Tbh I wasn't thinking years. Over a certain point. Yeah I'd be screwed most likely. But after a couple months of khaos and no food. Most people will be dead, assuming I'm alive. I feel like my chances are fair to live.
@Flip
"I have 3 sources of clean water available to me on my property. I do know how to treat it and make sure it's not contaminated. I have food stored and can grow plenty of it. Chickens are fairly easy to keep alive for eggs and meat. Not sure what you mean. I have solar for electric (enough to live) and btw solar is shite but I like the idea of having it here."
Let's play along. You are digging yourself deeper in the ability to survive by yourself. It is NOT possible. Eventually, you will learn this and your life will get a LOT easier.
Congrats . . . you have chickens. Whatcha doing for food for them?
Congrats . . . you have chickens. They got avian flu. Whatcha doing for food then?
Congrats . . . you have chickens. They got eaten by wolves/critters while you were sleeping. Whatcha doing for food then?
Congrats . . . you have chickens. They got into your stash of magic mushrooms and are tripping and now attack YOU. Whatcha doing for medical care?
Congrats . . . you have solar. Whatcha doing when the sun goes down?
Congrats . . . you have solar. Whatcha doing when the panels no longer work?
Welcome to the real world. Even Ted Kaczynski realized this. He needed others. He could not make the ink for the typewriter ribbon, he had to buy it. HINT: That is needing someone.
No one can be self sufficient. Only people who have a huge ego think that they are responsible for everything and created everything. Pfft.
EA: you don't need a chemist to test ground water. You need proven filtration. That point aside, I absolutely agree with you on the "other's argument In a survival situation. Not only that, you need stockpiled supplies and gear. You need a minimum of a years food per person stored up. You need a defendable position in a LOW POPULATION DENSE AREA. You need tools, seeds, knowledge how to use everything mentioned above.
Since we're talking SHTF stuff. Darwinism would be a heavy hitter in that situation.
If I hadn't had that boating accident couple years back, I'd have thousands of rounds of ammo and guns. LOL
I have 3 sources of clean water available to me on my property. I do know how to treat it and make sure it's not contaminated. I have food stored and can grow plenty of it. Chickens are fairly easy to keep alive for eggs and meat. Not sure what you mean. I have solar for electric (enough to live) and btw solar is shite but I like the idea of having it here.
@Flip
"Disagree. Maybe medicine wise people could others but if you have food and water covered, the next thing to worry about is security. I feel I have that fairly well covered."
Nope, again.
How do you security?
How do you get food?
How do you get water?
You need others.
You are not a blacksmith who created tools to create weapons.
You are not a chemist to know that the water is clean to drink.
I can keep going.
Put aside the ego and the rambo concept, no one can survive without others.
EA: once again you have cherry picked a single sentence and used it out of context. Survival of the fittest, Darwinism, evolution, natural selection...whatever you want to hang your hat on is , has been, and always will be part of life. The dumb ones die.... the weak ones die.. that's life...
I never once said "survival of the one individual above and better than all others" ya putz... stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Disagree. Maybe medicine wise people could others but if you have food and water covered, the next thing to worry about is security. I feel I have that fairly well covered.
@Flip
'@ea, "" You can't survive without others"".. people did it for years and I'm not hoping for it but I "think" I'm ok with nobody else being around."
Nope.
Not at all.
You see it in nature.
Do you see individual hyenas?
Do you see individual whales?
I can keep going on.
Go back to the cavemen timeframe. Yeah . . . about that person who went out and just killed that bison by himself.
Your comment made me think of the beginning of History of the World. The scene where the guy goes out to kill the 'dinosaur thingy' by himself and then the other cavemen just watched.
No one person can survive without others.
LOL ..
@ea, "" You can't survive without others"".. people did it for years and I'm not hoping for it but I "think" I'm ok with nobody else being around.
@Marion
"Survival of the least stupid. Lol. Survival of the ones who can outlive, outsmart or outfight the others.
Darwinism and survival of the fittest are interchangeable in my opinion. Fittest* can mean lots of things."
Then you are dead.
You can't survive without others.
NYC Mayor Eric Adams Considering Giving Out Free Tents for Illegal Immigrants to Camp in City Parks
Welcome to America.
Survival of the least stupid. Lol. Survival of the ones who can outlive, outsmart or outfight the others.
Darwinism and survival of the fittest are interchangeable in my opinion. Fittest* can mean lots of things.
@Marion
In my best princess bride . . . you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think.
Is it Darwinism or survival of the fittest?
@EA: again.... as I've stated for the record many times..... I'm a huge fan of Darwinism.
@Marion
"@EA: it's called food. My ancestors followed the food, as the sea levels rose (as they naturally do) my ancestors were cut off and migrated south. As far as your "reunion" theory, I'd ask the tribes how they felt about that. Being killed into submission through attrition probably didn't feel like a family reunion."
Did they follow the food? Migration patterns would disagree with that. Considering that it was not a 30 day crossing :)
You are also falling for the fallacy that @2much fell for. Somehow, some way, for the ~13,000 years that the crossers were in the Americas it was all kumbaya. As if a group got to a spot and said, in whatever language they were using, "I hereby proclaim that this area is ours. Please do not trespass." That because of that there was no violence. PFFT. That is pure and utter bullshit. Humans have killed other humans since we became a species. To be completely naive and believe that it was something new once Columbus got here is just ignorant. The only thing that changed when Columbus got here was, horses were brought over and then there was a different set of humans killing them, other than other 'natives.'
