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welcome to the swing nation podcast a podcast by swingers for swingers where we look to educate others and push back on the negative stigmas and misconceptions associated with our lifestyle come with us and share our pineapple journey as we travel the globe interview the experts learn and grow together join the nation welcome to the swing nation podcast i am your host northern guy and southern girl and uh this episode we're coming to you live from um the holiday Holiday Inn. The Holiday Inn. Where we met, babe. Not the same Holiday Inn, though. We've had a lot of memories in the Holiday Inn.
Holiday Inns are a... They're a thing for us. They're a thing for us. So we're here with Ashley. It's because you have points at Holiday Inn. Don't call me Ashley. I'm only Ashley when I'm in trouble. Oh, you keep saying that. Ash and Bo. Maybe you're in trouble. Mr. Fireball. Otherwise known as Mr. and Mrs. Fireball. Although I think it's just Mr. Fireball. There's not too many Mrs. Fireball. I think it's because of your TikTok. You kind of have your own. Ash already has her own persona. Yeah. He's got a total fan club. Yeah. I'll let you know. I may or may not have something to do with that.
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So any of you that have followed us for a while i've heard about um this couple for a while they were you know from trapeze to secrets um they've definitely become part of our nashville nashville yeah vibe there they've been they've been a lot of places with us you you've kind of heard about them so we're gonna introduce them and let them tell a little bit about their their lifestyle journey because i know several of you are interested it's always fun just have different perspectives 100 so um ash and bo if you guys want to introduce yourselves tell us tell us a little bit about yourselves and then we'll we'll put you on the hot seat and ask you all the the hard-hitting questions yeah um so we met uh 2009 um ashley was in the restaurant business um i was she says a regular of hers i didn't necessarily i mean we tip good he did much better than he does now well i mean once uh i definitely learned to tip well for sure uh once we after the first date the tips definitely got better because our first date was interesting for sure and i hung around pretty well for then so we've been we've been together now for 14 years in june that's awesome we've been married for 13 years in june uh we have three beautiful daughters um i think you grazed over the dating a little bit too fast i mean who asked you out you definitely asked me out we have something in common yes i can't say i blame you but definitely that you were the pursuer just like pretty much everything in our life.
Where did you take me? So we we had a modest first start of the date. We ended up at a downtown kind of restaurant bar. But by the time that was over with, I asked you to take me somewhere else. That's right. She had never been to a strip club. Perfect first date. Yeah, because I was supposed to be what they call a hit it and quit it, I think. That was the plan. Yep. And so once I realized she wasn't wearing her granny panties that night, she was wearing her fuck me panties. I knew it was going to work out good good. Then she asked to take her to the strip club. I was like, well, hell yeah.
Take you to the strip club. That was a fun night. It was a fun night. We really partied our asses off the first night. I never left. Yeah, you came back to my apartment and you just kind of stayed. You kept telling me to leave for about two or three months. I just refused. I just kept coming back. I love it. So was there intercourse on the first night in the apartment? Do we want to be really honest about this? I don't know. I'm scared of what your honesty is. You see, Bo was married before I was. Oh. Or before we were. Yeah. He was married.
And I was one of the first people that he was with after his divorce. And he'd only been with a few people before he was married. Very select few people.
So there was some stage fright there yeah but um next morning we were good i love it yeah i mean cuddle with the love of your life on the very first date cuddle all night and then bang it out in the morning that's pretty awesome it was great yeah they have a lot of similarities to us we yeah we didn't we didn't fuck on the first day um the next day it was the next day and i was the pursuer but ours was a little we didn't fuck on the first date because we had both fucked couples on yeah but still pretty hot i mean it's still pretty cool though that they're kind of similar i like it it is pretty weird i mean we kind of live our life now how we did the first date isn't that how it should be right right You know what I mean?
pretty hot i mean it's still pretty cool though that they're kind of similar i like it it is pretty weird i mean we kind of live our life now how we did the first date isn't that how it should be right right yeah that's i mean i think most couples should want to live their lives the way they do the first day very lucky lucky people so then you get married and that was 14 years ago you have kids so how how does the the lifestyle how does that come up how does that get introduced or whose idea see I was in the lifestyle before I met Bo um I was a unicorn like Lacey um but I was in it for different reasons I think I was in it mainly for females but yeah um i always liked older females i liked older company people older than my age i was always just more mature yeah and most of those women were always married so how would you find those couples i worked with them oh so were you you weren't really aware that it was no it wasn't you weren't like i'm a swinger i'm a unicorn i'm playing as swingers i would flirt and then they would bring me around their husbands and i would say can i fuck your wife that's pretty much that's awesome but you were you were deliberate i mean that was your goal yeah yes you just didn't i didn't really like playing with the husbands back then yeah i was I was really young.
Yeah. But did you sometimes play with the husband? Once. And I didn't really like it. There wasn't a question beforehand if you could. Yeah. I mean, back then it was just hot to see husbands, their wives, play with other women. so it wasn't something that was discussed beforehand um and it started happening i was like okay i'm out yeah uh but i guess that makes me like a cog tease i don't i don't know but i just think you probably just kind of you didn't know there wasn't really clear boundaries and stuff you were just having fun i was just having fun that's okay Yeah.
And it wasn't always with married women, like, and, you know, couples. There were.
really clear boundaries and stuff you were just having fun i was just having fun that's okay yeah so it wasn't always with married women like and you know couples there were a few single women so yeah so did you consider yourself bisexual did you consider where you i've always been like up through um middle and high school i have friends that will see they they see what i you know what everything that's happened yeah how everything's taken off and they're like I'm not shocked yeah but um I've always yeah always been that way from a young age so you you knew you were bisexual or did you struggle with your sexuality were you did you think maybe you were a lesbian did you no you just knew I like both I like both uh.
