#88-Marcela Alonso has done it all: from exotic dancer to unicorn to couple threesomes

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Speaker1: Hey everybody, it is Tarana Unicorn with Sex and Swinging Podcast. I am here with a fellow sex positive podcaster, Marcella from the Get Schooled Podcast. Hello. Hi, thank you for having me on. So I just had the pleasure of meeting you for an interview for your podcast. So you've interviewed Tarana Unicorn for your podcast. And I was so captivated with some of our side stories that I was like, Oh my God, girl, you've got your own stories to share. So from what I understand, you have lived more of my slutty dreams than a like myself ever could. I need emotional connection before I would even have a pussy that gets wet, okay? And so you don't have that problem from what I've gathered. You are able to fuck whoever you want to fuck. Sometimes you don't even necessarily feel anything until after is something, a gist that I got. And so I love that you've had a life exploring, you know, free, open-minded sex with that in mind. So why don't you introduce yourself for the listeners? and then feel free to take as much time as you want talking about your story okay i'm marcella lon so um so i have a very interesting story i had a child at a young age and therefore i started becoming i became an exotic dancer at a very young age and i danced nude and some i know in canada it's not a big deal but in the states people are more conservative in the states and right away i had to do what i had to do and i actually started dancing at 17 um snuck in the clubs and you know i had to do what i had to do because i had to do I had a child the day after my 16th birthday and yeah so in order to support myself because and I was in the state of Florida which is actually very difficult it's Florida is a very difficult state opposed to New York or California when you live in the state each state is different the way they take care of you so in order to take care of myself I had no choice because I was trying I tried everything else I did waitressing and I tried different jobs and all that. I went right away. I knew exotic dancing. I could make money. So I started doing lap dancing and it didn't bother me to be naked at all. So right away, you know, I'm dancing on naked people and all that. And I learned, um, I would see couples coming in and this is, I'm going to tell you how I got into the lifestyle. And I learned, um, talking to couples was kind of easy because, um, you know, men were gross, but couples were, due to the fact that all of a sudden the men behaved with the couple, with the woman, wife there, right? And all you had to do is kind of talk to the wife. The way to the wallet was talking to the woman. So generally, you know, if a couple came in and I wanted to make money, it was more relaxed going to the couple. And so I would talk to the wife. Oh, you're pretty. Become friends with her. You understand? And then right away, get dances and all that. And it was very comfortable. Comforting. Do you understand? Opposed to, you know, this perverted guy grabbing you and everything like that. So I always knew there was like that comfort level, you know? And when you, when you did dance with a girl, it was, and the guy would behave like, because the wife was there, you know what I'm saying? Opposed to one-on-one with a guy. Would some guys one-on-one would be gentlemen, you know? Right. You know, but generally. You don't know until the dance is over which one they're going to be essentially, right. A majority of couples, And I always called them pre-swingers because it was always before. A majority of couples that would come into the strip club were behave. Now, once in a while, you did have some jealous girls that were dragged in by boyfriends and they would give you dirty looks. But that was, it was very much, it was always, you always wanted to go to a couple where it was all about the woman or she's grabbing you, she's excited. And a lot of girls would just avoid the couples. There got to a point where, You know, dating was very, very hard being an exotic dancer because no guy would have set me. And I wanted community. And hanging out with dancers after a while, this is what's happened. Like all you're doing, you're hanging out with all these exotic dancers and all you hear is how much did you make? How was your night? How much did you make? Whatever. It's kind of a negative environment. It's all about money. So I knew hanging out with couples was cool. But then also there was a part of me that I was like, hey, one day, I want this open-minded guy that I could go to strip clubs with, that I could do, you know, like I knew I also wanted this open-minded guy because I had dated like busted guy after busted guy that was just jealous. So I kind of knew that the community was out there and it was about the year 2009, I got on a site called Lifestyle Lounge and it was very popular in California and right away I met a a photographer, he's kind of a douchebag. And he was a single guy. We