Dive deep into the alluring depths of the swingers and kink world in today’s tantalizing episode of The Swinging Single Podcast. Join your charismatic host, AC Maxwell, as they explore the riveting life of the infamous Bad Kitty Mia. Known for her daring adventures and insightful guidance in the realms of non-traditional relationships, Mia sheds light on a lifestyle that intrigues and bewilders many.In this episode, AC and Mia navigate the nuances of living a life dedicated to exploring desires without boundaries. From the thrills of first encounters to the complexities of maintaining personal space and consent in the dynamics of swinging and kink, Mia’s stories are a beacon for those seeking to understand or enter these worlds. Listeners will gain a rare glimpse into the practices that define the community, the challenges faced by those within it, and the profound journey of self-discovery it can lead to.Beyond the allure of the lifestyle, this conversation delves into the importance of communication, consent, and emotional intelligence within the swingers and kink communities. Bad Kitty Mia not only shares her personal anecdotes but offers wisdom for anyone curious about navigating these spaces safely and respectfully.Whether you identify as part of the lifestyle, hold curiosity about its inner workings, or simply love a good story about love and freedom, this episode promises to enlighten, entertain, and inspire. Join us as we peel back the curtain on a world where desires are embraced, and life is lived to the fullest.Warning: This episode contains mature themes and is intended for an adult audience. Listener discretion is advised.Tune in to The Swinging Single Podcast with AC Maxwell, and embark on a journey of discovery, adventure, and understanding into the heart of the swingers and kink lifestyle.
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hello adventurous souls and welcome back to the swinging single podcast i'm your guide on this journey into love and liberation ac maxwell now today's episode well it promises to be one of the most thrilling yet we're going beyond unusual into territories where few dare to tread but many are curious about yes my friends we're talking about the intersection of the swingers lifestyle and the world of kink who and who better to navigate these enticing waters with uh with us than the special guest my special guest the one and only bad kitty mia mia is not just a celebrated figure in the lifestyle she's a beacon for those exploring their boundaries you can laugh a storyteller with experiences that could leave you breathless with the heart on mostly and most importantly an advocate for safe consensual and utterly invigorating encounters today Mia is going to share with us the highs the lows the outright exuberation aspects of living a life that embraces both the swingers and kink communities from navigating consent in more complex scenarios to maintaining personal boundaries while exploring with others me as insights our treasure trove of the curious and the experience alike so whether you're firmly planted in the lifestyle just dipping your toes or head of your cock in there or here for the riveting tells to pull up a chair have your wife sit on your face this is going to be a journey through a heart of desire freedom and in this quest for fulfillment bad key bad kitty mia welcome to the show hi all right the swinging single podcast with host ac maxwell is intended for entertainment and educational purposes only.
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But today we got Bad Kitty Mia, a.k bad kitty mia aka mia she's going to come talk to us about her life and all that stuff we met how did we meet oh geez um tinder bumble bumble on one of those dating websites or it was one of those hookup websites that we call so we met just recently and i wanted to and she's into the world of swinging and kink and she's one of those oddities because she is an actual single female single female she's not married plain alone uh she is actually a single she calls herself the unicorn but i thought unicorn was a bisexual woman that's what that that's what people want that's what people want yeah is that what they call them though um it really just depends on what circle you're in just really who gives a Fuck what it is.
Pretty much what people want? Yeah. Is that what they call them, though? It really just depends on what circle you're in. Just really who gives a fuck what it is? Pretty much. So I've been called a unicorn in the swinger world. I've been called a unicorn in the kink world just because I'm single. Okay. That's good. Well, all right. That's a little new. If you were going to go on Urban Dictionary and actually look up, yes, it would say bye. But that doesn't mean anything. I went over 105 terms in swinger. There's 105 terms for swinger. You know what?
You know how many terms were there when i started in 1998 two probably two soft swap and full swap that was it yep no one was none of this shit i have gotten to watch the uh the glossary of terms on fetlife really grow over the last you know i've been doing this for 20 years so i've gotten to watch it grow from you're just a kinkster to all of the different names yeah what happened to just i'm just a whore that went out the minute the internet was invented that went out the door all right so you're a single female so what initially attracted you to the swinger lifestyle to the kink lifestyle um so i have always been poly it has always um baffled me that people wanted to find one person and stick with one person and only ever have one person of course now i was raised uh devoutly christian and i remember oh here we go yeah i remember going to christian sex education and them pushing this don't hold hands don't kiss don't touch don't even get attached to anyone other than your husband right and i remember as a 12 year old going that's not realistic and the people at my table were like oh my gosh how could you say that so i knew i was different when i was little um and then i started kinking when i was 16 i don't recommend it, but that's when I started.
Why don't you recommend it? Well, you're underage. Because I was 16. Well, it was before the internet. Right? Yeah. So, and? And so it was very difficult. People took advantage of it a lot. So how did you find people at 16 years old with no internet? They're out there. But how did you find them? Hey, this guy likes to beat my ass. I hit the jackpot. I was dating a kid, a guy. We're still friends to this day. And he was reading comic books. And he was like, hey, did you know that this is a thing? And I was like, yeah. He was like, how did you know? And I was like, because that's how I am.
And we dated for like five years after that.
