I just asked Mrs LA this question. She was unaware it was going around social media.
She responded "via text, we are currently together": well both could hurt me but I could talk to the man and most men aren't out to intentionally hurt women where the bear would see me as a threat and food and would be much more dangerous. I choose the man.
So glad I married a smart woman. You always play the odds.
Well.... I don't have to use my imagination. I've seen it. My second wife had her tits grabbed at a bar I was working at. She necked an MGD and popped the guy in the cheek bone. He went down like a dropped lightbulb. I'm sure he still carries a scar. My current wife gets hit on all the time at her job. She is perfectly capable of handling it physically if needed.
You are the one using your imagination, that's obvious. Connecting an injury received while sleeping ("using my imagination"* ) probably from a person you were in a relationship with to a random attack is a stretch. I'll give you a second example that's relevant... my first wife called a few years ago complaining about how her WIFE was beating her & abusive.... I simply asked her if her wife had broken one or more of her legs? After a brief silence, she hung up... because she knew exactly what I was asking... they are still married and beating the shit out of each other as far as I know.....
We have a few simple rules in our house, all of which are concrete and irrevocable. One of those rules is. There is no sympathy for self inflicted wounds. I'm sure you get the context.
"...YOU of all people here aren't proficient in at least one form of legitimate unarmed self defense."
I never said I wasn't.
"The context of the question is what pisses me off.... it (in my opinion) gives limited responses to a situation that has only one obvious answer, carry a gun or learn how to fight if you are that damned terrified."
You're assuming terror when I'm telling you women aren't terrified, just living their lives aware of the risk of injury and death from the monsters walking around looking just like everyone else. In other words, you've resurrected the strawman and come to an incorrect conclusion again.
The worst physical damage I've sustained - and it was significant - was inflicted when I was sleeping. Neither of your solutions would have prevented that injury.
Look, instead of tilting at strawmen and giving canned responses based on your limited palette of options, try using your imagination. It couldn't hurt.
"The misogynists are outing themselves on this subject."
NEGATIVE GHOST RIDER::::
I believe and have actively worked (pro Bono) for YEARS giving women the skills and tools to defend themselves from a TWO LEGGED attacker...
What I teach in classes is real self defense.. not booty camp kickboxing... the most petite lady I ever taught came within a gnats ass of breaking my arm a few years ago, during a demonstration... I teach women how to maim , cripple (for life) and potentially kill an attacker within the first few seconds of an attack. If "I" used anything I teach these women, against an unarmed man, I'd go to prison.
@GGMM: my problem is with the presumption of being victimized. The question is a small box. Any woman should be able to reasonably defend herself from an unarmed man. IDK how you choose to exist.... but since you have enumerated several past experiences where you were victimized.... I'm shocked that (since you have decided that carrying a gun doesn't enhance ones safety) that YOU of all people here aren't proficient in at least one form of legitimate unarmed self defense.
Krav Maga, BJJ, Muay Tia ect are extremely effective against people.... not so much bears....
The context of the question is what pisses me off.... it (in my opinion) gives limited responses to a situation that has only one obvious answer, carry a gun or learn how to fight if you are that damned terrified.
<p>"<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">Keys in the hand when going to a parking lot."</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">I've done that many a times and I am a man. When I was in community college, I had some night classes and the campus was usually fairly deserted at that time of night. I always walked with my keys in my hand. I never thought to myself, "I really hope there are bears roaming campus and not other men!"</span></p>
5 and over the years , our experiences vanilla world including both in high MGT careers, swinging and with friends.. we have seen some just love the BS Drama that life brings them without ever dealing with it head on.. it makes them feel special! Usually always blaming someone else..
For us we deal with all head on !
"It's just reinforcement for a popular feminist doctrine. Men are the problem.*"
I understood your point. And while I would like this to be a doctrinal difference, it isn't. Women, feminist or not (despite the popular view, few women identify as feminists, which is a political movement), live our lives aware of dangers that most men do not. Yes, men kill men all the time, but intimate partners are responsible for half of all murders of women. Rape is an ever present possibility for girls and women in a way it isn't for men. Many of us adapt in ways that are consistent with being prey. Keys in the hand when going to a parking lot. Smiling at bullshit. Not punching the guy that just grabbed our ass. Needing a checklist to stay safe while exiting a relationship.
Most of us don't even think about the steps we take to minimize risk because we've been doing it since we were children.
