2nd impeachment

A 100 million dollars in cash was flown in to Chicago from Philly Fed. reserve weekly after obahma became pres.

Biden will be approving BIG FAT CHECKS to all those Democratic city’s that “peacefully protested”
We all know where that money will go !

TO THE LAUNDRY

How funny as we had to run and flee as my parents grocery store was looted and burned down in 1967 riots in Detroit.. yes that was peaceful protest and dozens died, innocent stores burned and looted, and neighborhoods never.. ever came back.. same in Miami, LA, and any big city who had riots..

Once again hypocrisy at its best.. and now you see it in your face!

EROTIC---->@PHX Your 'logical conclusion' ends at your nose. You left off the fact that if a few thousand people can barnstorm the government and execute the elected officials what happens next time?

You are always a jewel. When in the same response you sprinkle FACT / IF / HYPOTHETICAL / ASSUMPTION you've just run yourself off the rails. If we play to all your fanciful leaps of faith then I guess you Progressives better back off on the defund the police initiatives you are pushing.

EROTIC---->Your logical conclusion is that there is a conclusion and it ends. The true logical conclusion is that it doesn't end. It is just shifted from whomever wants someone out of power.

LMAO you need a bigger shovel buddy. How is your statement any different than the absurd over promise, under deliver, abuse of power that has been going on between the parties for as long as I've had the privilege to cast a vote. These idiots are going to spend us into eventual bankruptcy but I don't see a Mad Max Thunderdome scenario happening in my lifetime. But brother.....you spin one hell of a good FUD yarn.

You left off the fact that if a few thousand people can barnstorm the government and execute the elected officials what happens next time?

So let's use a hypothetical, Trump won.

Elitists killed Trump by barnstorming.

Pence is sworn in.

Pelosi is still speaker.

Senate is 50/50

Pence appoints Sarah Palin as VP.

Elitists are pissed that they didn't get what they wanted.

Elitists barnstorm again. They take out Pence and Palin.

Pelosi is now President.

She appoints AOC as her VP.

Newsome appoints someone else to replace Pelosi.

Interesting. We now had the 'elitist' group of a few thousand override what the will of the people.

Now, the Trumpsters are pissed. It's their turn.

They barnstorm and kill Pelosi and AOC and the new leader of the house.

Well fuck . . . now what? We have lost the #1, #2, and #3 all at the same time.

I dunno who becomes president then, is it the janitor?

This can go on and on.

I can't seem to find a downside to that scenario.

I just was reading some of the posts, and that beautiful Wall we taxpayers bought was mentioned. I looked up how much it cost, and it's about $15B for 450 miles of wall, most of which replaced previous wall. The actual number of new wall seems to keep changing. In my research I've found 4, 40, and 80 miles of new wall all reported, and it seems to keep increasing in spectacular manner, which makes me think it's just people BS'ing and the number is actually low and they're just trying to inflate it. Anyway, the price per mile is $33,000,000. That's right, $33M per mile. Does that seem like a lot to you? Yeesh... My taxes went to that?

sapplovers: "You call it "mostly a peaceful protest." What would you call the other part that was not peaceful?"

Violent unjustified insurrection.

In the 60's it was the same thing. a mass of basically peaceful, protestors and a few weather underground/SDS types who instigated violence sometimes with the intention of involving the peaceful types who didn't succeed in getting out of Dodge before the fun started.

To quote a friend from the time. "Nothing radicalizes these peaceniks like getting them bloodied." He and others tried to get them in the front line just before the rocks flew.

What I saw was a mass of folks making noise and otherwise doing what we recognize as "peaceful" I also saw a few hundred asses bent on mayhem.
THEY are truly the enemy of us all.

We serve their interests when we paint with too wide of a brush.

Trump threatens McConnell's power.

Mitch doesn't want him marginalized because he has "seen the light" or has become altruistic, or has a new found respect for democracy.

