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Come with us and share our pineapple journey as we travel the globe, interview the experts, learn and grow together join the nation hey there pineapple people and welcome to the swing nation podcast we are your hosts northern guy and southern girl and now we're down here at secrets hideaway resort in Kissimmee Florida we're sitting here with the party mark and if you don't know Mark if you've been the secrets you probably definitely do or you know or some of the other places but if you don't know him he hosts naked naked pool parties for living that's his job so normally the way we roll here is when we we have people on we we'd like to start with what what their story is kind of some of their background, how they got in the lifestyle.
I know we've been talking kind of through the weekend about that with you, and you have a very, very unique story. So we'd love to hear that. Anything you're willing to share and tell the world out there about. Excited for this? Yes, I'm excited. Where to start? Just kidding. I mean, first of all, I've been doing what I've been doing as far as running events now for seven and a half, eight years. That's awesome. It fell into my lap, I guess you could say, just doing me and just trying to figure out. Yeah, I've got crazy energy and, you know, comes down to doing the pool stuff and whatnot.
Just I had asked one day if I could do a pool. No, I'll explain the whole story. Okay, here we go. We've got plenty of time. Cool, cool. How to start? I was previously married as well. But I also grew up in a very suppressed background as far as it goes. Religious, but it was just more of my parents never really talked about sex at all. That was kind of – Yeah, I think a lot of people can relate to that.
That's kind of how it was just more of uh my parents never really talked about sex at all that was kind of yeah i think a lot of people can relate kind of how it was um and so i found out through friends pretty much the way it worked out as far as like you know going high school and this and that and uh you know it come down to i got married pretty young i was 22 and trying to figure out how to make it work out with, uh, you know, with my wife and the, and the situation and this and that, and, and both of us being very suppressed and things and, um, just trying to figure out what's okay and what's not, you know, cause society says one thing a lot of the time or church or this or that, but, um, you know, we were just trying to figure out what made us happy together.
and um you know she was um very explosive when i okay how to explain this she was very suppressed but also interested in exploring her bisexuality and all this and all of that but as well as women especially younger if you grew up in a in a home where uh especially female sexuality is completely suppressed. It's the whole preacher's daughter. Then it comes down to girls feeling like they're not okay, not good enough. Or when it comes down to sex, like is this okay, taboo? And so that's kind of like my situation when I come down to that.
So I was trying everything in my power to make my wife happy. And it wasn't that I had a hard time pleasing her in the bedroom. We had a great sex, all that. But when it come down to, she always felt guilty about different things, about feeling pleasure, feeling good. And so that was one of those things of, you know, it was rough. I'll be honest with you. It was extremely rough because, um, I didn't understand why she didn't want to have sex regularly. And so, um, that was always a weird thing for me. So I tried, you know, implementing toys and things and, and just kind of fell into her a lot.
We're just exploring kind of things and found out that she was interested in, in, you know, a woman and how that would be in this and that. So it just kind of progressed from there, just different situations. And it was never kind of a push on my side. It was kind of like, let's just explore this together and see where it goes. Uh, that was 15 years ago. That was a long time ago. Um, but yeah. So I'm assuming so that at some point it turned into adding additional people to the bedroom. Well, yeah, it was it was interesting. We went to a strip club.
It was just kind of like, you know, exploring just different things, you know, and it was it was her. We were actually in Seattle, Washington, just random. It was a random trip. My mom watched her kids and we went and it's kind of from there. from there, you know, it was, we had talked about things beforehand, but never done really anything. And she got a lap dance there and we kind of sat in the back and watched. Somebody's at your house. Oh, it's someone. I know. Anyway. So, but, um, yeah, I mean, that was kind of how, how it is.
Uh, it's crazy how long ago that was, but I mean, for me, lifestyle, uh, I had no clue what that even was or a swinger the problem is a swinger it was this bad notation i always got away from the word swinger right uh swinger when people think swinger they think of porn and a bunch of old people having party yes exactly and it never looks appetite you know it's like one of those things like oh that's how that like you just fuck random people no that's not you know it's not how it is um and so from there just kind of you know led from this to that and uh so did you you've discovered one of the apps like how did you figure this was a thing and this was a community uh shoot we were so we had a move in hawaii before that we exploring, you know, we were in Vegas regularly and this and that, and, uh, had young kids and we moved to Hawaii and try to figure out that there, we went to the nude beach and this and met a lot of females that, I mean, it wasn't hard finding single females to hang out with and have a good time with, but it was always, you know, just trying to figure and and of course experiences are always gonna be interesting yeah because everyone has different boundaries and mindsets and uh what they think you know like just single females in general and that one we had a lot of um it wasn't crash and burn but it was uh experiences that sometimes the girls would want a lot more than just a good time with someone they're like oh well now we're a thing right on the regular and not getting between my you know my relationship um you know i mean yeah because that should always be first uh singles are great if you can understand you know you got the moment the dynamic of that can can be difficult Like you're saying, like, you know, it's fun to bring somebody in and have fun with them.
But everybody has to understand that that's what it's for. Absolutely. And if somebody starts getting attached and wanting more, then it can be, you know. So I was a single female. We met, I don't know if you know this, but we met on SLS. Gotcha. He was a single guy.
And I had the problem where if I would go and meet couples that they would want to like date me like they want to own me no exactly i hear that all the time it's crazy so i can relate on that level you know and that's interesting enough because everyone has different expectations when it comes down to it um the ownership you're in a committed relationship yeah so it comes down it's always interesting when that happens i think a lot of couples that get really uh excited aggressive i think is probably the word i'm just excited because exactly they're like oh my goodness you know and then they want to like hide you uh meanwhile if you've been experienced in it that's not what you want you want to be free and have more experiences and that's the reason why um and nothing on those that want to do polyamory or just that like if you i mean to teach their own what works for you uh i've just been around this for a long time and seen dynamics of what really works versus what you know i mean at the end of the day you should make your partner happy you partner happy and stay committed to the relationship you have.
Yeah, I think that's what a lot of people don't understand, especially for me and Lacey. Swinging has always been like, how can we enhance our relationship, right? What are our fantasies? What do we want to do? And how can we explore those things? And not so much about, I'm trying to replace something or I'm trying to bring somebody else in because there's something missing.
