast on it. And he was like, yeah, absolutely you should. And we're like, yeah, haha, maybe we didn't really like take him seriously.
Um, but he's actually, he was the producer of Logan Paul's podcast and he put us in an email thread with an audio editor and was like, Hey, this is double team they need an audio editor they're gonna start a podcast soon so here you go connecting everyone and we're like double teamed what yeah we didn't that wasn't even the name we like originally had planned but we're like okay we'll just roll with it like i mean it's like trust me you want this yeah he was like you want this yeah so we're like okay what was the original name i don't know what was it gonna be i think we were thinking like tinder tales or something stupid really stupid we're like oh that's funny yeah i don't even remember but it was yeah and then and that's kind of how i came to be and i mean like cammy had a you know you were in like dentistry at the time i had a corporate job selling airplanes like our careers looked very very different and then like slowly but surely like the pod kind of like took over our lives and became our whole lives became our whole lives now it's like what I do full-time like I edit our show she does our brand outreach and sponsorship and like it's it's just kind of funny what it's turned into and on top of that like I don't know we've met so many cool people we've met like you know a lot of connections and friends that we really care about and you know that we like have kind of built a community with now so it's it's been a really great journey for sure I don't think people really you know we get asked about podcasting all the time and.
And I think there's like this misunderstanding that if you just start making podcast episodes and putting them up there that like somehow you're going to become a famous podcaster and everybody's going to make people don't get it's almost like TikTok or OnlyFans or a lot of these things. It's like, oh, I'm going to start on OnlyFans and next week I'm going to be making a million dollars on OnlyFans. I don't think people understand how much work goes into a podcast and especially making a podcast kind of go mainstream and actually get and grow an audience and be able to monetize that.
There's a lot of work that goes into that. It sounds like you guys are now helping and coaching other people in that direction as well. Absolutely. It takes a lot of work, I think. And the number one thing is, you know, and I remember when we were working with our audio editor, we don't use their services services now since Nikki edits, but I mean, he taught us a lot. And I remember one of the things that he was saying, he was like, most podcasts drop off after like the first three months because people don't realize just how much work you have to put into it. It's a labor of love.
I always say that. Yeah. And it's not like, I mean, we weren't really able to monetize it until what, maybe a year and a half in, more, yeah. Yeah. And even then, like, you know, it's not like we're making millions. Right. You're not living off of that. Yeah, exactly. Especially not a lavish life. If you are living off of it, it's very minimalistic. Yeah. So, yeah. I think having a podcast, it's amazing that we've been able to, like, grow community and, like, really inspire people.
Like, all the messages that we get have been so uplifting um but yeah it takes a lot of work it takes a lot of also vulnerability you know to put yourself out there put your stories out there tell the world your life and hope that they you know accept it and reciprocate you know or like connect with it yeah yeah because I mean for us like we talk a lot about like our sex lives like you know in when like exploring kink and non-monogamy and all of that like that's what we cover a lot of the time so it's like our own stories we'll have guests on the show and like you know we also like to do kind of like listener questions and whatnot but for the most part it's a lot about kind of like our own personal lives.
So yeah, it is very, very vulnerable. But it is cool to see the way that people connect to it and resonate and like, you know, kind of share similar experiences. Like I remember there was one episode where I was, I can't remember what it was, but I was like talking about something and I was like, I don't relate to that really. Oh, I had no idea. I was like trying to connect it in my mind. I was like, Nikki, this makes no sense to me. But then we had like four people, right? And then they're like, this is exactly how I feel. And I was like, thank you.
You know, so that's, that's always It was really fun. Yeah're 30 pretty young. I don't, is it rude to ask your ages, but you, you look like you're in your 20s. Thank you. We just turned 30. We're about to turn 40. So we get it. Oh my God. You guys look young too. Y'all look 30s too. Yeah. Thank you.
But, um, I, it actually just, I mean, we were pretty young when we, Cammie started reading books that were like reverse harems which is like one girl with like eight boyfriends and sometimes the boyfriends like dated each other too so it was all it was like a sort of like polyamory but it was more reverse harem but I started reading those books at like 22 23 and I read about it and then you know she would share them with me I would read them but like at least for me in my journey you know, my, um um, I've told this story so many times.
It's funny when I recite it, I could do it word for word the way that I've done it for every other, you know, but anyways, um, basically my ex-husband was a pilot and then I was also in aviation and my job had me kind of traveling all over the place too. So we spent a lot of time apart and then, you know, one day we were just kind of like, you know, we love each other, but like we're both young and hot and like, you know, we want to like not go weeks without sex because we don't see each other that often.
So we decided to open up our relationship and we started off with like, it was just whenever we were apart from each other for work. So, you know, he'd be off flying somewhere. I'd, you know, be off somewhere for work. And if we wanted to have like a one night stand or whatever we could. And so it was never, it was very like organic in the way that like, it didn't always happen.
You know, sometimes I'd go on a work trip and I wouldn't hook up with anyone or, you know, he'd go on a work trip and he wouldn't hook up with anyone, but sometimes it did happen and it was like really fun and exciting. And we did it like that for like three years.
and then one day um this is like a little bit after the pandemic we got on the dating apps and started exploring more and then we started going to play parties and having like threesomes and foursomes and you know swinging so and then eventually it like turned more like polyamorous so it was it was a whole journey and it was really cool because like you, I felt like we took very like gradual steps, but, um, it definitely like, at least along the way we grew closer, learned a lot about ourselves. Like it was, yeah, it was a good journey. And then, you know, we're not together anymore.