He wants Trump out of the way so that he can continue to move the country towards oligarchy.

Trump turns off the middle where elections are won...

The political gamble is that Trump has no more value to the republicans. So they are going to toss him aside.

Wanna see something similar . . .

Johnny Depp.

Depp made the studios a fuck ton of money.

Depp has a TON of fans.

Depp became too toxic for the studios that he wasn't worth the shit. Sure he has tons of fans. The calculation is that it is not worth it.

Now . . .

I by no means am convinced that the Trump cult consists of 74mm people. The cult consists, mainly, of people who were NOT mainstream before. McConnell and others have, more than likely, calculated out that the republican party can survive those people going back into the shadows. He is already probably calculated that if he does this, the Joe Scarboroughs of the world who left the party, will come back.

@Tbr

"Now Trump is becoming too toxic generally, and has too big a hold on the Republican base....He wants Trump out of the way...."

These phrases appear to be contradictory in nature. If Trump has such a hold (i agree). How can he 'get out of the way'????

@PHX

Your 'logical conclusion' ends at your nose.

You left off the fact that if a few thousand people can barnstorm the government and execute the elected officials what happens next time?

So let's use a hypothetical, Trump won.

Elitists killed Trump by barnstorming.

Pence is sworn in.

Pelosi is still speaker.

Senate is 50/50

Pence appoints Sarah Palin as VP.

Elitists are pissed that they didn't get what they wanted.

Elitists barnstorm again. They take out Pence and Palin.

Pelosi is now President.

She appoints AOC as her VP.

Newsome appoints someone else to replace Pelosi.

Interesting. We now had the 'elitist' group of a few thousand override what the will of the people.

Now, the Trumpsters are pissed. It's their turn.

They barnstorm and kill Pelosi and AOC and the new leader of the house.

Well fuck . . . now what? We have lost the #1, #2, and #3 all at the same time.

I dunno who becomes president then, is it the janitor?

This can go on and on.

Your logical conclusion is that there is a conclusion and it ends. The true logical conclusion is that it doesn't end. It is just shifted from whomever wants someone out of power.

TBRMKSS,

Yes, such an important point: the inequities and inadequacies of our education funding at every level, from pre-school to K-5, Junior High, High School and College.

Private schools became a boon after desegregation. My home state of New Jersey depends on local school districts to fund public education, and the amount of funding (by property taxes) varies terribly by the wealth of the district. I'm sure its the same in many states.

The cost of college education has become so high, even exorbitant, even for so-called public universities. You know this much better than I do.

The college bribery scandal is the tip of the sewer in terms of the advantages of inherited wealth.

College rankings should include the percentage of first generation in college students that a university or college graduates.

I like the call for forgiveness of college loans.

Other countries make so affordable the best college colleges and universities in their countries, which is why in part they have higher rates of social mobility right now than the USA.

Trump University and Betsy DeVos may be the nadir of all what's wrong in education.

For Your Information or For Your Curiosity: Take a look at the Posse Scholars Program or Foundation, if you are not familiar with it. Obama gave some oif his Nobel Prize winnings to this program/foundation. For me, it's a model for how, in the face of education inequities, some organizations are finding small ways that overcome these inequities.

EROTIC---->Would you be OK with that group invading the Whitehouse and killing trump? Don't try the logistics bullshit counter-argument. The question states that they invaded and killed trump, the means is not relevant.

Nice subtle shift from the logistical/physical building to the personal/moral angle. Sure, let's go down your emotional rabbit hole. Since we are just winging it for even more shits and grins let's say it was BLM that invaded the White House and killed Trump. Does that mean we'd get to call every African American a race that killed an American President? Pffft of course not. But in the current narrative we find a growing chorus of Elites suggesting even demanding the country deprogram MAGA followers. That MAGA needs to be exorcised from the American lexicon.

