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We'll fill them in. So we're here with Amy and April, who are the hosts of the Shameless Sex podcast. And they are coming to us from their studio, which apparently is on a farm. But it's not a farm. Well, there's farm animals running around. There's one chicken. One chicken. There's only one chicken. There was dogs. Yeah, two little dogs, one chicken. I don't know if that's a farm. I mean, it's a chicken. It's a chicken. That's correct. Anyway, they are the hosts of the Shameless Sex podcast, which is a great podcast. They talk about all the sex stuff.
And they're here today to talk about some stuff. Welcome, guys. Hey, we're excited to be here thank you for having us we just recorded with you all and we fell in love we were talking about you while it was downloading we're like these two are badasses so thank you hang out with them in person yeah so yeah you name the day yeah awesome episode of you on our show and the chicken chicken, everyone, by the way, we live in a residential area here. California. But there is a chicken here, and it is our mascot, and her name is Cluck Cluck.
And we were showing them Cluck Cluck earlier, and she's wonderful. That's all. She gives us one egg a day, everyone. One egg a day. We split it. We share it now. Sustainable living. You guys are all over it. We live off of it. Just one egg a day.
Okay day okay so i think we like to start with our listeners because they may or may not have listened to your podcast yet and if they haven't i highly suggest they do but we want to hear just a little bit about yourself so let's start there so amy if you want to go first because i know you guys kind of each have your own thing going on but amy if you want to tell us about yourself and then we'll pass it over to april i was trying to make it this like short nutshell story and i'm really bad at those let me try it still i'm saying you can do it i can do it okay so i'm 38 now my name is amy baldwin uh co-host of shameless sex podcast with my best friend and co uh uh producer collaborator collaborator april here.
Uh, and I wear many hats in the field of sexuality. Um, the short version will be when I was 18, I took a human sexuality class, um, and loved it so much. Not because the teacher was amazing. Actually the professor was like, you're really boring and dry, but because I love learning all about this thing that I was so confused about. I was like, I don't know my body.
I don't't understand other bodies i've had sex with five different people and i still don't get it and um and i don't think i'd had an orgasm yet at that time and uh so i decided if i was going to go to school i would go to school for something that i wanted to keep learning about um that to better myself and maybe also it's just really interesting it's sex so i did that I went to school for psychology and human sexuality, then became a certified sex educator, and then also opened up a sex shop in Santa Cruz with my mom. So a mother-daughter-owned sex shop selling dildos together.
And this is 2008. And April was the first person. And April and I were already BFFs.
But the first, and actually the only friend I've ever hired, ever hired because you know you want to be careful about the friends you hire but she's a she's a badass i saw her work because we met working in a restaurant together and i just saw her work ethic i saw how wonderful she is in working with people and relating to them and just like so accepting and she's like a social savant in my my eyes so she was our first manager uh at pure pleasure uh and we had pure pleasure for 12 years the brick and mortar my mom and i sold it right before the pandemic just like this is we didn't even know we did not predict the pandemic everyone we kept the website so we still have purepleasureshop.com but we sold the brick and mortar actually to good, to Good Vibrations, who was our original inspiration to start.
Very sex positive. It's not like you're- Very cyclical as well. Yeah, it's perfect. Full circle. So we still have the website. But I also went on to become a sex and relationship coach through, not specific, sorry, Sex Somatica. I have training in Hakomi, which is a holistic psychotherapy method. So I'm not a licensed therapist, but I do work with clients privately on their sex and relationship stuff. And April, oh, and I also work for Uber Lube, which is, in my opinion, one of the best lubes in the world. And I thought that before working with them, everyone. Okay.
We'll talk more about that because we're talking about sex toys. But what April, and April, I'll have a lot more to say too. but April and I always knew we would do some sort of passion project together because we had already been traveling all over the country for years. Me repping Uber Lube and her with her, the company, she'll talk about hot octopus and, and we're BFFs and we're amazing. Like, you know, humans that love each other so much. And we're like, we're, we had a past life together. We were like some sort of empress.
I don't know what we did but anyways uh we're from santa cruz a little hippie well she's wisconsin but um so but so we knew we'd do something and um it ended up being shameless sex a podcast and we discovered it by guesting on sex with emily which is the number one sex podcast probably in the world uh we're friends with emily and upon leaving that recording we're like we're going to start one and then we did in 2017 and here we are we have over 350 episodes and i get to hang out with her uh my best friend every week if not more for fun and for work it's awesome yeah it's amazing oh you brought me up so much in your bio you're.
However, your elevator pitch, you know, I hope we have 85 floors to go up because it was long, but I love it. I can never shorten it. I don't know what to say. It's okay. I will say, so I am from the Midwest. So my background was sex and relationships and anything. It was very conservative. And I had no intention of entering the world of sex toys, the world of sexual podcasting about sex and relationships. And I met Amy because I was studying for my LSATs. I was going to be a lawyer, right? I was going to take big corporations to court to punish them for poisoning the environment.
And I have a bachelor's of science in environmental law. And I was studying for the LSATs and waitressing and met Amy when she was like 21. And I'd been to my very first ever, it was like a Burning Man party. I'd never even knew what Burning Man was. And I was describing the party in the back in the kitchen, you know, we worked at this tourist restaurant, this tourist trap. And I was describing this dude had like flogged me with like, um, uh, with like a flogger. Right. And I had never experienced it was consensual. And so I was described because she asked me what I did.
And I was like, well, actually I had the most interesting experience of my life. Uh, this man flogged me. And then there was a stripper pole and I slapped my ass and Amy's face turned bright red. And I was like, Oh my God, did I just offend you? And she said, no, I think I'm in love with you. And then she told me she was going to school for human sexuality and psychology and that she was going to open a sex shop with her mother. And I was like, every sex shop I'd ever been in in Wisconsin was like a sticky floor store, like a truck stop. And I was like, disgusting. Good luck with that.
Have fun. I wish you the best. And she's like, no. It's going to be like a spa. You walk in and you can touch the sex toys. And so I thought it was a pipe dream. And no, it wasn't. Everyone thought it was a pipe dream. When you say you're going to open a sex shop, no one believes you. She did it. And I'd never been in retail, never owned a vibrator. She gave me my very first vibrator. And then I entered into the sex toy realm working in the retail shop. And then I actually was the director of sales for a German company called Fun Factory.
Which is actually the very first sex toy I gave her her that's that company that she ended up working for yeah and now i'm co-owner of hot octopus and then obviously shameless sex which is a passion project sort of like you all passion project that's turned into a real life's purpose and we'll have our book coming out that took us a year and a half to write this write this November of 2023. And Amy, as she said, we're sisters and best friends that actually work. I don't even know anyone else that works as well together. Maybe you two, but we work so well together.
And I'm so grateful not only to be here, but to continue this talk, like this ongoing conversation about sex relationships.
and my life's calling now is helping people change their their world around sex and relationships which is a very complex thing you two just changed my world with the lifestyle so thank you for that oh thank y'all well okay so before so we're we're here to talk about sex toys but before we move on i think kind of what uh amy just touched on i i need to know the story behind how you start a sex toy store with your mom like how i mean yeah you must have had an open child like how did that like how did that even happen we love you janice baldwin janice my mom hey mom uh so i grew up in santa cruz california so a little more progressive than a other places.