We did divorce, uh, but that was because he wanted children and I wasn't ready for that. He was a little bit older than me. And so he was ready to start a family and I wasn't. So, yeah, we parted ways. But we're still great friends. So then you're telling your sister all these stories and she's like, this sounds interesting. Yeah, I was. Actually, she didn't tell me about her open marriage until what, about a year or two in? Yeah, it was about a year in. Yeah.
I didn't know how she would take how she would take it so I didn't yeah well and at first I was like hella concerned but then I was like yeah they're having fun whatever it's fine um and then when I moved out here and I was I was living with her for a bit before I moved on my own and um yeah it was just like fun to share stories and or you, you know, to hear her stories. And at that point, like I, I was just like very much an ally to non-monogamy. Um, I started dating again and, um, the partner that I had at the time, he and I were exploring kink and, um, he, I took him to a few sex parties.
So we kind of like dabbled in it a little bit. Um, and then I was in a poly relationship last year. So, um, that was kind of like my, my journey in it. And yeah, I think through her, you know, through her experiences and just also being in the community and, you know, just, I don't know, living in it, immersing in it through the podcast. It's definitely opened my mind to a lot. I hope to have my own monogamous structure at some point. I find it interesting. You guys are West Coast, and we've talked to several people on the West know, we live in the southern states.
Are you about to say play parties? Yeah. Yeah. It seems like the West Coast, when they refer – so, you know, we consider ourselves swingers, and we say we go to swinger parties. And when we meet and talk and intermingle with people on the West Coast, it seems a lot of them are like – maybe they don't even want to use the word swinger, or some of them do. But it's a lot of like, yeah, we're non-monogamous and we go to play parties, which to me means like I'm a swinger and I go to a swinger party. It sounds better the way y'all say it. What do you think the difference is?
Are there differences there or are we just using different words? I think it's the same thing. I genuinely do. No, it's the same thing.
I just at least – and I'm actually really glad you brought this up because i've had this discussion before with people i've always not like i just don't really like the term swingers i don't there's nothing wrong like with the like i've been a swinger myself i guess i just never really identified with it because when i thought of it i always thought like 1970s like everyone starts with you know that kind of thing and they're putting their keys very common that the way you feel we have like business partners that also feel that way they hate that we have like not the podcast but like swinger society they would prefer that we didn't have it but of course now we have it and there's not much we can do about it but you're not alone in that that's actually very common see i don't think the term swinger is it's not bad i think it just got a bad rep at the start and i think i agree i think it's kind of like slut you know you can like take it as a negative turn or you can embrace it and be like yeah i'm a slut and i'm living my best life exactly i think it's all in how you like perceive it well i think the the thing that happens with swinger is that for people who don't know the community, they misinterpret it or they just use it as like a blanket term.
Yeah. So there's always that. And then you have to like explain this to them like, okay, no, open relationship and swinging are two different things. Polyamory and swinging are two different things. So that's always my take on it. I think play parties is just like a very all-inclusive term. I love it. Yeah. I wish we used play party. I think it sounds better. You don't necessarily have to identify it as a swinger to go to a play party. You could be any of these other things. To me, play party seems much more inviting. Like, everyone's welcome. Not just the 1970s. And play sounds so fun. Yeah.
Yeah.
But then we also hear people that don't like the word play they're like that's weird it's funny that you say that because i remember when i when i started the pod i was seeing a guy and i he had like listened to an episode and i asked him what he thought about it and that's what he said he was like he was like i hate that you guys use the term play yeah because we don't just relate that to children and then make it try to be like it's something weird that it's not you know i mean it's like adults can play too not just children exactly sexually and that's okay because we're all consenting adults like don't you don't have to make it weird like but some people just try it's all the same sex party and everyone's like so everyone's fucking each other and it's like you're like God damn it, no.
Sometimes. If it's a good party, maybe. If it's a good party. Yeah, that's true. But I mean, I like we use like, for example, at least out here on the West coast or like in this, in the community that we're in, like everyone uses play, like, you know, not only play parties, but we'll be like, Oh, have you played with this person before? Oh, have you used that? Yeah.
I played with this person or this is my play partner or this is my play partner you know and so and that always kind of like means that like you know you're not saying like you hooked up with someone you like had some sort of sexual encounter it could have just been you know oral it could have not been it could have been more like it could y'all could have had a threesome like it, it's like kind of a blanket term. Yeah. We use it the same way. Have you played with them? We've played. I want to play with them. I want to play with them. Yeah. Very similar.
My question, I was just wondering, are you public? I know you have a social media following. Does your families know? At what point did they find out? I guess I was just curious about that. Everyone knows. Everyone knows. We're very public.
