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We are are your host northern guy and southern girl in today's episode we're gonna mix it up a little bit yeah we're gonna talk about something a little bit different than the norm yeah although i will say it comes from the same place yeah so we're gonna talk about only fans we are and so you know which is a controversial topic who would ever thought yeah for swingers it is which well i don't even know if we want to go down that rabbit hole but maybe we will uh but my point is most of our podcast episodes come from like listener questions or social media questions and it tends to be if we get the same question asked repeatedly uh and sent to us in dms and emails and stuff like that we're like you know what we really should do a podcast about that and that way we have somewhere to point people when they ask that question and we get questions about only fans all the time i know i do when i go like to talk live and stuff there's always someone in there like can you give me advice for starting and only fans i get that all the time right so today's episode we're calling should i start an only fans yeah so we're just going to kind of go over some broad strokes about only fans what it is and if you are somebody that's listening and you've either considered to start only fans or maybe you're just you know starting out inans, this is some stuff that you should consider.
And I think depending on how this goes, if people like this, I mean, we can do more of these. Yeah, I mean, this is definitely not like on the topic of swinging. However, swinging and OnlyFans, in my opinion, goes hand in hand. I was a swinger before we had OnlyFans.
A a lot of swingers record even if it's just for their own personal like use so i think i think there's something to be said i think there is a relationship there between swinging and only fans at least i say that somebody else would probably disagree with me yeah well i think at the end of the day you know the swing nation podcast is a sex positive podcast yeah not every i mean we talk about you know hormones we talk about you know we've talked about a lot of subjects that aren't necessarily just about swinging yeah now they all kind of are in that realm or or can relate or have something to do with that subject but it's not just swinging so all right so we're going to talk about should i start in only fans and we get asked this question probably almost daily um it is funny i look at only fans another similarity between only fans and swinging is people won't you know if you say it publicly like oh i have an only fans page everybody's like oh man look at her that's bad and then like once the group walks away one or two people will be like so tell me more about that only fan like how does that work how much money do you make yeah is it you know like so i think there's a lot of people that kind of turn their nose down at only fans publicly turn their eyes up or whatever yeah but privately they're they're very interested in the subject um okay so same with swinging right that's what i'm saying that's the very similar worlds like people when they're around vanillas or around society and you bring up the subject they all kind of like laugh and make fun of it and then then they message you later that day and we're like so how did you start yeah and how much money i've gotten so many of those like on my private Facebook.
I've gotten so many people that have asked, yeah, how do I do this? Well, like no one knows. So we're going to talk about that today. We're going to talk about all that. All right. So before we get started in that, what is OnlyFans? Maybe there's somebody listening and they listen to us because their assistant is swinging, but they don't know what OnlyFans is.
Well, it doesn't have to be erotic um videos and pictures only fans was kind of created almost like a patreon type service similar to that yeah so i've read a few a bit on this it seems conflicted some people say it started as an adult content platform okay and then as it grew it tried to become more mainstream but then other people have said like what you're saying is that it started not just adult content and then kind of so i'm not 100 sure the the exact history of it but but what's on there completely is up to the creator if you don't want to show your face you don't have to show your face if you don't want to show your vagina you don't have to you could just do pictures you i mean it's what one person chose on their only fans could be vastly different from another person so just because someone has an only fans it might just be them in lingerie you know which is essentially like a bathing suit so it just because they have only fans doesn't mean that it's full-on porn right so essentially it's a it's an online platform um where content creators can monetize their content and like lacy's saying it doesn't it doesn't have to be adult content I don't know.
online platform um where content creators can monetize their content and like lacy's saying it doesn't it doesn't have to be adult content only fans there back you know a couple years ago they tried to actually tried to get rid of adult content altogether and they wanted like chefs and they wanted like personal trainers and you know anybody that might be some kind of subscription based um content creator they were looking to go that route my understanding is that didn't work out so well from them i think i think they started in adult content and that's kind of the the cornerstone of their platform but they did try to go a little more mainstream but anyway so essentially it works is you can subscribe to somebody there's two options you can either pay a monthly subscription and get like all of their content or there's an option where you can actually pay to unlock individually individual content and really only fans is very good at like letting you structure it like like letting you structure and monetize your content better than any other because i mean some of the other platforms are now trying to get into that instagram now you can make like private stories and have a subscription base for that and i think twitter a lot of mainstream social media is trying to allow content creators to monetize their content as well i don't think any of those would allow adult content but only fans is very good at that that process all right so for those out there that are maybe considering starting anans page, what are some things that you think they should consider before starting?
There is a very good chance, and I would assume if you make an OnlyFans, I would assume that everyone in your family is going to find out. Can people do it without people finding out? Yes. Is it super hard? Yes.
But when you put your body,'s say if you like cut your face off there are just some identifying markers on your body even if you don't have tattoos you know there's moles there's breezes there's so you run that risk of everyone finding out so I think before you really dive in you need to ask yourself if everyone found out what would my reaction be and how would I deal with it and I think that's something that everyone should think of and and to be honest we thought about that and we were like oh it'll be okay it it wasn't okay so like whatever you think your reaction would be it the truth is is that you don't really know how you'll react in that moment um yeah yeah i think some of these societal implications that come to having this type of page have to be seriously considered yeah i mean think about i mean if you if unless you've been living under a rock all of a sudden all these teachers busted with having OnlyFans.
And it's like literally our local news shared multiple stories of teachers that don't even live anywhere near us. So it's not like local news. This is like national news.