Although not everyone here is progressive, believe me, we've got plenty of people that are not. But, um, so my upbringing with my mom, uh, was sex was never shameful. You know, she knew that I was going to be a sexually active person at some point, but in years before I was, uh, she said, whenever you want to start having sex, you can come to me and get on birth control. Um, I'd actually rather you do it in our home so that you're in a safe place. And so you're like, oh, you know, so I was allowed. So I, so that's what happened. I actually was like, mom, I'm ready to have penetrative sex.
You know, I'd like probably sucked a number of dicks before that, but, uh, you know, so, but I, but you know, when it came to penetrative sex, I went to her and said, I'm ready to get a birth a birth control um so i got birth control and like could have boyfriends in my room at 16 and 17 it was not like you know you can't you can't do this like i because if i wasn't allowed to do it there i was gonna do it somewhere else okay so and um and or and and like you know we still do i use condoms i'm not sure because i think whatever that's different i believe in condoms, but I'm a 16.
And so like, yeah, probably not, probably not, but I was on birth control. But anyways, so I had that with her. Um, so yeah, so sex was never this thing that was like, you shouldn't do it. You got to wait to a certain point. Uh, it's bad or wrong. And, and, uh, and then my dad just kind of didn't care. Like my dad, there's a blessing and a curse. He just kind of just didn't give a fuck about being a dad much. So like if I had boyfriends, he like, he, he didn't really care about meeting them. He wasn't like that. So it was kind of nice.
Cause I could like do what I want, but also I really, I have daddy issues cause I wanted a present dad. So different story, but so much just, I think that would, that's wise. My mom and I, uh, we, while we weren't talking about pleasure, I was taught very much about the safety around sex and that sex isn't bad or shameful. And then through that, the idea of me going to human sexuality field and then I'm the one that went to her and said, we should open a sex shop in Santa Cruz. It's a very educational base. We did weekly classes for years.
She was looking for a project, in the travel she was a travel agent and she wanted to kind of yeah that was dying yeah right the internet and uh and so she wanted to go yeah do she wanted a business that really helped to benefit women in some some sort and uh so so this was this is what i presented we should open a sex shop and but like a pleasure boutique it's not like pink and fluffy and just for women you know it's for no arcades in the back where dudes are jerking off and you're like no but it but it was for everyone and you know and we were all educators working there so like such as april and we had weekly classes from educators from all over the country and uh yeah it just it just worked really naturally i'm so lucky like my my two business partners the people i've ever gone into creating a business with was my mom and april and it's the best situation you could possibly ask for oh chip oh i'm sorry crying now is that is that it sounds like a good name of a book right yeah how i opened a sex shop with my mom and my best friend there is a podcast called sex talk with my mom yeah yeah it's not mine that's awesome though okay well that's i had to get that out of the way um first of all okay so uh i guess so we're here to talk about sex toys that was kind of when we talked to you you were like man we could talk about anything and then you you know you had mentioned some of the sex toy stuff so i think that's kind of where we want to focus this but i guess you said you opened a sex shop with your mom but I don't even know how how does one get in the sex toy industry like how do you even approach that I mean I guess from what I know about the sex toy industry it's mostly like you know you go online and you google some stuff and you find some stuff and they mail it to you in like a discreet box so how do you how do you even like think to approach that industry well it's okay so I knew So I knew nothing about this industry.
And if you're a buyer, a retailer, which Amy brought me to these trade shows to help her select products and to party a little because she's like, you're my bestie. We're going to go. And my mom doesn't really want to go, but she would come then sometimes too. And it's really a very relationship driven industry. And I've worked all over the world now teaching people about sex toys, doing trainings all over the world before shameless sex existed for two different companies.
And I will say it's, it's not something that you can, you could probably maybe fill out an application online for, but it really is something that you have to have a drive for. So some folks come from the retail floor. They'll come, they'll work at like a hustler store or a pure pleasure, or one of the stores maybe in your local town. And then they'll, they'll have a trainer come in and maybe they see the, the light in their eyes for something more and bigger. Um, and then it goes to working for a manufacturer or opening your own store.
And I think the sex education piece has become much more common place to expect folks that are in the sex industry to have an education behind what you're doing because you're talking about the body. You're talking about people's very intimate moments. And I remember feeling when I worked at Peer Pleasure, I remember feeling sometimes like I was a therapist and I wasn't qualified because I was like, I've never had anal sex. How do I talk about this with this dude? That's clearly like four times my age. Maybe not. But at the time I was in my mid twenties.
However, I would just Google things and then look at the books that were, we had sex ed classes too had sex ed classes too but that was like once a week but I would like look at I would google wasn't even as as as formidable as it is now but it was I would read the books and then learn about and also Amy didn't make us but we were encouraged to watch the educational instructional videos on instructional porn yes porn that wasn't yes and so I would recommend these different avenues and I think like really if you have a passion for teaching people about their bodies a lot of nurses make the switch a lot of nurses are in the sex toy industry um that's really what it comes from like really having a drive to help people care about the sex that they're having and sex toys are a huge part now of my sex life life.
And I know they're a huge part of Amy's sex life. And I don't know what I would do without them. I don't know what, what my sex life might not only have sex with myself, but sex with my partner would be like, or partners have passed. My very first orgasm. So like this, I actually am just kind of putting this together. This may have helped me to open a sex shop. So like I said, I had sex with five different people by age like, you know, 18 or something and never had an orgasm. PIV sex. PIV sex. Yeah. And the first three never went down on me and I never asked them to because I didn't know.
Like I was taught about the safety stuff, which I was taught in school and by my parents or my mom. And then I was taught it's not shameful. But no one told me about pleasure. Like how you have an orgasm. How you masturbate. It was, like how you have an orgasm, how you masturbate. Oh, it was like pregnancy prevention and like how not to get an STI. Comprehensive sex education, but you don't talk about pleasure. So I had to find out through trial and error with a lot of air. And so I'm like, everyone says this sex stuff feels great, but there's this thing called an orgasm. I know it exists.
I'm reading it in books. And so I actually had my first orgasm. I was in a relationship at that time too. By my, I went and bought a vibrator, a little like pocket rocket rocket and use it by myself and had an orgasm and squirted at the same time. And I was like, and I was like, holy shit, I did it. Did you think something was wrong with you? Or did you know?
Because I already knew what squirting was because I was already i'd already taken a human sexuality class like i was already like somewhat on that path but not fully in it um and so i think for me to to like be really passionate like i'm not saying everyone needs to use sex toys but people who say like why would you need that we should just be able to do it with our cocks and hands and vulvas or whatever. I think it's just kind of limiting and bullshit. Um, and it doesn't, so anyways, that probably helped.
Like I was already opened up to like using a sex toy, had my first orgasm and squirted and then started incorporating it. That's huge. Yeah. And then start using it in couples play and partner play.