Same very public same yeah her work knew my job obviously knows I work for my did they find out or were you just always open so well okay in terms of our family and parents like no one knew that I was like in an open marriage like our like very very close friends knew but for the most part we didn't tell anyone about it and obviously like when I you know when I started the pod like I told my ex-husband like now everyone's gonna know we're in an open relationship he was like it's fine I don't care and so then like you know like I remember his parents were super concerned when they found out and then like my parents my mom was like as long as you're happy I don't care our mom yeah yeah she was like she's supportive as fuck yeah she's very supportive our dad pretty much disowned us for a few years but now we're like back on a better relationship with him or it's getting better it's cordial um and then like I mean it definitely you know some of our friends were a little bit surprised and they're like oh wow and you know but for the most part I would say everyone that like you know truly at the end of the day cared about us stuck around and supported it and they were just you know as long as you're happy you know we're happy whatever um so that was always really great to see because I think it does really kind of like show people's true colors um which is interesting and then like I'll never forget because I was at least when we started we were just audio and so andki was a corporate girly yeah i had a corporate job i was selling airplanes for like eight years and um or well selling in the aviation industry for like eight years and i was hoping that no one would find out from work because you know it's like a sex podcast and like you know these people aren't going to recognize my name and or my my voice like you know because i worked remote anyways they did and everyone knew like everyone found out it spread like wildfire so but no one said a word to me about it like from management like yeah my boss never said anything um he found out from his boss so you know and he never said somebody's a freak in there though yeah and I was just like I was really glad that like no and you know my co-workers that I was close with I remember they were all it was kind of the same thing they're like we're just happy that you're happy you know and I mean I think they got a kick out of all the stories.
Um, but if anything, people were actually a lot more open with me, I found like a lot more like willing to be like vulnerable and like be open about, you know, something like their own experiences. Um, so yeah, it was an interesting experience kind of like opening up yourself to that.
But, you know, I think like the more that we show our authentic selves to people, the more that, you know, a, we find who is like authentically aligned with us in our lives, but also, you know, who like we can, I think it opens up like the space to connect even more so on a deeper level and like make those relationships better. so yeah now being west coast is open relationships and non-monogamy is it more accepted are you thinking like by the public out there? Or is it still pretty taboo overall? I mean, we can only really speak to L.A. because that's where we live.
But like in L.A., it's like very, you know, I think accepted in the sense that like most of the people now that I've dated or like that I meet have at some point tried maybe some form of non-monogamy or like some sort of group sex scenario.
Um, like I would say like a lot of the guys that I meet have like at least like been to a play party or like had a few threesomes or like dated a girl that was bisexual or, you know, so it's like, I definitely think at least here in this city people are a lot more open to it um now I mean I don't know I guess it just depends on what parts you go to I know San Francisco is very freaky they're very very kinky um San Diego has you know play parties of their own I know Oregon and Seattle like cannot can are very open-minded in a lot of ways but I don't live directly in those cities so i don't know exactly what happens i've heard though that like um what portland i've heard portland is pretty open yeah i mean i think it's just at the end of the day like people like bat less of an eye you know yeah yeah it's interesting you know because we're in the southern u.s where it's still very much conservative christian values are kind of um you know the norm and and yeah it's very very taboo and you know i just got out of the military and in the military it's very you know you you don't talk about it even though there's a lot of a lot of non-monogamous people in the military it's something you don't talk about so um we work with uh organizations like open which i don't know if you've ever heard of them but openlove.org they're actually a non-profit profit and they're working on passing legislation in different cities um anti-discrimination legislation to protect people so that you can't get fired from your your job uh you can't get discriminated against for housing and stuff like that because um not so much for us as swingers but like polyamorous people if there's a lot of housing won't even let you have three adults in an apartment or something like that yeah or on a lease yeah so they're doing a lot of that kind of that kind of legwork which is exciting to see i think i kind of feel like we're at the forefront of this kind of non-monogamy movement if you will where you know it was starting to be more normalized and then i think there's going to be some legislation and protections in place and i i actually think oakland was one of the cities that they were talking about where they were trying to pass some of that like currently trying to pass some of that legislation so i think stuff like that you know when we first we started about three years ago with the podcast and all that kind of stuff and that's kind of always been our stick is like yeah we're advocates for the swinger community and and we want to help normalize this and and help protect the community and it's it's nice to see some of this finally actually starting to come to fruition and and laws actually being passed and put into place though oh i agree interesting journey i think i think non-monogamy is a lot like cocaine where They're like, the older you get, you realize everyone does it at some point or another.
They've tried it. Maybe they're really into it, but. Yeah. Everyone's, yeah. Everyone's doing it. That was pretty good. That's a first. I've never heard that one. We didn't even do cocaine. I don't do cocaine, but I have tried it. I've never done cocaine. For the record, we don't either. Yeah, we've never done it. I mean, I'm not saying it never happened, but I've never done it so far. You know, we – go ahead. I just saw a meme once where it was like the older I get, the more I realize a lot of people do cocaine or something like that.
And I was like, that's like non-monogamy so it's like i mean you know you at least try it once just to see what it's like but um i'm glad though to see kind of like the shift towards like you know like you were saying like the legislations and whatnot to protect people i think that's great i remember one of our first episodes where i was like you know tax laws are very monogamous like you know a lot every all the laws that we have in place are very mononormative and like you know i it would be great to see you know the future kind of go towards a direction where it's like it can Thank you.
like you know a lot every all the laws that we have in place are very mononormative and like you know i it would be great to see you know the future kind of go towards a direction where it's like it can be more like inclusive of like other different relationship styles i don't think you know we're like super super close to that you know i think it's probably at least another 20 plus years but like you know you start seeing it a lot more like so in you know tv lately so many shows are like incorporating like you know non-monogamy or kinky relationships in there and so like you know just to kind of get people a little bit more used to it i hate that a lot of times like they show it just go up in flames and they make it something that's like you adds to like the the drama in the story but like so it would be great to see like a representation of like a really healthy non-monogamous relationship in a tv show you know where they actually showcase like the amount of communication that goes into it and like there's a lot of love and care and like everyone gets tested it's not just you know stds running rampant so um i would love to see some better representation of it but at the end of the day like cool that, like, now when you go on TV, like, chances are you're at least watching a show or two that have, like, some form of a, like, open or non-monogamous or swinging kind of relationship in there.