Whew.....Now that we've clutched our pearls, wrung our hands and pointed fingers at different parts of the American experience let's go back to the basis. If BLM killed Trump what would happen? Well duh, just like Lyndon B. Johnson, Mike Pence would take the oath of office and become the next President of the United States, from wherever he stood. In other words Democracy would continue uninterrupted. You want to make it about the person, the emotion, the narrative when it's really about the process. We have a Designated Survivor for a reason you know. In other words my good friend across the aisle, Democracy is not a marble floored building in a particular city where a bunch of Elitist Politicians work part-time, spout nonsense and accomplish little to nothing.

However I cede to your rationale that for political expediency you need to pull out that broad brush and make it about Red vs Blue instead of Red, White and Blue. Those are the times we are living in......

Some of the things you cite have not ended.

School segregation is worse now than at the time of Brown v. Board. Not du jure, but de facto...

Equity gaps persist at all levels of education.

The Head Start program, for whom I once worked, is still woefully underfunded.

We still have a lot of work to do.

TBRMKSS,

We are a terribly violent, imperialistic, warlike country that has its foundation in violence, and that violence is not just wars but riots, mobs, lynching, domestic violence against women, etc. etc.

I would say we all have had a side that is committed to peace. Every war the USA has fought has faced its opposition. Thoreau's essay "Resistance to Civil Government" was written in protest to the War with Mexico.

Slavery is one of the two worst tragic systems of violence in American history along with ethnic cleansing and genocide and conquest of Native Americans to gain possession of property, real estate.

But an abolition movement arose to protest slavery and helped to end it.

We have made some effort in fits and starts to reckon with the violence done to Native Americans, but we are far too blind to how warlike the USA has been.

If you are 18, the USA has been at war for about 97% of your life. Most people can not even count anywhere near accurately the number of wars and military interventions that the USA has made in its history or in their own lifetimes.

But the USA was transformed to end segregation by a minister who preached non-violence and it worked.

The USA has a deeply racist history but also a history of anti-racism.

We came of age so shaped by the antiwar movement that arose in protest to the Vietnam War.

We are a nation full of paradoxes and contradictions and conflicts between different sides of we are: American the Ugly as well as American the beautiful.

In this moment, I see mostly the ugliness.

I would say along with Robert Frost that I have a lover's quarrel with the USA. There's stuff I hate and stuff I love.

"Mr. McConnell has finally owned up to the truth: the lies formulated and perpetuated by President Trump led to the incitement of insurrection."

The only truth that McConnell has owned up to is the Trumpers threat to his power.

He gleefully went along with Trump while it served his purpose.

Now Trump is becoming too toxic generally, and has too big a hold on the Republican base.

He wants Trump out of the way. There is no epiphany here...

"Play out the logical conclusion. So what if some left/right rag tag bunch took over a freaking building in Washington DC. As much as Don Lemon likes to cry about it, that would not have ended much less dented Democracy. It's a freaking building. The ONLY difference between that and burning down a CVS? The inhabitants; Joe Six Pack working a double shift vs the Political Elite working a few days a week, that ain't Democracy that's Elitism at it's core. I could give two shits if Nancy Pelosi or Kevin McCarthy soiled themselves that day hiding under their desks. In fact, I kind of hope they did."

No, that is not the logical conclusion. That is a projection.

So let's choose a name for the 'left.' Because the left is not BLM. The left is not Antifa. The left may have some members in both, but not all in those are on the left. So how about . . . Elitists. Yeah, let's use that. That is what we are often called.

So if the Elitists did what happened on the 6th, how would I feel? The same fucking way I felt about the assholes on the 6th. Imprision, capital punishment, deport. That is the logical conclusion from my argument.

The logical conclusion that you can infer from what I wrote is that the people who are 2nd and 3rd in line to run the country are much more valuable to the stability of the country than Jennifer, the cashier at CVS. Hell, I am just like Jennifer, just like you. We were not elected to run the country.