But yeah, it's really easy to explain when you have a comic book to be like, did you read this comic book that's how i am and then the internet came to be more popular about the time i got finished with undergraduate and and then it was vet life so college was a big exploration oh my god college was a crap shoot um so i can remember so i was in in undergrad i dated off and on um but it was always a like okay let's go on a regular date and you know back then i didn't call them vanilla dates uh it was a regular date and i made them go through at least three dates and then i would be like hey so what are you into in the bedroom like do you like it rough because that was really all you could say there were no there were no terms that you could be like i'm into impact or i'm into cnc or i'm into swinging or i'm into poly that wasn't really a thing unless you already had the books that were written in the 80s um which were banned from all public libraries at that point then uh you know you didn't have the vocabulary and then fetlife came around and so i have been on fetlife off and on since like 2009 so in?
FetLife. Do you remember? I think it was, I think it's registered as like, it was, you know, quote unquote invented in like 2008 or something like that. Okay. All right. So that's kink. Now there's kink and the swingers lifestyle, two different things. Two different things. So how did you get into the swingers lifestyle by actually opening up to having threesomes, foursomes, orgies?
So I was school uh and so let's just be a viable lesson parents if you don't want your kids to don't let your kids go up north for college no don't let your kids go to college at all pretty much pretty much college is the worst for you apparently apparently i learned a lot i just didn't learn what my family thought i was gonna learn so you're in grad school so i'm in grad school, and I was dating casually five different guys.
Jesus Christ uh-huh and so you have to keep in mind I'm young for my age range and so I was in grad school when I was 21 and there were other people in my same graduate program that were in their 40s and so when they found out that I was dating five different people they were like oh, oh, so you just swing. I was like, what? Okay, hold on, hold on. So where do you get to start talking to you about your sex life with a bunch of undergrads? I'm sorry. Have you ever had wine night with girls? No. Clearly. No. Two glasses of wine in and everybody's like, so young one, what are you into?
And you just kind of lie to them? And you just talk to them. No, I don't lie.
I they genuinely thought i was lying and then i started introducing people like hey this is number one this is number two this is number three and they were like oh my god you're serious so you told me you're fucking five guys no i said i was dating five guys because i was i was dating them so guy number one who i actually really liked i was sleeping with him um he what he was out of grad school already and he had a, and he needed someone to take when he went to business lunches and business dinners and to Christmas parties. He needed arm candy. He needed arm candy.
That's literally what I was. He had me saved in his phone as arm candy. Worked out really, really great. I got fed. He bought me a dress. He had my hair done. I was thrilled. Did you wear panties to these exes? God, no. I haven't worn panties in years.
All right, that's right that's good panties are awful just in case you're wondering about that um and then i had um guy number two he was blue collar okay he wanted the wife experience so he wanted like he wanted to buy groceries and he wanted me to make dinner and be home and what a horrible man it was horrible it was absolutely horrible it was really sad when he went away um and then i was dating another guy who was super religious and he wanted someone who was outrageous in bed which was you know like two or three things what are the two or three things oh he like he wanted me to ride him and he thought that was just like literally just be on top cow girl yeah and he thought that was scandalous um so i oh yeah because when you're told that yeah anything other than missionary is kinky you know yeah well and anything other than procreation is sinful he just thought i was spicy and i'm going so you're new for him you poor child anyway um number four was ethnic uh he was i don't remember exactly what country he was from but he was from like the middle east he was super fun he was very adventurous made great food we had a great time we watched movies he wasn't gonna wipe your ass up he no he was i don't even remember his name and then i had another one who lived in my building um he yeah he was just convenient um he had a really nice dick all right so that was the five main and then i had others that kind of came and went um i had another one who was in rodeo okay and so he kind of came and went would call me when he was in town we'd have a great time that was when i discovered primal i was 22 and he had come and gone several times and explain what primal is so primal is sorry i I forget.al is uh extremely um urge driven sex um so scratching and biting and chasing and pinning you down kind of situation leaving marks yes but not like impact marks like scratch marks bite marks um but yeah so he was super primal and we had played i call it played now, we had fucked about five or 10 times and he looked at me, he was like, I didn't know you were into primal.
And I was like, what? And you know, it finally gave it a word. And, um, so that was when I was like, okay, Google. Now the Google was a thing, you know, before then it was ask Jeeves. Uh, and I was like, how do I find primal people?
And that was kind of when I was like, yeah, that, that was when I when I was like oh my gosh there's this whole world of people out there like me and I had seen stuff there was you know it was out there but the only stuff that that you saw early on especially if you had no access to the internet internet like I didn't in high school because my parents were extremely religious was you could find stuff about you know the gay community and leather all right so that was still how's this wine night telling a bunch of old ladies in their 40s we're not old but mature mature ladies in their 40s about the five guys you're doing or having well i just how's that get to swinging so i really thought that that was more normal because what uh dating five guys at one time dating five guys so they wereating five guys.
So they were all a generation older than me. So I was like, oh, you guys dated around. And they were like, no. I thought that was totally my parents' generation to go, okay, I'm going to date casually these three people and then pick one and marry one. Because that was the stories that I was given by my parents and my grandparents. I'm going to tell you something. Those ladies were lying to you because they were doing that. Exactly. They weren't exclusive of one guy. No, they weren't exclusive. They were dating around. They dated with intention, but they still dated around.
And so that was my understanding was that people in the generation before me literally would date two or three people. Sometimes they would work out. Sometimes they wouldn't. And then they would pick the one that they agreed with the most and marry that person. So I thought, oh, gosh, these people are going to, you know, these ladies are going to be like me.
They're going to have dated and they're gonna have dated and they're gonna understand it no right and of course don't get me wrong this is the south so a lot of religion going on around here so i met with these women you know we're having wine i am just the anomaly and all of a sudden they want to hear about my life they want to hear about everything i've done they want to hear about all the adventures i've had who i'm dating who i'm sleeping with all of that so they said the word swinger to you yes and that was one of them was like oh so you you swing and i was like what do you mean i swing because i had only heard you swing both ways right and so i was like what do you mean i swing and she goes oh you're just you're a swinger you just go with couples and i was like no i'm dating these people individually wait a minute okay so i'm gonna make a prediction here the girl that said you sleep you with couples, she was probably a swinger herself, wasn't she?