I've seen recently where a mom had her OnlyFans handle on the back of her car and her kids were in a private school and the kids got kicked out of the private school or suspended i don't know so like there are huge you know you could lose a lot and be outed with this not only like just if your family sees it but you know your career your kids it could be affected your parents could be i mean it goes it has waves it's not just like you get affected by it yeah that whole conversation and i think we didn't fully consider that before we started yeah i mean like dan and i really did have conversations about this like okay so if we make an only fans what happens um stuff like that and i i was like oh i'll be okay i'll be okay and was, I was not okay when it happened.
And, you know, just to bring swinging back into this a little, I was not, because everybody found out I was a swinger and I had OnlyFans at the same time. I was not ashamed of being a swinger. I was okay with it. I was ashamed that I had OnlyFans and that's how we were making our income. That is what bothered me the most. And I couldn't control that and that everybody knew. So as a female, that was a See you next time.
how we were making our income that is what bothered me the most and i couldn't control that and that everybody knew um so as a female that was a very very hard for me uh a female who lives in the same hotel that she's lived her whole life you don't live here which is a southern conservative yeah yeah you're not from here you don't know anybody so you're like i don't give a fuck me on the other hand i was very um it was hard it was hard i would post uh flyers like on street lamps and stuff if you'd let me oh he would so anyway it's just something to really think about and think hard about it because even though you feel you feel like you're um you're prepared for it until you get that first phone call where somebody finds out or that first text that says we need to talk I don't think anything can truly prepare you for them yeah and I think a lot of people start thinking nobody is going to find out about this and the problem is like you said you can't control who's going to see it and it's almost impossible to keep your identity completely um sealed well i think you're risking it even if you don't show your face there's something on your body or something in the room that you're in or there's something that it can identify you i don't care who you are right And then it takes one person.
As soon as one person finds it, identifies you, then everybody's going to know. And people have done it. I don't want to scare you. So people have been able to have OnlyFans and remained anonymous. But the vast majority of people have been outed. Like you might hear, we have one friend that they were that they were able to keep it under the wraps and they ended up doing it. They kept it open for a few years and then they closed it and moved on. And they never were outed. But the vast majority of people are outed. Right.
You essentially have to, if you're going into it, assume that it could or is likely to happen. Yeah. Okay. All all right so moving on uh what other kind of things would you consider before before starting this what you're going to do like what your boundaries are just like swinging if we want to again throw it back to swinging you need to have clear boundaries and i think we didn't we didn't really talk about that like we just kind of went. Honestly, I just wanted to get like my nails done. Like let's make a hundred dollars of mine.
And you know, what was pictures of me quickly turned into me masturbating and then turned into like us having sex on camera or having sex with other couples that we were swinging with on camera.
So I think like, had I had to to redo it i probably would have set clear boundaries and stuck to those yeah and that's a good conversation to have because it is once you get into this it is easy to like it to kind of control yeah yeah because like you see the money coming in you know i mean like let's just be honest you see like that number going up every month and you're like oh well if we just do this then so i feel like it almost like the money aspect or you once you get in and you meet maybe a few other content creators and you see that they're talking about how much money they're making doing x y and z and you're like and if you would stop and like look at yourself in five years and say do i want to be known for this is it am i okay with this am i okay if my children find out about this am i okay with my mom and dad i think these are all like valid things that you need to think about right because i definitely feel like once you have an only fans you have this like mark on you like like almost like once you were a stripper you have have that, even though I think highly of strippers.
We're completely against that, right? Like, Oh yeah, completely against it. This is the part and this is, we're getting a little bit off on a tangent, but this is the part I struggle with, right? So we're so proud of being swingers and we're, we're willing to kind of put our face out, say her and say, this is okay. But then when it comes to only fans, it's almost like, uh, to me, I really feel the same way about only fans that have still a lot swinging is we should be loud and proud about it.
Cause truly, I don't, there's nothing about it that I think is not ethically or morally correct i don't i don't think there's anything wrong with it ethically or morally i feel confident in that but i just never really grew up to want to be a porn star you know it's not like i don't mind that we've done only fans and i'm okay with it but like i kind of hope at some point that we could graduate to not have to have OnlyFans or maybe just do it because it's fine. You know, I think now it's, it is our income. So it's our job. Right.
But I do believe that like, it doesn't matter if you've had OnlyFans or you've been a stripper or if you've been what an escort or whatever. So I think that makes you're still a good human. Right.
And that should stand should stand above all the things but unfortunately we live in a society where people put that stamp on you and you're a sex worker and this is what you've done and that's what they're gonna know about you yeah now i do think it does seem like only fans in general is kind of more normalizing that 100 because you're hearing more and more about these you know nurses and teachers and think about like when we were in high school or shortly after like Paris Hilton Kim Kardashian these sex tapes like that like I mean luckily they were able to survive that was a major you know and now it's not I think OnlyFans has kind of made it more mainstream yeah kind of normalize some of that okay and then the third note we have here is you and your partner need to get on the same page about what those so if you're going to do full-on porn you and your partner need to kind of agree on that if you're just going to do faceless nudes if you're just going to do you know whatever some people i mean you maybe just want to do lingerie yeah i mean we know people that have only fans pages and that's all they do is kind of show their boobs sexy lingerie or just show boobs well you know you get on the same the same page about that.
And like you're saying, stick to that. And if you're going to change it, which I think is OK to change, have a conversation. Yeah, I just think that you need to have a serious conversation about what you're about to do and what that means for you and for, you know, for if you get out it or I just think that it's not to be taken lightly. Yeah, because I mean, we have about, like, people starting OnlyFans pages and their partner not even knowing they had a page, and that's kind of, you know.