And the salient point is that the risk we consciously or un- are minimizing isn't from aliens or hamsters, it's from men. Might not be from you, but your neighbor? Maybe. The monsters look like everyone else and it's a continuum from calling the woman who won't pay attention to you in a bar a cunt to murdering your girlfriend for trying to leave you. Just different outlets for the rage at and dislike for women that some men have.
Why am I not surprised by the volume of comments that are blaming and shaming victims. The swing community tells on itself over and over and over...
@GGMM: Apples and oranges.... I'm pointing out the point of the "test" not questioning your answer.
The test IS the problem. It forces you into an uncomfortable answer. It's just reinforcement for a popular feminist doctrine. Men are the problem.*
<p>"<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">The misogynists are outing themselves on this subject."</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">So are the misandrists.</span></p>
"You're actually missing the point."
Maybe. My initial thought was that women, because of their life experiences, would feel more threatened by a random man than a random bear. In other words, I would expect that women have more bad experiences with men than with bears. So, I'm not surprised at the responses.
Not going to turn this into a discussion about the dangers of encountering a bear or what type of bear is the worst to encounter or what to do in bear country but a friend (male) was badly mauled by a grizzly bear while biking on trails in a mountainous area. He survived and has the scars to remind him. On the plus side, he did get a helicopter ride out of the ordeal.
Darn good thing it was just a grizzly and not ManBearPig. That would have been bad. M'kay.
"The saddest part about this whole man or bear discussion is not the fact that women overwhelmingly pick the bear. The saddest thing is that men overwhelmingly don’t believe the women."
The misogynists are outing themselves on this subject.
“ It's victim mentality reinforcement. Pure and simple. It's reinforcing the idea that a woman is a victim of circumstance and not capable of defining her outcome.”
BINGO…
"It's victim mentality reinforcement."
Uh huh. Tell us all about how women experience the world. Please. It's so important that you share your wisdom.
It's victim mentality reinforcement. Pure and simple. It's reinforcing the idea that a woman is a victim of circumstance and not capable of defining her outcome.
“ people are just fucking stupid and it can’t be fixed..”
I see it differently.
People are reacting in many ways that others had not expected. It’s actually refreshing, and it’s honest, and it’s an opportunity to glimpse the huge differences of perspective. I wish people weren’t getting angry about it, but even the anger is something that we can learn from.
I suspect that there are many quiet conversations happening right now that started something like this:
“Do you really feel that way? I had no idea…”
Just more bullshit to separate people. I guess you just have the ability and the brains not to jump into anything quick. We have known each other since 3rd grade. Known not dated, We dated for 3 years before cohabiting and two more years before marrying. It will be 45 years in December. We have watched so many people make foolish mistakes ant thought with their body parts not their brains. There are abusers both mental and physical on both genders. Sometimes I think people are just fucking stupid and it can’t be fixed..
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen.
I’m conditioned to think of men, who are notoriously grumpy and frequently won’t take “no” for an answer.
The saddest part about this whole man or bear discussion is not the fact that women overwhelmingly pick the bear. The saddest thing is that men overwhelmingly don’t believe the women.
“ Still, bears probably don't let it last more than a day.”
True. Admittedly, I’m conditioned to think of brown bear, who are notoriously grumpy, and frequently won’t take “no” for an answer.
"...trying to make some social/political argument that ALL men are predators."
Maybe, but the reason women are responding as they are is not the sociopolitical argument but our actual experience that while not all men, etc., there are enough for the well to be sufficiently poisoned that women's behavior has evolved to account for the possibility that every man is a potential predator.
Depends on the location, time of year and type of bear. Black bears are relatively benign, as long as you stay away from the cubs. Brown bears and grizzlies can be dangerous year-round, but especially before and after hibernation when they're looking to gorge themselves. Polar bears are scary as fuck. They're pretty much the only animal that is evolved to actively hunt humans. Makes sharks look like vegan guppies.
Men are often more dangerous, but that meme is all about painting with a wide brush, trying to make some social/political argument that ALL men are predators. The same douches who tout the meme are often the same people that freak out when women decide to arm themselves.
Still, bears probably don't let it last more than a day. So, not 18 years or nine months or two weeks or two days and the bear probably won't call friends over or sell you. Just to outline a few nightmare scenarios that are not only possible but have happened to women.
