Send us Fan MailLifestyle Education | Exploring Miami Velvet and Tantric Intimacy with Justin Gottlieb | Episode 178In this episode of The Swing Nation Podcast, the top-rated podcast about non-monogamy and swinging, Dan and Lacy sit down with Justin Gottlieb, a Tantric Love Coach and consultant for Miami Velvet, one of Miami s premier erotic lifestyle nightclubs.Justin takes Dan and Lacy on a deep dive into the world of tantra, unpacking its principles and how they align with and enhance the swinger lifestyle. They explore how tantric practices can deepen intimacy, improve communication, and elevate connections within the lifestyle community.The conversation then shifts to Miami Velvet, where Justin shares exciting details about the club s recent renovations and its commitment to creating unforgettable experiences for guests. Plus, they give listeners an exclusive preview of the upcoming Swinger Society Sugar and Spice Takeover, happening February 21–22.If you’ve ever been curious about tantra or are planning to attend the hottest lifestyle event in Miami, this episode is a must-listen!- The Swing Nation -Main Website Quick Navigation Website: -- (Find all our social media links more!)- Swinger Society - Our Website to meet, connect events Swinger Society Discord Our Facebook Group- Swinger Websites -Kasadie 90 day free trialUsername: TheSwingNation SDC 14 day free trial Username: TheSwingNation** Use code 36313 for 14 days free! ** SLSUsername: NorthernGuynSouthernGirl- Merch More -Order Your Merch Here!- Lacy’s Fun Links -VIP OnlyFansPREMIUM OnlyFans-- THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS --Wisp : Making sexual healthcare inclusive, cost-effective, and accessible—for everyoneUse Code SWING at checkout for 15% off your oder!Shameless Care: ED Medication and at home STD testingUse Code TSN at checkout for $30 off your order!Promescent® Make Love Longer, It’s Time for Great SexUse Code SwingNation for 5% off!Sing it Bikinis: adjustable one-size styles, thoughtfully crafted to flatter every body type.Support the show- Thank you for the support! -
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Is that the term you'd use for, um, a consultant consultant and advisor for Miami velvet? Yeah, we have a manager who's been there 20, so consultant for Miami velvet, which if you don't know is a lifestyle club in the Miami area. Um, but separate from that, he actually is, uh, a tantric teacher. Is that how you would word that? How would you describe your day job? Yeah, I'm a tantra coach, tantric practitioner, but really what I call myself is a sexual freedom coach. I do a lot of work around tantra and that's kind of the foundation of my teachings and I do tantra massage.
But really what I'm all about is sexual freedom and helping people liberate themselves. So I do that through coaching, through body work. I do that through experiences. I have a Tantra retreat in Austin, Texas, and I do other private and public events all over the world and also in Miami where I'm based. Awesome. Awesome. So I think for this podcast, we have actually a lot to talk about. I think we want to talk a little bit about Miami Velvet and our upcoming takeover there and all that stuff.
But I think really for this to start, I really like to kind of we like our listeners to get to know our guests. You kind of like when you first meet people in the lifestyle, kind of have that type of conversation. So I think we want to start there. So why don't you just tell us maybe a little bit about you, Justin, and then maybe how did you get involved in the one, the lifestyle, but then all this tantra stuff? Yeah, I guess I'll have to go back to like my youth. I was like a kind of shy teenager. And I was also really like drawn towards sexuality and really intimacy. And I was pretty shy.
So I wasn't really connecting with a lot of girls at the time.
i saw these other guys that were and i was like wow like what am i gonna do i started doing research and this is back in like you know aol dial-up days i remember going on the web and trying to figure out like we were there yeah we were in those chat rooms starting to date ourselves here but you know i i wanted to become a better lover right i wanted to do it maybe it was for a little bit of ego i wanted to like be good at it but i also was like i need to become confident and um funny enough years later i ended up working for neil strauss who wrote the game and all these pickup artists um that whole world happened and it really gave a lot of people confidence a lot of men confidence to go speak to women and all that so i kind of created my my own version of that as a, as a kid to kind of really become better.
And then I was kind of doing Tantra massage without knowing it was Tantra massage. So I just really enjoyed giving to women. I really enjoyed feeling like that I could be a good lover for them and probably a bit of it was ego so that they'd walk around and say, Oh, Justin's really good. And he could, you know, so, so back then that was kind of my thing, but I was always, I would go to nude beaches when I was younger. I was looking up like lifestyle kinds of things. Um, so it was just a unique gift and a passion for me my whole life.
Then I went to college and, you know, did the whole Penn state college thing. I moved to Manhattan. I was in finance and, uh, I was literally, I would say I consider myself in the lifestyle for 20 years because really when I got out of college, I was already on Craigslist casual encounters, which was the only place back then to kind of find that stuff. We've been there as well. We've been there also. Yes. Yeah. So we're giving everybody a history here.
But that kind of made me realize I just don't think I'm ever going to want to be monogamous and uh you know i even had a girlfriend um at the time and we were in europe and uh i looked up like tantra massage and i was in germany and i got my first tantra massage and it was really interesting because um you know it was a couple's thing i had these two beautiful women came out and they're oiling us up and doing all these beautiful tantric experiences and i'm just like like, well, what am I supposed to do? And this woman just looks at me and she goes, just breathe and try not to ejaculate.
And I'm like, oh boy, like, isn't that what I came for? Like, help me to do this. And, you know, and it was really cool because I did try, right. And my whole life up into that point, I think I was like 22 or something. I was just always like, all right, well, when I'm being touched there, when I touch myself there, I'm going to ejaculate. That's the point. I want to have an orgasm, right? So for the first time in my life through this tantric experience, I was like, well, what if I don't try to and actually try not to?
And there was like a moment, I'll say seven seconds of when I was normally would have ejaculated until when I actually did. And that seven seconds was this expansion in my orgasm. And I realized like there's something to this and the breathing helped so much as well. So that kind of planted a little bit of a seed, but then I went on with my life and then lived in Manhattan for nine years, moved to Miami because I just wanted to be in paradise.