Yes, absolutely. She asked me if I wanted to swing, and I said no. That's why she said, oh, you swing with couples when she said you're a swinger. Yeah. Because usually you wouldn't say, oh, you go straight to that. You would go to something else. Like, hey, you're not a swinger. Because to me, if you were saying, yeah, you're just dating five guys, you're just a hoe. Right. You're not a swinger. No, I got that a lot. I got that a lot. Like, oh, my God, how could you do that? It's so disgusting. That would be a hoe. It's not like I don't shower.
Oh, you're a swinger because you're just dating five guys you're just a hoe right no i got that a lot i got that a lot like oh my god how could you do that it's so disgusting like that would be a shower oh you're a swinger because you're dating five guys at the same time yeah now if you said yeah i'm fucking dating this one couple you know him and his girl wife want me to fuck then obviously oh yeah you're a swinger but to me it's just that's just being normal just doing your teenage thing well and that was my normal 20 20 my 20. My 20s thing. Yeah, I didn't.
So I left home at 17 and spent several years just trying to make it. Right. So then when I got to be about 19 and 20, that was when I was like, okay, I'm making it. I can pay my bills. I have some space for some adventures. And I started having adventures. All right. So go back to the swingers.
so she eventually came out that she and her husband swing she invited me yeah okay and and it's a no i don't swing close to home right so uh yeah and you know i wasn't interested in her particularly and so that was um i i don't i didn't ask for any clarification on it she was just like oh yeah so would you want to come over and meet my husband and i was like no too close to home so you get there you talk you hear the word swinger for the first time how's the swinging involved then because you said no to him um so it is easier to uh it is easier to find swingers than it is to find kinksters that do what i do um and also um so you know in the kink world it's called poly when you're willing to date multiple people when you're willing to be with multiple people.
It's a lot harder to find kinksters that do what I do. And also, so, you know, in the kink world, it's called poly. When you're willing to date multiple people, when you're willing to be with multiple people, it's a lot harder to find ethical poly than it is to find ethical swingers. Right. So it was significantly easier for me to find people to be with and fuck in the swinger community. Okay. It has kind of ebbed and flowed throughout. Again, I've been doing this for 20 years.
Soeves so i asked you no google was google was a lot by then where's swingers at um yeah and so there's all kinds of um facebook groups now uh back then there weren't as many but now there's facebook groups there's fucking a lot of drama yeah but uh so much drama so what was your first swinging what was your first so you you had your first kink experience when you're young 16 all right so when did you have your first swinging adventure first swinging adventure um was oh 21 okay um five years later five years later no 20 21 well yeah i was 16 but i'm talking like so when i was in years later from your yeah when i was in grad school i was i was 21 so it was like right after i finished grad school um if i say finished dropped out um I'll see you next time.
16 but i'm talking like so when i was in years later from your yeah when i was in grad school i was i was 21 so it was like right after i finished grad school um if i say finished dropped out um and so i had moved and met a couple that were older older than me like old enough to be my parents and uh so did that give you any reservation like i ain't gonna do this because when i first started couples would say no we're not gonna touch you because you're like our son's age i'm like what the fuck so they didn't care you didn't care they didn't care at all you didn't care about actually he came back years later after they got a divorce and was like hey do you want to date me now i have a very circular life things circle back around all the time um but yeah so it was we were we were out to dinner as a group there were several of us and people just started getting up and leaving the table and they were like hey what would you think about coming into our home and doing this with us and at the time um so i'm i'm straight and so at the time okay that's a good point to add that she is a straight woman she doesn't eat pussy nope would a woman eat your pussy yes she can do it absolutely but you're not going to reciprocate no all right what about sucking on titties that's fine you sucking on titties yeah okay so you're basically do everything with a woman set for pussy eating yep kissing yeah okay so you're by you're you shouldn't say you're not bi you should say bike friendly bi-friendly yeah you're bi-friendly if i bi-friendly.
If I call it bi-curious, then people want to, they're like, oh, I'm going to make you bi. I don't need that challenge in my life. That's how gay men are with me. Oh, you haven't found the right guy. I'm like, sorry, dude. You ain't fucking it. Yeah. No, I also was spoiled in undergrad. I had a really great friend who was bi, and she was like, let me show you what it can be like.
i was fucking spoiled okay and after that i haven't found anybody that was a that pretty b that i was that into c that was that into me as a woman as a woman yes and so like if the if the stars aligned and the clouds parted and the angel sang sure i'd go back to it right but that hasn't i keep hitting this microphone um but that hasn't happened since her. Oh, well, if the more you go to a swinger party, less than kink, if you go to a swinger party, you'll find a girl. Yeah. I'm also, I'm also super calm about it. I'm not actively seeking people out.
And also, you just wear shitty clothing where you don't show your figure because you do have a better body. Nude, she has actual, if you saw her, you'd be like, oh, she don't really have that good of a body. But when she takes her clothes off, it's like, what the fuck? I like a certain kind of clothes. I want to be comfortable. Well, you're very comfortable. I am. I'm very comfortable. And your clothes say, don't fuck with me. Yes. Yes, they do. It doesn't say, I'm open for business. So you haven't seen me in a club. You haven't seen what I wear to the club. No, I haven't.