And I had never, I had never orgasmedmed from a sex toy but i was masturbating since i was five on my teddy bear five so i didn't even know her name was barry yes her name was barry she had a dress and it was plaid you fell in love with the first person that made you come is what that's what you're saying yeah yeah i did with the toy yeah yeah i actually yes i did i I fell in love with it it's been a part of your life ever since I was I've switched up though I have new lovers my newest lover is made of air pulse technology by different companies particularly womanizer a satisfier terrible terrible names but we can't get really attached to vibrators I will say I'm attached to my magic wand that I've had since I worked at Pure Pleasure in 2009.
I think I got it in 2009, 2008. Your magic wand? Is it the plug-in one? Oh, it's my favorite. I have like two of them. Oh, yeah. I have three. I have the plug-in. Well, I need to get the other one. But I have the plug-in under my bed. It doesn't even get unplugged. And then I have the mini one for travel because you don't have one for travel. The plug-in, I have an extension. Cause I'm like, they did not make this cord long enough. I have an extension cord attached to it. I'm like, okay, but that's my special treat because I can orgasm so fast from the intensity of that.
But we've talked about it on our show. So many times we get people emailing us saying that it hurts them. And I'm like, I'm so sorry.
It's so intense because it's's not you gotta build up to it yes now i'm like i need it to be harder yeah me too yeah i love having sex with it he won't we don't do it every time we have we have sex because if we did like i wouldn't want regular sex because it's that good like i like it's like a special treat like yeah it's like will you fuck me you know like yeah and she's like will you fuck me with the wand and it's like okay yeah tonight's the night we'll do that tonight we do it a few times it's almost guarantee ejaculation for me so that's why it's because i have the rechargeable and the plug-in one is guaranteed ejaculation like i know that it will happen so i have my fascinator throw which because because i don't want to change it everyone it's a squirt blanket it's easy it's sexy looking it feels good and then because i but it is a special treat well the interesting thing about the magic wand so because we're talking about sex toys it's an external toy if y'all don't know about it it's like a you know once an external toy but you know mostly most squirting toys are internal toys they're rubbing against or around the g-spot g area but the magic wand or wand style vibrators are so powerful the way it rumbles the outside of your your clitoris that i like my thought is that it's actually still stimulating inside the g-spot g area around the it gets the legs it gets the legs like the erectile tissue just starts and then you can squirt you could some people like april or a lot of people can squirt from from that product so so just one last thing i'll shut the fuck up for a second but i hear what you're saying about not using sex toys all the time so and and one of so one of my favorite toys is uh like i said the womanizer or satisfier the brands but it's air pulse technology so it's this thing that feels like a light suction while while vibrating.
And I like it number one, because it doesn't overstimulate me and I can have orgasm after orgasm after orgasm. And one thing I love to do is have sex with or without the vibrator doesn't matter.
But when my partner comes and they're still inside of me, then I put the vibrator on and then i get the motherfucking last gangster badass orgasm and it's i don't know what it is about like i don't know if it's because there's come inside of me because of the experience we just had because the cock is still inside of me but like that orgasm right there and that's like my partner's stoked like yeah you get that last orgasm oh that's hot i've never thought about that i don't think we've ever think we've ever done it after it came. Yeah, you got to try it. Yeah, we're trying it.
We'll report back. Okay, so I got to circle back a little bit. Okay, so you own a sex shop, and when they send you sex toys, it comes with porn? Is that what I heard? No, it's an instruction manual, Dan.
No, no, there's different things so our sex shop so sex shops are curated to for for their inventory so some will be like a porn store uh i mean with some sex stories some will have everything so what we are what we were and we are still are online is a sex positive adults are meaning that we don't shame anyone for their sexuality as long as it's consensual uh we only carry high quality non-toxic products there's still a lot of toxic products in the market because they're not regulated by the fda so there's there are like rubber jelly things that will give you a rash if you put it or use it on your pussy um we didn't carry any of those the the brand april works for hot octopus doesn't is is only high quality silicone brand i own amy sorry oh i keep forgetting that she always said that the brand we work for I'm like oh guess what surprise yes yes so but we did choose to sell some porn but it's not a hot seller anymore because of the internet so you know if we had a sex shop with that if you looked at all the walls the porn section was very small and we ordered we would sell some that were instructional so it teach you how to have anal sex, how to have, give a blow job, how to do positions, sex positions.
That was also in 2008 and nine. So because the shop was open, I only worked there for about a year and a half or two years. And then you did slowly get rid of a lot of the DVDs. But we always carried instructional because sometimes people wanted to learn. We're visual learners, right?
So we don't, we, we, April andil and i we love porn not as a teacher it is not to teach you about sex but these dvds that we're talking about yeah dvds everyone said dvds they were instructional and pornographic so it's like hot porn while learning how to do something safely consensually and in a really hot way okay but in the sex toy industry that's not not all of the toys that get shipped to sellers come with an instructional video no they can they can have like our video we have we have instructional videos that are separate but usually they're for the staff to help them know how to sell the product to a consumer but you're talking to a lot of folks that are shopping in the sex shops they are and and this is not to down like to degrade I'll see you think globally, different countries, you have to, you can't use a lot of words.
So it has to be a lot of positioning or, and the information that, that a lot of companies provide, especially the high end sex toy brands, they're mostly about positions in the way to use products, is important because couples toys it can get confusing especially if there's penis and vagina a couple toys that you're working with two different you know that or anal or anal toys or masturbators for penis owners i mean all of them yeah and so you'll get like you'll get might get like an instructional image like a 30 second video that shows you like a little how-to but it's not like the full-on yeah thing yeah i did it's just something something i never thought i never thought about educating the sales team at a sex toy store so that they could then tell you know instruct the people that are coming to buy the product that's that's our job it's an interesting dynamic sex toys have come a long way though if you think about just i don't know the last time in're in a sex shop if it's been in the last 10 years it's very different from from before uh 2013 because like last week right there's a lot of things that look like you're in a brooks like a brookstone or a brooks yeah they're like high-end massagers and things that look gorgeous like they're a piece of artwork that you could lay out on your bookshelf and i think that releases some of the shame that can be involved in buying sex toys like when i started at pure pleasure i thought that they were going to be veiny fleshy phalluses that i that were going to like be scary and huge i didn't understand that sex toys could have a range of function and then they've just evolved.
Like sex tech is so huge now. And the stuff that you can do with from your phone to your partner. Hey, yeah, there's Bluetooth technology now. It's really nice. Okay. I think now I think what we're gonna do is we're gonna take a little break and hear from the partners and sponsors of our podcast.
And then when we get back, I want to talk specifically about some of the talk, the the toys that you guys recommend and then maybe dive a little bit into the hot octopus and talk some some of uh some more about uh april's uh experience with that so uh with that we'll be right back guys okay we here at the swing nation podcast are proud to partner with promessant Listen guys we've all been there you're having a hot night with a hot chick maybe a few hot chicks but you need to kind of delay the time before you pull that trigger that's where promessant comes in they have this awesome product called the delay spray you literally spray it on and it delays the time that you orgasm so you can make sure that your partner is well taken care of and as swingers we're all about making sure our partners are well taken care of and promescent delay spray is the perfect product for that click the link in the show notes below to get yours today anxiety can cause ed like the kind you get while watching your partner with someone else.