I also really loved Howl Over Nude Beach, which is a great place to go if you're wanting to be naked and free on the beach and also meet quite a bit of lifestyle people there's a huge crew there with the upside down pineapple flag um and uh and many others that just come from all over the world to meet people there so i moved to miami six months and i have this spiritual awakening in this training that's kind of like a tony robbins or landmark kind of training opens my eyes to everything else breath work and you know doing ayahuasca and all these other things and it basically made me realize I cannot work in the corporate world anymore I'm going to become a tantric practitioner so I go into this field to do tantra massage start kind of realizing that that's that's a great place to be but there's more things I need to do so I start doing events and that kind of just turned more into doing like high-end luxury style experiences for people.
I call myself a sexual concierge in certain senses. I help people do fantasy fulfillment experiences. That led me down the path to also become a consultant for Miami Velvet, which was a club that has literally been in Miami for I think 25 years will be this year. So it's been around forever and it needed a bit of a refresh, and the owners wanted to call in someone who knew what they were doing and had a lot of experience and already has done events and been in the community. So, yeah, this whole path has led me to Tantra, to doing consulting for Miami Velvet, and so many more things.
I just did a bunch of workshops all over the world in Cannes, France, for a high-end lifestyle brand, and then a castle in Scotland. So I'm going all over the place. And mainly what I'm doing is bringing what I call elevated intimacy to these events and to the lifestyle people.
Because a lot of us really have had great experiences in the lifestyle, a lot of fun sexual experiences, but we haven't really found a lot of the fulfillment that's available if you start to learn some of these other um methods and exercises and ways to communicate to make experiences even safer and more pleasurable so you literally went from finance bro to um tantric sex worker like that was that's your your path yeah i would say yeah it was basically it was basically like finance normal finance bro frat frat guy finance bro then i was in sales for an ad tech company and then it became tantra guy and that kind of turned more into like sexual freedom coach because something i really pride myself in is like i'm very grounded and the terms i use are very accessible what i teach is more neo-tantra because i think people here especially lifestyle people who many are in the corporate world many live the kind of normal lifestyles and they're not looking to go so deep into spirituality and become you know a monk or kuru kind of vibe so when they hear tantra they're like what is that and it's such a hard word to define because there's so many definitions but that was literally my next question my next question was like okay you're talking about tantra and tantra massage and like maybe there's people listening to this podcast and this is the first time they've heard this word or the first time they've heard somebody talk about that so if you were going to say to a layman who just this is the first time they're hearing about this how would you explain it to them yeah so the most simple terms, I believe tantra is about accepting yourself and accepting this human experience.
So you can move through life with ease. And, you know, there's many different definitions that are more esoteric and more kind of in the old school lineages, I teach what's called more neo tantra. So it's modernized tantra. So when I have anyone asked me this, I generally say Tantra is self-acceptance, self-love, connection, and presence. So if you know those four pillars, right? And imagine just bringing that into your own personal life, your job, your relationship, you accept yourself. Number one, right? Can I accept my body? Can I accept my emotions? Can I accept my sexuality?
And most people say no to all three of us, right? Like they don't love their body. They don't accept it. They don't accept their sexuality. And when I see some people, yes, their actual sexual identity. And for others, it's just like, I have this really deep, dark, hidden turn on or fantasy or kink. And, you know, Tantra would say to accept that and understand it.
And then once we accept it, once we accept our bodies and we love our bodies once we accept these kinks once we allow our emotions to come through us rather than repress them we actually are going to be able to expand into life we're going to have an easier time communicating what we want we're going to have an easier time experiencing pleasure so there's so much available if we accept ourselves and unfortunately we're literally raised in a world that has us think we're not good enough it has us repress our sexuality and especially for men really repress our emotions so we're kind of stuck in this place of like how am I going to have sexual pleasure in this life that's also where tantra massage comes in yes because a lot of people have yeah go ahead the way you're saying it really you know if you were to say to me like dan what is tantra i really thought it was like an explore an exploration of pleasure or you know ways to enhance your pleasure through touch and and things like that um but the way you're describing it it's almost like it's a like a life motto like it's a it's a way to live it's a it's a you know what i don't know what you know like a that you're saying like the guru thing Like this is a way to live.
It's a, it's a, you know, I don't know what, you know, like a, that you're saying like the guru thing, like this is a way of life. It is a hundred percent. Like that is it. Tantra is a way of life and it's a way of life that through again, acceptance, connection, presence, and self-love, um, you really can live an amazing life.
And, you know, Tantra also includes yoga and breath work and energy work and self-pleasure and it includes sacred union you know sex sex basically um and i love that about it it's the only teaching i've ever known that actually tells us to accept our sexuality it actually says that sexuality and spirituality are two sides of the same coin and everything else in life tells us to separate these two as if like sex is this thing we're only supposed to do to have babies and whatever and spirituality is something you do maybe in a church or temple or whatever I don't know.
And everything else in life tells us to separate these two as if like sex is this thing we only supposed to do to have babies and whatever. And spirituality is something you do maybe in a church or temple or whatever. But Tantra tells us that this is it, you know, and that when you're having sex, if you're present, if you're conscious to it, if you set an intention, you actually can meet God, if you will, right? You can have this spiritual experience. So is it a religion then? Is it its own form of religion?
not really i would call it more of a teaching right because there's no there's no like one person that's like the the jesus christ of it there's none of there's none of that it's just ancient teachings that have so many different spin-offs and things like that so it is a way of life more than it is a religion focused or focused around like yes a god this is the god and anything or anything like that so your god can be whoever you want to be you're just living your life in this way absolutely anyone can can practice tantra and live a tantric life you don't have to have a partner you don't even have to be having sex i think that's a mis misnomer is that people think tantra is always related to sex there's a whole sect of tantra called white tantra which is really about your inward journey and that's the meditation the yoga the breath work the energy work where you're you might not necessarily be intentionally harnessing or working with sexual energy you're just if it comes up it's accepted but it's not like in the red tantra which is the area i work in more where we're intentionally working with sexual energy for healing for expanded pleasure and for, you know, bringing us closer to ourselves and to, to let's say God.