You've seen that one outfit that you were like, oh, that's shitty. I saw that one outfit that you showed your friend, Miss B. That was it. That was it. But, so you go home with them. Yeah, I go home. Thank you.
one outfit that you were like oh that's shitty i saw that one outfit that you showed you your your friend miss b that was it that was it but so you go home with them yeah i go home i go home with them with the understanding that i'm just gonna fuck him right and she wants to watch she wants to get off and then she's gonna get on his face or whatever and um it was fine and then they were so concerned about me they were like are you okay are you okay do you okay? Do you have any, you know, are you second guessing this? Are you willing to do this again? And I was just like, you guys, I'm fine.
I don't know if they thought that I was brand new or that I really wasn't poly and that I was faking it to try to get laid. But it was this very odd, like they checked on me for days. Like, are you sure you're okay? They wanted that repeat. That's why. And that's fine. They wanted to keep you for themselves. Yeah, and that's fine. I get that.
But they were so concerned that I was was gonna bolt and run and be terrified and horrified and and all these things and i was like i'm i'm fine do you guys like do you guys need help do you need to talk to somebody it was very strange but i'm just that way i can just kind of compartmentalize same way that you know men's brains work that way they work in compartments my brain works that same way it's dtf for you you're down the fuck yeah you're not well i don't need a connection for you or anything no if your dick is pretty i'll fuck it all right and if you got a good mouth to eat my pussy you can eat your pussy too that's good too that works all right so you finally have your first swing let it out let it out don't worry about it this is gonzo style this is uncensored shit yeah well i don't want to cough into the microphone i don't worry about i do it all the time i fart and all that but so you have your first swinging lifestyle part thing yeah you found kinksters in your area you go to parties at the kink all right tell me about those kink parties so kink parties primarily happen at a house um they're house parties there are dungeons all over the place um they're expensive people don't really go to them now why don't people go to the dungeon it's not as social as a swingers club it does it costs to get in usually what happens is a group of people will rent out the dungeon okay and they will make a list of who can and can't enter right it's not social there is one in houston they do try to make it social a couple nights of the month right um but they specify it so if this is your kink if you have i'm just going to take the example that they have all the time if you're a little this is your night to come and be social at the dungeon okay and there's not necessarily play it's just littles being little well i don't fit into any of those things so do you like it where it's not social or do you like i don't mind that it's social i don't mind that at all what would you prefer what would be the perfect for bag uh bad kitty mia um i'm a house party person i want a smaller group i'm vetted with certain groups because i know the owners i know the people who run it i know the dungeon masters nothing's going to happen that's untoward quote unquote um and so it's very very safe and i don't love to play at dungeons because in the houston area specifically because i have watched people call red in a dungeon and the dungeon master go you're fine okay so red means red means stop that red means usually red means the lights come up and everything in the room stops we figure out what the problem is we solve the problem the lights come back down okay yeah all right and so what would be your biggest difference between swinging party and a kink party the casual swingers are very casual whereas kinksters want a contract and a list and you to sign things big huge difference it's like a business transaction it's very much a business transaction um i have blank contracts and blank lists in my house does that dry the pussy up a little bit no i love it you still can get wet it's like hey okay let me get my contract out yeah so like like let's say that someone contacts me on fet and they're like hey i want to play you at the next party and i haven't she's talking about fet life fet life sorry um so you know somebody contacts me on fet life hey i're like, Hey, I want to play you at the next party.
And I haven't, she's talking about FET life. Sorry. Um, so you know, somebody contacts me on FET life. Hey, I saw you play at this last party. Here's my references that, you know, they usually will send me about three references. They go, do you want to play with me at the next party? Um, we usually sit down at a restaurant or somewhere in the pub in public and there's a list. It's like three or four pages long and you go through and it's called the red, yellow, green list.
no yellow is a maybe and green is a yes let's do it and you go through and you both fill it out and then you compare and you contrast and you go okay well I'm into this and you're not into this and let's scratch that off the list and let's do these 10 things and then usually they have blank contracts and then you trade contracts so mine mine says my safe words are red yellow and green it says I. It says, I'm not willing to do X, Y, and Z. If you do that, I will make sure that the entirety of FetLife.com knows that you violated consent, that kind of thing. It's very, very straightforward.
It's all in black and white. And I do that. I didn't used to do that.
And then as I got older, I realized these people need something on paper so that when I go to these dungeon masters and go hey this is what he agreed to do uh and he didn't right then they have physical proof because it's hearsay right until i have that physical proof they need a notary on the call um i have had people ask me to notarize my contract i'm not doing that if we're two adults and we can't sign that'd be awesome you think about that's a that's a good side hustle for me i can go there and bring my notary stamp and all that yeah they can't notarize your screen name on a contract oh yeah you could sure you could i could probably call the state of texas yeah call the state of texas i need you to background check this i need you to do a notary on my change yeah um so yeah the kink world is very very black and white very organized now there is such a thing as pickup play where if like if i were to party and i were being played and somebody was like hey i want to try that with you then you can pick up i don't do pickup play that's not something i'm even willing to touch what about at a swing club though at a swingers club it's different everybody's super casual about it okay so you're fine with yeah but they're also you also have to keep in mind at kink parties i'm being hit with things okay i'm being whipped i am sometimes being set on fire i don't trust a random person to light me on fire that just i just met five minutes ago but i know i just watch that guy fuck somebody else okay great i know he knows how to fuck i want him to do that to me it's very very different there's, there's nothing life altering about that.
So you talk about your boundaries. What, so how do you establish your boundaries with your play partners? How do you talk to them about, Hey, this is what I want to do. And what happens when you have that conflict of interest like you just had? It's no harm, no foul. Um, so I have been to lunch with people and it's the red, yellow, and green list.