Now, keep in mind, we're going to talk about it, but, like, you couldn't post your partner without their, you know, they have to be approved. But, yeah, you could have your own and them not know, and it's just you.
Right, like you said, you know, you're trying to make a for the side to get your nails in your hair yeah you just don't tell me god could you imagine no it's happening it's happening out there i'm sure it is yeah okay um all right let's talk financial considerations right because i think the biggest draw for a lot of people is you know they're on tiktok and on social media and they see these influencers that are talking about it and they're making millions of dollars to be honest with you i get caught up in that because i think about it like these people that are making like two and three hundred thousand dollars a month and i'm like what would that like can you imagine how amazing that would be i can't let's find out i know go ahead sorry i i interrupted you no but i think that is the draw draw there is this you know because i you see these influencers on social media they're driving lamborgunis and their license plate says only fans on it and which i think is cool and awesome yeah but that's what people think if oh i just have to start an only fans page and that's going to be my like i think people think that you start only paying page and like you post a couple of pictures and like the money starts raking in all right and the truth on that is and i just looked up these stats the average person with an only fans page makes don't a hundred and eighty dollars a month i'm not laughing i mean like but you know truth be told when we started our only fans i would have been happy with 150 i remember making that first 180 i remember the first 50 we made i was like holy shit we've made it you know um but because we both had full-time jobs at the time so that was just purely extra money um that doesn't surprise me though there are so many creators on only fans yeah there's over a million i think it was like one point i don't know over a million creators um and it said something like you know that top one percent then is only you know a small percentage of that and so the amount of people that make could make a salary to where you could survive off of it is really that top one two percent yeah i was gonna say we i don't know if these is in your notes but i think if it's not it needs to be worth mentioning you hear people say i'm top one percent or i'm top two percent can you explain to like your average person that doesn't have an only fans of what that means yeah so it's it's not a hundred OnlyFans doesn't tell you like how they calculate what the top 1% or top 2% is.
But what OnlyFans does do, and it's kind of clever, and I don't know if they even did this on purpose or an accident, but they tell you what percentage creator you are. So if you're in the top tier, they say you're top 1%, 2%.
So they essentially rank everybody that's on their platform yeah and you can be less than one percent so like zero point zero five or whatever so that they they give you your ranking um in the platform and it it does motivate people care about the content we creators we know really everybody cares really care about their percentage well and like if you want to make content with someone you typically that that is a conversation to be had like where what percent are you like it kind of lets you know how seriously they're taking their only fans because if they're really working it and doing everything they're supposed to they're going to be low in that number and i don't i don't know the exact numbers but you know from when we've these marks, I would say if you're in the top 1%, you're making somewhere around 10 grand a month.
Yeah. Roughly. That's like one point. That fluctuates every day, right? That's not below one. That's exactly one on the dot, right? Yeah. Then so, but then it exponentially goes down. So 2%, you might only be making three or four or five grand a month.
And then, you know, as, as you go down you go down from there so really if you're not up top let's just say roughly three percent creator you cannot live off your you could not survive off your only fans money alone you have to be a side hustle so it means if you're considering going into only fans know that 97 or more of the people that are on this platform and making content could not make a living off of just their content yeah so i think that's just you know 97 percent of the people that try to do this don't fail but essentially could not do it as a sole income purpose and i think people don't realize that they think everybody that joins the platform is just money's raining from the sky yeah and that's not the case yeah i agree okay um and this is kind of goes on right it takes a lot of effort right yeah and i think and this is equally important what people don't realize is only fans by itself isn't really like its own social media platform as in like it doesn't organically push you out to people.
Yeah. So like when you post something, there isn't like a news feed or like, like a FYP kind of like TikTok. It's just on your page. So someone has to go and type in your name to find you to like actually see that picture.
It's going to get pushed out to people if that makes sense right so it's not like if you went to only fans and started pushing and posting content just on only fans nobody's ever going to find you right unless nobody's going to organically find you through only fans so essentially what you have to do is you have to self-promote yourself and what content creators do is they self-promote themselves on other social media. So that's how you get outed. Right. Yeah.
So just making an OnlyFans and posting one, you know, a few pictures is in itself is not, you're not really, I mean, I guess if your name is Mandy, they could type in Mandy or Jenniferifer or whatever they could type in that and find all the but they wouldn't do that right because they're looking for the content creators that they found on tiktok or instagram so basically like dan was saying you have to promote so like you have to put your content out there and make people realize oh i wonder if this girl has only fans or guy i don't want to discriminate against the guys. Correct.
You also have to follow the terms and conditions and guidelines of whatever platform you're using. And some platforms are more strict than others. Some can be strict for certain people and not for others. It just kind of depends what you can get away with and it's hard to get your right stuff out there so to give people an idea we promote and this isn't just only fans we promote our podcast and everything else we're doing too on these platforms but we're on facebook instagram x which formerly known as twitter miss and it's now X. Reddit. What else am I missing? Twitch. Clapper. Clapper.
TikTok. TikTok, yeah. So we're on like seven or eight platforms. Yeah. And we post on all of those platforms between three and five times a day. Yeah. so like our posting schedule is essentially like a full-time job between what everybody's doing yeah yeah like dan i have someone that helps us it requires that much work yeah i don't know if you look at what we do in a week as far as social media posting and then onlyFans posting and then, you know, the TikToks and podcasts, one person could not. It would be impossible.