And you just always been that way. So is that how the conversation with Bo came up? I told Bo on our very first date, I like women too. And he was like, that's hot. Well, especially like, can you take me to a strip club? I like girls. Yeah. Yeah. So I was always very upfront with what I liked. And I said, dig it or leave it. Yeah. So my perception was sweet. Threesomes galore. And that never happened. I don't need that anymore. Right. Well, I never felt like I needed it. It was something that I enjoyed doing. But we had kids. Sure. It was a very busy life. But it was very strange to me.
And I never, ever understood it. But she would tell me that. She's like, I don't need it anymore.
And I'm like, well, two like well two things come from that that sucks well did you have like a fantasy in your mind of like how hot it was gonna be and y'all are gonna bring these hot chicks home and fuck them i mean i can just i just know men and i can see a man in his mind being like i had the jackpot i got this hot wife we're gonna fuck all these bitches together no i don't think i played it out like that i don't think i ever had this grand story i just saw the potential for something i'd never experienced up to that point and i thought this is a pretty sweet deal i have a wonderful wife that i love and stuff like that and i might get a little bonus track and it just she was like i don't need that anymore and i was like if for for i'd say four or five years we had conversations i kept telling i don't understand it i don't understand if you're if you're into women that much why are you giving it up i don't understand i wanted to have a threesome okay so though you fast forward a little bit that actually was brought to the door one very drunken night with a bunch of girlfriends oh really and i Thank you.
okay so though you fast forward a little bit that actually was brought to the door one very drunken night with a bunch of girlfriends oh really and i showed up at the house and i should not have done that showed up at the house with a girl who was like party on and were you dating or married at this we were married for oh 10 years eight years at that point oh wow it's about 10 we about ten years. We were still in that place. But, yeah. And I was really wasted. And it wasn't something that I talked to him about beforehand. And it was a really bad decision because it hit badly.
He was not prepared. Yeah. And it was like, what the fuck? Yeah. You throw this on me, I have a lot to process. So, if I'm picturing this right you go out for a girl's night and bo thinks you're going out on a normal girl's night it was a normal girl you come back at two o'clock in the morning or something with another girl with a friend and then it's try to like approach him to like wake him up in the middle of the night and say we're here to fuck he was like what are you talking about you've been telling me for 10 years you don't need this. You don't want this. Yeah, exactly.
So it was not approached very well. I mean, we talk all the time about how to approach your partner respectfully. That's not the way to do it. That is not the way to do that. Don't ever do that. But I can see. I mean, like, as a girl, I can see. Oh, drunk and Lacey would totally do that. Yeah, I totally would. So I can kind of relate.
I i mean i could see how it happened but her husband was with y'all her too right he was just dropping her off so her husband knew she was they were swingers yeah so i've been asleep for about four hours at this point this was two in the morning i was there with the kids and it basically ended with i'm sorry baby okay i'll tell her to go home and then that sounds like a good time but you but uh the kids and i just woke up and uh yeah well i mean i totally regretted it obviously the next day but i could not process drunk ashley coming in the room waking me up trying to have us there's another drunk woman outside and i'm like i still apologize about that i'm like so y'all had never swung never done anything before this i never even knew what swinging was yeah just probably two or three years ago so how did you go from drunken ashley bringing a girl home to you're outing yourselves on TikTok as swingers.
Like, what happened between point A and whatever point we're at? We get started at the lake. The lake? Sounds like a good time. Our friends at the lake. Oh, yeah, definitely.
So, I guess fast forward to 2000, let's see, this would have been 20 october uh i get i get another text from ashley that says hey uh would you be interested in possibly swapping for my birthday and i'm like okay here we go again and we had some friends that she worked with the female and i guess they had talked and she kind of found out that they had kind of done some of that recently and so we ended up at their house this was literally her birthday two years ago so are they legitimate swingers or they're just curious and kind of exploring themselves they are but they are i shouldn't say legitimate swingers but like they a lot of red they're red flag okay they're swing they're swingers that have a lot of jealousy issues okay especially from the female side of it so had y'all kind of talked about it before she brought this up or was it just like another out of the no i don't know where situation i actually didn't instigate it we were hanging out at their place which we often do and his wife Yeah.
out of the no out of nowhere situation i actually didn't instigate it we were hanging out at their place which we often do and his wife made the move and i was like but didn't you text him and say hey yeah we kind of had that they're just they're looking at each other like their stories aren't straight no we were going over to their place but anyways okay so you're just over there for vanilla. Normal. Yes. And she hit on you. No, she hit on him. Oh, okay. So we were in the hot tub. And I guess it started like 9. Classics were in our new movie. Yeah, we were in the hot tub.
Yeah, so it probably started about 9 o'clock. So by the time 1 in the morning came along, drinking from 9 to 1 in a hot tub. Yeah.
It to progress and classic swing clothes start coming off throughout the night and touching so you hadn't talked about anything no boundaries no clear yeah just where the first mistake yes yes no and next thing you know they're getting it on and we're watching no uh the couple the couple okay i was like i didn't do anything and we're watching yeah you know and did she ask you if it was okay to come over to me i was so no um i kind of inserted myself a little bit for support yeah and then she took it upon herself to move over to vote yeah which got really awkward really quick um it's very awkward for you so y'all basically just jumped right in it jumped right in with a lot of mistakes made yeah um and we a lot of a lot of new couples do i mean yeah you hear about all the time so i mean if you really hear if you heard our swinger story we're the poster child of fuck-ups.
Yeah, you hear about it. Yeah, you hear about it all the time. I mean, if you heard our swinger story, we're the poster child of fuck-ups. Yeah, don't do this. Don't do that. That's why I think we have gone so heavy into swing talk. Yeah, I love helping people. We are trying to keep people from making the mistakes we've made. Well, you learned.