Yeah. So have you two ever been – so me and Lacey have been approached a few times now by reality TV show producers and things like that. Have you had anybody reach out to you guys and ask you questions like that?
The first thing I want to talk about is the first thing I you had anybody reach out to you guys and ask you questions like that the first thing they say is what is the drama they're always asking and we're like uh this is where this is going yeah yeah and then you're like you're gonna be sorely disappointed the drama is the fact that the condom broke at the last sex party and we just put a new one on and moved on like it's not that big of a deal um yeah I think I had I had one dating show or maybe I think we had like just one or two but surprisingly not that many so and I'm fine with that really if survivor called that'd be a different story yeah as far as dating shows no no no yeah we usually just pass because we want if we ever are involved in one we want to make sure that they're looking to share the way we see the we make it clear about what our platform is and it's like if you're here for you know like scandal or to to you know dig into something because some of them you know we've had interviewers and stuff and they just want to almost promulgate these stigmas that are out there.
And it's like, well, we don't want any part of that. We're trying to do the opposite of that. So if that's what you're looking for, you're talking to the wrong people. But it is interesting. All right. I think now is the perfect time to take a little break and hear from the partners and sponsors of the Swing Nation podcast. And when I get back, I want to talk how you guys manage talking about your sex life as sisters and kind of how that works.
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And you're like, sure. How did that go? Like how when you guys first sat down to film the first episode, like how did that come? Were you already having these conversations? Was it awkward for you? No, I mean, that's kind of like why it started. We were having those conversations. I think it was just because a lot of times we would talk about like the books that we read and they were really raunchy and smutty. And so like we were already talking about sex and then, and then that just kind of snowballed into like talking about like our own sex lives and things that we've explored.
And so, you know, then when it came to talking talking about it on the pod like it it came very naturally but like a lot of it too like if you listen to our show especially like we get very introspective like with each other and I think you know a lot of times like we spend so much time together we're like we're past the like oh how is your day conversation we're like in the middle of a restaurant getting really deep about like why this relationship went wrong or something like that yeah I mean yeah I mean we know just about everything about each other's lives and so um you know when it comes to sex I think that part it wasn't it never felt weird now granted when we we go to the same play parties and I think people are always gonna have that like that's where the rules came in and we but we have a really good system and i'm really proud of it i am too because if a party is less than like 40 50 people we won't go yeah together okay one of us will go one or you get one or the other um and we do have to make sure that the space has like at least two rooms yeah if we're going to go together.
Which, I mean, a lot of the play parties here, they're big houses. We can avoid each other. And what's great, a lot of our community, because we go to a lot of the parties that a lot of our friends go to. And they know our rules. So a lot of times I'll be about to walk into a room and they're like, oh, Kami's in there. And I'm like, OK, thank you. I'm not going to walk into that room. Yeah. And so but then also like three of our big rules, like we don't hook up with the same people. We won't watch each other. No, definitely not. And we won't do anything together. Yeah.
Won't do anything together and we won't be in the same room. But the rule about like not hooking up with the same people, that's another one where like I really appreciate how much other people pay attention to that. Thank you.
thing together and we won't be in the same room but the rule about like not hooking up with the same people that's another one where like I really appreciate how much other people pay attention to that for example I was at a birthday orgy this last weekend and I was like cuddling with this one girl and I just remember you know she was like oh yeah we can't play because Kimmy and I have played and I'm like yep no we can't like it's fine if I sit here like I was I was just like resting my head on her leg as we were watching a bunch of people around us fuck but you know like that was like the extent of it and that's totally fine but like i'm not going to play with her in any capacity um and same with like the guys and so yeah i mean we we like have our system in terms of like how to navigate these so you have to like call dibs or something like how how does that?
Oh yeah. We have a dib system. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's always really fun because like, I don't know. I mean, usually I feel like we have slightly different types. So most of the time I'll be like dibs and I'll be like, that's all you, or, you know, the other will be like, that's all you girl. Like I'm not even interested.