I mean, it's got to be 100 hours of work each week to keep those social media platforms up and running. And that's what it takes to get into that top 1% type tier. I mean, that's the kind of effort that it takes. So just to give people a realistic idea on how much work goes into this platform. Mm-hmm.
top one percent type tier you know i mean that's the kind of effort that it takes so just just to give people a realistic idea on how much work goes into into this platform another thing of note about um only fans is they take 20 of everything yes and they don't take taxes out and you have to make taxes on anything that you make right so you're going to lose at least you know roughly another 10 so that's 30 of everything you make at a minimum Depending on how much money you make it might be more than that is going out the door before you even see see that money So that's another thing to consider so for every hundred bucks you make you're gonna you're gonna roughly put 70 ish dollars in your pocket.
Yeah Yeah, and that's that's about it as far as like the gist of only fans so i think now it's time to take a break okay hear from the partners and the sponsors and then when we get back we'll talk uh a little bit more about some things to consider if you're considering only fans maybe some of the the risks some of the negativity uh we can even talk about maybe some of the positive things because Because definitely, I'm not going to lie, OnlyFans has had a positive impact, I think, on our life. It has. In the last, over the last couple of years.
So I don't think we need to be all doom and gloom. I know, it seems pretty doom and gloom. I think we're trying to give you a realistic idea. And if it sounds like doom and gloom, we don't mean to do that. We're just trying to, like, be honest. If it works, it's amazing.
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All right, guys, welcome back. Welcome back. Thank you for listening to our sponsors. You have a favorite sponsor today only fans they are not our sponsor they are not our sponsor but you can go you can go and subscribe to mine how do they do that i'm sure you'll link it below oh yeah but the swing nation dot info yeah the swing nation dot info we have three only fans so you can choose which price point you want and check us out. For sure. For sure. Okay. All right. So at this point, our listeners have heard about OnlyFans. They've decided they want to start one, maybe.
They talk to their partner. They're on the same page. What's kind of the next step?
You have to actually get the Only the only fans which in itself can be kind of hard so um in order to put content on only fans and or be tagged in someone's content you have to be an approved creator is that what you call it verified creator and i'll be honest with you it's kind of finicky uh like it'll probably take you about a week so if you get approved within a week i would consider that like a win um you got to hold up a piece of paper with like the date your name you got to hold your id i can't remember because it's been a few years now since we did it but essentially you just have to prove your identity yeah it's like your driver's The picture of you holding your driver's license with your face.
And then I can't remember if they make you write something like the date. Yeah, they're all a little different. We're on a few different adult content platforms. They're all a little different. But that's the gist of it. Pretty much everybody gets denied the first time. Not denied like you can't be on OnlyFans.
More of like you didn't do something right so if you get that just redo it and even if you just do the exact same thing that you did the first time sometimes that's all you got to do it's like they don't want the pictures to be blurry at all yeah they're just kind of finicky so like I said if you get it approved within a week way to go to go. It's just kind of, don't get discouraged. Because we've had friends that were going to get approved so they can make content. But it's not necessarily like make their own content and start like selling.
Like OnlyFans, they just wanted to be able to be in content with us. And like they still aren't approved because they just kind of did it a few times and then got frustrated and quit. But it definitely, you can get it done. It's just, like I said, they're finicky. Okay. Now, before they're making their page, what about their name? Is there anything? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got to come up with a brand. Right. You got to come up with a niche. Is that what it's called? Called a niche. Yeah.
So if you're considering this and you're going to start this, I would come up with your name have your name maybe somewhat associated with your your niche you know whether it's hot wife lacy or you know pineapple lacy or you know like yeah we are kind of in that swinger non-monogamy niche so you know maybe ours would be something to do with that lacy you know ours was when she started was the southern girl, was the Southern girl. Yeah. Because she's obviously Southern and has a very Southern accent. Well, okay, back story. And that's why we say Southern girl and Northern guy.
When we first started dating and we made our very first SLS account, he gave me the job of making it. And I was like, what the hell is our name going to be? And he was born and raised up North.
I was born and raised in the the south so it became southern girl or northern guy and southern girl so when we started this podcast we used that because that was kind of our thing when we started only fans yeah we use it on only fans we use it because we say it on the podcast but really outside of that we don't really use we have stopped using it we have pretty much because the podcast brand is kind of of yeah but that's where the southern girl came from if you're ever curious where that came from but so all of my social all of my only fans uh stuff is the southern girl right so when we first started you had the southern girl i think the southern girl was like your username yeah i had on everything yeah i had instagrams uh tiktok everything and now we've kind of evolved and so it's different but ideally that should all be well we've been forced to evolve because we get banned so yeah but ideally all of your when you decide on a name for your only fans you're going to want to create all of these different platforms with the same name um so that way it's all unified across the board so if people want want to find you, it's super easy to find you.
Ideally. Right. And then picking your niche. Is there any advice you have for what to pick for a niche? Like how do people kind of decide that? I don't know. I think it's really neat how people come up with their, you know, their names. Like think of like Southern Puddles, who is like a huge squirter. It's perfect for her and And her husband's like Mr. Puddles or something like that. Life of Spice. Yeah. I mean, there's really no rhyme or reason.