So you ended up that night full swapping with this couple couple or somewhat some some type of swap happened um she fucked him but um i was uh she didn't want me near or doing anything so i didn't honestly know that she was keeping him from her right yeah the whole time so it's kind of hard when you're all in a group setting to see who is doing what with what it's but i didn't mind that much i mean because you're into women i'm i'm into women but i also love watching yeah that is my kink i love to watch so initially your first time you totally were into watching i just sat there and watched the whole yeah so the next day there wasn't like animosity or oh he was totally confused he was like he was like what the fuck happened and why were you looking at me like that i'm like because it was fucking hot yeah it was hot he's like let me you're totally enough for me i was like i know i am i totally get that he was going through a lot of emotions but i loved it i'll let him explain what he was thinking but it was like it was almost like reverse jealousy like i'm sitting there thinking that like because i'm the only one that really participated i'm like she should be mad at me here i don't understand what's going on this makes no sense she should be mad but she's really turned on i don't know how to handle this i'm i'm mad at myself for for what i felt like i allowed to happen because it was just so much going on it just spiraled out of control i guess and in reality she was over there cheering on the whole thing yeah or instigate me you.
You're eating your popcorn. Yes, I was. Well, you know, for the first year, basically all our swinging experiences, that's something I've really had to adjust to. Nothing really bothers her. Nothing bothers Dan usually either. So I can relate to Bo on that. I mean, it takes a lot. Like sometimes I want things to bother him.
I'm'm the same way I'm like getting mad at me yeah same Lacey's literally like are you jealous right now are you jealous no you're like I'm trying to make you jealous I'm like why would you say you're trying to make me jealous he's like that's really fucked up and she's like well I just want to know that you love me and I'm like baby I love you to death and that's a little toxic but what you're doing right now is hot as fuck and yes that is toxic exactly like you're actually just turning me on more I don't know it's really hard to It's not something that I can like Accurately explain I guess because I know How much I love you and sometimes I do feel that way so I feel like You should feel I don't know it's a very hard thing to explain I think that is a normal human reaction to expect your spouse to be jealous and if they're not you feel like well then something must be wrong here right like something must is out of sync that if you don't feel jealous well that's kind of what beau was just saying like he felt like something was wrong because she loved it and didn't but just like different love languages yeah oh yeah yeah for sure there's different ways that people take things in and put out so you guys kept playing with that couple you how do you where did you Thank you.
yeah for sure there's different ways that people take things in and put out so you guys kept playing with that couple you how do you where did you go from there to like now we're swinger they took us to trap for the first time oh and that worked out horribly it was awful because i mean when we had never been to trap i was super excited but you say trap you're talking trapeze atlanta We'd never been. We were super excited. I didn't realize by going with this couple that they had automatically assumed that we would be playing. That does happen. Well, they just, it was, we were very overwhelmed.
Yeah. You know, going to Trapeze the first time is overwhelming as hell. Because you can't really get a good understanding.
Like, the fact that y'all did the podcast and explained to people i think was fantastic because people can listen to that and as soon as they walk in the door they already know where things are and it can be any swinger club can be yeah overwhelming i think we do forget because we've you know we've both been in the lifestyle six seven years now that that for a couple that is just walking into a swinger club for the first time especially if they don't get a tour and kind of like a host experience where they show them around and tell them all the rules and stuff like that is a intimidating kind of overwhelming scene to just jump into um right off the bat and we tried to explain to them before we went we already kind of knew that we wanted to just explore a little bit ourselves let's break apart y'all go find a couple to talk to look let's just have our own Thank you.
to them before we went we already kind of knew that we wanted to just explore a little bit ourselves let's break apart y'all go find a couple to talk to look let's just have our own experience but they followed us around like little puppy dogs and it kind of ruined the experience for us yeah that does happen when you meet a couple and you go to a club together i mean you should never assume that someone's going to sleep with you but it happens it does i mean it's just kind of part of swinging unfortunately that's where the boundaries and the clear communication should come in well it gets back to what we always say communication communicate right so even in that scenario right like communicating like well what are your expectations what are your expectations well it sounds like they made it very clear but that couple didn't hear it they didn't And we've been in situations like that too let's be honest where you're like oh i can't wait to see you guys there and then some people will automatically assume yeah yeah and uh you just gotta realize that you can make your own rules you can move in on you know whatever you choose to move in on and people have their own decisions to make you can't claim there's no there's no tags there's no no no absolutely and before we move on from the first time at trap we need to make sure that everybody understands that ashley jumped into an eight woman orgy that night at trapeze yes our very first night it's right yeah she just jumped straight in wow i have a habit of disappearing she does she's a wonder i disappear but to the bathroom and stuff like that like not to a pallet i say i'm going to the bathroom and then end in an eight girl orgy yeah or like having my knee roped by someone in a bbsm room in tennessee jen hasn't heard that story oh this is yeah i heard this so yeah i disappeared but um this time i did he found me um in an eight person or orgy in the big group room and he was just like in diamond club or regular diamond okay in the back i feel a little bit better yeah they were beautiful beautiful women i walked by and I stopped and I kind of backed up a little bit.
And I was looking. And a couple of the girls were like, get your ass in here. So had you not been with a woman for like 10 years? Like based on your story? Yep. Wow. So you were just like, I'm going. And that's another mistake that you should not make. You should have went and said, talk to Bo. Is it okay if I join? Bo, these girls want me to jump in an eight-girl order. You should come watch this. I just kind of jumped in and blindsided him when he walked. But it's super easy to get in those situations at clubs and places like that. It's very, very easy. It's so exciting.
It's like you're like 16 again. See, Dan's looking at me. He's like, yeah, it's exciting. He gets it. I would go find Lacey, though. But now, early on, I don't know. But it's weird because we were all, me and you were kind of established in the lifestyle when we got together. So we kind of had some of those. But, I mean, that's 100%. Like, our communication level back then was terrible. Yeah.