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Make sure you join the Swing Nation SDC group and send us a message all right guys welcome back welcome back we're still here with amy and april talking all things sex toys all right so i want to learn a little bit more about a hot octopus and we touched a little bit on this before the break because i went to the hot octopus page and looked at it and uh you know we're talking about sex toy education and there were things on there I'm like I don't know does that go on a penis does that go is that a smart watch that's attached to that thing like it didn't like I'd never seen anything like some of the things that were on this hot octopus website so can you talk a little bit about hot octopus and what that is and how you got that?
I don't even know if you guys started, but how you came to be part of that company? Absolutely. Uh, so I want to also, I'm going to ask you a question as a penis owning human, uh, Dan in a, in a moment, uh, because I was doing the interview. It's important. And I will say, so Hot Octopus, we launched our first product in 2013. And there's two founders, Adam Lewis and Julia Margo. They're both from London, England. I'm the only American human that works at the company. So everyone's got a sexy British accent all the time. And I'm like, damn it.
And it started for the love of wanking because, and my question is, is going to be soon, Dan, my, my boss, they hate when I call them bosses because I am a partner in the business. I became a partner this year after five, no, six years of like pushing for the brand and knowing that it was such an amazing, amazing company. And we finally launched when they have 12 products because everything we, we make is so curated and so specific and we test it on humans and it's intentional and it's high quality and it's powerful. So if you like power, it's great.
But it started because, uh, Adam loved wanking and he loved frenulum stimulation. So this is where my question comes in, Dan. So have you masturbated? Thank you. it started because, uh, Adam loved wanking and he loved frenulum stimulation. So this is where my question comes in, Dan. So have you masturbated? Most days. Okay. All right. So when you masturbate, you know, you have your shaft, right. And then you have the head of the penis, you know where the frenulum is, right? It's kind of that underneath that, that like, almost we have our lingual frenulum.
That's like attaching our tongue, that webbing. So that is what I like to call because of where the nerve endings are. There's like 4,000 nerve endings in the penis head. That's like the clitoris of the penis, the frenulum. So Adam, he loved masturbating and he loved frenulum stimulation. He loved that. Like, so he would rig up his wife's vibrating bullet, a sock and a motherfucking rubber band. Wow. So he could masturbate cause he wanted, he didn't want to stroke. He was like, I don't understand stroking. Like I want to feel a motor. I want to feel something on the frenulum.
So he went over to sex shops all over Europe and this is in the early two thousands. Couldn't find anything that was for a dude's cock. That was a guy braider, something that could masturbate him without there was, there were of course sleeves. There were things that the fleshlights, there were the things that you can manually use. Nothing that was like the vulva people that own vulvas have a ton of options. If you have a G spot, you have to go in and you have thousands of toys to choose from dudes. They go into a sex shop.
You're like this avatar vagina or i get it's real some or i get some cock rings i don't really that doesn't help me masturbate so adam saw a real a real like need and he didn't know if he was he never talked to his friends about it he thought he was maybe that he was different wait did he do some hot tub jets too yeah well that was, that was when he was younger. He used to stick his cock in his grandparents, hot jets, jets of the, the hot tub. Like probably on the frenulum. That's exactly on the frenulum. So he would love that. That's where it started when he was like seven.
So, um, and he's totally comfortable with me telling this story because I've told it before. Um, so that all said, he finally found a company, the only company in the world in the early 2000s that was making something for the frenulum for penile frenulum stimulation i'm going to speak very medically to you right now was a company of denmark making toys that they were not making they're making medical products this thing called the furticare that used this pulse plate technology and you put it on your frenulum and it like kind of like went this like a piston, like a brah. Yeah. Like a thumper.
Like a thumper. And you'd put it on the frenulum of the penis. People that had spinal cord injuries, people that had no use of their cocks at all, people that had, that wanted to have children could actually have involuntary ejaculation and or orgasm with this technology. And they tested this oscillation at different amplitudes. And he came across all this science and he bought one of these. It's like 2000, 2000 euros. It's still available. You can still buy it now is not 2000 years.
And with her, the company that she's talking about, we licensed, well, we licensed technology from this company. So I don't want to get you lost because it's a lot of information, but we license the tech. So there's nothing else like the hot octopus pulse plate technology. We license that from this Danish medical device company. And no matter who you are, if you're a cock owner out there, uh, it can help you have multiple orgasms. It can help you have, uh, hands-free masturbation. It can help. You can use it as a stroker. It can help you have an erection. It can help you ejaculate.
And because, because he designed it so it can clamp onto your cock, doesn't clamp. It just sits. Um, you can use it totally hands-free statically. And that's where we were born 2013. Our pulse solo was born.
And now we have 12 different products and some are for vulvas and we have an anal toy but we did stem out of science and and i love that story because the inclusivity piece is so big with the products that we make any penis owner can masturbate with our toys and it doesn't look like a vulva or a vagina or an avatar or an avatar's vagina or if you want that those are out there if you ejaculate inside avatar vagina you don't like yeah Thank you.
or a vagina or an avatar or an avatar's vagina or if you want that there those are out there if you have to google avatar vagina yeah and there's couples we have one that incorporates a couple so you can use vulva with penis so it's a foreplay toy because think about what's the most important part of of a sexual experience anal foreplay exactly lacy the foreplay yeah because it's about blood flow and usually vulva owners take about four times as long to warm up than penis owners so you can use this product to have some foreplay blood flow because there's a vibrating part and there's the oscillating pulse plate part so both bodies can kind of rub and grind at each other in different positions get the blood flowing the cock can get can get hard.
Or if it doesn't, you can still, you can still orgasm without ejaculating. Did you know that? Now you do. Wow. I didn't know that. So, you know, as a penis owner, I've always been jealous of, of, um, all the toys that, that girls have, like, you know, I mean, all these different vibrators and things.
And like you said, G spot and the wand and you know lacy's tried to like hold the wand to my dick and stuff and i'm like i don't know like yeah it feels good but it doesn't really do anything and it's just not so that's fascinating to me that there's there's something out there from from for males so lots of things we have so many different i'm gonna send you i have to send you out something you'll have to send me your address after the show's over because i'll send you a little kit and you can try out our products because there is nothing else people have we have testimonials thousands deep that are that are like this is the best orgasm i've ever had there's nothing else like this orgasm from a pulse toy it's it's incredible the other thing i want to say just about about sex toys there with what april's saying so like you know the solo the hot octopus pulse solo well it sounds like it's a masturbation toy for a penis owner to use on their own it can be great for a couple's stuff because like first couples play you know sometimes maybe i don't want to play anymore but you still want an orgasm so you can use that and i can watch you and that's going to be really hot or you can use that i.
I use my vibrator and we watch each other or you, so there's like, they, they don't just have to be these like solo masturbation things. We can take any sex toy and make it a couple's experience for, for fun, pleasure. We have one with Bluetooth tech now that you can have one toy that goes inside of you. If you have a, if you have a vagina and then our product sits on your cock and you can operate it from thousands of miles away or next to each other with your phone and be like, yo, I am fucking you right now. And it connects to a bunch of, of content.