Just kind of come up with something that you really like because you're going to probably be stuck with it if this goes, you know, if it's successful. Yeah. Pick something you really like. Yeah. I think it gives an inkling about what your pages are. It doesn't have to.
doesn't have to like for instance life of spice that doesn't really give you any indication or the southern girl doesn't really either other than just sounds a little naughty yeah life of spice just sounds yeah so i don't think it necessarily has to relate but i think if you can relate them that's ideal okay um but then i think on top of that your name you do need to come up with like what your stick is going to be because let's be honest there's like a thousand or probably more hot blondes or hot blue brunettes you need to make some find something that makes you stand out no yeah and i think that's very important you know we've kind of had this conversation um with with different people as they're starting only fans and i think the a lot of people want to like you know be that perfect you know like you're saying blonde bombshell porn star or brunette you know bombshell porn star um but what's kind of different about only fans is people are coming to only fans because they want to connect with you yeah right if i just wanted to go see hot girls having sex or doing whatever i could go to porn hub or you know one of these other various platforms and watch that for free i think people come to only fans because they want they want you to seem almost achievable to them like you're a normal person and and that way i think you being not perfect is almost better right yeah i mean even our content like we we try to keep it like amateur but good because if it was professionally shot it we would lose we might as well just put it on like porn hub or some of those bigger sites because people want that like true like amateur type of situation does that make sense right I get I mean since I was a young man I've always preferred amateur porn over professional porn yeah because professional porn you're like is she acting is she enjoying it I don't know and if I can't tell it's then it's hard for me to enjoy it like I don't know there's something at least in my mind or something about i want to know that that's an authentic thing that's happening for me to enjoy it and i think that's why so many people come to only fans because they can talk to you they can message you they can ask you about your day they can you know if you've had surgery and you talk about your surgery like they've connected with you as a person and they're attracted to you right and so i think the more you can kind of tell your story and have people connect with you i think the better you know building an authentic brand where people feel connected with you is kind of the idea of only yeah i agree i like the way you said that now it's not all roses if you put yourself out there on on only fans on any platform really there's going to be criticism oh yeah now the good thing about only fans is it's pretty easy to you're gone right well people are they take a lot to criticize they have to pay right yeah you get their money i will say we almost never get criticized on the only fan platform itself because these people like you said have paid to go get occasionally somebody will get pissed off because they didn't get what they wanted or they feel like they should get more but yeah but on all the other social media yeah it's rough especially for a female i can't speak to the male version of that but as a female it has definitely taken its toll on me i'm pretty sensitive um as it is if you listen to this podcast you i can't deny that i'm pretty sensitive and so as much as i want to um pretend like when people say mean things it doesn't bother me it does and i don't know that i'll ever get to a point where that won't bother me.
And honestly, I don't know that I ever want to be that. I don't want to be so closed off and cold that, you know, hurtful things don't hurt me. But it is definitely part of it. And people will say some terrible things. You have to learn to just kind of deal with it. But it will definitely affect you. Yeah.
And that's i think people don't think about that either kind of this mental that was never like when we were making an only fans never did that ever cross my mind that what if somebody calls me fat or what if yeah like and it's not even that i mean the fat comment's hot but they know like if you have any insecurity like if you're big toe you don't like the shape of it they will find that your big toe is your insecurity and they will pick you apart for that big toe i mean it doesn't matter and it could even be down to like that day you don't feel good about this certain thing and they'll pick up on it um people on the internet are cruel and yeah you're right like the it affects your mental health it affects a lot and you just have to like be emotionally strong to take abuse like that every day or crazy i don't know which one um what about your content being leaked or shared or that's also happened to us um that was extremely hard for me.
I felt very violated.
I felt like a piece of me was like taken away and like just showed to the world and somebody like somebody that would criticize me like well you put it on the internet yeah but I put it behind a paywall and it's watermarked and it's protected so um in the case where ours was leaked this was leaked by an individual who was like out to hurt us so it wasn't watermarked so we couldn't so it was kind of a nightmare to get it down but it was it sucked because it wasn't edited it wasn't um it wasn't the best angle it was with people you know it was a situation that I really probably should have never put myself in in the first place and so that's definitely not something to get over easy I mean honestly it probably took me eight months after that to even like make full-on content after that happened because I felt so I don't know raw if that makes sense I don't know the best word to describe even beyond that.
I mean, I think, you know, you have to acknowledge that if you're going to put adult content on the internet, that it is probably going to escape the confines of where you post it, right? It's impossible to control that 100%.
Now there are services that you can pay for and hire and they will, the internet has gotten a lot better at protecting people in this area and there are things you can do to protect yourself but ultimately at the end of the day there's nothing you can do to stop somebody from taking a screenshot and passing it around amongst parent groups at your kids baseball game right so it's something else just to consider that once you post this if it does if you do get outed which you know more than likely if you do it for long enough is going to happen um you can't control who shares that content and where where it goes um and it's just it does suck yeah it does suck and there are parameters like i know i don't know if you have this in the notes anywhere but there are ways that you can um look down your only fans like based on your state so let's say you live in texas and you don't want anyone in texas to be able to access your only fans you can lock the state down and it basically just gives them an error when they try to like click the link or look you up or he just doesn't show you so there are ways you know to try to protect yourself but there's also right every way you can protect yourself there's a way to get there's a workaround workaround we're not going to tell what those workarounds are here because yeah we don't want everybody to know but yeah um yeah it's crazy the length that people will go to um in addition to that um people leaking private information or what they call doxing which is i never even knew what the word dox meant before so what what does it mean um where they basically tell your identifying information so like your student address your person what you know whatever information you have where you were yeah yeah i didn't even know what that was and we went to secrets once and someone's like they doxed you or somebody i'm like what does that mean i was so naive i had no idea um which then opens up a whole door of like security like do you live in a place that you feel safe what if someone wants to knock at your door do you have children in the house are you alone i mean it opens up a lot of doors to like i don't know it opens up you just have to figure out how you got to come up with ways to make yourself feel safe in your own home which is scary and sad Thank you.