hanged out a couple times. He was okay. He was cool. And then I met another couple who I was friends. I'm still friends with a male partner to this day. Unfortunately, they broke up. And it's weird. It's like a brother-sister relationship it turned into. That couple was very, very friendly. They were like, My first couple that I really hanged out with. It was a very good relationship. They eventually got a third person. So but that the male partner, me and him became friends. But it was very weird, I say, because it's like a brother sister relationship. Right? Yeah, that doesn't usually mesh well with the sexy side. Yeah, well, we didn't we didn't have that sexy side. But we like I've always been able to confide to him. Do you understand? Yeah. So it was, it's a very, very good friendship to this day. I can say I'm, I'm still friends with him to this day. And it's a very positive friendship. Um, I can say a lot of wonderful things about him. Um, and again, he had, he's such a Casanova. He had two girlfriends at one time. So, um, for many years I was, you know, I got first got into the lifestyle and I went to, and I was in LA and I had, when I lived in Los Angeles, I just had a wonderful time over there. I feel like this is way before pre-pandemic. The parties in LA were just fantastic. We'd see lots of celebrities, went to mansion parties. Couples were great. There wasn't some, the single guys that I was friends with, I wasn't like, it was only like three or four, not as many as I'm coming across now. They were around, but I had more positive single guy experiences where they They were probably the best friends with benefits that I have them now because I didn't have that need for a relationship, but I knew what it was. And the couples, when I first got in, it was a way better experience. And I don't know if it was pre-pandemic or whatever, but it was just great because they spoiled me. They took me out. Great experience in L.A. But then I got involved with my ex. And then I spoiled him a bit. What does that mean? What does spoiled him a bit mean? I also work on television film. And I met my ex on the set of Entourage. It was kind of like a romantic thing. It's kind of interesting. And I got with him, but I brought probably over 20 different girls to him. Because the more I notice something, the more secure I feel in a relationship with a partner, not with every guy. Okay. I want to bring in a third person and it's enjoyable. So with him, and because at the time I was dancing and it was easy, I kept on bringing in different girls. And then we would go to parties. We would go to parties with like three or four girls to lifestyle events. Yeah. Also, I have to say he was very good looking. So it was easy. And he did behave. I'll give him that. But it came to the point where I had to put it into it because he did this one thing and he got he got in over his head. He was very vanilla. And he never had a threesome till me. I also had been having threesomes way before I entered the lifestyle since I probably was 19. So and I can go into that story, too. because I had a friend from high school. Did you ever identify as a unicorn, like the term? I didn't really until I went into the lifestyle. I just was very open. Like I said, I had a friend in high school, a male friend, that I used to just bring different girls around and I'd be like, go fuck her, go fuck her, like that. And it was just fun. I wasn't, but me and him were friends with benefits, but I would just be like, go fuck her, go fuck her. And what's funny is my cousin is now friends. My cousin in Florida is now friends with him and his wife. Wow. So you were having threesomes with couples before you even knew what the lifestyle was. This is the life choice you were making. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. So because it doesn't like I can have sex with people and not get attached. Right. But once I get attached, I know I'm not poly. Once I get attached, it's only emotionally attached to one person though. I know that. So I know I'm not. Yeah. So, um, but I know I'm not demisexual and I'll, I'll get into that. But, um, when my ex ruined, it was, he went behind my back. One day I came home sick. There was a girl that we had a threesome, which she's sitting there on the freaking couch and I'm coughing up. I'm sick. And I said, not to not, he didn't even discuss it with me. And I was really pissed off. I was like, What did you fucking do? Like you went behind my back? And the girl even was pissed at me. Like I was ready not to perform. And she sees I'm clearly sick. And from that day on, I was like, I cut it off. Wow. Because you went behind my back. Yeah. And I was like, I just could. So we never did anything. We never did anything ever again. And it kind of ruined the relationship because that's how I operate. I have to. Yeah. I have to be, you know, exploring. And you can't. I feel like I told a girlfriend of mine last night, you have to keep boundaries in relationship. You have to, you know, you can't, you have to communicate when you're a couple. If you, you have to discuss these things beforehand, you can't surprise, you can't do, oh, this is for a birthday or anything like that. That was, you know, it was uncalled for. And then he was mad at me because he goes, you tricked me into a relationship. I didn't trick you. This is what I like. This is what I enjoy. You know, so this is how I am. This is how I operate. We ended up moving. in 2019 to New York. And our relationship was very boring. We slept in two different beds. There was a period of many years we weren't sleeping to get like fucking at all. Yeah. So I was in a marriage where I was like suffering. And finally, I left him in 2023. And he was begging for me back. And because I want to say the marriage was over in 2020. 