So if you want to fuck your favorite porn star has like 4,000 different videos. Um, if you want to get wild in the metaverse when it goes live, no, it's live, but that's there for you. So, and that's the interactive part of that can be really cool because what if, what if you're going through a breakup or what if you're, what if you want to get into swinging, but you want to make sure the longevity is there. What if your partner is on a work trip in Australia for three months and you want to still want to have sex with them from afar and now you can't. Yeah.
I don't think we talked about this yet.
So I the military after 21 years uh in june so it's officially out in the military and there's been several several times thank you there's been several times where we were apart for weeks or months or you know um and then before lacy even years away from my partner and you know some of this bluetooth technology and stuff is is you know it's great uh and we haven't used too much of it but you know we see it now but but yet like you said there was never anything for the guy right so it's like yeah i could play on my phone and control lacy but there was never a reciprocal um device so hearing that there's something out there that does both um that's pretty interesting and then it's funny you mentioned the metaverse and i don't know i guess we could we could go down the long probably rabbit hole with all that but like you like, you know, because you guys are in the industry, the future of sex toys, I would imagine that's a big part of that.
What conversations are happening about it, right, is people able to interact online and with these like 3D goggles and stuff that they have now. I mean, there's got to be a whole Oculus 4212. Yeah, exactly. It's yeah. I mean, there's the talks.
Well, the things that are really happening with actual like sex dolls but they're not dolls they're like ai like ai we're going in a direction that is far beyond what is just like oh here's a thing that i'm going to use in my body and there's like so much more that is going it's just going to keep on evolving so we're going to have sex with robots is that what i'm hearing if you want to at some point yeah that will be a thing yeah yeah my dad's probably candidate for that i would tell you that much that's a good idea that's what i'm saying but they're like 12 grand so we should buy my dad one too he's married but my my mom would be happy to have her join the family i would be totally fine with it i'd be like dad this is a consenting robot because you purchased it i still feel bad for the robot i'm sorry i know it doesn't have a conscience better consciousness we're not going down that rabbit hole we're a robot okay anyways uh can i just say what what you're probably going to ask us this but i just just want to say one thing because I just said something like, I feel bad for the robot.
A lot of people have, in couples, especially they're threatened by sex toys, right? Like, so if I want to bring in a sex toy into the relationship and my partner's like, why would you need that? You know, like, what's wrong with me? Or, you know, like, why can't you orgasm this way? And a lot of the work that April and I do on shameless sex is to really debunk that because so my, my, even though we love vibrators, our vibrators cannot snuggle us, make out with us, tell us we're beautiful, that they love us, you know, go for long walks on the beach, cook us dinner and, and, or whatever.
I can't cook it at dinner because it doesn't eat. So like, you know, it's not going to replace you.
And we talk about sex toys in couples as a bonus it's an additional thing to help enhance and add more pleasure and if you have if you're ever afraid to have a conversation with the partner about wanting to add a sex toy that's how you describe that's how you talk about it not like we're broken and your dick doesn't work or your pussy doesn't work it's i love having sex with you we have good sex we have great sex and i want to enhance that and have even like the the world like april says the world's our oyster so we can have so many things that we can try a lot of people say that by the way what are well no you said well no you said that i did i said that we were recording i did not coin that i did not tm no i know she said this we're recording with you on our show but anyway so i think that this is an important thing to consider because that comes up for a lot of people is like, how do I ask for the sex tour with my partner?
Or if you are feeling that insecurity of, you know, what if they get addicted to it? I'm not enough. You don't, your body doesn't get addicted to a vibrator. Your mind might, but you can undo that. You just stop using it as often or like what you all do, you know, special occasions. But yeah.
Also, if you think about it from the foreplay stance like lacy you had mentioned foreplay is so important and if dudes out there don't recognize that even if you're in short-term or long-term partnerships foreplay is so important especially for folks that own vaginas because oh fuck yeah i need a lot of that you can't just go straight to the switchboard and start fucking thracking you have have to make sure there's, there's some, there's some sort of, I mean, I need blood flow before you're going to start doing things. You got to warm up my whole body to get the blood.
Sometimes can get, that can get a little, like a little bit, um, monotonous, I think for folks, at least that we've talked to, especially in long-term relationships and you, y'all at the swing swing nation probably because you go out to lifestyle parties and stuff maybe the blood is flowing already however if you're at home and you want to get that blood flowing and there's no there's no uh you know other folks to see or hang out with then the toys can help too i've seen a lot of women a lot of women bring their toys into the sex clubs.
Like if they know they need, um, that stimulation to come, they'll have like a small one that they bring with them. And it's very common. I'm always shocked that people that ask that question, they're like, do you use sex toys? Is that allowed? Like even in our bedroom or at parties? I'm like, of course it's allowed. I forget that other people don't have it as good as we do that don't communicate and don't talk about those things. I forget that. Yeah, it is interesting. And I always, you know, appreciate that. Right.
Cause you know, me and Lacey engage with, you know, because we're swingers, we engage with a lot of people that we're not familiar with. Right. And I think everybody's body is a little different, especially, you know, everybody needs different stimulation for orgasm, whether it's external or internal. But I always enjoy that when, you know, we are with a couple and the female is like, hey, I brought my toy just so you know. And I usually need this for clitoral stimulation for me in order for me to orgasm, right?
Because at least I know that and I'm not like trying if i do something wrong with me right i'm down there like going to town like you know my tongue's about to fall off and i'm like damn it i must not be doing something right because but you know if she tells me that ahead of time then i know and it's like oh hey why don't you grab your toy let's do this and then 82 to 84 percent of vulva owners need external stimulation to actually have an orgasm you can learn how to have an internal orgasm but it's it's far not it's a lot it's a lot rarer than you think and you can learn how to orgasm from all kinds of ways right like an armpit or she had an armpit i've had an armpit orgasm before yeah it's not from that which you said but no i've like we yeah it's it's infinite and it can take time work and also a lot of like safety and respect but i like what you're saying you know like someone informing you you instead of you being like, let me just try to figure this out.
And so like, yeah, I mean, I'd be that person at a sex party. I'd be like, here's my vibrator. And I also want men to know out there, like if there's dudes out there that are like you at a, at a party and someone brings a vibrator, like nine times out of 10, a lot of like women need external stimulation. I know I do.
and it's awesome when i have an internal orgasm like from just penetration alone but it's rare it's not the rule it's the exception so i'm pretty sure most of my internal orgasms are still even if it's just with a cock it's still involving some sort of stimulation my clitoral structure which is not just i need a finger in the ass at least sometimes she likes a good finger in the ass but like the clitoral structure is really big i mean it's not just like what meets the eye right it's it's a wishbone it has you know the head the neck and legs and so when i'm having internal orgasm except for when i have cervical orgasms and those are like unicorns very like the mysterious witchy like yeah like the 15 minute what the fuck that was going on and i could orgasm forever.