like i don't know it opens up you just have to figure out how you got to come up with ways to make yourself feel safe in your own home which is scary and sad yeah and i think it's why would anybody want an only fans uh we'll we'll hit up some good stuff on the end but uh it is interesting because it really and this is what i'll say it's a double-edged sword right yeah because the more successful you are at this the more money you're going to make yeah the more views you're going to get the more notoriety or the kind of celebrity status you're going to get from all this which that all sounds great but the double-edged sword part of that is the more crazies yeah are going to find you so like now we live in a gated community like we have cameras we've put like measures in place so that way we are safe and we feel safe but you know in the beginning we didn't we didn't have that we weren't making enough money at it but we've worked our way to where we can now but it's just something to think about and at the time i lived alone because you were active duty military and you were gone so you know it was scary yeah there definitely was i mean days of you crying on the phone saying like what the fuck are we doing yeah and it's funny my message has always been the same you know kind of what we talked about here a little bit is don't let them win like you know we are doing good things we've worked so hard we've built you know what i consider to be an authentic you know brand that people connect with and appreciate and you know whether that's the podcast or even even the porn i mean there's people that enjoy that that yeah that you know like it's they i don't like say it's good for them but they they thoroughly enjoy that and are and are happy to pay every month and are ecstatic about it.
And they feel that connection with you. And it's a positive thing for them. Or at least that's what they say, right? And so it's like, why let just some asshole ruin that? Yeah. But the unfortunate part is like, there are people on the internet where they've made it their life just to go try to ruin random strangers' lives. Like, as best as they can. And it's crazy. Yeah. Okay.
It's definitely part of it though all right all right well we got this last 15 20 minutes any any additional thoughts of things we haven't talked about that you think you think are important of keeping up with content i think that's really important because you can only uh masturbate with dildo so many people constantly want more and more and you constantly have to come up with like authentic fun new things for them um and especially if you're doing this like part-time it's probably hard to like you know you probably don't like for instance swingers we don't really have a lot of only events people around us like if we just need a video we can just call somebody up and be like hey can we make a video most of it we know are hours away so we really have to plan you know months you know weeks in advance and so that's why you see a lot of people at events who are do have an onlyans kind of sneak off and make content because you're constantly needing new material, constantly needing pictures.
Whatever holiday is coming up, you need a picture for that holiday. You need a picture for Boss's Day. You need a picture for Mother's Day. I mean, you literally need a picture. I don't know if we did a Boss's Day. I don't know, but I'm just saying.
know but that just gives you a reason to put you need stuff almost every day we post four videos a week in our um yeah so it's important so we talked a little bit about our social media posting right where we post three to five times on social media times 10 social media platforms uh but on on only fans it's the same thing so our schedule is and everybody does it a little different but we send out four videos per week basically three of those videos are videos that we've previously recorded they're not like new releases one video per week is a new a new release video and then every day you post pictures adult content type pictures and depending on which page you are is the level of naughtiness that picture is but so that's you know times three platforms so you know another two or three pictures a day times three it's a lot if you're working a full-time job and you have like children in your home too it's definitely that is something to think about because it is a lot of it's a lot of work and um and you have to find that balance like where do you like how much work is worth the money right and the people we know you know a lot of people that we know that have quit it wasn't so much they quit for ethical or moral reasons it was they're like i can't work a full-time job and keep up with all this it's not worth it to me since i'm only making five six hundred bucks a month right yeah like i'd rather not have the five six hundred bucks and free up all that time that i'm investing into this yeah and we know like swingers that they do their only fans to pay for their swinging stuff so just so they have the extra you know income so they can go to events or go to clubs or stuff like that you know which makes my naughty money to go do naughty things yeah it makes total sense so i just think that's like important also i feel like you're always needing lingerie you're always needing something and so i think that's also something to think about which is that can be fun because you get to buy new stuff all right give me some positives we've we've talked a lot well we've like really only fans we scared you probably scared people they're like frig me like this is a lot what are some of the positive things that have come out well financial freedom a little i mean like we're not like we have to work i mean like we have to do all this stuff if we stopped we are making more money right now than either one of us has ever made in our lives correct and we also get to sleep till 10 we don't answer to anybody yeah and it's nice like we um we are able to travel we are able to provide a wonderful life for our children they're able to go to college paid for they're able to you know travel with.
Travel with us. Vacations we never would have been able to afford before. Yeah. So that in itself is, it makes me feel good. It makes me feel good that when I can donate money to the school or pay for a lunch or, you know, whatever the case may be. I'm very, very grateful for that. Right. So we get out of bed when we want. Yeah.
We work when work when we want yeah what we are calling work is often having sex with our friends and recording it yeah but but even that okay so another positive for me is i don't like taking sexy pictures every day i don't like putting on like that is not who i am i can turn that on you know a couple times okay like once a week a few times a month and so that's how I do my content I plan a day and I'll take a bunch of pictures I'll make a few videos or if we are traveling and we get used we do all of our stuff before after an event we're things have gotten too big now where we can't really do them during the event so like let's say we go in a day early we'll spend the whole day taking pictures making videos doing all the things so so i can take the rest of the month and not have to do that so for me that works out you might be the type of person that doesn't mind doing a boo pic every day.
So it's really whatever works for you. This is just what works for us. I'll say another. I do not think we would have the ability to have the platform we have, right? I really enjoy our podcast. I really enjoy being advocates for the lifestyle. I really like being able to be out about being a swinger and being loud and proud about it without OnlyFans, without this financial freedom. I don't think we'd be able to do that. If I still worked a nine to five job in the company I was in, I would not be able to be as loud and proud as I am now.