That's so interesting. And then, you know, the first part, you know, that self-acceptance piece like that, that is huge. I mean, I think, I think 99% of the problems that we have in life are that right. That we, you just cannot accept who we are.
And we're, we're always, you know, we talk about this all the time is we're always i i feel like in um part of becoming a swinger i've had almost an awakening you know not as extreme as what you're talking about but you know i came to a point in my life where i'm like screw this i'm not living by your playbook anymore like i've tried to do your playbook right i got married i got the house I got the dogs I got the kids I tried to do all that and and parts of that I really enjoyed and it made me really happy but for the majority of it I just I felt like I was a failure I felt like I you know I felt like I was supposed to be happy and I was supposed to everything was supposed to be good and I wasn't supposed to have all these wants and desires and fantasies like you were were saying, I'm supposed to bury those and those pretend like those don't exist.
And I just couldn't do it. And I just failed miserably. And that put me in a dark place. I felt like a failure. I felt like, man, I'm, you know, everybody else is out here doing this and they all seem so happy and everything seems so great. And I tried to do this. I really felt like I tried really hard and I feel like I failed. And so at one point I was like, well, screw, screw that playbook then. Like, I'm just not going to follow your rules. I'm going to live my life the way I want to live it.
And since I've done that, I know I've experienced life, I think, in a better way than I have before. But this sounds like this, you know, what you're talking about is almost like stepping deeper into it. Yeah, that's what I was about to say, like the next level of it. Yeah, it's about more depth and consciousness to that. Like I want to say something to everyone out there listening. If you're in the lifestyle, like you're a rebel. You're amazing. You basically said like I'm not going to listen to everyone else's definition of what a relationship should be, what sex should be.
I'm not going to listen to what someone's idea of success should be like I'm going to create and pave my own path and I don't think we get enough credit for that because you know in the more spiritual communities or whatever like honestly swingers are I don't want to say look down upon but it's like oh they're just having unconscious sex they're just like out there just doing this for sex and partying and whatever and I'm going like let's not bring down these people and myself, right? Like we're here and we, we worked hard to get here.
We had to deal with like, you know, and some of us live double lives and others are just totally open and said, Hey, I don't care if my parents and, you know, family and all these people know that this is what I do. And that takes a lot of courage and a lot of bravery. And it's, it's a lot of steps ahead of many others. I think the piece that's missing is the tantric piece and the recognition of like, okay, well, yeah, I could do this. But how else could I do it? What conscious conversations can I have?
How am I going to use this rebellion I just created to enrich the lives of myself and those around me? And, you know, that's the next level that I think Lacey was referring to. Yeah, so I guess, if people are hearing this, they're like, OK, I'm a rebel. I'm a swinger. You know, I've done that step. And I think you're right. I think when people hear that and I even think I even think there's swingers out there that think like this is my dirty secret and it's not OK, but I'm just going to do it and I'm going to hide it from everybody else. And they almost feel like it's wrong.
I think there are swingers out there that are living this lifestyle and they're not necessarily bought into it, but they just enjoy it so much. Well, because society tells us that it's wrong. So even though we're out and we're public, I find myself, you know, in certain situations hiding it and I get mad at myself because I'm like, no, I'm proud to be a swinger. I'm okay with this. But I think it's just like we're pre-programmed to think that something's wrong with us. So I think you can like have good intentions but still feel that way. Well, this is a funny story.
This is literally from today. We went to the gym and we were both wearing upside down pineapple shirts, right? And then we come home from the – because we don't care, right? So we come home from the gym and I had a dentist appointment. And as I'm getting ready to walk out the door, Lacey says, hey, can you change? Because there's somebody at the dentist that we know that knows our kids and things like that. And she's like, I don't really care. I just don't want to start more drama with that. And I was like, OK. And so I changed my shirt. Right. But it was like a mom.
That's the classic example of that. Right. Like it's like, well, I don't really want to make waves, you know, so it's just easier not to wear the shirt to the dentist. You know? Yeah. I did do that today. Yeah. Literally today. Yeah. And we try to live loud and proud, but sometimes it's just like, I just don't want to deal with it. It's just easier not to create problems. So we'll just, we'll take the pineapple shirt off and put a normal shirt off on and go to, go to the dentist, you know?
yeah and i think that's understandable right like there's it's just we don't it's our choice right it's our choice to it's it's kind of like being gay or whatever it's like i'm gonna i don't no one else should out me first of all and if i want to say i'm gonna come out as as a swinger then i get to do it where and how i want to and no one should do that for me and and i should get to choose because you're right there is a stigma stigma about it. I've kind of come into a place where like, I always talk about what I do.
I talk about the open relationship dynamics and all of that, because I find that in the end, it inspires people. And it also weeds out the people that I don't want in my life. Because if you're going to judge me and you, you have a problem with it, then you can go, you know, fly a kite. And I will say, I don't have kids.
I i'm not married i don't have some of the issues that other people do have my job obviously isn't a problem so i get it if you can't do that then do it however you are you're still a fucking hero in my book no 100 so i guess if people are hearing you talk and now you've kind of sparked their interest with this tantra I guess, how do you see this applying to like your normal everyday swinger? Yeah, so I think there's one thing, a few things I see that swingers generally are not doing right.
I don't see a lot of conscious conversations happening between couples or even within yourself when people are going to these swinger events and parties or just whatever, play parties anywhere.
You know, think about it and talk about it before you go like hey what is our intention for going here like let's actually just sit down and go why are we doing this are we just doing it because we end up some fun i mean for some people it saves their relationship like right we're doing this to come closer together we're doing this to continue to light the fire we're doing this because we want to live in a life where we can have our fantasies fulfilled and this is an easy way to do it we're doing it to make new connections and friends and all that and once you kind of just say that intention together and maybe you have different ones it's really beautiful to connect that way as a couple and then to go into like hey what would make you feel safe what are your boundaries for this this day if we go to this event and one partner might be like hey I don't really want to have penetrative sex but I'd be open to this and that or like i only want to play with a girl today i don't whatever it is right at least you guys can understand that and know and now you're both in the same team a lot of times i see couples kind of playing on different teams and they don't even realize it so those are a few ways and then also to talk about what are your desires what fantasies can we fulfill for each other here do we have any fears that we want to discuss and then see how we can support each other with any fears about the experience?