There have been a few where it's like's like okay we both kind of are interested in that person a lot of times it'll just depend on who got the last dibs you know as a person gets this dibs yep um or if just energetically one of us decides to step down yeah we've we can usually like feel it out pretty well where it's like you know like oh you know actually I don't care that much you take the dibs or something like that yeah and and I would say for the most part like we've always been like on the dot we've never fought over anyone yeah we've never fought over anyone so yeah we have a dib system we have like our you know play party system and then for the most part like it just it feels really natural like talking about these things it's funny because like at home you know we have three floors in our it's like a little condo thing and even if you know i'm on the top floor kimi's on the bottom floor even if i know she's like having sex like in the house i will do everything i can to avoid being at home if i know she's gonna be hookingoking up with someone you guys live together yeah we live together yeah so and that's true yeah like even though she's going to tell you about it later you just don't even want to be in the house yeah i don't even want to hear it i don't know 100 you turn the microphone on and then it's like okay tell me all about how big was his dick and what did he do to you and it probably sounds just like you to be honest it probably sounds the same i know i mean there have been like you know there have been some moments like you know for example i there have been a few times i play parties where it's like you know i walk into a room and like there's nikki and i'm like oh turn around yeah um you know so there's been like those very small moments like that but yeah like at home like we'll just i'll just try to avoid being home yeah or a lot that's why a lot of times like if we're seeing someone we'll just go to their place i'm like it's so much easier if i just go to their house and you know then i don't have to deal with camie at home and so a lot of times that's what we do but yeah but then when we sit down to record like it's not i guess because it's not like we're like in such great detail a lot of times we'll talk about like the overarching themes of you know whatever that experience might be or just like in general but yeah i've noticed twins seem to be sexualized in general right so you guys are young beautiful women uh you're twin sisters that look a lot alike it seems like that's get sexualized in general so i i assume you guys get some pretty rude crude people trying to sexualize you guys that's probably is that normal for you have you dealt with that often from like internet strangers more so yeah you know that comes with the territory um but i feel like and especially at play parties like if it's like a play party where there's a lot of like new people we don't know um we might i will get asked at least once like y'all play together you know and we're like no we shut that shit down pretty quick yeah well so i mean it it happens um we just we and like Thankfully, mean yeah we've had partners where it's it's never that boundary has never been crossed I remember one time I I dated this one guy and he wanted to have a threesome because he knew like you know I was in this community and he was like well let's have a threesome I'm like oh yeah sure I'll find someone he's like well what about like the easy choice and I'm like who and he was like your sister and I thought he was kidding but he was being dead serious and I was like ick I never talked to him again um you know so it's like that's only happened once thankfully like all of our other partners just like respect like okay if i like one can't like the other yeah can't make any sort of and our like our rule where like we don't date the same people is also like retroactive so yeah i don't care if it's been seven years if you dated nikki in the past and you were inside her i want nothing to do with you yeah i immediately look at them as like a brother like anyone that cammy's i don't care how hot they are i immediately am like that is like my buddy my bro it will never i don't even care what their penis looks like it's yeah so it we make it work yeah i mean i just for the most part i think the key is a lot of times we just ignore it you know and it's funny because like we named our podcast double teamed yeah so everyone's like aren't you kind of inviting it in and i'm like no think back to the disney movie of the two twins that played basketball that's what it's based off of not us actually double teaming anyone because we never will yeah so yeah you just yeah.
You just play basketball together. It makes perfect sense. We did. We were horrible. We're just both on the court. Okay. So, in your podcast, what are some of the things you got? You guys talk about everything, right? I think when we were talking, you know, we did the pre-interview with Cammy, right? That's who we talked to? Yes. Okay. Just want to make sure I got that right.
You know, we were talking talking we're comparing podcasts and just kind of talking in general and it's like man you guys basically talk about all the same subjects that we talk about just kind of from a different perspective instead of from a couple's perspective from a you know sister's perspective so i guess over the years what have you guys been surprised about anything or is or some podcast kind of got more viral that you didn't think they would or i mean oh go ahead oh no you go i was gonna say um a lot of times i think a when it comes to like our content at least um i think people like the sister perspective in the sense that like a lot of people at least they make the comment that it seems like they're just kind of like sitting down with us and like hearing us like you know talk amongst each other like you know and so i think they enjoy like our dynamic as sisters and the fact that like you know we're having very like separate you know maybe sometimes similar experiences and like when we sit down and talk about it people kind of feel like they're just there with us um and they like that aspect of it um anything related to like anal or sex parties, I feel like always does really well.
People always have like curiosities about those things. And so anytime we talk about it, I think they're just like naturally very curious because they're both kind of very taboo. Same with kink, you know, like your knife play kink. I talk a lot about my knife play kink. And that always gets a lot of, you know, interest and whatnot. And so that's the content that tends to do really well. I'd say the last like season, for example, you know, after my divorce and Kimmy, you know, kind of exploring relationship, she had like a poly relationship that she explored for a while.
like then we focused a lot on like kind of like our own healing and relationships and we were worried at first because we were, like, you know, we're not as fun as we used to be. Like, I'm not having, you know, four dick appointments a week. Like, I'm not going to a play party every weekend. I was celibate last year for, like, a few months. And so I remember there were times like that I'd'd be like, well, damn, are people going to not want to tune in because we're not as fun?
Especially after my divorce, it took a lot of healing and a lot of exploration to get back to a place where I was feeling more myself again. Surprisingly, people loved that content too. I think they related a lot to it, especially anyone that had been through a divorce or love that content too. And I think they related a lot to it, especially anyone that had been through a divorce or like a really bad breakup. And I think they liked hearing kind of like the introspectiveness of, you know, how to like approach dating again, how to like find yourself after something like that again.