As most new swingers swingers are yeah i don't think anybody understands that is the one most important part of being a swinger is everything has to be communicated to keep problems from arising yeah but it's as it's as easy as saying hey come back here let's come see what this is going on right you know it changes the narrative had she come to you and said hey babe uh these eight girls just invited me to come play with them do you want to watch me do that you probably would have been like fuck yeah let's go do that but then you probably were searching for her i'm assuming you couldn't find her always and you turn the corner and she's like in this and were you like oh that's fucking hot are you like where the fuck are you oh no i guess it was somewhere in between i was when i was like a deer in the headlights when i looked up and saw him and made eye contact i was like oh yeah um in his eye he was like a deer in the headlights i was like i never saw you with a girl he was probably like super were man of course there were several other men around looking but i saw him and i was like oh shit i'm in trouble yeah and his eyes were just and then there was a lot of conversations that came from that yeah yeah so do you think trapeze like really opened the door for y'all to be like full-fledged swingers you just saw it and knew this was like your place and i guess that's part of the interesting thing about this story is you keep talking about like oh we did this and it was completely fucked up and it was horrible and like but you kept going like you didn't stop like you're like okay there is something here even though we keep screwing it up there's something to this that we like because we would always talk about it afterwards when you screw up you talk about it yeah and then you come up with rules and you come up with guidelines those guidelines can change over time but we would always whenever there was a fuck up we would always reconnect say this is what we did wrong and this is what we don't do next time yeah well and we were smart enough to realize the experiences weren't the problem it.
Yeah. It was our communication and how we handled those situations. Yeah. I guess we kind of did the same thing, to be honest with you. We've done it. Yeah, we fucked up a ton, but I think we both knew that we were making the mistakes, not the sweeter. I don't think anybody gets into this lifestyle and it's smooth sailing the entire time. I mean, there's got to be. If they say it is, they're lying, in my opinion. And people are going to be like, well, then why would I want to get into the lifestyle?
So it's smooth sailing the entire time i mean there's gonna be if they say it is they're lying right but that's you know when people are gonna be like well then why would i want to get the lifestyle it sounds like a bunch of drama but no like think about any relationship you've ever been in it's all you have to model you know you're gonna have ups and downs and bumps and along the way but i don't think anybody would be like well i'm not going to get in a relationship because it sounds like it it's complicated well swinging is complicated but it also teaches you like really good life lessons like communicate like i can tell you anything i could be like i want to go murder someone like you know you would totally judge me let's not put that on tape i'm not being like i'm not admitting to anything i would or wouldn't do well i mean but like i've been in like sexual like relationships where like i was afraid to say spank me you know what i mean like right it's really nice to like have a partner that it doesn't matter like how far-fetched your kink or whatever the thing is it's like i know that you're going to be okay with it i mean you might not want to do it like you might not want to murder somebody with me but you're gonna love me that's a weird k'm not into that one.
You know what I mean. I mean, I understand what you're talking about with the communication part because even early on, I was afraid to tell her if I found another woman attractive because I didn't want to upset her. Yeah. Now it's just commonplace. I'm like, damn. That's what you're searching for. We find ourselves to be sitting at dinner or something, and a hot chick will walk by, and we'll kind of look at each other and be like, yeah.
We were at Walmart the other day and we were putting our groceries in the car and this girl next to us was loading her groceries and she was super hot and she was bent over putting her groceries in and Dan was like, Lacey. She was staring at her like a guy would and i was like lacy like like she is hot but don't be that obvious about it she's like what no i was just and i was like i know what you were doing sorry she's hot i just was looking totally yeah i didn't say okay so you guys communicated and then you kept going back to trapeze is that the the path you took?
I think our next experience was the far force. Yeah, but I think in between the two trap trips, we did our first real full swap separate room. Did you get on SLS or SDC or something? No, it was actually my best friend.
So, yeah, so yeah we did do this so then we go to number three yes she's actually still my best friend that's good and she still hangs out with us that's awesome um and her and her husband they still hang out with us they're like y'all got lucky they're still in the lifestyle too they're like we love to fight other people we just don't do that nowhere yeah not you guys anymore um because it did cross boundaries yeah um it wasn't i mean it was a mistake but it ended well still still best friends we made a mistake in um the uh outer banks that wasn't our mistake actually we met up with someone on on SDC I didn't realize that SDC was location based so while we were on vacation we had a couple of messages and we're like hey we're in Kill Devil Hills you guys are going to meet up we've got a couple airbnbs you can choose from this and this and i was like what wow we met up with them and i'll have to show you a picture sorry i'll show you a picture but imagine someone taller than beau oh wow he was actually taller than beau and i was such a such a sucker for tall yeah i like tall men too and she was gorgeous and uh she was tall also so I look like a little toddler next to all of them but um so is this your first full salt cover or was that the best friend that was the best friend okay best friend was the first full swap yeah and that was actually separate rooms i was downstairs actually was upstairs how did that go i mean like it just happened that way or you know they wanted it that way and everything was working out great until um me and the husband finished and all you could hear from downstairs was yeah like beau wearing it out and the husband was like i was good until i heard that yeah and they normally actually do separate houses so so there's no, like, hear no evil.
So they were trying to play middle for you guys, and they didn't like it because they could hear each other. I was clapping cheeks downstairs. But the couple in Kill Devil Hill, or in the Outer Banks, they were saying they wanted swapping, but in reality, they really wanted just a female. The Swing Nation podcast is proud to announce an official partnership with SDC.com. SDC stands for Seek, Discover, Connect.