23, I was like, I had enough of this shit. And that was that because I was, you know, yeah, because it was just, I was just so disappointed. It was sleeping in two different beds, him not having sex with me, and then him not even taking me out, not, and then take, and then financially taking advantage of me because my father had died. And that was a whole nother topic. So then I was just like, what do I do? I was here in New York. And I got on that site 3F, which was a nightmare. And a couple fought in my living room. Oh, God. Yeah, you told me this. Yeah. And I was like, get me off this fucking site. Then I go to the site, SDC, which is now my affiliate. And I met some people like here and all that. I took a break. I tried vanilla dating for a second, which was a freaking nightmare. And I said, that's that's not it. Because the way I kind of like to just have sex, get it out of the way to see if they're any good. Yeah. I like to, I like to have sex the first day. It's just such a fascinating way to experience the lifestyle because I'm, I'm different. I, I, I actually, when I joined the Swinger Lifestyle, I actually wondered for a little bit of time if there was something wrong with me because I'm like, what, my friends can go and sleep with strangers. Like, why can't I, right? And so I really had to like reflect and come to the identity of demisexual to understand myself. But, uh, I always kind of secretly wished, I had that gene in me that could just go and have an orgy because I think group sex is artistically beautiful. I just I love the energy of it all. But, you know, the group sex I have had has been few and far between because, you know, for me, racking up five or six people I sleep with at the same time was not always easy. And so, yeah, hearing about your experiences with couples, I can't wait to hear more, especially, you know, you know what it's like being a single woman. I call it a unicorn. You might not identify that. I did wear the shirt. I promise you. I told you about it says unicorn does not equal escort and it is a promo for my online courses because I teach people how to you know how to land a single woman without pissing her off and and having without ruining their relationship but you and you would know firsthand what it's like to deal with some couples and I'm again not all couples but some couples when they're out there looking for a single woman for a threesome they are basically they'll come up to you and ask you if you do anal before they ask you your fucking name like they are fulfilling a sexual fantasy scene and then get the fuck out essentially right and so that's the vibe have you had experiences with couples where it was clearly like they were going to be sexually using you as a human sex toy oh yeah yeah and i prefer like i'll be honest i prefer like there's a couple that i i noticed this it when you meet couples out sometimes it's better than if you meet them online Why is that? I don't, I don't know. I hate to say, I've had, when I was in LA, when I met the couples out, I had way better experience than online. It's just something like, um, my friend thought she, I was talking to her last night. I met her and her husband with my other single girlfriend in person. And it's like, we have a great friendship. It's just a better, I guess. Cause online it's so, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. Like people look at your profile, they look at your pictures and they I judge you. You get what I'm saying? People look at my social media, and I get so much judgmental on my, I hear this, oh, you looking for another follower? Are you looking, like, because I have a big social media, and I'm like, I don't need another follower, you know what I'm saying? Like, I already have a social media, okay? You know, like, they get intimidated without even knowing me. So people meet me in person, and then they're like, oh, wow, you know? So it's, when you talk to me, it's a different story um so but it and um i just noticed it's a difference um but so when you met people in in person did you go and have like i don't know like a 10 minute hangout and then you'd fuck them or like did it take a long time uh each person's different and i'm gonna say this though honestly the better looking people i don't have an issue with But sometimes people that