Um, and so i can just go in and go hey this is what i'm into so like one of the things that i'm not into um and this is going to be completely out of everybody's wheelhouse it's called rainbow play it's vomit yeah i don't do it i don't mess with it i don't want to be in the same room with it that's for you and your home and your shower you clean it up i am i am messing with that um so it's on my red list if somebody comes in and goes you know i really wanted to play this with you okay great we're done here and i just get up and leave right it's on my red list i'm not going to do it it's the same as somebody uh if some if somebody vanilla asked me out on a date i was like let's go to this restaurant they were like oh no i really want you to go and try putting jalapenos up your butt not doing that like leaving i don't know i just came up with something absolutely random okay that's good yeah i'm gonna say well someone asks you to stick jalapenos up here that's one spicy ass yeah that that's all right so name to that yeah so you say people right there dog we got another special guest on dog yeah tony the.
All right, anyway, so you have your boundaries. How many times – who is more – if you're at a swinger club versus a kink club, who's going to be more understanding of – I'm thinking kinksters will be more understanding of your boundaries, whereas swingers will be kind of bitchy a little – Not necessarily.
Not bitchy, but kind of like taken back or pushy so kinksters are a little more pushy um doms doms love to push boundaries okay um but that is reserved for people that they have been kinking with for a while um and i will have i actually just had it today uh i was like here's my boundary and he was he pushed and he pushed and i was like okay fine i'm a minute. What? So, you know, I'm, but I'm, I'm super stable in what I do and what I'm willing to do. Whereas somebody who's brand new is going to go, well, maybe I'll try it. I'm not going to do that. I know what I like. I know what I don't like.
The swingers have found my experience is, hey, my husband thinks you're pretty. Great. Not interested. it's that fast um or it's hey let me send him over so you can talk to him okay i'll talk to him i get you know give him five ten minutes oh okay yeah i just didn't i didn't realize that was you or you're right this is gonna be fun let's go do it okay all right so good that's good you hear that swingers you're actually not a bunch of pain in the asses. Not that much. No, not that much. All right, so you're straight. Straight. Actually, we're going to say you're bi-friendly. Bi-friendly, okay.
You're bi-friendly. Do you get any kickback or any slack or anything like that where they don't want to touch you now because they find out you're not into eating pussy yes so um a lot of swingers want to play as a couple right um and but to me like if i'm if say like me and you were a couple and we found another unicorn that's straight i'd be like why do i care if she fucking eats your pussy let's just have all have a great time one on my cock one, one on my face. Right, and that's perfectly fine for me. Most women are either bi-curious or they're bi.
And their guys want to find someone that they're going to be able to swap with and watch. Right. And that's just not me. Right.
I just don't understand why the bi is a major requirement for so many couples where it's just having fun everyone has fun i think it plays into a lot of the insecurities of well if she's going to my husband but not me then she's going to be way more into him and then he might leave me for her i think that's just my own personal that's probably 100 true yeah um so i the last time i had a serious uh swinger couple that i that i played with right um that's what it turned into so she was like oh no, you're going to really like me, and I'm going to turn you.
And I was like, I'm not going to turn you. So I slept with her husband. It was great. It was very convenient. She was there? No. We knew each other in real life. Okay. And so she was like, go. I know where you live. It's not like I'm not going to be able to find you. Right. And then he messed up.
There was another one okay yeah that was bi so they had another play partner and he went over to her house without telling his wife and stayed all day and she couldn't find him and she was like okay you're done and so later on we found out that he was he had been like messing around in secret like he was going over to her house without saying anything and she was bisexual she was bi yeah so she was playing with their other one also right um and it was a matter of and i think it was that particular unicorn that they were playing with was like i'm just going to drive a wedge between these two people um and uh and this is just again this is my personal understanding of it um after you know after the fact after finding out all the details going oh she was just going to drive a wedge and she was just going to take that for herself right and I think that's what happened because as soon as he wasn't allowed to play with her anymore she was no longer friends with the wife she didn't want anything to do with me deleted her profile from the from the group the whole thing just she just peaced out so were they friends outside of swinging yeah see i always say you should never bring friends into the lifestyle right let them stay friends find other friends but don't bring your best friend your best girlfriend because you know what she'll go you know what i want that dude i want him for myself same thing with guys guys will try to steal your girl too yeah well and and both of them had kids and i think she saw so their unicorn was was single right but she had three kids i think she saw how he took care of his own kids and went hey i want that for my kids and instead of going out and getting her own she was like i'm just gonna take yours wow that's a messed up story it is it's a little messed up um and there's there's drama like that in both lifestyles in kink and in swinging oh yeah i always think there's more drama in swinging and kink than there is in the irregular lifestyle i think we talked about this i think you've been in swinging too long i think there's way too much drama i don't think there's i don't you know you have your family drama you always got that crazy uncle your crazy cousin or your crazy sister a brother yeah there's always one crazy person but they're always consistent now when you got a couple you're swinging there's so much drama because what happens if two couples don't start don't like each other anymore it's like a divorce who gets who in the divorce yeah who gets to go with that side because they'll start talking shit about everybody so i think there's more drama in the lifestyle than there is in your regular life yeah vanilla so how do you set boundaries with friends because your friends will you said your friends know some of them do some of them do some of my vanilla friends know i'm not fucking your husband you're not licking my coochie um that's not usually a conversation that comes up i tell them this is how i am and i appreciate that you're not this way um and i'm really honest about it if like when um when people ask oh could i do you know could i try this with?