I mean, it's some things as simple as like, I mean, so many women that I've invited to and I was like, oh, I can't go on my period, you know? And I'm like, that's okay. Why can't you go? You don't have to have, you know, sex if you don't want to. And there's plenty of different things that can go. And like, I don't want you to think that you can't do things or there's something wrong with you because you're having your period. So there's so many conversations that can happen around that. Another thing I highly recommend is that every couple has a, anybody really has like a safe word, right?
Whether it's with a friend or a couple, just so it's like easy to get out of a situation.
And it could just be as simple as like, my word is like, Hey, I got to go to the bathroom, come with me with me like that's it or it could be a simple word because a lot of times i find that people especially women have problems kind of saying like i'm not comfortable right now or this has gone a little too far like this was fine but now i'm out i want out and that makes it so much easier so all of this is preventing damage creating safety and in most cases once you create safety and you have these boundaries and your partner knows and they're helping you with them now you're going to have an expanded pleasure deeper connection more intimacy and you're going to walk away both with a smile on your face and a lasting imprint from this experience rather than all right we're going back to work and that was just a fun fucking party you know yeah no i think that that's important you know me and lacy we've done podcasts and about it a few times.
We went on a bliss cruise one time and prior to the bliss cruise, we on the podcast live, we're like, okay, make a list of, and I can't remember what it was, five fantasies that you want to fulfill while you're on the bliss cruise. And we didn't tell each other, each other fantasies. And we just kind of did it live, like, you know, on here and kind of reacted to it and stuff. And that was good.
And then after that, we're like we do this more like why don't we like to what you're saying what are we trying to get out of this experience right because i do think you're right i think a lot of people go to a swingers club and all they're thinking is i want to go drink get drunk and have fun with my friends and if and if we fuck cool but there's no like like hopefully we fuck tonight that's that's basically like the goal they have but but no like nothing deeper than that well it just felt like more intentional like play time or more intentional sex like it was things that were important for us to do and we worked together to kind of help fulfill each other's fantasies and it was actually really fun and and part of what we didn't plan before this is we that podcast actually released before we got on the bliss cruise so unintentionally there was probably at least a few hundred people on that bliss cruise that had listened to our podcast and so there were people literally coming up to us and being like hey that fantasy you have like i can make that happen yeah and i can make that happen and we were like oh it was a little overwhelming because some of the people we had never even met or talked to but but at the same time then part of it was kind of fun you know because some of the people that had listened to it were our friends and they you know kind of went out of their way to try to make some of our fantasies come true too but it definitely was an interesting it was fun yeah yeah well i'm glad you mentioned that because that's a lot of what my work is is helping people come to terms with what are their fantasies and desires and then how do we communicate them with our partners so i have a whole exercise i do with couples on how to do that because many couples are afraid to tell their partner what their fantasy is they're afraid to be rejected or it's weird or whatever um or they've just waited so long that they're like i can't tell them now like you know and um once you actually can share about it then it's usually very easy to make it happen and And I do a lot of group workshops and events where I'll have people get into small groups, share their fantasies, and I'll have people share.
And the ones that share out loud in front of the whole group what their fantasy is, 90% of the time, they get their fantasy met because there's someone else or many people in the room that are like, oh, I want to do that. And so the lessons always like be communicative, share your fantasies and, you know, take the risk around rejection.
Like, so what if someone rejects me because they don't like the fact that i want to have a threesome with another girl like then they're probably not for me you know so let's let's talk about the things that we really want to do and the other side of this whole kind of like being more conscious and how do we bring kind of tantra into this to the lifestyle is the conversations we have with the people we interact with so i'm going to give everybody a really awesome uh tool that we use in the tantra world and we call our like play parties and sex parties temple nights right because it's really about worship and and like we call ours a puja at the tantra lover tree in austin texas and that's um really about worshiping yourself as well as the others so are we going into these experiences leaving everybody better off than we found them rather than leaving a trail of destruction behind us which we all know those couples and dramas and people who end up at these events and it's like a disaster so one way to kind of have people um that you connect with really ensure that a it's a connection you want to create um and b that it's a safe experience um and then that can also lead to obviously like deeper connection with him and more fun is um this conversation called spread and spread is the acronym for this and i'll just go through the letters for you um s you would start to talk about sexual health you know sti panels anything you've done and uh around that then what your results were, and then any risky behaviors since then, which is an important part.
Because I've been to a lot of events where like, oh, you need to get tested before. And it's like up to two weeks before. And I'm like, two weeks before? What do they do in between those two weeks and now? That's actually really important. And sometimes it gives you this false sense of hope that like, oh, they were tested, they're good, but they could have had unprotected sex with seven people since then.
So that's a really important and sometimes it gives you like this false sense of hope that like oh they were tested they're good but they could have had unprotected sex with seven people since then so that's a really important conversation to have um that's the s the p is about protection and pregnancy and i think that's important like if i'm going to connect with a new woman like i want to know like are you on birth control are you have an iud like what do you have do you even know what your cycle is you might be ovulating and like we're taking a huge risk here even with a condom because i could break and whatever so that's p uh r is about relationship status and style and any agreements so like if we're gonna meet a new couple or whatever or maybe it's a single person well what's your relationship status because if i want to get with you guys then like i want to know that like you're not it's a monogamous relationship cheating and now i'm not someone coming after me or that you're breaking an agreement so that's another really important thing i don't think a lot of people discuss they just kind of assume like oh you know you guys are married or whatever i go to a lot of events or you're a single female here without a partner so you must be single like that just because you're right because you're here alone doesn't actually mean people are single yeah exactly and then the thing that i see a lot that really disturbs me because it's personal to me is like i i don't have a partner right now and i have a lot of lovers so i bring a lot of people like new women to these events and we're not like you know people oh how long have you known each other sometimes it's like well we met two days ago on field or something you know and and instead of like really respecting that i mean that's great i hope you guys have a great budding relationship a lot of couples will kind of see that and go oh here's an opportunity to like snag the girl away since they're not really together and that really hurts me as like a man being like well i'm bringing this person in maybe they're very new to this and like that's the kind of predatory behavior that's going on so to really just understand yeah this is your relationship status and like honor that regardless if you've known each other two days or you know 30 years so um so that's really helpful and also to understand like okay well this is their relationship status maybe they have a partner but they're open to having another one so okay cool maybe in this connection we could have more than just you know sex this time or something else um so that's spr e is emotions i think this is really important what does this mean for you right so do we ever really talk about that like hey so like we connect here does this mean anything more than that is it just this one night thing are you looking to be friends do you want us to like message each other after i feel like we a lot of people in the swinger scene we do this stuff and then after it's like oh let me get your info we're like what's your name yeah that happens way more when i've had sex with someone and after it's like what was your name again or whatever and it's like it's wild because people in the real world i guess the people that aren't swingers vanilla people will be like that's insane yeah you don't even know their name and you just had sex with them but it's not that uncommon in this world so that's e and um and i think it's really important just to go a little deeper right we're talking about going deeper with stuff.