I think at this point we've gotten, at least with our audience or a lot of the audience that has been with us for a really long time they like us like in our dynamic and they like kind of you know the way that we reflect um on everything and kind of applying that to their lives and kind of getting more introspectives with themselves so yeah i would say that's interesting we've felt the same way too here recently that it's like and very similar to you guys like you know we go to parties and events or host events and it'd be like we'd almost feel like a little bit of pressure like oh we have to do something crazy because we have to talk about it on the podcast and if we just go to you know a swingers party and don't fuck anybody like what are we going to talk about you know and there's not that we would ever do that just to talk about it on the podcast but there is kind of like this like you feel it you know there's this internal pressure like lacy's saying to kind of to kind of do that and here i think the last couple months we've kind of stepped back and it's like how you're saying you could do you could talk about cooking and people are just so connected with you as cam and nikki that like they'd be interested in what you ate for dinner tonight you know i mean that i guess that's kind of crazy to think about once you kind of achieve that level that your community is so connected with you.
You could basically talk about whatever you want, and you're probably going to connect or interest people within that community. I'm curious. How long have you all been doing your show? Two and a half. So it will be three in August. Three years in August. Three and a half. Okay, so very similar to August. Love that. Well, that's great.
I think, you know, especially in this space, like, it is it is very important that you know at the end of the day like i never want to do anything for like the wow factor like to have something to talk about as you said i mean there is that pressure but sometimes you know like you know it's been weeks since we've done anything like exciting or whatever and we don't have a guest booked and we're like we just sit down and we're like well let's see what comes up and then we end up talking about like how i find confidence in the middle of a pool club you know by thinking about how everyone takes a shit and that makes me feel confident or you know like it's like random things like that so um or we'll do a q a episode yeah we'll do those are great um did you just say you find confidence in the middle of a pool a pool club like a pool hall like like pool tables explain the story otherwise it's gonna make no sense so basically we were we we did an episode last week we didn't have anything to talk about and i haven't been feeling the most confident these past like three months just because I've had a lot of like emotional things going on.
And, um, we were at a pool, we were at a pool club in Vegas and, you know, like I was in like my little bikini and pants. I was looking cute, but I wasn't, you know, finding, I wasn't finding the confidence that I wanted to in myself. And, you know, there's all these hot girls around me and hot guys. And I'm just like, I'm like, well, shit, like, how, how am I going to feel confident right now? So I just like, I just, you know, sat there while I'm watching. And I was like in the DJ booth. I'm like, okay, a little baller over here. Like, I don't need to worry about anything.
And then I think about it and I'm like, well, you know what? At the end of the day, like every person in this room, like has taken a shit at one point or the other. So it's like, we're all human. We're all human. I can have my confidence in whatever way they can have their own confidence. We all bring our own energy into it. And so we ended up doing like a whole episode about like confidence and, you know, some other healing subjects.
And we're just like, if that's like what this season has been for us the past, like, you know, two, three months, we've just talked about if we don't have a guest and, you know, we're not talking about their non-monogamy journey. We're just like getting introspective about our healing or, you know, how we go through weird times, blah. So, and yeah, I don't, you know, like, for example, like Nikki's been to a few orgies, sex parties. I haven't felt, you know, very called to go recently just because I have not been feeling myself.
But as I feel my confidence coming back, it's like that community is always there and I always want to go back to it and i miss it and so i'll get there so yeah interesting i never would have thought to think about people having a taking shits to make yourself no but it makes sense more confident but it is you know what you're talking about though is body confidence the same thing like things that come up all the time on our podcast. You know, Lacey just went through a BBL surgery and she had lipo. And right now she's dealing with some, what do you call it? Fibrosis. Fibrosis.
And so like we just had an event at Secrets where it's naked pool parties all during the day. So I had to just like suck it up, you know? And so she was worried about her fibrosis on her stomach, you know, doing these parties. And so just like you said, we talk about all this very frankly and honestly like you guys are now. And the amount of people that message and say, oh, my God, I can't believe you worry about those kind of things, you know. And same looking at you and thinking, how is this girl possibly worried about being at a pool party and other beautiful people, you know.
So it is interesting that we're all the same person kind of, you know, we all have the same about something on their body i mean it just is what it is so and it's it's nice to remember that sometimes like when you're walking out and you're a little nervous that like everybody here is worried about something yeah or think about them taking a shit that works either way whatever either way you'll feel a lot better that's one thing that like i that's one thing i love about play parties too and especially like the the non-monogamy community is like you know because i've gone to play parties before we're like maybe i'm not feeling the best confident and it's like i'm in a room full of hot people and everybody's complimenting you everybody's complimenting each other everybody is finding the beauty in everyone and i always love that about play parties because people you know you tell someone like you know oh i went to a play party and they're like oh my god did you like fuck every person in the room what did you do and it's like actually no i went and sat on my friend's lap while he gave me affirmations on how cute i was like you know like that happens you know it really builds confidence and i think i i don't think people really understand that.