@EA: it's called food. My ancestors followed the food, as the sea levels rose (as they naturally do) my ancestors were cut off and migrated south. As far as your "reunion" theory, I'd ask the tribes how they felt about that. Being killed into submission through attrition probably didn't feel like a family reunion.
I never thought I'd actually hope for a magnetic pole shift in my lifetime, but it'd be strangely satisfying.
@Marion
This is an expansion of an argument I had with @2much.
Let's look at what Columbus did. Did he invade? No, not really. All he did was re-unite humans that had been separated for about 13,000 years. The group that left Siberia and walked over the Bering Strait, well, when we hit an ice age, they lost that bridge and were now separated from the other humans.
During that 13,000 years what happened? How did we get Aztecs, Mayans, American Indians? They didn't exist when they walked over the strait. It was humans fighting with other humans over something that started separating them. They are no different biologically than those in Europe that evolved over the 13,000 years.
Are there distinct human races? No. That is a man made cultural thing.
So being 30% of some American Tribe has as much value as me being 49.9% Ashkenazi. Your ancestors were not invaded, they were re-united. The cultures fought. Just like the cultures 100 years prior, 1000 years prior, 10,000 years prior. Ever wonder where the phrase same shit different day comes from? Just look at humans interacting with others.
I think reparations are due !
@Marion
Rolling blackouts in CA. Do you have any clue of anything in CA or do you get all your news from Fox? Let's see . . . in 2020, I think July or August, we had some serious fucking heatwaves. The blackouts were a tiny blip and didn't impact that many people. Prior to that, I think it was in 2000 when the last one occured. Now if you want to argue that power goes out here? Yes, it does. Just like in Florida. Amazing what happens when you have hurricanes or fires or floods or other natural disasters hit.
Again with the coal . . . Dude, get the fuck off of FOX news. I know you are younger than me, but every President since Bill Clinton has promised to bring coal back. At least Hillary had the BALLS to say, "Coal is dead and we need re-education programs for WV." Look at how many coal jobs there were in 1950 and then each decade. fred.stlouisfed. org/series/CES1021210001 That shows 85 to today.
I keep telling you capitalism. Very few businessmen really give a fuck about the environment. They are too concerned about fiduciary suits. wri. org/technical-perspectives/natural-gas-beat-coal-us-will-renewables-and-storage-soon-beat-natural-gas
That article states what I have been telling you. Why is it that Indiana said FUCK that NatGas plant?
I live in the real world. I do not spend my time in an area where everyone knows when you take a shit. I have lived in extremely large cities and tiny ass fucking cities. I travel to huge cities and tiny areas. I was in a city of under 2,000 Wednesday and a city under 3,000 Friday. I got to see what rural america looks like and the bitching about the guberment. Again, 83% of American's live in towns over 100k. So don't come and tell me that I am in the clouds? Pfft. You are living in 17% of America. I am living on the ground in 83% of America.
I will respond to the Native American in the next post.
@2out
"Fuck all that. Something CAN be done if you just dive in and do it. Will it be free of glitches? Hell no. At least I'm offering up possibilities while you're just offering up why we can't.
Why not just admit it. You want all the illegals we can get. (As long as they're not on your block)"
No.
You have not told me how you would close the border.
You have given me a pipe dream. Hell, it is something akin to a king who says, "I want ___" and therefore all the peasants work to make it happen. I have asked over and over.
HOW DO YOU CLOSE THE BORDER? As you stated, "Shut it down."
You have not answered that.
I pointed out that you have NO clue about how immigration works in this country. I pointed out that you have no idea about CPB One. Do you know that MORE immigrants come in via AIR than cross the border 'illegally' each month? Yet, you are arguing immigration but talking about the fucking border.
So which is it? Go after the wall and still have immigrants or what?
I have told you that I want immigrants. I have stated that I do not want unlimited immigrants. From a businessman's perspective, hell yeah, I want immigrants. From a citizen, hell yeah, I want immigrants.
LOL
@EA: life must be so very nice, 50,000ft above the real world. Rolling blackouts in California? The grid is taxed to say the least. I just saw on LinkedIn where 4 foreign country's are re-firing old coal fired electric plants to keep up with demand.
I love your disconnected believe system. Why don't you live in the grass instead of the clouds, so you can see how the real world works. The only thing we have a surplus of is drugs & crime. But don't worry, California is just so wonderful, I'm betting all those well meaning poor souls will love the weather and social services you provide.
BTW, I'm well over 30% native American, so I CAN bitch about ALL you colonizers & trespassers.
@EA... The reason the conversation is going nowhere is because there is one side that has a disconnect from reality. There is a side that has no memory of history as well. Then there is a side that looks at the data, looks at the history, and looks at the results.
I would say that this conversation is going nowhere is because of you. You are just like the political idiots we currently have. All you ever offer up is why something CAN'T be done. The stats say this or that. History tells us this.
Fuck all that. Something CAN be done if you just dive in and do it. Will it be free of glitches? Hell no. At least I'm offering up possibilities while you're just offering up why we can't.
Why not just admit it. You want all the illegals we can get. (As long as they're not on your block)
I have about 10 families within the square mile I live in. That's about 9 to many. I don't want more. It has NOTHING to do with race or nationality. It's a simple matter of wanting more than 941 sq. Ft. Per person.