So what does this mean for you? I could be like, wow, I'm blown away by your beauty. I think you're incredible. And the little I've seen of you makes me want to get to know you more. And I'd be really interested in perhaps dating you. That's an important thing to know if you're going to connect with someone. The A is about aftercare. And I think this is terribly missed in the lifestyle. So what are your needs and expectations after we have this experience? Right.
And it could be like directly after like, okay, after we have sex, I want to like cuddle in bed a little bit, or I want to make sure that we, you know, have a conversation after, can you get me water and whatever, don't just like bounce off to the next couple, you know, at the party or whatever. So we can understand what we need. And then again, that stops people from potentially feeling dropped. And the aftercare could also be what happens the next day. You know, maybe you're on a cruise and now you see this couple or this person the next day, but you're like, I'm on to the next one.
That's, that was good for me. So you kind of like maybe ignore them or you're not as like really nice.
So you could say like, Hey, after this, uh, after we have sex or whatever we end up doing, um, I'd really like to make sure that the next day if we see each other we give each other a hug we say hi we talk about how great the night was and you know then we could move on or i would want to continue seeing you and that could be part of like what does this mean for you as well as the aftercare and then the final one is letter is d and that's decide right so this is where you're going to actually talk about well what, what are we going to do? Okay. Well, we're, we're full swap.
We want to do full swap or Hey, we're, we're open to just doing this and this, whatever. So what are we actually going to do in this experience so that we could decide if we want to move forward now that we have all this information. And then you go into, if you want to move ahead, cause you might have heard all this and just go, you know what? Thank you so much. This is a really valuable conversation based on what I heard, I actually, I'm actually good.
I want to move ahead because you might have heard all this and just go you know what thank you so much this is a really valuable conversation based on what i heard i actually i'm actually good i want to move on and thank you for having this with me um or you say yes i love it i want to you know we're going to have sex and we'll use protection all these things we talked about this is going to be great let's talk about our desires our fears and our boundaries because all of this conversation was good but it's still not talking about what are your boundaries for what what do because you could be like yeah we're gonna have sex but it's like okay but my boundaries are definitely we're gonna use that protection you know i don't want anything put in my bud and don't get you know whatever it is and and also again like i mentioned before talking about your fears once you just mention your fears of the experience like oh i've never been to one of these kind of events and i'm afraid everyone's gonna be watching me okay cool would you want us to go in a private room and do it there or like how about if people are watching i'm happy to like shoot them away let them know that that's not wanted right here um and then of course your desires and that we we all know and love is being able to say well okay i want to do this and my desire is in this i want to have you know both the women one riding my face and one on me here whatever it is and that's gonna again give the possibility for you to actually get what you want rather than walking away going man I wish I would have said this or done this there's been so many times like I love pictures and videos and consensually like having that from experiences and there's been so many times where I've had this wild orgy and after I'm like god this looks so beautiful and at one point i wanted to take out ask you guys if i could take a picture but i didn't want to interrupt and everyone's just like oh why didn't you we would have loved that i'm just like that was me not stating my desire it wouldn't have been that bad to just make that request so all of this is the spread conversation as we call it and i think everyone in this in the lifestyle could use it and to benefit from it in a really big way to have deeper experiences with with everybody and themselves no i think that's that's i love that actually yeah and there's a lot that i i guess my only like like how practical is that actually do you think people would actually do it though i think um because i like it like no i love it sounds good on paper yeah i love it right so i guess maybe they pushed us back to justin that is this happens at so when you do a tantra retreat this is like step one like you got you know before a play party or whatever you you i can't remember the word you used to call it like this is yeah everybody is going to do this we so obviously at our retreat, you know, it's, it's almost like four days.
Right. So we introduced this and then we actually do an example of it and we show people how this conversation can be fun and flirty and like, really like actually be a turn on and be almost like foreplay. Cause some people are like, Oh, then we're going to ruin the mood. I don't want to talk about all this stuff and whatever, but it's worth having the conversation. And trust me, especially if you're a guy and you say, Hey, you know what? I'd love to have a conscious conversation with you, beautiful woman, before we get into this. They're not going to be upset about it.
They're going to be like, Whoa, who's this guy? And other couples will see that too. And they're going to be like, Whoa, this couple's like, like legit. Like I actually feel really safe with them.
And they're going they're gonna they're the word will spread and people will start to do it but to answer your question like i think it's practical obviously in these retreats where we have all this space and then we let them practice it after and then we have the play parties sex parties whatever you want to call it then you know they're using it and they know to use it because it's like kind of they're in this community they're held accountable and most communities you know most lifestyle lifestyle clubs and people it is a community so if everyone kind of like hey this is what we do and and that's what we're gonna do then people will do it and you could make it short and sweet you could also have it drawn out you could also just do it for fun like you know beforehand at you know a pregame or whatever and then when you go to the club you've got all the info i like to do it whenever i hold something small and intimate at my house for example, I'll have everyone get together.