A lot of people have that, like, oh, you must be swingers you said you're like because you can't please your wife in the bed yeah we get that all the time like on tiktok it's like he must not please you like all the time you know it's interesting healthy sex life now it's interesting i live in vegas uh i'm around you know lifestyle if you will and i also go to nightclubs and we see nightclubs people just randomly hook up with randos for the night right one night stand uh everyone hooks up different ways i guess you could say uh i'd much rather be in a situation where you know you talk something over with your partner right you know it's a fun play experience yeah uh you could talk about it For, you know, for, you know, exactly.
And so, and so, um, you know, it's weird when people shame about it. I think more of the shame happens when people are jealous or they don't understand. And that's just, just where it's at.
I mean, uh, not everyone can do what we do, but I think if you have the mindset of, you know, what, I mean, jealousy is interesting having the little thing last night uh where you guys were talking uh that happens to everyone uh if you don't set rules and boundaries yeah then things are gonna get crossed yeah and that's it with anything you know yeah it's funny our last episode or well i don't know if it's our last one now but one of the ones we did was on red flags and it's to me it's almost a red flag when a couple you were talking to a couple and they're like oh we never get jealous and it's like you never get yeah or we don't have any rules yeah when you hear certain things like that yeah and i've seen it before where you know if if you're getting into swinging because you have problems at home i'll be honest with you it sticks out like no you can see it from and me these events.
If I see that you are not stable in your relationship, there's no way in hell I'm going to bring you on the side of the pool to do absolute anything. Cause I don't want to create a shit show where all of a sudden I got to roll something back in. Cause something goes, you know, South or sideways. Uh, it's always asking permission on both, you know, just making sure that everyone's comfortable and good.
Cause you know, at the end of the day, for what I do, I want people to connect and have a good time and at the end if they leave happier together as a couple then i did my job yeah absolutely you know but how many rooms i've been in over the past i mean it's insane i'm uh well marriage counselors well i don't know i don't have no degree for that but but as far as it goes but as far as it goes i've sat in so many rooms with people that are way older than me or even younger and just had to kind of break it down. I'm like, listen, what's the deal? What's going on?
Why are you guys not communicating worth shit? I do because I care. Because at the end of the day, I want people to be happy. I want them to have successful relationships. You want a couple to have a good experience, especially when they're new to the lifestyle. Because otherwise, it puts a bad taste in it. You could have one bad experience and ruin the whole, never want to do this again. I look at it interesting. Of course, you have different terminology, self-swap, full-swap, and all this.
When we got started and everything, if it wasn't for people taking it slow on us, I don't know if I'd be where I'm at right now. So when there's couples and they say, oh, I'm full swap, full swap. No, no, what the fuck? No, like take the time. People are ready to jump in the deep end if they feel comfortable and you talk over things and make them feel comfortable.
If you don't talk about rules and just go at it, no matter what, something go wrong we say that all the time even after doing this for years like if we meet a couple organically and don't pause and do those conversations it always ends weird it always ends so we we mess up even now i mean yeah well i think you know and you probably know more you don't have a lot of experiences in this party scenario when Hedo, places like Secrets, you know, you don't always go through the progression of meeting online, chatting, having a conversation. You know what I mean?
So it can almost be an expedited pursuit of a couple. Yeah, and it all depends. I think people, when they come here, like I work at a bunch of different resorts. I work at Hedonism 2 in Jamaica. I work here at Secrets um and i do cruise ships and whatnot uh people on vacation tend to looking for the outlet of partying if they can't do it at home you know if they have jobs where our kids or this or that like they don't play or they don't they don't do this at all at home or or maybe it's you know uh religion or whatever they can't do it at home.
So they come here, they're kind of eyeing the prize. They kind of come in with the mindset, no, we're going to have an experience. We're going to have fun together, which of course that changes things. And if you're at home on one of the websites, it might be a little more difficult. It might be a little more difficult to sell the deal or have an experience. People might just want to meet up for drinks and see where it goes just because it's home. Yeah. You know? Yeah. You know? Yeah. It might be a little more difficult.
It might be a little more difficult to seal the deal or have an experience. People might just want to meet up for drinks and see where it goes just because it's home. Yeah. You know, you don't want to shit where you eat. And so, you know, that's, it all depends on where you live in bigger places. Of course, it's not as, you know, if you're a little smaller rural town somewhere, you know, yeah. Very, you know, yeah.
And so I meet that all the time and people, I think in the end, if you had the mindset when you come into a place like this, that you go home better with your partner, regardless if you hook up with anyone or anything like this, there's plenty of things to see and that'll get you turned on and talk about those things.
But if your expectations are not, Oh, we want to fuck five couples this weekend or want want to find a single female that's the one thing i hear all the time oh we're looking for our unicorn i know and it's like you know understanding when it comes down and i know there's plenty of single females and males out there that are looking you know to have a good time with a couple or looking for extra more um no expectation there's no reason for it yeah because you're going to find out when you don't have those expectations just yourself and you're having a good time and listen you're going to find people you want to hang out with regardless yeah yeah we kind of felt that way when we went to hedo we felt like the first two or three days we're like oh my god we got to do this we got it you know and then like we finally looked at each other like no we're just here to have fun so yeah we're just here and if we only fuck each other and that's a good fucking time so he's saying that now i'm gonna side a little bit it's kind of funny so when it comes down to coming in the heater right yeah everyone on the first day it's like the first day of school they're in their best dress and they're looking nice and clean shaven and they have that face with trying to impress they come down to wednesday people normally normally are heated from like a saturday to saturday for a full week um and so when it comes down to it everyone has a different face now i always can tell who the problem makers are by tuesday wednesday at this wall where all of a sudden they're like you know i don't get care anymore i've seen what's here and here I am.
Especially couples that have problems in their own relationships because that always comes out. Yeah. And they might come in guns of flaring, guns of blaring, whatever you want to say when they come in, you know, try to act like they're perfect, try to act like they're happy together, but eventually it comes out. So if you're not stable in your own relationship and you don't have a good relationship, you probably don't want become a shit show in front of everyone else. And so, and so I always say secure stuff beforehand, because if not, you're going to look pretty foolish. Yeah.
You know, I mean, you're going to put out full display. If you have issues at home, swinging or the lifestyle is not for you at the moment.