are self-confident, or what's the word? How do you say it? Insecure people have an issue. I can tell. Right. The comparison, even? Things like, oh, she's prettier. Yeah, and I'm just like, get over it. I'm not even looking at... I'm not even... They're showing me that they feel insecure sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. And then, or intimidated by me. And I'm just like, I'm not even, they start pointing out stuff. Oh, look at this on me. Look at that. And I'm like, I was, I didn't even notice that about you. Now you're pointing it out. Right. You want to pull out scars? I got to pull out too. They'll start. Yeah. I got de-selected for a threesome because I had never had a baby. And so my vagina was disqualified. What? Yes. Because they didn't want that tight pussy. They wanted to have someone else who had had a baby as the woman. They couldn't use me because I have this rare disorder. Listen to this. I physically cannot pop a baby out of my pussy. I have this disorder that I can only have C-sections. Back in the day, I would have died in childbirth, literally, because I cannot dialing. So my pussy would have not qualified. So those people are ignorant. as fuck because I would have not qualified in that situation but if you think about the deep-rooted insecurity of you know my vagina is a bit loose and now my husband's gonna remember what it's like to fuck a tight put like I can understand that people might have some reservations about it but I just remember feeling so discriminated against because I was like okay like that's a weird you know we vibed otherwise like you know like that sucks but you know ever I got just you know my asshole can stretch so I don't know what they're talking about Yeah, you said you like anal. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, my ass looking stretch there now. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, I could take a big one up the ass. Like, there you go. That should be on your unicorn profile. Be like, that's funny. Because people sometimes like the gaping thing and like fisting it. And I was like, don't like I have a very, very tight vagina. It is. It's like a first time every time. Really? Like, yeah. And I don't know if it's, you know, it's good. It's good. But like, I could never have two penises in my vagina at the same time DVP never it's it's I've been wanting that like and a lot of people do a lot of people have DP fantasies things like that but no I'm I'm too tight down there so so tell us about some of the couple experiences you had you said that you like being treated well taken out spoiled I have been in the past right do you understand I have been in the past when I was in L.A. Here, you know, I want to say I've met two good couples and one of them are my good friends. And, you know, that I just happened to meet at a nightclub and they're very good people that I've had good experience with, that they're great people. But in L.A., like they just treated me like class. You know what I'm saying? That hands down, like they respected you. over here, I don't know what these people are jackasses over here, like in New York. Yeah, there. And there's a lot of weird single. I don't know what the I'll be honest, I think in New York, a lot of the guys are the they're bisexual. Right? Yeah, I think it's nothing wrong if they are, you know, I can peg a guy if he wants, you know, oh, yeah, pegging is so common of a fantasy for for even straight men. It is because how could you not want to explore that hole? Like there is a hole in your body that has feelings. And you're telling me you don't what a six and see what happens like it's just funny um but no i i personally but have helped match make a friend peg somebody so we were at a sex club and we were going around doing what i like to call intrusive question game and people talk about what their hope is for the night and this guy he said his hope was to get pegged and my friend was her hope was to peg someone and so i literally made the sound ding and then they talked and then they went upstairs and so sure enough he had packed a strap and he was just hoping someone would peg him that night and so it was magic to watch it happen but yeah lots of guys like to get pegged yeah but no in la they were like roll out the road carpet pick like oh you want to go to a party pick you up take you out and then when i got with my ex i did the same thing for girls i'd pick them up and feed them and and right the courtesy and um i used to have on my sdc profile and people here had put the shit i just put you know keep in mind us single girls we take care of our own finances and so many people like a couple people lost their shit that i put that i said we take care of our financial obligations you know and i and let them know that sometimes we're busy and a couple people like i had one lady write me uh this isn't matched up i'm like i'm writing down that sometimes we're busy working which is true because one week there was a couple that came into town and i couldn't hang out with them because I