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We have hit every red really are you really are like people that are wanting to get in the last like this is like a very good episode to listen to because like you made all the mistakes i think we did very kindly but i mean it's really true somebody's going to listen to this and in here and i think it hopefully it will help them see that like these are the things to look out for don't fuck your best friend don't fuck your best friend you can fuck and then become best friends yeah yeah honestly i i kind of feel like you you don't fuck friends you fucking then become friends i totally agree i'll tell you that is the magic right there yeah people all the time that like i think that people especially because we are on tiktok they assume that like our life goal is to turn vanilla people swingers and that's not the case like we've never hooked up with someone who is not already our lifetime goal is to turn swingers into vanilla friends so like when people ask us that we're like no like that's like it is weird that dynamic though i guess it's because if you're already friends fucking can ruin it but if you're already fucking and then you become friends well it's just like a bonus to the fucking right yeah it's like a reverse psychology yeah you can almost become best friends like if you've already crossed that boundary and then become good friends like what what can ruin that relationship at this point some of the best people we know are people that we've had sex with i mean like well it does you know we say like there's no emotions there's no attachment but it is you know you've given somebody something that's so important like you know uh i love the way that uh mr life of spice says that have you heard this from him so he says it's like sharing your lamborghini with somebody right it's like well it's really nice to have a lamborghini right it looks it looks good in the car you know good in your garage it's fun to drive it's nice that everybody turns their head and look at it but if you have like a really good friend that you really trust like you almost get some some value out of letting them drive it and seeing how happy they are to drive i can hear him right yeah yeah this is yeah this is uh it's like yeah that is pretty nice mr life is quite right it's like yeah it's nice to have a lamborghini but it's also nice to like let somebody drive it once in a while and see that's see how happy that that makes them and that to me that really is what kind of swinging is it's like yeah i love my wife and i love fucking her and it's like the best sex ever but like when you you know meet somebody that you trust and you've seen the way they drive their car and that that you know they're very safe with it and you know and you you're like okay like i'd give you my keys like go ahead take her take it for a spin and that's that's kind of what it is watching lacy and both is freaking hot like i always like i can't stop watching i know i love watching too yeah the the uh secrets was pretty good.
Yeah, it was really good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was like, this is happening. It was just you all. You guys went to each other the whole night. Yeah, you two. Yeah, a couple people tried. I was like, no.
Dan's's right around being a whore again and Lacey's just in the corner with Bo for like a good hour or two yeah we were in our own little world I just sat there and watched I looked and Dan was like clear across the room yeah you know Dan loves some Daphne and he hadn't seen her in a long time and he was like that was the first time we'd seen them in a long time that was the first time I met yeah yeah and like I was sitting there even after everybody was done the only people that were left were Daphne and Daddy Mike and I literally I don't know.
long time that was the person i met yeah yeah and like i was sitting there even after everybody was done the only people that were left were daphne and daddy mike and i literally popped a squat right there on the beds and was just like yeah i think bo's like you're being weird i was like i'm not being weird i am just watching people have sex like it's like real life porn like if you haven't like even if you're thinking about getting in the lifestyle and you're not ready to swap yet, just going to a club and being in that atmosphere is such a fucking turn on.
Like, you could go and lock a room so no one's going to see you or go back to your hotel room and have hot, amazing sex and talk about all the things that you saw. Like, that in itself is, like, so hot. Now, I would say if you don't know the couple, maybe don't get right up and keep up this together.
yeah if you know them and put your face right in there and watch it because it's hot as fuck but okay so back to them right okay so so you guys do trapeze you meet some couples you kind of stumble your way through some mistakes you start learning your boundaries i feel like maybe at this point you start getting more comfortable in your skin in the in the lifestyle um is that is that accurate or am i misrepresenting anything no i i would say that's accurate i think it's still a journey it's always going to be a journey yeah and we're still learning as we go i mean we've come a long way um i would say that the life the lifestyle has been the best thing that ever happened to me personally because when i started the lifestyle which led to a lot of our issues i had a lot of self-esteem issues yeah it brought it had you work on your self-esteem issues yeah absolutely and it's like therapy it's really therapeutic yeah to have other people desire you and actually be able to tell you that.
Felt up that confidence. You really ground. In normal life, you hope somebody desires you and stuff, but they can't tell you because that's the vanilla life. We're not allowed to tell each other how we feel about somebody's wife or husband. Because it's bad. Yeah, that's right.
I can really relate to that because a lot of people think that like swinging is all about fucking each other and for me personally that is a bonus but really and truly i love the flirting i love the like cat and mouse like is it gonna happen is not i love the dressing up i love the social part to me the fucking and having sex is just like the cherry on top that's just like pretty hot and fun there's so much more and like somebody wanting you and somebody making you feel good it's just like you you can't you can't buy that and the fantasizing about it before it happens i love the chase after it goes for weeks months sometimes i think that's like a misconception about the left side just think they just think oh it's just like all about who we're gonna fuck next what we're gonna do next and that's it's not it's about just like what he just said the self-esteem being wanted by somebody it's it's really fucking hot even when you're wanted by your partner for sure it's still for sure but somebody else wanting you it's like he i know he wants me right i know he does but for somebody like if beau wants me i'm like oh hell yeah i got it going on yeah you know it's interesting you know beau was talking about has helped him with his self-confidence but if you don't know beau i mean he's a six foot three.
Four. Or four. Five. Like, in shape. Like, you know. Like, hot dude. Yeah, I mean, I'm not too. He's a good looking dude, right? And especially in the lifestyle. Like, I don't know. There seems to be not the best looking. Well, thank you. But what I'm saying is, like, you know, hearing Bo say, well, he's got self-confidence issues. You know, like, it's crazy that that's a thing, and it definitely is, and it is part of the lifestyle. That's nice. But that's the best part about the pineapple life is everybody's accepting of each other. There's something for everybody. Yeah.