The logical conclusion of your belief system is that democracy is NOT fragile. That by killing the 2nd and 3rd in charge, then imprisoning the rest of congress would not damage democracy. Hmm. I think democracy is fragile. I think that if you can have a few thousand people come in, and overthrow elected leaders whenever they don't like what they did, that will lead to an extremely heavy military presence and shift to authoritarian rule.

Here let me try it this way.

Would you be OK with that group invading the Whitehouse and killing trump? Don't try the logistics bullshit counter-argument. The question states that they invaded and killed trump, the means is not relevant. I dislike a SHITLOAD of things that he has done. I don't want to see him taken out by some crazy Elitist :)

America has a conscience. Americans, inherently know what is right and wrong. Seeing a group of dumbass wannabe warriors try to overthrow the government is wrong. Even those that did this shit, if you told them that it could be done to 'their guy' would understand that it is wrong.

The more and more I think about this . . . the more and more I think that Yang is onto something. The more and more that I realize that a simple dental receptionist was right. My family's dentist is in Tijuana. Yes. In Mexico. It takes us about 5 hours to get there. Not only does he give significantly better service than we have seen here in the US, he does it for generally 20-25% of the cost. The last time we were there, the start of Covid, the receptionist who escorts you from the border to the office (not because of crime, but because it's easy as fuck to get lost!) spoke perfect English. She was from Sacramento. She lives in TJ now. I asked her why. She stated, she just wants a comfortable life. In the US, she found it a struggle to earn enough to get to a comfortable level. There she could. I think she speaks for a LOT of Americans. I think some of those Americans, who do not have a comfortable life, are the ones who went after Pence and Pelosi.

Per CNN:
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday that the mob that attacked the Capitol was "provoked" by President Donald Trump, placing part of the responsibility on him for the deadly riot, as the Senate prepares for an impeachment trial on whether to convict the President for "incitement of insurrection" and potentially disqualify him from holding office in the future.

The typically tight-lipped Senate Republican leader rarely broke from Trump in his four years as president. But he led the Senate's certification of the presidential election that the rioters pledged to overturn, and has strongly condemned the violence at the Capitol he has served in as a senator for 36 years.
"The mob was fed lies," McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, said on the Senate floor. "They were provoked by the President and other powerful people."

Mr. McConnell has finally owned up to the truth: the lies formulated and perpetuated by President Trump led to the incitement of insurrection.

Now, there is a clear division: those who acknowledge "the big lie" of the stolen election, and those who do not. It is no longer Republicans versus Democrats. The Republican party must look in the mirror. It's members must account to themselves. Among elected representatives, they must account to their constituents.

"The USA has a conflicted relationship to violence."

No we don't.

We celebrate violence at every occasion.

Our highest praise is reserved for soldiers, whose mission is violence.

Our most popular sports, are the most violent (Football, WWE, stock car racing, boxing).

I could go on, but you get the idea...

SAPP---->PhnxFun, January 6th in Washington DC may have looked like "mostly a peaceful protest" to you, but obviously we see the same things through a different lens.

Based on your writings we definitely see things through a different lens. Again, play it to the logical conclusion. Had they completely taken over a mere brick and mortar structure what would have happened? Could they have made laws that we all need to abide by? Could they have control of the military? Could they positively or negatively impact interstate commerce? Would the SSN and Food Stamps checks or debit cards no longer work? Could they waged war on another country? Could they negotiate treaties with other countries? Could they issue Executive Orders? Is it possible that NORAD could no longer track Santa Claus? Could they mandate that only their true believers receive COVID19 vaccinations? Would we finally see Hillary Clintons emails? (LOL I just threw the HRC emails in there for the pearl clutchers in the crowd). GASP would the $27,810,437,500,999 National Debt grow faster or slower?

2MUCH---->I'm surprised about PHX being supportive of sedition.

(Doing my best Home Alone face). See that's the substantial difference between the two of us. Me? I was not the least bit surprised that was your reaction.