I make them wait for a really long time before that's okay. So I have a friend of mine, we're going to call her baby because she's considered a baby sub. I have known her for three years. Okay. And we've been talking about kink for two years consistently.
A month ago, I was like, okay, I'll take you to a party so you can see it i make them wait so long because there's all kinds of resources you can go out you can go online you can join a group you can go to a munch you can go to do all those things all by yourself you don't need me people are lazy people are very lazy and if you're not willing to put the work in then i'm not going to be the one to teach you right nobody taught me i had to learn the hard way and so yeah she she finally was like i really want to do this and i'm scared to go by myself and i was like okay i will take you to one party and after that she was like okay i really think that i can do this and she has she's gone off she's gone to some munches she's gone to some parties on her own um and now i'm like yay be free little bird go fly but but she ain't gonna cross no line with she's not gonna cross any lines with me and i told her that to begin with i was like i don't play with friends that's just not something that i do it doesn't ever end well i've watched so many other people go this is my best friend and she thinks she's kinky and then it completely breaks up not just their friendship but their whole group of friends right mostly it's younger people but that's what i'm saying about the lifestyle is like you bring more drama yeah it brings a lot of it brings a lot of heartache because people don't know how to handle it they're not premeditated about it um so like i've got friends that are vanilla and we all have um we all have a little code phrase so uh like my best friend she is not kinky in any way shape or form and she does not have any problems with me coming to her and going oh my gosh i went to this party and i had so much fun and i can just absolutely wreck this microphone.
That's what I can do. Um, I, she just lets me just absolutely gab about it and, you know, unload some words. Right. And then she looks at me, she goes, I'm so glad you had fun. That's not my lifestyle. That is our code phrase for I'm finished hearing about this. She'll do the same thing. She'll come to me and she will bitch about her husband and just, I will absolutely let her verbally unload and then I'll go, that's not my lifestyle.
And then the subject it works really really well it's a hard and fast boundary for me that's not my lifestyle means we're changing the subject so that your friends know that you ain't gonna be touching this pussy oh yeah yeah they're all they're all aware and and even my my current my current group of friends they all have been told multiple times I'm not touching that with a 10-foot pole right and they'll be like but have you thought about it again i don't need to think about it again so they always ask you to rethink it most people ask me to rethink most most people because they'll find out um and even people uh like so i was telling you about grad school people back then who were married then yeah are now all of a sudden going hey we're into swinging weren't you into that would you come back all the way out here to the middle of nowhere and swing with us?
No, I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole. I know you in real life. I know where you work. I know where you live. I know your wife's real name. No. Um, but yeah, so there's just very clear boundaries in my life with vanilla friends.
So how has swinging and kink affected your personal relationships with other men because you have been married right i have been married how is how is this effect how do you go tell a guy honey i like to be spanked and tied up and doing all this shit and you know i would like to sit on another man's face and do all this crazy shit how how is a new man and it was in the husband was he vanilla before he met he was vanilla i decided i wanted to get married and and i was like you know what i'm going to give all of this up so that i can get married because i want a life like all of my friends have right well my friends have really boring lives come to find out that i i know no i know that've seen their boring lives wow yeah um no i decided i was going to be vanilla and i will i will absolutely accept that blame people are like oh you got divorced because of x y and z no i'll accept the blame where i where i deserve to um and so i decided i wanted to be vanilla i think i made it we dated for about a year uh we got married and I think I made it about a year in and I was like, I am going physically insane that I lied to you.
This is who I am. This is what I do. And he, he gave it a real college try. So he was into going to, um, no, he was not. He didn't mind kinking in the bedroom. Um, but after about a year or two of playing at it, not really like playing it hard. He was like, I just don't think I can do this. And I was like, great, I'm going to need to step outside. I'm going to need to go find people that do this. And his reaction? His reaction was to completely disassociate from our entire life. So he just said, fuck it, I'm done? No, he was like, I don't want you to do that, but I also don't want to lose you.
And so he agreed that I could go and do this. He was like, I don't want to know about it. I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to see it. It better not come back to me. Okay. Great. I can absolutely do that. Sounds like a great arrangement. Yeah, it seems like it would be really great. He completely disassociated from our entire life at that point. I was no longer the person he wanted to see at the end of the day. I was no longer the person he wanted to sleep with. Quit sleeping in the bed.
It was i basically checked out he completely checked out yes um and i made it a couple more years after that and then i was like peace out i can't do this all right so he wasn't into it wasn't want to be a part of it he tried it he gave it the old college try nothing so what after you get divorced you start dating again how did the men react to your little um so men men react one of two ways yay let's try it or uh what yeah um there there are really only those two um those two reactions and i'm a i'm a three date kind of girl so i have no problems being completely upfront and honest on date one right um and then but i'm not going to do anything with anybody until date three.
Okay. Um, and so, you know, I tell them about it, date one and see what their reaction is. Okay. Um, date two, we, I bring it back up. Hey, what did you think? Did you do any research? Did you look into this? If they go, you know what? That's not for me. I just go, okay, great.