Yeah, it does. And you just, you kind of, you know, you see bodies differently when you're surrounded by a bunch of naked people and because you see a lot more of them and it's not, you know, it's not porn where like everyone is like, you know, usually all like done up and, you know, they look great and blah. Like it, they're just very like normal human bodies. And I've taken a lot of partners to like their first play parties, you know, that they've Thank you.
know they look great and blah like it they're just very like normal human bodies and um i i've taken a lot of partners to like their first play parties you know that they've first one that they've ever been to and a lot of them kind of comment on that is that like it feels very like inclusive and like it feels very um what's the word i'm looking for like more normal yeah yeah more more normal more more comfortable than you would think yeah be like naked around a bunch of people and there's something i mean i don't want i kind of want to use the word like uninhibited um but like everybody's just like themselves and just like in the sense of that like they just like show up who they are they're some are naked some are not however they want to do it and it's like that's i think that's like the most beautiful thing about being at a play party is like i've sat in a room before and i'm just you know there's half people are clothed some people are not some people are having sex some people are watching some people are in deep in conversation and i'm just there and it's like what a beautiful like room of energy so 100 all right so you're both single now so two of the most eligible bachelorettes how do you say that in the podcasting realm so what is what's the future you guys are looking for relationships you're open to it what's the ideal relationship if it walked through the door what would that look like for for each of you we actually both have like the same kind of requirement right now or at least like the same idea so i know for me um having i've been in you know monogamous relationship i didn't do so much in like the open space i jumped right into polyamory and then now i'm just kind of of like, I know what I want.
I want a partner where it's mostly monogamous, especially like in the romantic sense. Like I, I've, you know, through my healing, I realized I really need to be able to establish a secure foundation with someone. And if the communication and the security is there, obviously like I am more open open to other experiences and I want a partner who is very open minded to like going to play parties together, you know, threesomes, foursomes, attending orgies together.
I want them to have that, you know, open mindedness to do that with me and explore that with me because it is a lot of fun and I love play parties and I love attending them, even if I don't have sex. Um, and then we have, you know, and then we have our secure foundation. And then later on, if it ends up being something more, you know, if we go, you know, date solo, whatever, while still being together open yeah. Being open. Um, if it progresses to that, sure.
Um, I'm not like opposed to it but i want a partner who can i can establish that foundation with and then have like that those other experiences with as well and it does anything what i heard is you want to be a swinger that's what i just heard no she wants to be emotionally monogamous she wants a primary partner she wants to go to play no i was i was gonna say like it's basically like yeah i want to be a swinger like i i i want the i want i was gonna say i mean i pretty much want the same thing i want something to start off monogamous like i also need to build a foundation and it's funny that i say this because like for the longest time i was dating to start off like open and non-monogamous and then i kind of realized okay maybe i need to I need someone that's going to show me that I can trust them especially with like you know the at least from the experiences that I've had like I need someone to establish that trust and safety and then yeah let's go to some play parties let's have some threesomes let's swing whatever if it does turn more open later on like that's not off the table but I would need a lot of like safety and security for it to be on the table um so it's yeah very similar for me and then that's very similar to dan and i so we started because we were both singles in the swinger lifestyle and we thought we could be like open as we were falling in love and it was a disaster it was terrible and we kind of had to do what y'all are saying that you want us to do from the beginning is we kind of had to stop and like be monogamous for a little bit we had to establish the foundation we had to be like okay there's all these other people that are bringing noise into our relationship and causing disturbance and yeah so we just need to turn tune all that out focus on each other feel figure out where we're at and then we can kind of slowly open back up and set our boundaries where we're comfortable um and it's funny because we get asked all the time like you know would you guys ever date another female or bring in another person to your relationship and stuff like that and i think if you asked us that question three years ago we would said absolutely not like there's no there's no way we're not you know if you go back and listen to some of our early episodes used to say like, oh, keep feelings out of it completely.
We're, you know, we're emotionally monogamous and sexually non-monogamous. You know, that was kind of like what we, you know, if you go back and listen to our early podcast episodes, but really over the last three years, what we've kind of realized is we have friends that we swap with, play with, however you want to say it, that we care about.
Like these are people that have been in our world in in our and we've had been in relationship with them for years at this point and if they got sick or if they died or if their dog died like we would send them flowers we would go help them we would be there to support them and so that's not really emotionally monogamous right yeah these are people that are that gray line is somewhere in between there right yeah and some of those connections with those people we trust we can explore the most with right we can try new things we can be vulnerable with them because like you're saying we've built that trust with with those people um but at the end of the day like we're not at a point where we want to move somebody in our house and and raise kids together or pay bill you know it's just this is kind of our bubble but we we do enjoy those relationships and you know i think now our answer would be like i think we we basically want to stay this way unless but i think we're open like if the right thing just happened and the right person came along and we felt like you know we wanted to include them or they were a good fit for us we might consider that now which is is kind of weird to think about really yeah we definitely embrace the relationships where before we were very much close off to them and i think that's what comes when you know like as you were saying and as you establish that safety and comfort with each other and that security and everything like then you do become a lot more open-minded and i think that's something that like everyone in any kind of relationship should really always pay attention to is that like, the more you make someone feel safe and comfortable, likely the more open-minded they're going to be about a variety of subjects.
You know, cause like we get people all the time that it's like, oh, well, I want to be open, but my partner doesn't want to be, or like, how do I get my partner to agree to a threesome or like how do I get you know and I'm like there's no getting you know someone to do anything but think about how safe do you make them feel you know because like as you build that safety as you build that security they might come around to something like that or feel more like open-minded to it if they feel safe like that's always such a huge factor that I think so many people ignore um but kind of like what you were saying about you know how three years ago things look different three years ago I would have never said that I want to start a relationship off monogamously you know but it's like the things that I've experienced have kind of like shaped me you know differently than I thought they would um or a lot of times you know like I think back to the people that we were three years ago when we started the pod and i hardly recognize that person and so it's it's interesting to have a podcast which basically has recorded all your thoughts and feelings about that journey we joke that it's our therapy yeah oh yeah it is it makes us talk about our feelings and yeah and it's like totally unscripted, really.