But the lifestyle is weird in that way, too, because once you go lifestyle, if you enjoy it and you stay in it, it's hard to look back. Yeah, it's hard to look back and say like you see your normal people you work with every day and you think they're not enjoying just the little things that we enjoy well it's great i mean i've had conversations with guys at work that say like well we have sex like once a month and you know and they, you know, and they're talking about like all these girls online and porn and all that.
And I'm just like, Oh, like, I wish I could show you the world that I live in. You know what I mean? Like, I wish, like, I want to tell you a story, you know what I mean? But obviously I don't and I can't, but, um, it is crazy to look back, you know, cause you know, I was previously married and went through some of those type of struggles in my relationship. So it is interesting how rewarding the lifestyle can be, especially if it's done the right way. We have a perfect scenario that we were we were eating dinner the other night.
It was, I mean, just at a Mexican restaurant and there's a group of men and they're there.
They're coaches and parents of a rugby team because you can tell they've got all the rugby stuff on and ash looks at me and says you know they're looking at me well they're looking at me but she's like what do you think they do like what would if you told their your story to them how would they what would they think and i'm like they could never understand it right like they we live that fantasy that they live in their mind yeah you know that we definitely have a great life it's crazy like if i told them that story they'd be like no way and you know like here's the link yeah well yeah the second part about that is though they probably would also jump to judge you very quickly say knee-jerk reaction would be to judge but at the same time they're probably married and had you not been there they probably would have hit on ashley and probably would you know if they're traveling for a game or whatever they probably i'm sorry ash and somebody probably would have dated they probably would have brought her back to their hotel room you know if they thought they could get away with it and nobody would know you know i mean so like i guess that's the part that bothers me is i think most people given the opportunity would do a lot of the things that we do but they don't out of fear of judgment but they'll they'll do almost worse things behind closed doors and somehow be self-righteous about that and that to me that's what kind of yeah irks me a little bit about the vanillas out there so to speak yeah they'll watch they'll watch what we do and really enjoy it but meeting somebody who actually does it i'm like okay how different are you from enjoying watching it yeah when you're watching it right they're probably the same guys that are subscribed to you you know you're you're on lacy's only fans and you know like like you said fantasizing about it but they but if they found out in public with their friends they would they would you know judge us right yeah um okay so where does tiktok come in how does that how do you get on tiktok what TikTok with the Kraken Beards.
So did you just like watch TikTok? No, no, I did. I did a couple like quick, cute, like swinger ones. Oh, okay. And then I guess it got me to... So like, had you been watching Swing Talk?
Like before you made tiktok dan's dan's cheesy out of the shower oh my god hi swing talk or you know what's up swing so yeah so you saw swing top videos and then you were like i'm gonna do this yeah and i would i did a couple cheesy ones like dan yeah we all gotta start somewhere right and then somehow i came across uh the kraken beards on tiktok live on tiktok yeah um so if you don't know the kraken beards yeah they're um on tiktok it's kraken beards wifey and kraken beards mr kraken beards mr and mrs kraken beards yeah go by now okay so yeah they're on tiktok you can find like i'm sure they're tagged in some of our videos so it's like a year and a half in the making we were just going live together i would be on their lab or they would be on ours just talking back and forth and we finally got to meet them in nashville and i was like oh my god yeah bring it over here i mean i just love her i love her energy they're so sweet so were you worried about like showing your faces i know that y'all live in the south as well as I do so I think that we can probably relate on that I'm like in the bible belt in a smaller town so I'm you know like have like were you at all worried or are you just like fuck it we're doing it like did y'all have this conversation we didn't really have the conversation I was like fuck it because um the i'm fortunate to work for a small business and both of my bosses are complete freaks and my biggest subscribers so i was like i'm not gonna get in trouble but you didn't worry about your family or anything like that i mean like my family's yeah that's a it's a whole different story okay so no you didn't have any worries so you were just like completely fuck it and beau was like i honestly didn't even think about it from beau's side okay fuck up number four fuck up number four oh yeah but um i love that hey babe i'm just gonna totally i'm noting a trend here but uh after a while i was like are you good?
So I do clear things with him and he was hesitant at first, but he's more open to it now, but he does still have some worries. I'll be honest with you. I fought TikTok for a long time. Like I was like, the guy who's like wearing a bunny.
but i told her i was like god damn i don't need another social media in my life right there's so much out here now and she would send me these videos and i'm like honey i can't open this i don't have tiktok downloaded so she kept trying to send me these videos and then i still did not have tiktok at this point but she brought me out on the front porch and she was actually doing a dual live with the krakenbeards and that was the first time i had ever seen them before and like them me and mr krakenbeards talked back and forth dallas really wasn't in the picture quite that much yes it was it actually started off with him yeah which was a weird dynamic now that now she's transitioned into the tiktok girl right and we just said a lot better on tiktok yeah for sure but we we just um we just talked i talked to him and he's so down to earth and just had a good time yeah i started so i finally now then dale noted tiktok for the first time and i scrolled through the videos and i hadn't hit the fy the fip of tikt swing talk yet but as she would send me videos and stuff once you start on it once your algorithm figures out what you're looking at they uh they'll start pumping it to you it It wasn't until my viewers grew and I had, I think, that one that had, like, 50,000 views.
He was like, okay, I'm going to get on this. And he shared it. He created his own, shared it. And he mostly just shares some of mine. But this past month, he started sharing his own, making his own. And he's, like, growing.
And I'm like, go, baby like go baby go baby go so so y'all created obviously the tiktok persona that i am i think you you love it you secretly love it i mean it is it has been a wild ride but after trapeze with y'all and then of course your podcast and i became we became the fireball couple at that point if you don't know that story you should definitely go back and listen to nashville 2.0 i think it's the trapeze review episode is when we talk about them no no no i call him the fireball guy because he gave me fireball oh no but that's when we became that The trapeze review.