I don't mind dating, you know, vanilla, but I am not going to be committed to someone who's not in this lifestyle have you turned out a lot of vanilla boys i have mostly they quote unquote turn me down they're like i just i just can't so you haven't turned out made them come to the dark side i've turned down i've turned on a couple of them i've talked turn out oh um you know i don't keep up with the vanilla boys but now they're like oh yeah let's i don't keep up with them after that if they go i just can't do this i go okay great and then i save them as do not answer in my phone but have you met a vanilla person said fuck yeah let's do this oh yeah lots of them yeah um lots of them oh my gosh this is how i am i thought i was just crazy right um because it's pretty it's pretty hidden kink world is swinger world is just out there um but yeah the kink world is pretty hidden it's actually pretty hard to get into you have to so like if you want to go to a party in the houston area you have to join a group on fat life oh see that's the problem right there it's not open like it's not it's not open but i mean look at what we're doing like i don't know nothing about like i said i don't do kink i do swinging right okay so um i have to be very very careful about going to the chiropractor right because they're looking at my back about once a month i've got whip marks on my back right so i have to plan all of that around i carry your shirt off i do what the fuck is i never took my shirt off from my chiropractor well you don't wear a bra they don't have to check and make sure that you're in line and all of that so my chiropractor you wear you wear like i always wear my like yoga shorts and then she gives you a hospital gown and it's just open in the back i think she wants to see her titties i seriously doubt that i think so i think she's had lots of opportunities to do so and she has not so let's go it's a game it's a game man oh yeah it's a really really long game that she plays with everybody in her office she's trying to check you out there's no i don't understand what is the reason i seen women at what is it what's that one place called the joint i seen women go in there they don't take out their clothes yeah the joint's shitty well i go to a real chiropractor excuse me but like so you know so i'm i'm i try really hard to be safe about i have a little card that i carry around in my bag that's like hey i'm into bdsm all of these marks are consensual i promise i'm fine yes i understand what domestic abuse is it's just like the the safety card why can't i just make that up and just make you give it to you absolutely can you can make that up if you want but at least then they're not calling the cops on my way out the door going hey this girl came in and she's got whip marks all over her back was it the mma you're a ufc fighter that's all yeah because i look like I look like a UFC fighter.
Dude. A lot of people don't look like a UFC fighter. If you're about to be like, you totally look like that. Have you not seen those guys out in public? They don't look like fighters. They don't. That's why they whip people's ass when they go out, because no one knows. Look at this little dude. Let me fucking kill someone.
All right, so we're talking about your relationships so how has the relationship status been what's what does are you want to stay a single unicorn forever oh um i am at this lovely in between sorry the table is wagging um i'm at this lovely in between where i want to find my person right um i want to find that comfort level right but i'm not willing to give up who i am in order to do that um so realistically where are you going to find your other no clue okay what about uh the kink world any guys that have been like stood out say this could be long term yes um i'm seeing one right now that could be long term um he is not as into me as i am into him so that's just gonna stay uh you know and we play at parties and that's perfectly fine we play really really well um and so i told you i'm i'm an impact bottom which means i like to be spanked with all of the different stuff right And so he hits really, really nice.
That's the only way to put it. But I want more than he has to give right now. And so he's just not as into me. He's dating other people. That's fine. We're just, you know, I'm going to play the long game. I'm going to see what happens. What about a swinger dude? Um, that would be a different story. That seems a little more real life. So like in the kink world, when you're dating, you know, they're usually dating two or three people. So you don't ever go like you go to their house in the kink world. Yeah. So it's not it's less dating, like going to dinner and going out to places. Right.
Whereas swingers are like, let's go eat lunch. Let's go eat dinner. Let's go to the movies, which is adorable. I love it. But yeah, it would have to be. But what's wrong with that?
Nothing's wrong with nothing's wrong with that i think it's adorable okay yeah it's a nice gentleman thing to do okay so you meet a swinger guy and he says you know what you do your kink i'm not into it you you i don't want to go with you so i don't want to see it but you can go to your parties and get beat up and shit whatever get whipped and all that just come home to me at night that'd be fine okay yeah so that's what we got to get that's all you hear that listeners anyways so you might have another other person you're looking for that someone but you're going to be yourself you're going to be a swinger you're going to be a kingster you're going to do all that stuff yeah all right so now the problem is let's talk about other women.
What advice would you give to a single woman that's either in the swinger lifestyle or the kink lifestyle or just like you and both? What would you tell them to do? What would be the best advice? Be safer than you think you have to be. Right. So one of the things that I require is a clean bill of health. Right. You don't come at me with that piece of paper from your doctor stating you're clean. You don't get to play me. Right. That's all there is to it. Um, I didn't used to do that. I used to just take people at their word and I've had a couple of scary situations and now it's over.
I don't, I don't play with anybody that's not willing to show me that they're clean. Um, safety calls, meeting in public. I have the three date rule. I'm not doing anything until three dates. If they can't last three dates, they're not going to last three minutes. Let them go. Um, and let's be really honest. Uh, it's, it's a single woman's world. Um, men are a dime a dozen. If you think, oh my gosh, this one's amazing. Another one's going to come along. That's just as amazing. Right.
Um, I tell people like, like the baby sub that I was telling you about, I, I have reiterated over and over to her, be safer than you think you need to be. She's like, oh, I'm checking up on people. That is not enough. Be safer than you think you need to be. Well, I always tell all my listeners or anyone who can listen, I just say, swinging would not be around if women didn't swing. Right. It'll just be a bunch of gay dudes hanging out. Yes. That's all it would be.
And I go women until women learn they are the whole lifestyle that they should demand stuff from the husbands and the spouses the partners and all that because i want to fuck that guy i don't care what you say because you know what in all honesty she can just go to a bar and get two guys to do her oh yeah she can go anywhere it's not that hard i could walk in just about anywhere and be like hey i'm really horny does anybody want to have sex and somebody in the doctor's office would stand up be like sure let's go exactly and i try to tell dudes that go listen don't ask your wife to do anything that you're not willing to do so if you're not willing to let her pound another dude don't ask you don't ask your wife to fuck another woman i just broke up with a vanilla guy because of that he wanted He wanted me to only play with women.