And I think a lot of influencers and stuff get shit on by other swingers because they have OnlyFans.
and truth be told if they weren't if they didn't have the financial freedom from only fans they could not be loud and proud because it's very hard to hold down a job and be on social media saying that you fuck your friends i mean that's just the world that we live in and people think we're crazy when we say it we i can tell you a number of friends who've gotten in trouble i've even gotten in trouble you know it's just we know friends have had to get off of social media for that very very reason yeah and they've also lost their jobs i mean so for people who think that you can be a public swinger and still work and it be okay, there are very few jobs where that's the case.
Right. So, you know, my the positive that is us being able to live as our life every day is our authentic self really is a big part of that is thanks to the that we're able to have that financial backing. No, I totally agree. What's another positive?
I actually enjoy the sex part of it and if i'm being in you just said you do too and so i was curious on which way you're going to go like that because there's a lot of people are like oh i don't like the idea it's like it's scripted and you have to go fuck people and like oh that must be so like terrible let me say this i don't like when we know we're going to make only fan content i do feel pressure because you know it's not super organic because we obviously know hey we're meeting up sunday at two to make only fans content like you know it's scheduled um but i will say that we do a very good job of only making content with people that we would actually swing with or we have actually swung with before had like if we were just fucking people to make a movie or something that would be i would feel different about it but i do get i do get anxiety leading up to it just because it's like planned right your body's going to be on film and you're worried about angles well i mean like if me and you scheduled our sex at three o'clock on thursday i would think about it too like okay we're on three o'clock on thursday that's going to happen so i think that just kind of goes with the territory if you schedule something you're going to know about it and you're going to think about it um but i will say that only fans has kind of pushed me to try things and do things that i may not had done without it i agree i like that's my favorite part about it is it's like because like i'm not really a dp girl um but i'll do it on camera because i know it's hot and i know people like it but like truth be told if we're just regular swinging and somebody's like hey you want to do dp i'm like hell no i don't want to do it but like i'll do it for on the camera because I'm not a dummy.
I know people like it and people will pay good money for it. I like it. But I think it's just, you know, I don't know, bunk bed sex. You know, there's just so many things that we've come up with. Like we did like it's 15 girl orgy. Like, you know, that doesn't happen every day.
Like that's cool right you're always trying to make this fresh new and exciting content which which sounds like work but in reality what that ends up meaning is you didn't have this all this fresh new and exciting sex that you might not have people that you would have wanted to have sex with regardless and that's the important part for us it's almost always has basically always been people that we authentically connect with yeah i think we had to reset in the beginning because we kind of got you know how we said make your boundaries and make them clear i feel like we at least i can speak for myself i feel like i kind of got carried away and at some point i had to take a step back and be like okay if i would not fuck them off camera i will not fuck them on camera and that's just like a personal boundary that i've had to set for myself and we have had a couple one day stands if you will with content creators but they've always been people we would a hundred percent fuck if that and it's funny is most of them are probably hotter than what you would like if that was a swinger couple that messaged you on an app you would be like yeah let's do that have i been in like a like when we're on video and maybe the guy doesn't blow me away the way that i felt like he was when we met yeah but you know what that happens in real swinging too right i mean all the time there's guys that i end up being more into than others just because they blow me away more than others.
So, but that's, you know, and I, if I'm going on a tangent here, but if I, if I could, like, if you could take one thing, if you're listening to this away, we get a criticism because people think that, like, this is all for, like, show and stuff like that. We really work hard to make it not that.
And I, i i i really would struggle if it was anything else and so i think that is very important for like the takeaway i know i mean this is just my personal experience but if i was having to like fight people i wasn't into and like it was this big set and things were i would i don't know i wouldn't like that and i wouldn't this i wouldn't feel okay about everything i've enjoyed 99.9 yeah percent of the i can think of experiences three maybe i can think of three that like not that it was a terrible experience but like if i had the opportunity i'd probably like to do it again i'd be like yeah but think about how many like swinging right non-camera i can have or even you know back when i used to do tinder dates when i was single you know i mean like i bet there was a much lower percentage of those that went well than um these that have went well so it's it's all it's all part of it um but uh overall i think what do you if somebody came to you and said i'm considering only fans what would what would you say i would say to think very very hard about it if you're willing to put in the work it can be extremely rewarding and but it also has some pretty negative effects about it so you have to weigh those up you know you have to weigh the risk versus the money versus the work that goes into it.
Because I'd hate to see somebody out themselves and then not put in the work or not have time to do the work. And then they're not making any money and they've outed their – I think had we have not been successful with OnlyFans, this could be a very different conversation. Yeah.
But because we are successful and we have this beautiful home and all these beautiful things and we're able to travel and do all these things i think it makes for a very different conversation it's kind of a happy ending story yeah it is yeah but i do know that like one day this will go away like i don't feel like only fans it's like forever no i definitely feel like it's a temporary i don't know i bet you could be 80s year old and still making some pretty good money i don't know there's a niche for that i think that that might have to change our niche but we could but i think that's a smart way to think about it if you feel like this is forever money then you're probably it's gonna dry out at some point well you remember you remember you need to remember that when you're uh when you go shopping i think you say that now that's when you remember it every time you go shopping uh okay if you were I don't know.
remember you need to remember that when you're uh when you go shopping i think you say that now that's when you remember it every time you go shopping uh okay if you were given a time machine and you could go back to when we first started only fans knowing what you know now would you still do it yeah i would but i i would hope that i could educate myself you would do it maybe differently i it differently. Because you're saying overall you would still take the journey. I say I would do it differently, but had we had planned all of this, it would have never ended up the way that we wanted to.