It's a trapeze review. It's the episode, yeah. Okay. So, the story from Nashville gets told where we become the fireball couple. And then it also leads into our first swinging experience. And then, like, the legend is born. The legend is born. Well, I mean, you know. I love it. Yeah, I love it, it too i hadn't changed my name on tiktok yet at this point everybody wanted to know who the fireball couple was and i'm sitting there watching people's lives going fuck that's me you know so and it just it kept sticking people kept asking. And I was like, I feel like I got something here.
I feel like I can take this and run with it. And you did. You did. And then she was, at this point, she was starting to really hit big. And I was like, I can take this Mr. Fireball thing to another level. And I can help make her, get her where she needs to be.
And we tag team the hell out of it now on that note there is you know you guys are public now we do know you you know we're not going to say too much but you got you specifically bo comes from a pretty prominent family in the area that you're from um that it's very well known there you know um do you worry that people are going to find out that there's going to be backlash that people will you know i don't know if has any friends and family found you guys yet or have you been kind of outed and gone through that experience um i know we have other friends going through that yeah a little bit um so yeah my background's a little a little crazy to be a swing talker at this point because i do i i do come from a conservative like religious background and i was raised to to believe certain things that i absolutely don't believe now i mean it's crazy to think back even 10 years ago i wasn't prejudiced but i saw the world from a different set of eyes yeah yeah i was very close i can relate to that and a lot of the people that I'm really close to now and love that's within the Swing Talk community, I would have probably not given them my time because I didn't agree with some of the things that they do now, which is sad.
It's not that I, they, I wasn't necessarily raised that way. I wasn't raised to, it was just, it was a tall reality. You know, it's just. A product of your environment. Of course, of course. He grew up very sheltered with a family that was in politics. And when he married me, he was in for a wild rash. Yeah, I kind of get that from y'all.
That he's like the more sheltered one one you're like the wild child of like i am but i try not to scare him too much yeah yeah i try to keep like i always say are you okay babe are you good you want to keep going do you want to stop yeah uh do we need to reevaluate do we need to discuss things further so i don't just like throw him into anything i don't force him yeah but when yeah but when people say that i'm blossoming or really coming out of my shell that's a real thing yeah like i i've had a real shell around me from i mean they've seen how much yeah yeah we have definitely so yeah i i like i say i i fought it for a long time and i'm at that point that there are certain people i hope don't find out about it because i just don't it's an awkward conversation it is an awkward conversation and it just they don't need to know like they can live their life everybody else i don't really care at this point i've had a few friends uh which i would consider close friends make that awkward phone call or text message like hey guess what i heard yeah oh it's the worst and you're like and when you know when you hear that hey guess what i heard you know what's coming yeah oh yeah then sometimes it's like something unrelated and you're like oh my god thank god every time dan's parents call we're like holding this a phone call?
Because they have to know. But then sometimes they subscribe, and it's cool. But I've had, I've been lucky. I've had the experiences that you all hope for. It's the, well, I don't know that I could ever do it, but, hey, man, it's your life. I love vicariously through you, do you. I wish more people were like that. I wish they were. So if you're listening to this and you are vanilla, I mean, obviously you're open if you're listening to us, but we do have a lot of vanilla people. You know someone that is, like, that's the best way to handle it.
And we have somebody in our group who's actually getting a lot of scrutiny right now, and it's heartbreaking. It is very heartbreaking because what we choose to do behind closed doors Thank you.
Thank know, so with TikTok, you know so with tiktok you know do you have goals of raising awareness you want to help future generations you want to normalize the lifestyle you want to change laws and like what's what's the goal here what's the long term absolutely now i know i'm spoiled in the fact that i can still have a job i actually have three jobs and i can do this but i don't think there's different people who have been Thank you.
and the fact that I can still have a job, I actually have three jobs and I can do this, but I don't think, there's different people who have been judged throughout time for sexual preferences that are becoming more popular now, and I think this will get there, we're in the very early stages, but what you do behind closed doors doesn't have anything to do with... It shouldn't be this taboo. You work. It just really shouldn't. I totally agree. Yeah. It feels like it for us because we are going public with it. Yeah. But in reality, you don't go to work and talk about what we do. No. You don't.
So it shouldn't make a difference at all. Right.
And I know somebody else who's been impacted by recently, but I'm not going to yeah um it it will change with tom i think the more that we talk about it the better it will be yeah i think it's inevitable i think if you look at the numbers just if you use just tiktok as an example right i mean it was it's gone from a hundred thousand views when we first started swing talk to you know i don't say not us personally but when it first started and then uh you know it's at like one and a half billion or something like that now so i mean there's a lot of non-monogamous people you know whether they identify as swingers they identify as poly they identify as you know just wanting to have a threesome you know or whatever the case may be you know bisexual um and bringing girls into the relationship whatever you know i think it's a pretty wide umbrella of who's interested in and doing these of things um you know within the realm of non-monogamy but i think there's a lot of people out there um that can relate to us and and you know even though maybe they can't openly support us i think they're you know they're watching the videos they're they're cheering for us um behind closed doors and um i think you know slowly that'll get more and more acceptable and there's even stigmas in the lifestyle from people in the lifestyle oh yeah yeah we talked bisexual men is one of the i know we've had personal conversations about that but it definitely there is some microcosms big doors that need to be knocked down all right whether it's hot wife couples bisexual men i mean there's a lot of um stigmas well and to add to that we do have a friend that's currently going through um some pretty public being outed being outed and her and i were having a private conversation about custody because i'm divorced she's divorced and she made the comment well how did your ex handle it because her ex said she could only see her daughter on supervised visits because she was a swinger and i said well first of all that's that's not how the courts work he doesn't get to decide and like to me that's like the fact that somebody would think that that was okay like because what she does buy in closed doors when her daughter's not there like to me like what type of world are we living in like and i i we always hate to compare ourselves to like the lgbt cute yeah we we don't we because they obviously are not able to love who they want publicly and i don't want to face physical violence yeah i don't want to love a primary partner but like some of the struggles we can relate to see that i could see like you know 15 20 years ago oh yeah i'm also having that same and to be fair they still have some of those struggles as far as like adopting children and you know it's not 100 um you know they're not yeah but like what does that matter it just i don't know that like infuriates me it shouldn't even be part of it it's not it doesn't matter like it just doesn't it's just i I don't know that like infuriates me.