15 minutes, wow. Oh, yeah, or it feels like it's infinite. But I can't, I've yet to master the art of how to do that regularly. But otherwise, even with penetration, my clitoral structure is somehow still being stimulated. But that's me, and that works well. And I don't need to know what it is. Is it a G-spot? Is it clitoris? Wait, last part before, everybody's genitals are like their fingerprints.
There are there are no two alike so remember if you're hooking up with one person the same situation the same sex toy the same position the same thing might not be effective on that human it depends because no cocks are like no vulvas like no in in betweens are like not all assholes are like april's asshole not all assholes are like mine okay there's so many people googling uh cervix orgasm right now yeah i'm curious if i had my phone on me i would have already googled it but i was like cervical yeah cervical orgasms yeah yeah so so it's cervical orgasm is just so it's not like pounding in the cervix because no one really likes it that does not feel good but it's when you're having this like deeply internal stimulation on the anterior wall generally around the cervix area uh and you already so much it's like a prostate orgasm like you need to be so it's so deep inside of you you need to be so relaxed and feel really safe and turn the fuck on to be in there and i'll probably really connect it with the person that you're engaging with or if it's with yourself but it's it's something that like can uh because i my belief is because it's so deep inside of you just like a prostate orgasm it can lead to these like mind-blowing witchy transformational orgasms where you're like was that 20 different orgasms or one like 15 minute orgasm I feel like I could just do that for the rest of my life, but I know I need to stop.
Yeah. When Lacey does that, I call that an exorcism. Yeah. Yeah. She's releasing some demons there. That was the hysteria. Remember back in the day? Yeah. Yeah. You can't plan those.
It just happens when it's supposed to happen yeah i feel the same way yeah okay so all right so we i don't know we keep getting off track yeah but no so talking to swingers all right so our our demographic here on this podcast is going to be either swingers or people that are curious or are learning about swinging um are there certain are there certain toys, like if you were going to go and I don't, I know you, one of you said you've gone to some sex parties and stuff like that. What kind of toys, um, are good for that type of environment?
I, I honestly, I, my personal belief as someone who's been to sex parties, I've, the ones I've been to, I've seen all the toys there.
And so there is so like, and to me, it's like whatever whatever floats your boat right like yeah as long as it's consensual it's all good and pleasure is pleasure so uh you know if you want to bring the baseball bat magic wand there then you do you gotta find an outlet though that might yeah so maybe get the rechargeable or yeah or the mini the mini yeah the mini the vim yeah the fun factory made a new one called the vim which is really awesome but i mean it just depends on what you want to do you know like are you are you wanting no i'm putting it in my phone i'm putting it in my phone we have a coupon for you yeah we'll give you the special discount for that one uh so uh yeah so it i really i don't think that there's like one like a rule like they don't all have to be small or quiet you know whatever makes you come yeah whatever gets you off so you're saying bring your favorite yeah or your favorites but there are certain toys that are maybe work better with bodies like bodies on top of each other right so ones that contour the body or are smaller so like fun factory makes a brand thing something called the lia spot digit well yeah yes but the lia the lia or leia spot whatever it is so or it curves on the body so a vulva owner can actually so it's just external can actually hold it kind of on their their pubic bone pubic area and then it hits the clitoris another body can be on top of them or they could be on their belly and then the digit yes so there's two things that come up for me now i am going to tell you that from my own perspective i'm at third party so i haven't attended any sex parties however remember we just recorded with you all earlier not yet you're changing no you have changed i was telling amy i'm like they've changed my whole.
Cause I feel there's like a safer feeling now about going to sex parties. I always just thought there's like an obligation to have sex with someone else. And, and even though we've done 350 plus episodes and we've interviewed other swingers, I felt like I never had a real idea and I've never judged it. I thought swinging is awesome from the beginning, from the get, like from jump from before I even knew about it. But what I would think, and I actually have, um, business contacts that are in, they do, uh, the cruises.
They actually are hosts of the cruises, the swinger cruises, and they buy a ton of the digit, which is a finger vibe, um, that slips on to your finger and it's ergonomic and it's powerful because and i can speak from firsthand you can use that for a fellatio like if you're giving a blow job you can use that to to stimulate the shaft the balls the taint aka the perineum but also it's an external like you can use it as a clitoral vibe and that'sgrade silicone. It won't smell ever. You can just, you know, wash with some soap and water and go on to your next, like, experience.
And also, I'm a huge fan of cock rings, wearable cock rings. I designed one for Hot Octopus called the Atom Plus. A-T-O-M. A-T-O-M.
And it is so, it's by far, I, it's been out for many years now, and i have had so many people tell me how incredible it is because when i worked at peer pleasure i was obsessed with cock rings because i like or can you explain to me a cock so i've wore cock ring i don't really get what they do like i really don't understand what the point of of a cock ring is like okay so what kind of have you used non-vibrating or vibrating or both have you ever used i think i've used both and i just don't get it i'm gonna carry it a whole package so i'll do just the actual original use in april we'll do this actual sex toy part of it so like the original intention of a cock ring is to be worn around the cock and the balls so the whole package and what it does is it constricts blood flow you don't want to off blood flow, but it constricts the blood flow so that you keep more blood in your cock for a harder, firmer cock.
All right. So the original purpose is to keep your heart on longer or exactly. But now we have a bunch of things. Does it keep you from coming? No. Does it make you last longer too? Yes. No, that was never an intention. Longevity. It can.
so yes so one thing about uh orgasm one one fun trick not related to cock rings is if you feel like you're about to come this is for penis owners if you take your balls and you kind of pull down on them it will prevent you from coming only while you're pulling the balls down you might already know this um but because what happens when you're about to come is your balls get tucked in your body and they're like, and then like, well, there it goes. And like, that's how I know my partner's going, I'm like, well, your balls just went way up inside of you.
So a cock ring can actually kind of pull them away a little bit. So in a way that kind of can keep, keep that longevity going. And so, so dudes out there, men, whatever you want to call them penis owners. Okay.
I like to say dudes because i think it's awesome sounding um so that that like your your genitals you have the perineum which is that taint like people call the gooch on the east coast i don't know what they call it in the south maybe lacy knows but i don't know some people call it the nacho not your balls nacho ass but it's your spot between your asshole and your think it's like the tank. The nether region. It's called the perineum. That's the term for it. So that area is actually a really erogenous, untapped zone for a lot of folks out there. And so what the Atom Plus does...
So Amy was talking about cock rings that don't vibrate. You can slip them on. Some are metal. Those can be a little bit dangerous. You have to be a bit more of an expert or intermediate. Yes. Expert intermediate wearer, meaning you have to get measured in size. So the stretchier, the better if you're a beginner to any cock rings. Now vibrating cock rings, the reason that they're so incredible is because they can incorporate vulvas into the vibration and you can make your cock its own vibrator as you're penetrating an ass, a vagina. So the atom plus you slip it on when you're flaccid.