Let's do a quick, you know, a pregame or whatever. And then when you go to the club, you've got all the info. I like to do it whenever I hold something small and intimate at my house, for example, I help everyone get together. Let's do a quick, you know, run of this. Does anyone have any boundaries? Is there any like, you know, desires that anyone wants to have? Has everyone been like tested and clear and whatever, whatever. And you could do a quicker version of it as well. But yeah, I mean, is it practical? Yes, I think it is. Are there people that will be resistant to doing it?
Yeah, and those might be people that you don't want to engage with. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a key point. Well, and I think you do a very good job, Dan, of kind of doing a modified version of that. Especially in orgy situations, everybody wants to jump in and start fucking.
But I always love it when you stop and say, hey, before we get started, let's talk real quick talk real quick like what are our boundaries and we don't go as deep as he did with a lot of that but i love that you know maybe we could add some of those in because i think that's really important yeah no i i agree i guess yeah are you trying to see well i wonder you know like the std thing like you're like oh when's the last time you got tested like if any everybody like would answer you know i mean and then if somebody doesn't answer then what do you do you know like yeah i don't know it's it's an interesting hopefully hopefully some people are honest and it's like i don't know i'm married and we haven't done this before i haven't been tested in two years but i only had sex with my wife but like you said yeah but then that would make me feel more comfortable yeah yeah and i guess with us it's like a lot of times we're engaging with couples we know and yeah comfortable with and have had those conversations with outside of in the orgy room you know but somebody had actually asked me um the other day on my take talk live they were like we're good with everything else but that that STD question is the hard one to ask to ask you know and so um and Dan and I actually recorded a podcast today and we talked about this and I think like just saying hey guys here are my STD results I just wanted to or you know just or not saying like when were you tested last you could say well we were tested last week you know we got tested last week and you know here's we've done that before we just drop our you know our test results into a chat when we're in a group chat and things like that and say hey just so everybody knows we got tested last week and here are results you know if in case anybody you just make everybody more comfortable and then usually what happens is that starts the chain reaction of everybody else doing it um and i think that's easy to do in like a text group prior to an event in an orgy room it's a little harder i think yeah to do that but i think you could practice this in like text in group chats and stuff like that and i think it'll be easier to do hey guys we got tested last week we're all good uh no i'm talking about like all those steps yeah yeah i think i think also it's like it doesn't have to be in that exact order and there's maybe some that'll be more vital in like uh you know in an orgy but like i don't think you should be putting your dick in somebody unless you've kind of said like hey so just real quick like have you been tested what's your story because like you know the odds are at any sex party someone's got something yeah well you know you don't at least ask yeah like what you're saying most people i think why they don't have that conversation is because most people that we engage with anyway will say we only we're going to use condoms right and they a lot of swingers don't understand that isn't enough you know i mean like if you're giving oral sex to somebody without oral protection you could still spread a lot of these diseases and stuff so i think a lot of that's even education that hey just because you're wearing a condom doesn't necessarily mean you're safe from some of these things i don't know if everybody in the community really understands that yet and i think that's some of the stuff we really definitely not definitely not i go to a place that they do they do uh um oral swab every single thing and i'm like i and i never thought to do that i'm like my whole life i've been doing this like i could have had oral chlamydia or whatever for a million times and not known and spread it and whatever and i really do think that that is super valuable so that people start to have these conversations they might ask like oh did you have a throat swab or whatever because that might change my mind maybe it's like oh well i'm gonna use a condom if you could you can blowjob, whatever.
So it's just about having an informed conversation. Some people might not care. Two couples are like, we don't care. We're just going to do whatever. That's at least their risk and they could take that if they want. But I also think there's another side to the lifestyle. So many people say to me like, oh, I don't understand how you do this. Don't you just get STDs when you go to these things?
They literally think that lifestyle parties are just like people in orgies just sticking you know unprotected sex everyone's having sex with each other nobody talks to each other and i'm like no not at all like in fact it's safer in most cases especially if you're having these conversations than the real world yeah no and that's the answer okay i think now is a terrific time to take a little break and hear from the partners and sponsors of the Swing Nation podcast. And then when we get back, we're going to go into Miami Velvet. We're going to talk a little bit about just the club in general.
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All right, guys. Welcome back. Welcome back. Thank you for listening to our sponsors. Lacey loves her sponsor. I do. Okay. So we're back here with Justin and we're going to talk a little bit about Miami Velvet. So if you could just give us, you know, a little overview of what miami velvet. Yeah. So Miami Velvet is a erotic lifestyle nightclub. It's been around in Miami for 25 years. It is probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest in the country. It's about 20,000 square feet. Wow. So this place is massive. We have two huge party rooms with state-of-the-art lighting and sound systems.
we typically have two DJs going at the same time one I mean we're Miami so we've got the Latin music going and the other is usually playing more EDM house music that kind of thing it's got a kink lounge which is just put in this year so we've got done a lot of new renovations so it's got you know it's light it's not a dungeon we've got a St. Andrew's cross we've got a spanking bench and we've got a cage And then we've got done a lot of new renovations. So it's got, you know, it's light, it's not a dungeon. We've got a St.
Andrew's cross, we've got a spanking bench, and we've got a cage, and then we've got really nice couches around. So that's the area to kind of hang, mingle, talk to people with out loud music, and of course, get into some of the kinky fun impact play and whatever else you want to do in there. And then we've got over 20 private and public playrooms.
So unlike a lot of clubs, or maybe it's just one big room and a few little private rooms we've got like 20 private rooms some of them are huge a lot of them have windows into the other room so you could voyeur most have mirrors um we have a few that are just kind of like walk around beds which is pretty cool um and uh and we have a locker room we have a brand new shower with led rain showers there's four of them we've got those water handles that the girls seem to love and uh you know the showers used to be just like stalls and kind of just a place to clean off and now i like to say our showers are a place to clean off and also get dirty so uh we've actually never played in the showers we've never played in a shower at a club before no but we've been to a lot that have them might be a bucket list yeah for miami yeah maybe so well i'm actually i'm actually thinking about doing shower hour at the club this year because we haven't we've used the showers it's just kind of been impromptu but i want to be like you know two o'clock shower hour for all the people that want to get wet and wild you know dj makes an announcement everyone goes in the we've got all this soap and everything, everyone gets free towels.