The USA has a conflicted relationship to violence. It has a tradition of justifying and enacting violence for the pursuit of political ends (July 4, 1776) and a tradition of preaching non-violence (Martin Luther King Jr) and trying to resolve conflicts through speech, talk, debate, legislation, elections.

As H. Rap Brown said, violence is as American as cherry pie.

The Declaration of Independence is a justifying of violence or war for a political end. I'm sure King George III would have called the Revolution an act of sedition, treason, rebellion.

July 4, 1776 was prefaced by the battles of Lexington and Concord in 1775. Call the Minutemen anti-facists or Antifa.

Colonial protests in the included much protest--sometimes violent--against the policing of the British soldiers in the Colonies.

In 1771, there was the "Boston Massacre," where colonists talking back to British soldiers or throwing snow balls at them led to a killing by the soliders of 5 or 6 colonists, including Crispus Attucks, who was a person of color (a multiracial mix of Native American, Afrifcan and white).

The Boston Tea Party was an action that destroyed at least $100,000 in property.

Colonial mobs or activists protesting the Stamp Act broke into and looted the home of a British officer (Thomas Hutchinson) in 1765.

John Brown led a slave rebellion and became honored for it by many. Nat Turner led a slave rebellion in 1831, and he's looked upon some as a terrorist, but I'd call him a freedom fighter.

I am adamantly opposed to the violence and incitement to violence by Trump that took place on January 6, 2021.

We do have a long tradition as well of fighting to defend white supremacy, such as happened in the terribly violent riot in Wilmington, North Carolina in 1898 to prevent Black people from voting in an election.

The majority of mass criminal actions in the USA--a mass actions done by groups of people that are criminal or illegal--has been done in the USA against African American by white mobs, including lynch mobs.

I'm surprised about PHX being supportive of sedition.

PhnxFun,

January 6th in Washington DC may have looked like "mostly a peaceful protest" to you, but obviously we see the same things through a different lens.

For me, it was a mob riot, an insurrection, a storming of the Capitol building by violent and illegal breaking and entering into the Capitol building that led to one woman breaking in getting shot and killed.

I look at the videos and I see police getting beaten up, with some police officers fearing for their lives.

300 people, right now, have been arrested for the storming of the Capitol building.

You call it "mostly a peaceful protest." I see it as a mob riot incited by Trump who called for stopping the steal by "fighting like hell." Mo Brooks called upon people to "kiss ass." Rudy Giuliani called for "trial by combat."

To me, it looks like "trial by combat" that deliberately broke up, with violence, a legal proceeding that was about to certify Joe Biden as President of the USA.

We have picture of people carrying into the building zip ties to bind people up. Members of Congress and the Senate--and their staff--feared for their lives.

You call it "mostly a peaceful protest." What would you call the other part that was not peaceful?

Please listen to the Capitol police officers who had to deal with the mob insurrection in terms of how they describe what happened.

EROTIC---->Freedom has no value if violence is the price.

Were that statement treated equal, in all circumstances, we'd agree. You are far left, I'm center right so we of course see things thru a different lens. Take a walk in downtown Phoenix or downtown Los Angeles, violence happens every night, 24x7, a high % of the population doesn't even blink about that. The ONLY reason people are falling out is for partisan reasons and to claim the (rolling eyes) moral high ground. When we ALL claim the same moral outrage at violence against the citizens and not JUST the Politicians you'll have my attention. Until then, you are doing what you do best, argue for argument sake :)

Play out the logical conclusion. So what if some left/right rag tag bunch took over a freaking building in Washington DC. As much as Don Lemon likes to cry about it, that would not have ended much less dented Democracy. It's a freaking building. The ONLY difference between that and burning down a CVS? The inhabitants; Joe Six Pack working a double shift vs the Political Elite working a few days a week, that ain't Democracy that's Elitism at it's core. I could give two shits if Nancy Pelosi or Kevin McCarthy soiled themselves that day hiding under their desks. In fact, I kind of hope they did.