had a freaking work and that's the fucking truth I didn't ask them to take off you know what I'm saying I came into this lifestyle for community to hang out you know what I'm saying and um you know and another time my husband was like oh it seems like you're trying to prostitute I said straight up I go you need to work on your reading comprehension right right you know like I didn't care I said you need to work on your reading comprehension right like the pure ignorance Well, I have been a single woman joining couples. Now I'm a couple looking for a single woman. You've been both successfully. So you said something really key just now. You treated the single women the way that you like to be treated as a single woman. And so that's what people need to understand is like there is a level of chivalry, if you will, that is almost expected as a single woman who has options. And so I'm not going to pay for my own Uber to your house. and I'm not going to go all the way to Timbuktu just because you're hosting in your house like get a hotel room near me like these are the kind of things that if a couple would naturally and organically kind of be that be that I don't know what the right word is chivalrous is the word but I would be more inclined to fuck them because I felt better and safer than some person that was like come and you know take a train an hour away to come and have sex with us and you know what one night I remember me and my ex we had two girls one of them was drunk and we wanted to make sure she wasn't going to throw up and we wanted to make sure she was good now we didn't all fuck or whatever we said hey do you want something to eat we made sure we said what do you want to eat do you want denny's do you want fast food whatever uh california we in and out we took her to in and out right her made sure she was we would have took her to denny you know yeah we didn't have to do that we stopped we got her food took her home you know what i'm saying and We didn't take advantage of her when she was drunk. We made sure she was okay. Walked her to her door. Made sure the door was locked. That's what you do. That is what you do. Especially if you've been a single woman. I felt unsafe around couples before. Not because of them, but because they didn't care about how I was going to get home. I remember being in that moment realizing once you have sex with a couple, you lose your power, essentially. If they're not going to treat you well, that's when you're about to find out. out. And so it really kind of startled me, but it also in a good way, you know, we are responsible for our own safety and treatment as well. Also, couples need to realize this. Let's say you go out with a single girl and she gets drunk or some, somebody roofies her or something and she's choking and you drop her off and she passes out that night and you're, you're being careless. And the last person who's known has been you and you didn't watch after her. Now you're a suspect. Yeah, that's true. My mother used to put ID. So the thing is, my mom used to put so many scenarios in my head. That's why I like, but you still have to watch out, make sure stuff you get what I'm saying. And this is where couple like, I can't believe stuff here. Like people don't like, hey, you know, text me when you get home, do stuff like that. You got to look out. You got to watch, you know, watch your back. So you want to make sure like, hey, are you okay when the girls are out with you? Because even if you have a single girl with you, somebody, else could be doing something. You know, if you all go out together, my good friend, the first couple, this is what I loved about him. And kind of like he became a brother to me because he would say, if we walk in together, we're all leaving together. And he would make sure and he like he became like a big brother to me because he would watch out if the other men are around or single guys were around and nothing would happen. And I felt so secure with him to this day, you know. And that's why, like, they were the number one people that I always wanted to be around. Wow. Yeah. And so you've said you've made friends in the lifestyle just like I have with people who you don't sleep with, even though you're in a sex-positive community. Yes. It's very normal to have just friends. Yes. I didn't know that before. I was, I didn't think I would have qualified for the lifestyle community if I was supposed to fuck everybody I met or, you know, everybody I went to a potluck to. Instead of bringing a dish, you bring your, you know, you bring your husband. I don't know I just I needed to find my own space in this lifestyle too and it sounds uh it sounds like we've had very similar experiences with couples I've had the red carpet rolled out I love the couples who fed me you know dinner like that was just above and beyond so um so how many threesomes would you say you have had oh shit oh shit that's what some I got one time I told a guy I got I've been probably more girls than you have um I can't even, you know, one night I had two threesomes back to back. With different couples? Or the same couple? With two guys and then the guy and the girl. Oh, wow. Okay, nice. So you've had a busy night, yeah. I had a, one night I had that, yeah. I can't even tell you. I can't even, I can't even begin to tell you. I can't even begin to tell you. Let's just say, is it over 40? Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like it's a crazy amount. It's just because like, like I said, since I was younger and you know, yeah, it's a lot. Wow. Well, you have had a lot of experience. I remember when I came in to the sex club and lifestyle, I was still so vanilla bread. I'm going to say it that way that I didn't know that you could have sex with someone else on the same day that you had sex with someone else. I thought you, if you went to the sex, club and hooked up you know that was it you fulfilled your goal and then it blew my mind to watch people maybe shower and then go and fuck someone else and i was like you can do that like i i had all this unpacking of vanilla mainstream conditioning and it doesn't sound like you did it sounds like you beat you you know you you lived your life to the beat of your own drum since you were what like 19 having these experiences yeah wow pretty much where does your influence come from just because it's me and then I'm not as bad as I have a good friend that's worse than me that's a porn star that like yeah you've interviewed a lot of porn stars yeah yeah one of my good friends is way worse than me um naturally and I just never could be do porn because I didn't want to see my body and I like stuff behind closed doors and that's just me but um right you know it just I kind of you know what when I started I like to get the sex out of the way. And you know, it's crazy. The sex could be good. But then I don't want anything. I don't want a deep relationship. I've had the best sex ever with people and not want a relationship. Right? Yeah. And it's the weirdest thing with me. And then I've had the sex and then been like, Oh, my God, I'm in love. Yeah, you know? Yeah. I remember one of my my long love stories. It started with the worst pickup sex ever, like to the point where I said I was a little dry and he took a bottle of water and dumped it on my vagina on my bed instead of just like knowing what to do and I just it was I didn't want to see him again but then you know we ended up bumping into each other and falling in love and shit so it was really weird because bad sex can leave to a bond it's well I that's where I believe in astrology in a way too though because that's why my other podcasts I have astrology pod yeah oh cool you have more than I have more than one too I thought I was unique so So why don't you introduce Get Schooled? You have had quite a number of really cool interviews on there. So why don't you introduce your podcast to people who aren't aware yet? Oh, okay. So Get Schooled with Marcel Alonso. It first originally started because during the pandemic, of course, I've been in sex work since I was 17 years old. I was an exotic dancer, as you know. Everybody jumped into OnlyFans. And then all of a sudden, like there was like these telegram groups and people knew everything that went from Mary Kay to OnlyFans. They knew more than me. And I wanted people to start coming on that new, like to educate people about sex work. And then I started bringing in therapists and people like in the lifestyle to educate people, like people, you know, education that you can't find anywhere else. And because of FOSTA-SESTA, which was passed in 2018, it's a bill, you can't find a lot of information in the United States. So I wanted to bring people with real lived experience on and a sexuality base so um it first started off more with like sex different various sex workers and porn stars and stuff like that and then i've just brought in like different people like polyamory people people in the lifestyle i didn't know what demisexual was i was like what is this terms like so i brought in uh jessica day love who um she's absolutely fascinating i brought in decolonizing love which is um That woman, Millie, is absolutely amazing about polyamory. Those people are amazing people, very evolved. Right. Because you've got people in New York saying they're poly and they're really swingers. There's a weird thing going on in New York over here. They need Millie to straighten them out. Right, right. So, you know, I get school I like because I get people that come on that are, like, educating the public. And so it's a great podcast. And it's been growing. and I love people to listen. And then I have Dissecting Astrology, which is new with an actual astrologer. The new podcast that I started and we pop culture dissect like people like Tupac, Whitney Houston, Ariana Grande, you name it, all different types of celebrities and we go through their birth charts. Amazing. Tina Turner. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. So I will put all the links in the description of the podcast as well. But yeah, I did. I saw your wide breadth of interviews and you I was I was honored to get an invite to go on your podcast and be amongst all the other voices I also I'm going to scoop up some of those interview guests and write myself some invites because they were absolutely fascinating so as a content creator I don't know if you can relate but sometimes I'm a little tunnel visioned in my own content and I can't even make the space to take in what my what my allies instead of competitors are doing right in this in this space and so to hear a couple clips from your podcast I was It's like, holy shit, there's some really good people, speakers out there that I would love to add. What I like to call their most. Oh, I had Dr. Evan Goldstein talk about anal sex. Okay. And he was a great doctor because he was great to have on, too. So I'm bringing in some doctors to talk about sexuality, too. Wow, so you can actually talk about the body. Oh, yeah, he was great. And I kind of manifested him because, you know, I love anal sex. But it's something to educate people about anal sex. And he was great to have on, too. Because he talks about proper prepping. You know, we all have different ways of prepping. Like, I'm a little bit neurotic about prepping. What is prep? I know that some people don't eat that way. So this is another thing, like, I joke with guys, too. I'm like, listen, because I like to have sex. I let guys, I go, look, you don't even have to feed me. Feed me afterwards. I go, because I don't eat the day of. Let's just have sex. And I like anal sex. And I go, get me pizza afterwards. Now, one guy, I'm like, take me to fucking Wendy's afterwards because I like anal sex. I go, because there was a joke going around about don't take me to, what was it called? Don't take me to Cheesecake Factory. Well, I'm the opposite. Just feed me a fucking piece of pizza or something. But after the anal, not before. Yeah. And then I get mad. I get mad. I'm like, I want to starve myself. Like, so I, he says not to starve yourself. I go ahead and starve myself. I'm like, I'm proud. Like, right. That is commitment. You must really like anal. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And what is it that you like about it? It feels better to me. Okay. Better. Wow. See, I have to give it to like, I like it in all of the holes, but no. Interesting. Yeah. For me, if I have anal, it's like, it's really, it's awkward, uncomfortable, painful until it feels good then I can get it as hard and fast as the guy can give it oh you got a little bit and then but first you've got it so what you have to do is you got it before you even do it sometimes you have to like do a butt plug or a dilator before he doesn't recommend right yeah but um like at home real quick and then I just have to ride that but I just feel I feel like it's intrusive and I wish I could like anal because you know I have a t-shirt that says three hole princess because I do do anal sometimes so I can claim that. But I feel a little bit sad that sometimes I can't offer anything else up. And I just can't get into it. I'm afraid I'm hurting my body. It feels like I don't understand how people can just... Oh, let me show you how to... I'm like, I'll show you how to enjoy a person. After I show you a person, you'll be like, whoa, that's the way. Wow. Yeah, no, it's really cool. We're all into so many different things. So, um, cool. There's a way, there's a will. Like, right, right. It's true. It's true. And I, I have had anal sex that I've enjoyed, but it was never fun. The entrance moment for me, it was just always like, hurry up and get to that place where it feels okay. Yeah. But sometimes you can't rush it like that. That's the thing. And the right person, you don't, you can't do that. You have to be relaxed. And then sometimes you have to like rub yourself, like rub your click. right when it's going in, that's the key. That's what I heard is key is like stimulation at the same time. Do you do it with your fingers or do you do it with a toy? Either. Like interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I can understand how that could feel good. Yeah. And then, yeah. Okay. Well, I'm going to try out some anal tips from you. Trust me. Trust me. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for sharing your world. And, uh, I love that you offer the space for people with all these different voices of a broader community of sex positivity, I would say. Polyamory and swinging are not the same thing, but there's overlap. There are swingers who are polyamorous and polyamorous who are swingers. And there's lots of people who aren't. And so I love that you have all these different voices and I'm honored to have mine as part of it. So thank you. And I'll make sure you put, I'll put the links and any final words? Well, guys, you can come in. You want to follow all my site, Marcella Sobella. Please check out my podcast. and uh don't forget to rate it five stars yeah and you got a spicy instagram i'm gonna oh yeah you know some nice some nice photos so uh awesome well thank you so much yes thank you for having me