You know, if you're trying to fix your relationship by fucking others it never works it doesn't work out um if you're cheating and you feel like that's the way to to make things better nah it's not going to work out for you because although the person that's really interesting i've seen this so many times the one that's been the one out there and trying to get then all of a sudden when the other partner is the one that also of a sudden has, then all of a sudden the other one's like, well, what the hell? It's like, no, you wanted this for us, right? The key word for us. Yeah, exactly.
And I've seen that before where the guys are kind of the ones pushing the envelope, even girls sometimes, but guys will push the envelope. And then all of a sudden when their girl actually gets with someone else, they lose their shit. It's like, no, I want to eat the buffet, but I don't want you eating the buffet. I want to go back for seconds and thirds, and I want you to just sit there and watch me. That's not going to go well for you overall. So how did Mark transition from exploring the lifestyle with his ex-wife to now running naked pool parties? How did he transition?
No, so, I mean, a lot of things. I mean, anyway. Shoot. And then the wrap-up quick answer of 15 years. No. Well, we got another 45 minutes. You're all good. You don't have to do a quick answer. I know, exactly. I mean, explaining the whole thing and the way things panned out, we were just trying to figure out what made us happy together. That got into – we did a lot of – I mean, we lived in Hawaii for three years. During that time, we were trying to find other ways to explore sexuality.
Also, my ex-wife had a – as far as a view of herself just low self-esteem you know and if i had other women or other men tell her she looked pretty it meant a lot more to her than if i said it yeah we say that all the time so we talk about that yeah for her and that whole thing i was trying to figure out what would make her happy in that whole thing it was being a husband to try to do my best to make her happy with what you know and and i realized when women or men commented on her it didn't mean we had to do anything sexual with them at all it made her more confident made her feel sexy it also made it so we actually had sex yeah it turned her on i'm looking good yeah you know?
And so, and so for us, you know, and, and exploring different things, it was interesting. So here's, it's kind of funny. I don't really ever talk about this, but here we roll. Yeah. No, we were on adult friend finder. It's crazy. We were on adult friend finder, just trying to find others like mindedness.
And this was 15 years ago 16 years ago it was a long while ago um 16 years ago anyway uh we got on it was interesting so we decided to get on the online webcam thing on there to say hey we're real we live in hawaii if you're coming to visit you know we're real and you know the profile pictures you see are us you know because a lot of time people think they're fake and this and that and we were just shocked at how many people came in to watch us clothed we were not fucking or doing anything sexual or even showing anything and it actually gave my wife a hell lot of confidence yeah and like you know for me it's like wow you know like this is awesome you know because the way I view her, the way was what everyone else was saying, but she didn't have the same view for herself because of the way that she was raised and very suppressed with her mother and everything.
So it was one of those things I'm like, this is awesome. I like that she's happy, you know, and, and how to explore this. Well, that, you know, led to situations where all of a sudden, you know, we met people and she wanted she wanted to, it was always, you know, a lot of people start with the whole girls thing. Yeah. You know? Yeah. When I'm a threesome or this and that, like for me, it's like, you know, I just want to watch my girls, you know, I want her happy. Yeah.
It's not that I cannot, like, I can please her plenty, but if this makes her feel confident and sexy, I'll tell you, any guy wants that. Yeah.
Us guys are simple or we're easy i'm gonna say that we are because when it comes down to the end of the day when you're in a relationship you want your girl to feel pretty happy sexy because that only makes us be happy and feel good about us oh yeah if your girl is not confident and sexy it'll it takes an effect on the guys and so i tried really hard so it was interesting that led to more and more stuff yeah and uh in hawaii it's very difficult because those that are in the military don't really want to hang out with those that are outside the military especially on a small island so our pickings were very slim besides the females that we met either the the local ones that live there or the ones that were visiting and traveling it so we had a lot of girlfriends that were on island for a process of time three years we lived there yeah just different girls you know and and each one there was different experiences that we had where they wanted more than we could give them yeah kind of got the point where we had to kind of wind back and say no this is this all we can give you right you're not gonna be a third to us it's not going to happen.
Because I didn't want my wife to feel any less of or, you know, so from there, I mean, so it was interesting. Then we met other people in Hawaii that did webcam and porn and stuff like that. That transitioned the whole phase because all of a sudden now we've got a webcam. Now it's like a webcam. And this is 15 years ago. Yeah.
14 years ago 14 years ago yeah anyway so we got on this what you know and it got all set up i did my research checked out a bunch of the different webcam things i'm like this will be fun we'll do this together figure this out so excited about it you know i got the kids to bed yeah i'm like this is amazing really and i'm behind the camera with cue cards to help help her in the. I wouldn't say exactly dry erase board and all this. I'm naked behind so she could visualize other people when they weren't, you know, because they would take, you know, private or exclusive.
And, you know, just trying to make her feel sexy and happy. I realized how excited it made her feel when others recognized her. They're like, people are paying $9.99. Like, people are paying money right now per minute to watch and just talk to me this is really strange and so from that it took off and uh we're making I mean it wasn't about the money but we were making money having sexual fun time together right you know so um but yeah so from that sorry let me take care of that. Anyway, so from that, it was like, well, this is cool. Like, you know, this is our fun.
We put the kids to bed at night and we have our little sexual fun. We weren't fucking anyone else. We're just doing our thing together. And I got a point where I would come on as well and we would do stuff together, you know, and that was a big riot. People, I mean, more people want to watch that, you know, and then, uh, next thing you know, we had girls who'd come over and, you know, threesomes and girl, girl and this and that. And, and of course that's everyone's fantasy.
So it was, you know, blew up like no other and kind of, we were newer as far as webcam, webcam was pretty new at that point. Right. Right. So you were on the front wave of that. Exactly. And, exactly and uh you know we're just trying to figure us out it wasn't about the money i mean we moved to hawaii i have a weird past history i was a gambler for you know i got kicked out of vegas for counting cards oh wow and bought a house in hawaii to get over there to start over and was 26. I was trying to figure out life to the new. Now what? Now what? Yeah, sure.
Got a bunch of money and now what, you know, and we're just trying to, you know, get away from all the other stuff and figure out us, you know, trying to get close, you know, young, too young, young kids. And yeah. So yeah, just process of different things that we tried and that led us to being asked by mainstream porn producers to shoot. Now, it was kind of funny because all of us with our backgrounds, we don't want anyone to know family. This is our little private life that we had. And we could block out certain areas of the country that we didn't know. We can relate to that.