So it'll be a fun little thing. In addition to the other things we've, we've instated back this year is like different contests and community experiences. So we've got, um, uh, a newbies workshop. So I've created this workshop. I have our host couples running it now.
And basically it's everything you need to know about coming to the club as a couple as a single single man single woman and um all the tantric tips you need you get a tour of the club so it's a really um great experience for newbies to come and check out the place and feel welcomed and um they get a free membership for that night as well and we also do contest nights so we do like pole out of love where we do pole dance contests we have striptease contests so it's fun stuff for the community it's educational and uh you know we're bringing more to this place than just like a fun place to party and have sex awesome um so you are is it seven days a week just friday saturday how when are you guys right Friday, Saturday yeah it's just friday saturday and um fridays are usually when we do our contests sometimes we do them saturdays as well and then uh you know fridays are really really good for newbies um tourists people are coming in and want maybe a more chill time and to kind of like ease their way into things saturdays are more like party party fuck fuck I like to call it.
It's like wild action. We do a foam party five times a year. Our foam party is packed to the brim. Like we have over 500, 600 people in and out through the night. It is absolutely wild. So one of our big party rooms, we just fill the whole thing up with foam. Everyone's getting like naked, wet and wild.
So yeah, there's so many crazy things to do um and then the set yeah most of the saturday nights we have obviously we have theme nights all the time that different costumes and everything dress up and uh we have a monthly party called pechanga which has been going for like 20 something years now that's always a huge hit um and a good crowd and then we also have other parties that are kind of sponsored and partnerships and really excited this year to have our first takeover with you guys. We're excited to come down there.
And so it's interesting to hear about the renovations because, like you said, it sounds like that club's been there forever. We've had a few friends that were like, oh, yeah, we're doing a party at Miami Velvet.
And they're like miami velvet like you know like really and i was like yeah that fucking place is awesome because i've just you know seen it that you're the pictures and stuff you've sent us in the in the videos and i'm like yeah that place looks bad i've never seen you know you said you had two dj rooms which one i've never seen that not in a swingers club right yeah and then two one the the red room or whatever you call it there's beds in that room like it's got a d like yeah so there's a dance floor a dj and there's beds in around the room that's cool yeah it looks super badass yeah and it's got a pole on the dance floor so we have other poles in the other room that are like on platforms this one's got a pole right on the dance floor like people just love that because you're dancing and all of a sudden someone just starts using the pole and whatever.
But to address what you're just saying, I want to give you my background and how I even ended up there. So I've lived in Miami for 10 years. And again, as a lifelong swinger, of course, I go to Miami Velvet. I want to check it out. This is the club in Miami. It's the only lifestyle club in Miami. And it's massive and people know about it.
But it's kind of like if you're're in the lifestyle you know about it not that many other people do right um and I would go and I was just kind of like it's fun for me I all I want to do is meet a few couples and and I you know that I'm attracted to and like it's a good night for me but the place was like a little bit run down it wasn't really like high end it was definitely not like what I would normally want but for me it was fine but i didn't go that often because i didn't think it was like the quality experience and um and just as like i kind of kept this mental list in my head of like what would i change about this place where would i renovate what would i do and then by a chance encounter a friend of mine is at a barber shop and one of the owners of miami velvet is getting his haircut he's asking his barber because he thinks the barber might be a swinger or whatever kind of like hey you know do you know anyone like a swinger who might be able to like help us out and get some like more um you know advice on what to do to improve the club and like you know bring up the numbers and all that kind of stuff and my friend over here is this and he just oh i got the guy for you and he knows me as like the tantra guy the swinger guy the sex expert you know i've done workshops on the jersey shore that show i do all kinds of stuff so for him it was just like you got to talk to justin so um that connected us and then it was just in december of 2023 and basically we really only started together in january of last year of 2024 so first thing i said is we need to do some renovations um there was no doubt that like the showers and the playroom lobbies just and the furniture like it just needed updating and that was like a bare minimum for me to work with these guys so that happened and kind of got finished in april of of last year so i say to people if you haven't been to miami velvet since like you know before may of 2024 like you don't really know what the club is like now.
It is improved so much, you know, in the last nine months, then you, you're, you've probably had a different experience than what it is now. Yeah. And I could understand if you were like, yeah, that was, that place wasn't that nice or whatever, whatever. Like it, it definitely needed improvements, which we've made. And it wasn't just in the like renovations of the place.
It like i hired a host couple i hired an amazing social media person i want to shout out um uh andy and jessica our host couple i want to shout out britney who's our social media person she's the beautiful blue-eyed girl that you see all over our page um and and all the people that are working there most of our employees have been working there for 20 10 to 20 years. You don't usually see that. And these guys, they're so dedicated. Our bar manager, Manny, is just incredible. Our locker room attendant, Ernst, speaks like seven languages. Everybody loves him.
I mean, it's just, I hate to say the word, but it's kind of like family there. And with now the renovations, and now I'll be there another year at least.
just kind of do a year by year contract um there's going to be so many more improvements and so many great partnerships like with you guys and others that we really want to bring this to be like the mecca of lifestyle clubs in in america because honestly like a lot of the clubs in in europe they're just they're so much nicer there's so much more well known and whatever and uh it's time that we kind of stand out and have tourists come here like whoa that was wild and i started to hear that from tourists when i was at the club and they'd be like whoa i've never been to something like this and i'm like but they've been to like all the nice ones in paris and all these other places so we're starting to make a new name for ourselves um and we're really focusing on customer experience.
So it's been it's been really fun uh for a lot of reasons for me but to really be able to kind of come full circle and be like come coming to miami going to this place and kind of being like oh you know i can have fun but it's not it and now being like okay we're getting there and uh there's always going to be improvements need to be made there's never no one's ever 100 happy with any sex club i any sex club. I can tell you because I could do everything right. And someone will be like, I don't like the music tonight. And I can do everything right.