We just kind of sit down with the microphones and then whatever happens, happens. So it's pretty awesome. And then people listening to it, it's on YouTube. It's kind of crazy when you really think about it. It's on Spotify, Apple. There's a whole record of it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because. Couldn't erase it if you wanted to, yeah. Especially the ones about gang bangs and all this crazy stuff. Oh, geez, it's out there forever. Yeah. Oh, I know. I hope like, you know, when I'm 50, 60, I'm going to go back and listen to all these episodes.
I'm going to remind myself like, you know, just how. Yeah, that's who I was. You know, how fluid life can be, how things can change over time.
I think the great thing about at least being in the non-monogamy community i've just i've seen so many people like you know and all the different structures and like how they view love or how they view connection and it's just it's beautiful to see um and it's it's cool to be a part of it and then you have to have a podcast like record everything you know all of my experiences in this so it's like yeah when i'm 60 i'm really gonna enjoy listening back yeah yeah and seeing okay so in these last couple minutes um so you guys been doing this for almost three years i guess similar to us where where's all this going what's what's the end plan or what's the the three to five year goals what what are we if we came back and checked in with you two a year or two from now what are we gonna see um we've done live shows i don't know that we'll continue doing live shows but we do want to do like more curated events that's always been a goal like local events like in yep yep in la probably maybe some other cities too the live shows were really fun and i really really loved them but it is a lot of work um so now granted if someone what is that like you just record the podcast live is that yeah like we have an audience yeah with an audience we'll play play like games and stuff yeah they were really fun but like for for us to plan by ourselves it was a lot of logistics so if someone came up to me and was like here's you know 50 grand go do a live show tour here are four people that are going to plan everything for you you don't have to do anything except show up and be yourself i would do that but to host it ourselves is a lot of work so i don't know like i said we want to do more kind of like local events in la um we do have a few projects that we can't name at the moment that are in the works that are in the work projects yep yeah but hopefully they'll all come to hopefully god it's been a long time coming um and they've been this they've only been you know they've been in the works for at least a year yeah both uh yeah both of these projects have been in the works for um a year or so so we hope to see them come to fruition within the next year or so um they will come to fruition yeah they will um i think we'll probably be do doing the podcast for probably through our 30s.
We'll see.
Look, after the pandemic i don't plan shit past like six months however um you know this has turned into like my a lot of my life and so yeah i mean we we love doing it we want to keep doing it i i hope to still be doing it in three to five years i do think like it will will have like a continuous kind of like metamorphosis of the pod just because like we will continue to evolve and and change so like i'm sure the pod will too in a lot of ways especially like the topics or what we talk about etc um but at the end of the day i think we just plan to continue showing up as our authentic selves.
So, yeah. I love it. I love it. All right. So if people are interested in finding you and following you and maybe seeing you talk on video so they can see who's talking, where are the places they need to go to find you guys? Doubleteemedpodcast.com has all relevant links. um you can find us on Instagram at DoubleTeenPodcast at Kami and Nikki. I'm on Twitter at DoubleTeenPod, but that's really just my diary. And then Nikki is on TikTok at DoubleTeenPodcast as well. Yep. Nikki handles most of our social media. I handle our Twitter. I feel your pain, Nikki. I feel your pain.
We can relate right here. Yeah. The DMs are like so full because I hardly ever check them. I'm terrible about it. But I try to do a better job. It's just I, yeah, I want to do a better job.
I like the ones where like people send in like, you know, a digestible amount of backstory and then like a question that i can easily answer like that's all great um but then for the most part like i'm also like editing everything and posting and all that stuff and like that has that's its own animal you know so i'm sure you can relate to that um and then the podcast is on any listening platform and youtube yeah it's on youtube too so all right so go check it out everybody double team podcast um not your average basketball podcast should be there that works yep uh and also we'd love to have you guys on our show sometime please come on yeah i know we're gonna have to fly to la oh okay or where are y'all based again where are y'all based again the south south nashville is the closest city to us so we're going to nashville sometime we'll figure it out but i would love to have y'all on the show yeah thank you thank you that would be a blast we'd appreciate that so uh but thanks go check them out the beautiful twins talking about all things sex and play parties and kink and knife play and who knows what else.
So go check that stuff out. All right, Lacey, anything else for the Swing Nation listeners? No, that's it. All right, anything else for you, beautiful ladies? No, thank you for having us on. Y'all are just a treat. And thanks for listening to us. We talk a lot. We just don't know how to shut the fuck up.
So thank you for having us on y'all of course it's a treat and thanks for listening to us we talk a lot like we just don't know how to shut the fuck up so thank you it's okay no it's quite all right perfect that's perfect all right well i think with that in a world full of apples be the pineapple be the pineapple guys bye that is so cute i love that if you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us leave a five-star review wherever you're listening if you want to see more of our content you can find links to snapchat twitter instagram only fans and more in the show notes come join the conversation with us and other swinger content creators on our swinger society discord server if you questions or feedback, email them to us at theswingnation at gmail.com.
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