We can relate to all the stories. We can relate to that. We didn't want anyone to see us that would judge us that was close to us because once again, we started this together. This is what we decided to do as a couple, as a married couple, committed married couple, what would work out. So, um, but I mean, so anyway, then we ended up moving to Vegas after living in Hawaii for three years and, uh, got asked by, you know, a bunch of porn companies again, hey, you know, I want you to shoot. So finally we said, you know what, we're in this together. We've done so much already.
We're comfortable, confident. As long as we can kind of call the shots as far as how this will go, we're good. And that's kind of how it all from there took off. That's awesome. And next thing you know, we're doing, doing that. Um, and we didn't, as far as porn goes, we were very selective as far as what we did. Cause we didn't have to, we weren't doing it for the money. Uh, we got paid, but we weren't, it wasn't like we were pressed and we had to spread it for anyone in this and that. Like we were very selective. Right.
Um, which I'm thankful for because if not track history and that all follows you, you're like, oh my goodness. And so, um, but I mean, do I regret that? The answer is actually no. Like I was going to ask, like you did porn and this and that, like what you do now, what's your preference? Uh, porn was interesting. It was an interesting time. I don't shun anyone that does it or into it.
That's your own just make sure you're completely open with your partner and listen not only with your ears but with your i mean everything that's going on yeah because uh it can it can get out of hand as well but um but anyway we were from there i mean it led to other stuff you know we were hosting penthouse sweet parties in las vegas for politicians professional athletes businessmen people that could not go out to a club and find people or couldn't get on a website and take the crapshoot of meeting someone and having to go south when all of a sudden they have professional jobs that they would get outed if they were to find out.
Because lifestyle is – it's interesting to see over the years of how much it's changed where people are accepting of it yeah at first when i started it it wasn't that way it was you're cheating on your wife or you know like just the way or your husband the way they looked at was completely different nowadays it's a lot more socially acceptable in the sense that it's talked about more through media where people are a little more open-minded like oh threesome yeah how about that you know what i mean like at least the conversations there but when when i said it wasn't it was so taboo you know swinger lifestyle and so i mean right you don't really hear lifestyle lifestyle is a term that i i've pushed so hard because lifestyle is just being open-minded yeah in the environment and figure out what works for you and your own relationship so i love that you said that politicians athletes oh yeah everybody everyone yeah like it's all walks of life you it's interesting and reading the news it's kind of funny you hear like an mba you know yeah certain ones like they come out where it's like oh they're an open relationship like that's not taboo like that's them like they're figuring themselves out like if that's what they want to do like why are we judging right yeah you know i don't you probably haven't listened to our podcast but you know, the reason we got on TikTok, the reason we really started this podcast was for that reason is there's a whole community of swingers out there more than I think most people realize.
And the fact that in, in 2022, they're still worried if they get outed, they could get fired from their, their job. They're still worried that if they get outed, could lose custody of their children yeah you know and you see these other communities you know lgbtq and all these other communities that have kind of like bonded together and been able to to advance you know like be protected from that kind of you know scrutiny yeah do you think our community is headed in that direction do you think that's the direction we should even be pushing for like what are that?
I think there's always going to be a group that wants to be hidden. Okay, but true. I think it's interesting to see, like, once again, over the years of how much things have changed. People want to be happy. I think during the, you know, it's interesting, the pandemic also has changed a whole lot. People sitting home and people thinking about their lives and their career or their livelihood. like just, just how to be happy. Oh, well, bored, bored, but how to be happy. You know?
Um, I think there's been a lot of relationships that have actually failed during COVID during the pandemic, just because when you're sitting around with that other person and you're trying to figure out, wow, wow. You know, before we worked all the time, we saw each other a little here and there every night. And, you know, maybe I take you out on the weekend to go out. Um, it exposed a lot of people and the mental health of people. Uh, and, and, uh, do I think it's going to become more mainstream? It's, it's heading that way. Cause I've seen everywhere that I've worked only grow and blow up.
Um, bliss cruise, for example, two or three a year year those are takeover ships on royal caribbean celebrity royal caribbean or celebrity the whole ship is completely taken over it's couples only every cow mean it's insane i mean we're talking mega ships the oasis of the seas and and the media knows about this and sometimes they cover as well sometimes they cover as bad when i say they cover as bad it all depends on the person and the way they want to interpret things and a lot of the time it happens because of their own relationships their own misery their own you know or if they're happy they realize you know we had um what was it like i don't know eight months to a year ago we had vice in here they want to do a documentary on making being a better man okay so i took the guys around and this and that explaining the the lifestyle is not all about sex if you want that sure it's here here you can see it but if you want to get closer to your partner there's no better place than exploring and having a good time together and figuring out what's good together so these places only go on bigger and better i mean there's just that's how it is when i started here at secret side i was seven years ago it's insane the transformations happen here and it's only going to grow bigger and better i know we heard about all of that so the changes so it's fun it's cool i also think it's it's fun where you come to a place where people are like-minded you know when they say the lifestyle it's interesting to see the community those out, and you're going to listen to this right now.
Those that are out there that are listening, you wonder about the friends you actually have at home of what they actually would do for you. When you actually have people that actually care about you, your family, your kids that actually, and it doesn't have to be that you're swapping or doing anything. I have plenty of friends that I've never done absolutely anything with.
but they're lifestyle but but exactly they're some of the best people but if say tomorrow i get a car wreck i got people in my damn door yeah you know making sure that i'm okay yeah and and that's you know that's that's the way it should be yeah some of the best people we've ever met some of of the best friendships. So age, race, sex. I mean, it doesn't matter your preferences. Like people just, the way people should treat each other is the way people are here. And that's saying high end, being friendly to everyone. Yeah.
You know, you don't have to, you know, and everyone interprets the lifestyle differently in their own way of the way of doing it. I dedicated my life to this whole thing because I believe in it. And it and that's even you know with all the shit i've been through um so i mean we can get deeper into that whole story my uh we've all been through different stuff but my my situation i was married for almost 14 years uh lifestyle do believe in the lifestyle after a, well, it wasn't a failed marriage. We have two beautiful children. She decided to go different route.
You know, you have to be open and honest in this whole thing. If you're going to do stuff separately, you have to be honest to not only your partner, but the people you're getting with, because other expectations will develop and other relationships will develop if you're not open and honest with your partner. I was one where I wanted my wife to be happy, so I allowed her to do things because I was traveling, doing events, being open and honest with her if anything didn't happen.