I think because we were idiots and we just kind of like, we just rolled with it. Let's see what the fuck happens. I think that's kind of what, you know, like if we would have said, oh, let's make an OnlyFans and let's be super successful and have a podcast and do, you know, I don't think any of that would have ever came true. I really think, you know, if you, I would definitely 100% do it again. And honestly, you could take what we're making now and cut it in half and I would still fucking do it. You know what I mean?
Like people say it's all, you know, like, Oh, they're just doing it for the money and blah. It's more than just the money. I mean, it's, you know, I don't, it's just doing it for the money and blah. It's more than just the money. I mean, it's, you know, I don't. Not for me. It's something that was. Not for you. It's all about the money. But seriously, it's something that was in the Army for 21 years. Yeah. And was told where to be. Yeah. What to do. I mean, you know. That is amazing. I spent time in my life in combat zones, missing birthdays and Christmases.
And now to be able to live my life on my own terms like the way we are and then get paid what we get paid like it it really almost seems like a fantasy or dream kind of true scenario for me yeah um and i think there is a lot of negative sides to it i think it's important to be authentic about those parts and pieces of it but a hundred percent for me if you were to give me a choice between going back and and doing the nine to five job answering to the man and being told yeah but i think we also are very blessed because our families all right are very supportive we've not lost any family members we've not lost any friends we've our children love us and i think that not everybody has had that same scenario and so i think that's worth mentioning as well i think that adds to why we are okay with where we are oh it's a hundred there you know a lot of you know to be honest there's some luck to where we are now a hundred percent there's also a shit ton of hard work though yeah and i think that's you know you can't overlook one for the other right because i think there are people that look at us and be like oh they just got lucky blah but you know they weren't there when we were staying up till four o'clock in the morning to record podcasts or make content or make t tock you know i mean like we have been grinding hard hard for the last two years to get to get all this done and to get in the position we're in now um and we just need to keep grinding and i think i can only imagine where we would be we'll be in another year or two it's kind of crazy to think about but i do have to say let me give a little kudos to you because i don't normally do this you're gonna say how many times you tried to quit no um i was gonna say i did i do try to quit quite often uh but a lot of this success has been for you to you because this is you are the type of person that you don't half-ass anything and you like research the shit out of it until you know every single thing about it inside and out.
And then you apply what you've learned. Um, and I would have quit a long time ago cause it was too hard and that's just the truth. And you know, that's the truth. Um, I want to quit most days, you know, so, um, so I have to thank the success from it to you. Also your big dick. Thank you. That helps too.
Well, well i'm telling you you're not so bad to look at it either there's there's a reason i think we make a good team i think that's fair to say yeah we make a good team all right well what do we got coming up on the schedule lacy so next week we will be at tempted um in louisville kentucky saturday night is sold out but we still do have tickets for friday night available it is a pretty awesome club it holds like over 400 people it's multi-level it's i mean not only that is it an awesome club but we have really like brought out all this all the work it'd be like we've done all the things like we have dancers and we have like private photographers and decorations and goodie back i mean the amount of work that these girls and and you and the guys have done to get us ready for this is amazing and i'm very curious to see how this plays out because i think this could be one of our best takeovers ever i agree with you i think our staff really wanted to show out for this event because it's a new club and we haven't yeah i mean truth be told we took like our profit and just like put it back into making sure that this event was just like outstanding so i'm really curious what everyone thinks if you would again there's still tickets so you come friday night come hang out with us i'm fresh off of plastic surgery so you get to see me in all my glory and a couple shots of fireball you'll be fine you'll be ready to party i don't know i actually i bet here and i don't we'll see we'll see but you got a little over a week i bet you're going to be in pretty good shape i think we'll see we'll report back if you don't know if you don't follow us on social media i had a bbl and lipo 360 on january 23rd it is currently february 14th when we're recording this i'm about three weeks in a day out so i'm currently sitting on a bbl pillow recording this podcast i think you're gonna be ready to go yeah maybe not 100 but you'll I'll see you next time.
Bye-bye.
out so i'm currently sitting on a bvl pillow recording this podcast i think you're gonna be ready to go yeah maybe not 100 but you'll be 80 90 for sure all right yeah so come out to tempted uh we got secrets coming up right behind that which is also sold out but day passes uh and then we kind of go into the summer blitz and we got to do this every year and it's just like back to back to back so we have secrets in march the bliss cruise in april hedo in may uh end of may first of june we have splash atlanta and then we go from that to naughty in new orleans throw in a few family vacations and call it a day that's our summer so and then back to secrets yeah yeah so it's going to be a crazy next few months so kind of get ready if you want to find any of our events they're at swingersociety.net we would love to have you um yeah that's it yeah definitely we have a great summer lineup so go check out go to swingersociety.net check out some of the events um a lot of the events are big national you know um kind of events we're going to be hundreds if not thousands of people at them so if you're if you want to you know maybe you go to the same club once a month or something like that and you're wanting to kind of expand your pineapple bubble and try something new uh we would love to have you come out and hang out with us at one of these one of these events all right i think that's all the time we have um you got anything else to say to the swing nation listeners nope that's it all right guys with that in a world full of apples be the pineapple be the pineapple guys bye bye if you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us leave a five-starstar review wherever you're listening.
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