It shouldn't even be part of it. It's not, it doesn't matter. Like it just doesn't. It's just, I don't know. But that's, that's, I know that's our mission. And I definitely feel like you guys are, are strong supporters of that. And I mean, we're, yeah, we're definitely on board for anything. Large scale. I like large scale. Oh, yes, you do. I mean, Costco too. I personally, I mean, I personally, I have, goals. I mean, and mine are a little smaller right now, small scale, because I have a different perspective than a lot of people.
I think Lacey has a similar, um, and I come from a background that a lot of people, especially where're from come from and from a self-esteem issue and i think i have a lot to offer people and that's why i enjoy the lives you do have a lot to offer maybe not just in that way you know she doesn't necessarily like doing the lives and i tend to take over because i love answering people's questions yeah well it can be draining to sit there and get bombarded it also can be rewarding you know can be lacy's like me i'll look at lacy and i do the same thing when you get red i'm like i saw you earlier today like using your hair to cover your neck i'm like she does the same thing she is stressed she's getting frustrated i hate going live but i like interacting with people i know it's a double-edged sword i enjoy helping people i enjoy getting the comments that say because of what you're doing i feel more confident me and my husband have her first i love all of that but they're all it's also the internet and there's also mean horrible humans on the internet they're just that know how just how to pick at you the right way oh yeah like if there's one thing that's going to bother you that day they're going to point it out yeah i actually had somebody message me as a female today on tiktok and said hey can you give me advice and i was like this is kind of the first time this has ever happened to me i actually somebody reached out on a personal level and i said i can send some your way if this is i said i said absolutely yeah and it was um she was like we've been married for 10 years and uh we've been together for 15 and i don't know how to anymore.
She said, we've found a couple that we really vibe with, and you have any advice on what I should do? I don't want to screw it up and us lose this couple. So I told her how I like to be flirted with. What did you say? What? So I know. What did you say, so I know? Well, I told her.
I was like, you know, you don't want to come across too aggressive this is the first time y'all ever meet this person i said but you know i like that when you talk dirty oh okay if y'all are at a restaurant make sure you can sit where you can see each other eye to eye and if he looks at you lock eyes with him and smile i said that that's a flirt but it's a little thing and he that's showing interest i said if you by some chance can sit beside him and and y'all actually get to talk one-on-one i said that's a flirt i said now if you as you get comfortable touch him on the back touch him on the shoulder i was like you don't have to rub his leg that's great advice though i said those little things as long as you show you're interested in them Thank you.
him on the shoulder i was like you don't have to rub his leg that's great advice though i said those little things as long as you show you're interested in them that's what that's what men want just don't wait until the spouse walks away yeah do it in front of the spouse for sure but at the end are you know it's like just a little bit of messaging back and forth at the end she's like wow that's huge that really helps i'm gonna do that like i'm gonna do that exact same that exact thing and i was like this is why we do what we do yeah i love that that's my favorite part i mean i even get like the other day on snapchat i had a girl was like okay i'm freaking out it's our first um swinger bit what do i wear so like me and her went back and forth and i helped to pick out an outfit and then she bought me earrings off my amazon wishlist i was like girl you don't have to do that she was like no you help me like now i have an outfit now i feel confident i'm like you didn't have to buy me anything but like that's what we're here for like that's super rewarding that five minutes that i spent helping her just like for you that few minutes you have so sweet do i need to buy you earrings You dressed me at the last event.
Oh, yeah. Sure. You can buy me earrings. All right. Deal. No, I'm just joking. I love dressing people. It's fun. You just have to go down on her. Yeah. You paid me back. Ash always pays back the women. She's a girl favorite. This is awesome. I love it. Okay, so I think that pretty much wraps up our time. But I appreciate you guys, one, coming to the hotel room and doing all the things. It is almost. It's like 11 o'clock at night. Yeah. And two, sitting down with us and doing the podcast. Definitely, you guys will hear more from Ash and Bo. Yes. Mr. Fireball and Mrs. Fireball.
And if you're not, you know, they're on Discord. They're on the swingersociety.net. They're going to be coming to events. Come out, see them, hang out with us, and do all the things. Any last words? Any last messages for the Swing Nation listeners out there? Do I still need to pencil you in for trapeze, or are we good? No, you pencil me in.
I mean, you can pencil me in for five minutes from now that's up to you uh i think dan always wants to pencil yeah any other uh no thanks for having us we've had a good time i want yeah i'm good sorry no we really like y'all like just like on a personal level, I'm kind of picky about guys. Like, I'm not as whore as Dan is, you know? I love my husband, but he, you know, and so we love y'all. I love Beau. I love you, Ashley. Y'all are just like a really cool couple that we really, really vibe with. I feel like I'm the female whore version of Dan. Yeah, I agree. I'm super picky, too.
Well, I mean, I'm'm like i just like it better when you can connect with people yeah and yeah so we appreciate y'all we love y'all and glad y'all are part of the group and keep coming around all right well i think with that folks in a world full of apples be the pineapple be the pineapple guys bye bye you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us, leave a five-star review wherever you're listening. If you want to see more of our content, you can find links to Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram, OnlyFans, and more in the show notes.
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