Our roles were definitely different and very open after being together for so long and you know i told her absolute everything every little detail that was going on because i didn't want any secrets i don't want to pop out and so she was at home doing her own thing and certain rules we had just you know like tell the guys you're getting with you're married you've got kids because when the guys that get in a situation where they're actually getting laid or having sex and they don't yeah they create these emotions oh my goodness this girl's a dream come true and that was kind of my whole situation when i come down to it i didn't realize of what was going on and a lot of um emotions were developed that i had no clue about until i found out later it is randomly popped up yeah and by that point you're so deep into your own lies and known to see that's any relationship though yeah it's not just lifestyle you're doing it you know and so what I think what you described it is interesting because we get asked a lot if you're in the lifestyle if you're in open relationship can you cheat on your partner absolutely uh absolutely 100 and the thing is is and it's understanding this okay you can fuck someone it's like playing a match of tennis golf rolling right yeah a different course different change the things are different right yeah but at the end you put your emotions aside yeah if you shut your heart your heart no your heart.
No, I don't love you. I'm going to fuck you. Yeah. There's a huge difference. We're just fucking. Yeah. We're not making love. I make love with, you know, who I'm with. Yeah. You know, and understanding that because those moments and the emotions can be completely different if you can separate it. Yeah. A lot of people understand. They don't understand how you can do that.
Yeah, we get that all the time the time and it's like not get emotionally involved you just don't you just make a decision and you just stick but it's also checking on each other when it's going down yeah because i'm going to tell you something when when your partner is with someone else it actually is pretty uh emotions arise like it's it's sexy but you're like, that's so hot that you're actually getting off. I mean, you play with toys and different stuff, right? And keep a life happy, healthy, and sexy and also spicy, you know?
And anyone listening to this, I mean, literally you think about it in your relationship for a few years, your sex life starts to go down. I don't care who you are. I don care yeah and this is me talking i did porn this and that like i've done so much stuff you've got to keep it where between the two of you you're happy and things are thriving together yeah yeah and so that's one thing where it's it's crazy to see you know when people say that is no you're enjoy the moment enjoy that you're having a good time, and then go back and talk about it.
Cause a lot of the time the experience you have, that's, that's what gets you off for next while. Oh, we'll talk about this weekend for a month or two. Yeah. Like we talked about it last night when we were having sex when we came back. Yeah. The other thing you mentioned is, you know, when we, we've gone places, you've been places like here and, you know, and you see that-year-old couple. And they're just so into each other. You know what I mean? And they're just – And meanwhile, as us youngins, we all look at them and they say, wow, that's what I want. Yeah. Yeah.
Like, you look at those couples and you're like – you know, like, they've been married 50 years or whatever. And you can just tell, like, these two want to fuck each other's brains out. Well, it's crazy. They're having fun. And they're in their 80s. He's like, this is nuts.
We're going to segue gonna segue on that one because i got someone that then that's very interesting because you've also been the single in this whole environment now okay running events doing this being the front head center headline all the time yeah and then all sudden separating from my ex-wife sure and continuing to run the parties right and then you were a single yes and so that was a very interesting thing because and the problem was is this for me i still want to respect my ex-wife and and all this and of course everyone had questions and this and that right and you know i had six weeks where when i found out i know there only if you're very very close to me did you even have a damn clue.
Right. Because I, it was, I want to be respectful of my, I, I didn't want to put all her laundry out there. Right, out for everybody. And I didn't feel like that was for everyone, even though I have the platform I do and I'm in front of everyone. So that was hard. Right. And then finally when I went public, I mean, I'm on Facebook more than anything and I don't do much social media because I'm so out there with all the stuff I do. Everyone asks, well, why don't you post more? No, because when I'm home with my kids, I'm home with my kids. But when I'm in front of everyone.
That's what we got Meg for. That's funny. So I'm in front of everyone. But I always got to ask, like, during that time, do I still believe in lifestyle? Right. Because you went through a divorce. You've had an an ex wife that has done and did her way. Do you still believe in it? And I said, absolutely. Cause here's the thing is what we were doing was not lifestyle or open minded. It was a lot of shady stuff behind each other. It was cheating. I mean, in my head, it sounds like it was cheating. And so, and I still have to live with that. You know, I still have to see the situation and all this.
And that's interesting, you know, and with kids and sharing 50, 50 custody and all this, cause I'm still rockstar dad. I still want to be the best dad I possibly can for my kids. But, you know, and so I kind of accepted the fact, the matter that I would not find someone else that I wanted to be with in this environment, doing what I do that could accept me. Sure. I thought about all the dating sites.
Now, here's the problem is having the profile and doing what i've done for so long and having so much history with so many people yeah it's hard yeah because meanwhile all of a sudden marks on the market holy shit balls like this is insane right so women from all over were messaging me all the time hey you want to go on a date you want to go I host an event? This and that. Everyone's trying to figure out. And meanwhile, the problem I had was these were girls that were separated. They were divorced. They were still in a relationship.
And meanwhile, I'm like, I've got so much past history with all y'alls. I don't want anyone to know. I don't want to know your, either your husband, your ex-husband. I don't want I don't want to, I don't want any past history, you know, bringing into a new relationship. So I was always like, I don't know how this is going to work out. So I was single for a while. I mean, I had different hosts to help me out and different girls that were really pressuring to be more. Yeah. And this is COVID time. This is like literally the world shuts down in March. I'm at Hedo with a host.
I go back home with this host thinking it's going to last for two weeks. Next thing you know, we're in July. And I'm like, I don't really want to be with this person because once again, you have past history of my ex-wife. And meanwhile, my ex-wife is okay with this person because she knows that I'm not that into this situation. So meanwhile, my ex-wife is trying to control dialogue and all this.
And I'm like, this is horrible yeah i was trying to be happy but more than anything i was trying to keep my kids you know i wanted them to be happy yeah you know and so anyway so from that whole thing that i ended up meeting my fiance now that we've been together for a year and a half but i actually met her here at secrets and it was just a random night here on in the in july and you know she She had been bad divorces in her path you know bad relationships abusive and so she was very straightforward she was single for two years just trying to figure this out found out the lifestyle through friends because she was into girls and into girls and wanted to explore and have you know meaningful relationship yeah you know where she was actually treated with respect and so when i met her you know it's amazing how that just kind of panned out you know here on a night she had no clue who i was she knew i ran the entertainment right but you know not that i was available or this or that and we talked the next thing she said you know i talked throughout the night i watched her come into my place and watch how she would swim with the sharks and when i say because very very pretty single female dancing on the floor seeing how she's gonna get you know eaten by everyone alive yeah and i watched she could hold her own she she was happy herself and not you know i mean teach them as far as when you come here you want to do.