So it would be good to put it on before you go into a party, put your each testicle in first, you put on horizontally and then you stick the rest of your shaft in when it's all, when it's soft, you can fit up to five inches of girth of girthy cock into this thing when you're soft, when you're flaccid. And then after that, you, you turn it to be a different direction. And, um, when you see the vertical, when you see it, you'll see, and then the outside, which was my recommendation has a nub for clitoral stimulation and texture because clitoris is love texture and they love pressure.
So it's got two motors. So you get perineum stimulation, you get testicle stimulation and your shaft and head become its own vibrator. So when you're penetrating someone and they're grinding on you or, or they're, if you're, if you're not just doing the pump one, two, one, two, and you're actually grinding, um, on top, it's like instant motherfucking orgasm. Not the best for jackhammering basically.
Well, it still could work for jackhammering but not for the vulva owners they barely get a little teaser of the vibrations where it's like you want to grind on it but you still get the vibration and also it will help you last longer because it constricts blood flow the way it is but it's still stretchy so it has two motors that stretch so you're getting all of the things that you want and you could use it solo too if you wanted to put like that on your so cock rings and then so like basically cock rings can be used for uh keeping the cock hard harder and maybe more blood flow longer and maybe lasting a little longer and or for adding vibrations and more stimulation for you and your partner and or they can be separate things but, but those are the primary purposes.
Which if you need vibration, which Lacey mentioned loving vibration, and you've talked about other folks, this is kind of the, it's not, nothing is one size fits all because remember everybody's generals are different.
However, this can incorporate pleasure for anybody playing because you're going to feel the stimulation of this cock ring and the person that's that's actually giving the penetration and that is wearing the cock ring can also feel all the vibration so it's kind of a win-win maybe win if you're at a party that's really i got it i'm turned on so it's like it's like a it's like a cyborg dick it's like you got like a like a mechanical cyborg like it's enhancement yeah exactly i don't know if that made sense no totally enhancement we're all about enhancement over here okay i think i don't even know how we got on that but okay so bring your favorite toy i think what i learned from all that is bring your favorite toy to to the sex club yeah and i want to can i ask you a question so when you guys go to the swinger parties do people show up because the ones i've been to they're not swinger parties or sex parties but people show up with full bags and like there's also a dungeon too so like i mean i so when you ask that question like people show up with bags all kinds of stuff sometimes yeah like a gym bag or a backpack we have a backpack we usually don't have that when we have a couple like a couple little things now i will say another thing that is popular though is like strap-ons or like double-ended dildo like a lot of girl girl stuff or someone that likes to be bent over if there's a penis yeah and you can wear it yeah to each their own whatever you want whatever you want to do put it as long as your bag is big enough to fit it bring it on in yeah i totally i don't know if you have any experience with double-ended dildos but that's that's more difficult than you And we just had one of those the other day.
I just did it the other day. It's not. It's hard to think. Was it this? Yeah, I totally agree. I don't know if you have any experience with double-ended dildos, but that's more difficult than you would – we just had one of those the other day. I just did it the other day. And it's not – it's hard to think. Was it the straight one? I've done it a few times. The straight one, yeah. Yeah, it was the straight one. I've done it quite a few times. I feel like sometimes I get just the right amount and I can like even cum just on that just because it's so hot.
Wait, are you using it with another – so there's another woman? Another woman, yeah, okay, got it.
But then sometimes I feel like maybe I get too much and i'm like oh i can only do this for just a few seconds so it just kind of depends on kind of how it's harder i think that's more of a thing men like to see to be honest with you than like a pleasure thing because it's it's a little bit harder than um than it looks i prefer if a woman's gonna fuck me just with a strap on would be are there guys getting pegged at these parties ever i don't i don't think i've ever seen that but now they're it's at larger events they will have like a bisexual room and so i'm assuming in rooms like that that happens oh it's definitely happening at Yeah, it's happening.
Without going on a tangent, there is a stigma surrounding bisexual men in the lifestyle. I think it's just not as – it is common. It's just there's still kind of a stigma. So you don't see a lot of public bi-male play. There is a lot of bi-males. I'm talking about a woman wearing a scrum on fucking a dude. You still don't see that either. You don't see it. Yeah, you don't see it. Probably a similar stigma. It might not be bi males, but obviously you could be a straight male and like being pegged. But I think still that same stigma is surrounding that kind of point.
It's a little more like a heteronormative environment. It is.
It is more of a heteronormative, except for females because bi females, they they celebrate that and that's one of the stigmas that we are you know try we we talk about it a lot that it's something we want to change and uh there's quite a few um you know influencers and stuff that are part of our circles that have come out as bisexual men and it's something that we talked more about and and even like lacy said uh some event organizers are like making safe spaces for that type of play for people that might be uncomfortable doing it in a completely open public playroom.
They're making specific places for that play where they can go and maybe feel a little more comfortable doing that kind of stuff. So I think we're headed in the right direction.
but yeah it sounds like it and remember yeah you said this dan just because you get pegged and especially if if there's double-ended dildos that are designed for a woman pegging a dude right and that in her pussy you don't have to be as straight as they are and you can get pegged and that does not make you bisexual it doesn't make you gay and that's a stigma that your orientation is not about the behavior it's about the people you like having sex exactly exactly yeah but i feel you so i've never used one of those double-ended dildos you're talking about lacy but i could imagine like because you can't control it you know silicone is very different than a homegrown cock homegrown cock has a lot more room to give and the other person who owns it hopefully can feel like your body and what what they're doing and the silicone just kind of slamming into you and this other woman yeah it's probably like there's less control over that it is yeah we've we've found with that double-ended dildo it's best if you put um somebody in the middle holding it um and let them kind of help control it and it's even hot if so if i hold it and there's two girls on either side and i essentially like would master like me jerking off my dick but instead of going up and down it i'm just moving both the dicks so you can kind of both at the same time and that's pretty hot it's a hot thing to try i don't know that i'm really using it like a ton for pleasure but it's totally hot to try it's kind of like one of those things to check off your bucket list i will say it's the guy holding the dick if you get a good and they're both coming like that's pretty hot yeah it doesn't get much better yeah that's like a unicorn situation right there yeah it is it is yeah uh not in the lifestyle see in the lifestyle you come to these parties and events if that's something you want to try or explore you just say hey oh you know it'd be hot i'd really like to try to get with a double-ended dildo by somebody and i guarantee you 100 people will be like i will help you with that that's not as rare but the two people coming at the same time would be very fucking rare that would be amazing yeah that would be yeah i agree that's the unicorn yeah yeah that is i think we have that on tape somewhere probably i think we might have that on tape somewhere but anyway it can happen yeah uh all right i think we're running out of time i feel like we could talk about all this stuff yeah i feel like we went down several tangents wait can we say one last thing though yeah absolutely yeah for sure you know everyone and yes we forgot we forgot yeah we just we just have to comment on this because a lot of people so it's one of our favorite things to talk about and teach and we won't make it super long we always say that we have no format i mean we could go an hour and a half on our podcast.
We don't care. We just want to make sure we touch on it because we're really passionate about talking about anal because it's the universal orifice. Everyone has one. A lot of people are doing it or are interested in it and a lot of people had terrible experiences with it or afraid of it. And what April and I are really passionate about is teaching people about how to have really pleasurable, safe anal sex because we've both had badass orgasms from anal sex, but we learned how to do a lot of learning to, to do it in a way that felt really good for our bodies.