They're like, this person was an asshole to me. And it's like, there's nothing you can do to make everyone happy. But I took the biggest complaints, the most common complaints. I took what we were doing right. And I put it all together and said, this is what we're going to do.
And we're going to do the absolute best with what we can right now and i think we got there and i'm really excited for you guys to come and bring your magic we're we're super excited to be there so uh the dates for our takeover are february 21st and 22nd so what are the themes well the whole weekend is sugar and spice so friday night is sweet treat fantasyferno night. Inferno. Inferno. Right. So a little sweet on Friday and a little spice on Saturday. Yeah. Okay. We're going to have DJ Life of Spice with us and DJ Serino. And then Justin's got some house DJs.
I might actually break out my DJ gear a little bit again. We'll see how this weekend.
I'm playing playing a trapeze this weekend it's only the second time i've played well i've done secrets but i'm pretty new to the whole the whole djing thing and so we'll see how this goes if i totally bomb i won't i don't think you're gonna bomb you're actually pretty good good luck we're glad you're trying it out before you come to us yeah 100 well i only play i only play like the first hour like the you know hour or two while everybody's just talking and not really dancing anyway so it really doesn't really not it's not a big deal yeah you're the opener right as long as the music's not like you know like as long as it's just a little background music for people to chill and talk um but anyway we're super excited about that um and then we do a whole weekend so we're going to do friday night and saturday night at the, but we host meet and greets.
Uh, we do different dinners and lunches, and then you talked a little bit about the nude beach at Hallover. So I think we're actually going to host a meet and greet around lunchtime, um, on Saturday, which everyone seems to be very excited about. Like when we talk to my question though, is how is the beach? How is Hallover beach in February in Miami? Is it, can I get – is it naked weather? It really depends on the day. I mean it's probably the coldest like the water gets and probably the coldest we would get in the winter. But it's very possible we get like a 75, 80-degree day.
And if it's no wind, I mean it would be great. I mean even if it's just really sunny and it's 60s, you could get naked.
It's the wind that usually kind of kind of causes a problem so I always tell people like bring me their wind guard things and a lot of people bring like little tents and stuff we have tents we can do that great now I was told no that they're very serious about if there's any touching like they they don't like that is that true yeah yeah no so no sexual activities allowed on and really any nude beach but there's pretty serious I'm pretty sure they have like uh like undercovers even walking around to make sure nothing crazy goes on and you know unfortunately you still see guys that think it's okay to start to masturbate once in a while and do stuff like that and i'm like you know we will call them out you know and i'm sure you guys too let's just like go don't fucking ruin the fun for everyone because you're a creep yeah how do you get the undercover job at the yeah how do you get the undercover job at the nude beach?
That's what I want to know. That would be a great retirement job. There's the lifeguards who have that job. There's the guys that sell the umbrellas. And I mean, they've got the best job. They're on the nude beach. I mean, come on. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. That sounds exciting.
So if you've ever wanted to experience that and come down and experience the club, you definitely want to come down for that event we're super excited you know if you are up there in uh you know upstate new york or new england or somewhere like that where you're 60 70 sounds freezing yeah yeah you know i grew up in new england if you said in february i can go somewhere and it will be 65 degrees i i guarantee i'd be there and i would be naked you know i'd be all about it um but yeah let me let me say 60s would be like cooler like very well could be in the 70s um and yeah anyone i'm from new york this is a great weekend to come down hit the beach come to miami velvet with you guys like taking over i mean it is perfect and then especially if you live in orlando your drive away this is the time to come down if you haven't been to miami velvet in a while come check out the place uh you know we're gonna have a really awesome diverse crowd our whole community local community will be there and then all the people you guys bring in so it's gonna be fire it's gonna be fire and sweet sweet and fire sweet and you just fucked it up i didn't fuck it up all right uh all right anything else you guys want to tell the swing nation listeners about miami velvet any last any last messages justin yeah it's just i mean we're very inclusive we love having new new people come in check out the place it's really no pressure there's a lot of people that just come and party and they may or may not go to the back rooms uh we we allow you to do whatever you want wherever you want to we've seen some naked people on the dance floor people getting freaky in the kink lounge um and like like you mentioned there's beds in one on one of the dance floors basically so there's there's like raised platform beds so people can play while the dj's spinning and uh it's lot of fun.
And there's a little something for everybody. We have a really diverse, awesome crowd. You're going to find it's one of the younger lifestyle clubs in the country. So definitely give us a shout out. Give us a try. Come through and let us know what you think. Okay. And then if people, I guess you kind of have two things to promote here. So if people want to find you specifically and learn more about the Tantra stuff, where can they go and find your information? Yeah. So my name is Justin Gottlieb, Justin Gottlieb. And my everything about me is Tantra Love Coach. Tantralovecoach is my dot com.
Tantralovecoach is my Instagram, which is where the main place I'm found. So you could reach out to me there. And then I have a retreat called the Tantra Love Retreat. You could get all the links on my bio on Instagram. I'm also doing a really cool retreat in Miami called Rituals. And I'm bringing in one of the best BDSM facilitators from Berlin. And he's doing a two-day experience that is going to be mind-blowing for those that want to go deeper into power dynamics and surrender and submission and all of these kind of things.
I also do all kinds of one-on-one experiences, whether it be Tantra massage for healing, for expansion. I do private retreats, fantasy fulfillment. So really, if you want to get plugged into your sexual liberation, freedom, however that means healing from the past or awakening to your true desires, I help you guys with that virtually and in person. And yeah, for everything Miami Velvet, MiamiVelvet.com and our Instagram is MiamiVelvetClub.
yeah and then head on over to swingersociety.net and get your tickets for that takeover in february we look forward to seeing you justin and then head on over to swingersociety.net and get your tickets for that takeover in february we look forward to seeing you justin and then everybody else down there in miami uh real soon yeah this got me really excited for it actually i'm i'm excited for it as well uh all right and i think with that in the world full of apples be the pineapple be the pineapple guys bye bye if you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us leave a five-star review wherever you're listening if you want to see more of our content you can find links to snapchat twitter instagram only fans and more in the show notes come join the conversation with us and other Swinger content creators on our Swinger Society Discord server.
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