But I liked that she was very selective, that she just kind of did her thing. She danced around. So finally it was about midnight. I'm like, Hey, uh, can I talk to you? And we had already talked before that, right? Like we had, it was funny. Cause when I introduced myself, it was pretty much, Hey, I'm Mark. I do the entertainment, you know? And when she says she was single, I'm like, holy shit. And so I'm getting my honor. Well, then all of a sudden she goes inside the club. Now I'm doing a mic check, you know, before everyone's there. We're talking 930.
I mean, people are in the club, but just kind of drinking and making sure that things set up. Bartenders and all that. And she's like, excuse me, can you not speak during my song? The song rang on me by Lady Gaga. I was playing and she was dancing. And I'm like, excuse me, I could play this five damn times in a row. No one's going to give up. No one's going to care. And she's, no, one's fine. Thank you. I'm like, what the hell's up with this girl? Put me in my place. So then I got her on the back bar doing shots about 15 minutes. Well, let's see, about 10, 15-ish.
So about 30 minutes after that.
And I'm just that and i'm just watching going like who is it like i swear i've known this person for a long time i don't know this is interesting not only that a woman that puts me on my place yeah which was different for me not used to that i mean i have women that tell me this and that but not someone that i'm actually you know anyway so at the end of the night she says hey take me on a date and for me that was probably what i wanted to hear i mean it wasn't no it was what i wanted to hear i just never think i was going to hear right yeah in this so it was taking me on a date not take me to the playroom well because everyone that was always how it was there's always a one-night thing and i'd get groped and grabbed all the time yeah so when it come down to like it was like oh wow she actually wants substance like holy shit like that's awesome this girl actually come in here and all of that she doesn't she sees me past the point of all this yeah and and the way i am out here is the way i'm all the time you know everything's like are you just turning up because you're on no this is the way i live my life all the time though what you see is what you get yeah my energy levels off the you know i found a niche that worked for me and i just kind of ran with it so um i mean now we're talking a year and a half later that's all you know and then uh we got engaged in in in uh november congratulations uh sorry ladies there you go i'm gonna just hang out the um but no um yeah i wanted to be a complete surprise for her.
She was one where she wanted to know when it was going to happen. She could have her nails done and have a cute outfit. That's the funny thing.
When you have a life of lifestyle where you have so many friends from all over the world, and then you have your personal life, your family life at home, be respectful for both sides so it was interesting we're on bliss cruise i'm doing a pool party probably from like between two to three thousand at least right and um it was the other pool party i did the secret's pool party on the ship it was the right time i always said it was the right time was gonna be the right time i don't have to have a damn ring right and when the right time was gonna happen it was gonna it was gonna you know and uh funny i'm wearing a funny shirt get naked what is it it says get naked i have a plan that's the shirt i was wearing i was wearing boobie slippers and my hawk and and she was actually topless because mark does have some of the best outfit those shorts last night were on point yeah they're always interesting anyway so but um you know i yeah i got down on my knee mean, just stopped the whole thing there at the end and propose and she couldn't believe it.
Yeah. You know, and, uh, I don't know, sharing that with, with close friends that I've known for a long time and seeing all the shit that I've been through, I was the right time, you know? And then I waited for, I waited and I'd tell the kids, my two little boys, I didn't 12 and 13, they're not too little anymore, but, uh, they respect Chelsea so much. And, uh, so I want to do something separate for them, you know? And they were so excited for that whole thing. Like, dad, how are we going to do this? You know, by that point I had the ring. Right.
So like it happened, uh, right after Christmas and you know, how exciting that was for, for them, you know, and having a blended family, having a, you know, kids from previous relationship come in that accept, you know, and not only that, but even look at Chelsea more as a mother figure of, you know, how things work out and girls and all this, they ask her everything, you know, and I didn't know if I would ever have that in what I do that I could ever find someone else that I was okay bringing around you know and everything just kind of fit and mesh together so so you guys are you still lifestyle then you oh no no yeah we still are uh we do a lot of events so it just depends on when you catch us together, you know, I come sometimes by myself here and just run the, I mean, I'm so used to doing this and running it and we stay open as far as communication.
When, uh, when she's there, like in Vegas and I'm here, we're just very open with each other. I don't really play. I mean, I, you're working, by the, I'm working, but by the time the night rolls around, I've already seen kind of, you know, I'm tired, you know, I'm not wanting to give any, you know, but at the same time, I mean, we've had experiences when we've been separate and this and that, but it was always talking about things and, you know, that turns her on extreme. Same thing on the way back.
Like she has an experience, like damn baby, way to go, you know, but, but it's been a learning curve for her because of she's newer and i'm i'm this old dinosaur yeah and this whole thing so i you know coming into a relationship after everything you know and all my past history uh it's been interesting because to try to blend that together yeah where i've had all these experiences and she goes well i haven't had it you know well it was even for me and lacy i mean she was she was a unicorn for a while and i was a single male for a while yeah it took us a while to figure it out us as a couple when we found together what our rules are and what our limits were and what we were and weren't comfortable with that i mean that's a whole dynamic yeah because we thought we were going to just be like a totally open relationship we were like we're swingers we can totally do this we tried that oh it was it was awful it was terrible like we ended up having to do like a month or two of monogamous just to like clear the slate and then like baby steps back into it to figure out what we just we thought we would be much better we thought it would be easy like we're like we can fucking do this we're swingers only imagine adding in the, you know, throwing pool parties and dildoing girls multiple times a day.
That dynamic mixed into a relationship. Absolutely. It's got to be stressful. Well, I mean, here's the thing is, Chelsea come in ready to run.