So it's not just like, you know, you fuck me in the ass and I'm just going to like lay here, you know? So, so you, I just wanted to say this to people. Number one, pleasurable anal is possible for everyone.
And maybe if you have hemorrhoids or like, you know, the various things that make, that changes things, but no matter who you are, your gender, your orientation, your genitals, if you have an ass and you're out, you don't have a pain, other painful issues in your ass, you can have really amazing anal sex with fingers, mouths, sex toys, toys and and homegrown cocks and it does not lubricate itself you always add lube always always please don't even touch an asshole without lube or like some saliva on your finger but like lube and again we're diehard fans of uber lube over here it's like just yeah phenomenal silicone lube you have to throw that in the package oh yeah well oh we're sending you that too don't worry you're getting all these never go ass to that no ass to that yeah and then and just on the sex toy world we won't go i don't need to talk about this much but there's so many anal toys out there when all anal toys need to have a flange almost like a pacifier like the little base because your ass keeps on going whereas the pussy the vagina has a stopper called a cervix um and so and so you want to have the base.
And so if you go to anal section and store a sex shop, they'll all have a base, I believe, I hope so. Um, but don't put like your little tiny vibrating bullet in an ass cause it could disappear, uh, and go to the hospital that happens. But, uh, but what there, there's a lot of really great toys out there to enhance anal pleasure, either for that to be its own experience, you know, having that vibrating butt plug in or just the butt plug that gives you this feeling of fullness.
And now you're having penetrated vaginal sex and now it's tighter in in the pussy area and easier access to the G-spot. Or you're using an anal plug to relax the ass so you can move to full anal penetration. There's anal beads. There's so many things that you can do.
If you're not, you're curious about anal play at least on our podcast we have so many episodes on an anal august is right around the corner we love anal august so we always have episodes about anal play and anal toys then uh but i you know if anyone's curious about that and or have had bad experiences with it know that a lot of pleasure is possible with anal sex yeah i would say that's probably an area me and lacy are neither one of us are huge fans of and probably not something we've really explored too much not yet not yet maybe there's maybe more look at she's no i'll have anal sex i will you just have a really big cock babe i'm sorry it just is what it is i let other people have i let other people have some of our friends have had more anal sex with Lacey than I have that's that's an actual fact well I mean I'm sorry it just is what it is I let other people have I let other people have anal sex Some of our friends have had more anal sex with Lacey than I have That's an actual fact I'm sorry It's like sorry not sorry It just is what it is I don't know what to tell you babe You can't change that That's fine but you can always Fingers, mouths Also a toy in bum uh while you're receiving penetrative like sex oh yeah is awesome yeah and that's one way that i love yeah like a vibrating butt plug and that like the plex with flex that hot octopus makes it's got a 360 it can go 360 uh pivoting head so it's got a the the neck of it is really small you're, if you're in a, an experience, a sexual experience, and you're moving around a lot, it's incredible because it's ergonomic and it fits in your body really nicely.
And it has a remote if you want to get really weird about it. One last thing I just will say about the big old, big old dick over there, damn, damn, Dan's big old dick with anal sex.
You know, to take in a huge dick and your ass can be a lot but that but see what i did there uh because you have multiple there's different sphincter muscles multiple rounds of sphincter well two of them um but you don't you can just play with just the tip in the ass while like stroking the cock and you're still kind of having anal sex it's when you go all the way in that you're hitting the more difficult parts that are trying to open up. So this is just something you can, you don't have to do this, y'all, but like anal sex doesn't have to be full on in. I'm okay with that.
Let me put the tip in. You can put the tip in. Only to the point when you're like, nope, that's already too much. Just lube it up. And just like with oral sex, I don't have to put your whole cock in my mouth. I can just focus on the head and then use a lot of lube on my hand on your shaft if I want to. And just don't use fruit or anything like bottles or anything like that. Everyone listening out there, because we know some doctors, they saw some things.
Yes, PR doctors that tell us very interesting slash scary stories about things that are found in people's intestinal tracts that go through their anal canal, the external and We're ending on a great note right now. Yes, we are, but it can be sexy. I absolutely adore anal sex, and anal august is right around the corner. Okay. So, April and Amy, if people want to hear more about all of these things and your frank and honest conversations about sex and sex toys and fruit in your butt, where can they find you guys?
So, Shameless Sex Podcast is anywhere you listen to podcasts and completely free we're on anywhere i i mean from whatever you think of about where podcasts are found spotify all the things yeah i mean if you don't know then you could just google shameless sex podcast and you will find it if you just google shameless sex you'll see a lot of porn but shameless shameless sex podcast, you will not. And I do that sometimes. I'm like, shameless out. Uh, and we also have all of our social handles from Tik TOK to Instagram to, uh, I guess Facebook.
We don't really do much with, um, that is shameless sex podcast. And now thread as well. We talked about, um, is a new, is a new one. And I think that's a competition to Elon Musk. Ooh. Hey, the Twitter competition. And we also have just shameless sex.com. You can go there and find us there. And we have a book coming out, everyone. November 14th. Yeah. November 23. We were called shameless. Yeah. It'll come out. There'll also be an audio version of that.
So whenever you're listening, it takes all of our most heated and wonderful sex questions like people like the deepest like most passionate sex questions that we've received and they all pretty much have the general same categories and so we take all of those and have our the experts that we've interviewed we've had so many experts in the six years we've been out uh and took the best of the best and put it all together in a book for but it well and it's curated to help you figure out who you are as a sexual being you're a unique sexual being it's not just like here's our podcast episode no no no it's not at all it has a special formula to help you figure out who you want to be who you are or how to have a better sex it's gonna be fucking awesome and that's exciting okay we'll send you a signed copy but in the meantime we'll send you the toys and loop thank you congratulations on that we'll sign it with our vulvas okay i will accept that i will accept it well we we guys we know you guys are busy and we really appreciate you taking i mean we've been i think we've been hanging out for like two and a half hours or now we're huge fans obviously and I hope hope we get to continue this relationship and maybe do this again or definitely if you guys you know want to come out to a party and hang out and we're gonna be in Orlando and Nashville and we're going to Houston and we're gonna be in few places.
So you're more than welcome to come to any of those and we can hook you up with that. And hopefully we get to continue this relationship because I don't think there's not a lot of voices out there just talking about sex, I think, in the way that we are. Like unapologetically. Yeah, just this is what it is and this is why we like it and this is the good, the bad, the ugly and everything in between.
And so it's nice to connect with you guys and we really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us oh thank you a pleasure being here with both of you thank you thank you awesome okay well i think with that lacy in a world full of apples be the pineapple be the pineapple guys bye if you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us leave a five-star review wherever you're listening if you want to see more of our content you can find links to snapchat twitter instagram only fans and more in the show notes come join the conversation with us and other swinger content creators on our swinger society discord server if you have or feedback, email them to us at theswingnation at gmail.com.
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