And after what I'd been through with my ex, I was like, PTSD hold well it was that but it was like this finding a girl of your dreams and being happy right after I've been through so much other stuff you still want to fuck it up I didn't well that but I was very it wasn't it was protective to the point of this I want rules and boundaries I want to set rules and boundaries yeah and meanwhile she's like oh no let's go play let's have fun and i'm like uh we're gonna crash and burn so hard right now and and they're done that and so for her it's like you know let's have these experiences and this and that and i'm like okay and definitely a lot crash and burn she was anxious and i was more hesitant yeah and and just setting rules and boundaries and she's she's come a long way in that whole thing uh we don't play much but when we do i mean it's interesting when you run entertainment for a living doing this out in front of everyone you're nice to everyone yeah so and and so some people get the wrong impression that we want to do something or the ones that we that.
Yeah, we can relate to that. Or just, or just, you know, and it's not, it's not that we have a certain type of this. I mean, we care about personality. We care about connection. We care about that. You actually care about each other. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a couple, I don't care how damn good looking you are. If you're not in it together, I don't give a shit. I don't care a lot.
I'm around too much of this and i've got too much of past history i don't care i much rather have an experience where well first of all we can go back together and sex is amazing anyway you know so we're gonna bring it at the same time why am i gonna fuck somebody i'm not really if we're gonna if we're yeah if we're gonna bring you in what's you know it's got to make it a reason to do this and and uh we got a lot of newbies i think think that's our whole style. We've got a lot of people that's the brand new first. We love newbies.
A lot of couples don't, you know, they kind of steer away from it. We love that. We found with the newbies, it's fun to start something new and create rules and boundaries. I mean, with my past history, porn star swing of this, what? I don't give a shit, right? Mark's got some titles. Well, no, but it's stupid because here's the thing is, and everyone has different thoughts about that, like when it comes down to it.
And even my fiancée, even Chelsea, like, Mark, you've had so many experiences like i don't you know and meanwhile people come up and they want to oh everyone has a story about mark everyone has a story and they want to tell her everyone does and meanwhile it's like holy like you know like doing this one like you're gonna put me in a hole i gotta explain myself and everyone wants to of course exaggerate the story that happened i'm like you know it's like Like, you know, that happened, but not like that. Yeah. And I don't know.
I look like a damn slut and then of course when it comes down to my past history that was my past with my ex which has been a very interesting thing i mean anyone that's been through the maze that i've been through uh it's i could write plenty of books on it and talk about this forever because, you know, I've learned a lot, you know, not that I'm perfect, but as far as relationship wise, I want the relationship that I'm in to work just like anyone else would.
Lifestyle can be really fun and good if done within the bounds of the bounds and honesty and openness of relationship you know i think when i heard you guys talk that was the reason why i was okay getting on here because i've had so many that wanted me to hop on this and that and and talk uh there's other ones i want to shame when i did porn and i had plenty that wanted to kind of put in front of my face and acting like somehow what I was doing was wrong. Yeah. Or shame just because they were miserable themselves. Sure. I explained this a little bit to you guys.
At the AVN, the big porn convention in Vegas, I had plenty of people try to seek me out to try to shame. It's fun to turn things around and actually put them on them. You ask yourself the question, are you happy in the relationship you currently are in? Are you happy? Are you legitimately happy? And I'm not saying the lifestyle is for everyone. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying it's a fix, but figure out what makes you happy together. Cherish the person you're with. Treat them with love, treat them with respect.
I think the difference with lifestyle people is they're not a to have the confidence to say to your partner like I you know like I'm curious about this yeah like having enough confidence in your own skin to be able to say like baby I love you but I would really like to do x y and z or I'd like to see you with somebody like that takes confidence and I know like I have a previous relationship as well and and you know i couldn't have that those conversations with that that person um so you know i think to have a relationship where you're that comfortable you can be vulnerable you can you know with somebody i think that's very unique i think to lifestyle people you know because there's a lot of relationships out there where the guys that are curious are you know watching videos and how they're hiding in the bathroom or you know whatever you I mean?
So I think you're right that a lot of people have these desires, are curious about this stuff, but they don't have the confidence to talk to their partner about it. So here we go. Ready? Yeah. The number one secret of how to make your partner want to do this. What is it?
Everyone always asks that question, right asked that question okay it's not your idea it should be their idea oh that's a good and so when it comes down to it if you're thinking only about yourself it ain't gonna work out we get that all the time like how do i convince yeah i'm like you can't convince anybody you can't convince anybody yeah understanding what seed, right? Get this ready. People travel with me. They want me to somehow connect them with others to get them an experience. Right. Or, hey, my wife talks about this, da. Would you be interested? Like, okay, I'm not no matchmaker.
Figure out what works out. That's your next business venture. No, but I know. Seriously, I could do this and that. I mean, I haven't done all my options yet. Yeah. No, but when it comes down to it, figure out your partner's fantasies. Figure out what they're into. Right. Don't make it about you. Yeah. Don't make it about you. Yeah, exactly. That's a really good point. And quit being so selfish. Yeah. When it comes down to the end of that, take care of your partner. In a relationship that works. Yeah.
It's two people that care enough about each other that will do anything for that other person to make that other person happy on all sides. What you just said I think needs to be rooted because I think we've got asked it a lot. The answer we usually give is, well, be open and honest with your partner about what you want. But what you just said is even better than that. It's so smart. It's figure out what your partner wants and then figure out, help them make that happen. I think that's, it's such a good way to look at it and I, you know, I think that's going to be my answer going forward.
I'm going to steal that from Laura. I got it. There's times that we even pause. I'm like, what is something that we haven't done that you want to do? You know, we've tried really hard to like just pause and we've done a lot. It's hard, but yeah, that's, that's a really good point. I love it. Yeah. The, um, the interesting fact is a lot of people say take one for the team. Right. So a lot of like both of you, when you show up, should be looking nice. Yeah. Do it for yourself. Yeah. You know, like you're only going to compliment the person you're with. Correct.
You know, and, and interesting enough enough there's a lot of people that have different views on stuff like so my fiance so chelsea comes down to it she thought that she would have to get with some random guys just because i wanted to fuck the girl and i'm like in the very beginning that was one of the hard rules i put down when she was kind of shocked i was like listen if you ain't getting the other guy there ain't a chance he don't fucking do shit to you at all like he's not gonna do anything yeah because when it comes down to it it's not about me getting mine or you know you getting yours like you're not gonna pawn me off on some lady you know yeah yeah like this should be something in it together and you can find definitely those experiences where you click right and and you know that's how it should be i mean some people think there's a body count in this whole thing yeah we get that question a lot you know no but but it's funny you know but but you think about it i mean it was funny because that was a comment that chelsea actually made to me in the very beginning like so how many of it how have you been like and interesting enough she wanted to bring up stuff in the past and for me It was kind of like, do I want to go down this road?
Like, my past is my past. Like, you're accepting me for who I am now and where I'm going with you. Not what I've done in my past. Yeah. That's so true. And also accepted her past of what she had been through and different things that she had done. Because there's no judgment on that, you know? And, of our life's definitely different because me being with my ex wife doing this for so long with so many and being around so many people and having experiences with other people.
And then all of a sudden Chelsea comes in to be respectful of different relations that I've had in the past and different friends I've had in the past of accepting her. It made things really interesting of, of that, you know, the balance of that.
Yeah balance of that yeah so but um i don't know uh just figure out what your partner wants yeah i love that figure figure out fantasies how we doing on uh we're good we're good yeah i think yeah i think i think it's a great way to end it you know it is a great way to end it and i think we could have five episodes with mark yeah all his experiences and things. I only get on podcasts with the people I like. That's cool. We could sit here and chat. You don't realize of how many podcasters have come to me saying, hey, would you sit in with me? I'm like, yeah, I'm busy. Yeah, yeah.
I think we have similar views on the last time. Exactly. But mirror yourself out. Like look at other couples and say, so when I was single and this is, this is hard when I was single and I'm watching other people that were happy and realizing that I was torn. Try to find that again or not again, but try to find something that makes me happy.
So I understand that whole thing and being real on that, you know, because you guys said it, the 80 year old couples that are here and they're fucking each other and they're having a damn good time i was lost for a minute you know and it's not the lifestyle makes you find that it's that i had to find myself i had to make myself happy and i had to be you know if you're when you're dating what do you do you got to find the best version of yourself right because if you don't find that best version of yourself you're not going to be you're not going to be good enough for the person that also walks in your life and if i would do not get myself together i mean i was when it's weird i was single for seven months actually single for seven months legally single for seven months where you know i had to find myself because i was pretty damn lost in this whole environment after going through what I'd been through and having some shame, to be honest with you, you know, and to try to keep my shit together and, you know, find that not again, but find, find what was going to make me happy because clearly, uh, previous relationship, I'd kind of lost track of that and I, uh, both of us had, you know, well, we got, we got to FaceTime Chelsea yesterday she's gorgeous beautiful all these guys look very nice oh man she yeah holy moly we were here at Labor Day we were here Labor Day weekend and she was here as well oh yeah okay gotcha yeah yeah we it's been an interesting ride for us yeah you.
You know, she at first, like I said, wanted to run as fast as she could. And now she's trying to figure our roles and boundaries and things that she's comfortable with and what makes her happy, you know, find her own sexuality.
You know, we've all been through different stuff and, uh, at the end of the day, everyone deserves to be happy and their relationship and figuring out what makes that happen so you know you track those that uh if you're good overall like if you take care of yourself not just physical appearance but inside then things are gonna work out for you in the long haul with everything that's what it's all about so i think we got a couple minutes left if people are interested in you and what you do and oh my goodness i'm all over the place how do they find you how do they find secrets goodness give them the plug mark tell them what you do you know it's it's interesting this whole tiktok thing is like it's new for me uh i've been watching you a rundown i know i should i should actually no but uh there's only one billion views of swing talk i mean it's still a pretty yeah well everyone's interested in that whole the whole thing i appreciate you guys are pushing for the lifestyle because that's important to me um where can you find me uh i work at hedonism 2 in jamaica once a month i work for a company called sls or swing lifestyle big lifestyle website you guys met on there so there you go so tell them we should be like got you I'm that's funny cuz I actually work for like the granddaddy of them all the one the first one that created a website they were the first and they're worldwide and yeah that's cool as far as that goes and then I also work for topless travel which is official travel industry of swing lifestyle I've been, it's been like eight years.
It's been a long while. And then I've been working here at Seaguts for, shoot, seven? Six and a half, seven years? That's crazy. It's crazy how fast times pass by. But I don't know. Facebook, Party Mark Vegas. Our other account on there is Mark and Chelsea. Do you guys have a website or are you just on Facebook? You know, I had a website in the past where I put all the events that I was doing. Um, we're very easily, easily defined. I'm here at Secrets twice a month. This will only grow, this will only grow and be bigger. Um, we live in Vegas. Vegas is home. Yeah.
You know, you come to Vegas, uh, there's ways to find us.
I mean, you can find social media and all this chelsea's a lot better on social media than i am i'm the guy that dances on the side of the pool and then i go home and i'm pretty private i mean i'm out there but you know i'm home i'm home yeah you know but um we'll get your email and stuff um we'll help meg do that and we'll drop all that in the show notes absolutely somebody's wanting to have a naked pool party and having some swinger events everyone always asks you know i know, I'm a busy man, but definitely got a lot of people that help, help out with the stuff that I do.
So a lot of host couples I have over the years and all over the place, you know, you can find lifestyle anywhere you go. Yeah. So, I mean, definitely I'm a good contact if you want it. If you, if you're in a certain area and you're looking for what's going on there, I've got people everywhere. That's awesome. And that's even to the point of Germany. So, you know, I've been over overseas all over. So, you know, and it's all, everyone's just trying to be happy and trying to figure out their way. A hundred percent.
Well, we appreciate you sitting down with us and I hope we see you around a lot more as we kind of, we're really just kind of dipping our toes into this world, getting to know people and, you know, the whole lifestyle thing. So we see you around a lot more as we kind of we're really just kind of dipping our toes into this. You know, people and, you know, the whole lifestyle thing. So we appreciate you sitting down with us. We appreciate everything you've done for, you know, Swing Talk and the TikTok people here this weekend. You've put on quite the show. I think we've had a great time.
And I think with that, we'll end in a world full of apples. Be a pineapple. Be the pineapple, guys. Bye. These two are legit. That's all I'm saying. Oh, thank you. Guys, listen up to what they say because they're legit and they're real. And that's what matters. We just try to just be genuinely us. I mean, no, true. We just, like, we fuck up all the time. Like, last week we did a Red Flags episode, and we were like, we've done all of these. We're not even going to lie, you know? So we just try to be super ourselves. Good looking couple together. Thank you. That's what matters. Thank you.
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