But then he wanted to play with whoever he wanted to play with. And I was like, that's the double standard. And he just didn't see any problem with that. And I was like, okay, go not see a problem with it over there. Because he's afraid. This is what guys are. We're insecure, you know, dick size and everything.
We're afraid that some guy's going to fuck the shit out of you better than me then you're gonna leave me for him yeah and i'm always telling i i try to explain to the guys listen she's gonna leave you she's gonna leave you no matter what yeah doesn't matter if she's looking for a way out over there doesn't matter the sex could be worse but you know he's just a nicer guy than you or he has a better job than you yeah whatever she's gonna leave you so don't worry if that's not the thing you should be worried about because if she truly loves you she truly wants to be with you she'll be happy you mean you mean you let another man play with your wife and give her the orgasms that she's never had before she's gonna love you yeah i don't see why i don't see what's the problem at the end of the day it's um and this is what people don't understand at the end of the day it is how i'm I'm treated at home.
Right. If I'm happy at home, I'm going to keep coming home. Exactly. It doesn't, sex can be outside of the home. I'm still going to go home. Even if the sex is better with somebody else, I'm going to come home to where I'm being treated well and I'm happy. But it's those guys that constantly, let's do this. Let's go, let's have a threesome with a female all the time. Everything. It's always that. They pound it into their wives and their lives are, all right, fine, whatever. Let's do it. She just wants to do it to get it over with and done with it and get it out of the system and whatever.
And I just don't understand guys like that because that ruins the whole future. Yeah. It's just, it's horrible that these guys do that to them. And it's a lot of double standard. A lot of that is just the country that we live in. So you don't like the double standard. I don't like the double standard. And that's something that I stand up for myself with is I don't accept double standards. Right. So, and this goes the other way also. You have to make as much money as I do for me to mess with you. Okay. But at the same time, it's the other way around.
So if a guy comes to me, he's like, oh, you're just gold digging. You're right. I'm not going to mess with somebody who makes 10 times as much as I make. If he's okay with it, then it's a different story. Now, you say mess. You talk about dating and all that. Yeah, date, whether that be FET, whether that be swing. I'm just not going to date somebody. If you're just looking for a nice cock to fuck, they can make 20 bucks or whatever. Yeah.
But no, if I'm going to be with someone and make it, quote, Facebook official, remember when that was like the be all end all, you know, I want someone that I'm equally matched with. Right. So. That tail. It's very happy. You never, you never don't know where he is. That's for sure. So always be safe. Females. Did you hear that single females? Always be safe.
And weren't you the one that no that wasn't that that probably wasn't you anyways so you got to be able to you meet a guy say hey it's the future you meet some guy you're all good how important is communication in your experiences for me it's very important i know lots of women who are like oh i don't want to hear from him but about once a week i want to hear from him every day right yeah i'm talking about if you like you got married say you got married you're in the kink you're in the swinging you're all all that stuff how communication even for a married couple has to be on point yeah because you got to this you got to talk about your desires your wants because i know from personal experience desires change wants change how are you going to communicate that with your how do you how have you done that with how have I done that in the past um I do really well through um writing things down and texting things so um it's it's difficult for me to sit face to face with someone and go I want you to do a b and c it's a lot easier for me to formulate that thought right well on paper or via text message or via email so that's how i do really well i do really well over text um i do really well over messaging um and the other the other part of so you know i'm a submissive the other part of being a sub is i have a hard time speaking up for myself in the moment so i have to make sure that i'm with people who are checking in and going tell me stop doing what you're doing tell me out loud so the hubby's gonna have to be the man yes he's gonna have to say what are your desires yeah um and there's a there's a thing in the kink world called check-ins okay um some couples have them monthly some people have them daily right it's just up to you and so i'm gonna want them to set a check-in whether that's every month okay every month on the last saturday of the month we go and we have date night we have our check-in we talk about everything we need to talk about we do all the housekeeping so yeah and then it goes back to light and fluffy for the rest of the month so you want to go have check-ins with your husband yeah i want check i want check-ins with everybody i'm playing with right um like so i'm playing with somebody i was talking about the guy that i'm playing with that doesn't want as much out of me as i want out of him right We went three days without talking.
And I finally texted him today. And I was like, hey, I just need to make sure you're still alive because it's been three days. If you don't want to talk, that's fine. Just tell me, hey, I'm super busy. And he was like, yep, super swamped at work. I was like, great. Talk to you Saturday. All right. That's fine. I just want to know that you're okay. So you're going to struggle with communicating your needs then. I am. You think but, but I, because I come with that list, it's on there. It's, I need communication every day. It's, I need you to check in with me.
You know, I don't mind two or three days when you're busy. So you're married, you're living with that guy. He's going to have to keep saying, he's going to check in with you, even though he's living with you. No, I know like how many times a check-in would you need once a a week? Like a heavy check-in? Once a month. Once a month? Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Check-ins in the kink world are even more than that. It's okay. Let's look at the calendar. Let's see what parties are coming up. What do we want to go to? What do we want to play when we're there? What are we going to have you wear?
It's all the housekeeping. So basically, he's really telling you what to wear and all that.
Oh so you don't mind that i don't mind that at all so i'm i'm a sub i lean towards a slave right um and i know that a lot of people don't know what don't know necessarily what that means i want to be told absolutely everything you want to be told what to do what to do what to wear what to say where to look how to act what who i can and can't talk to all of that now that is also in the kink world that's at a party that's at a munch that's at kink stuff that's not in the real world i run a business so if we're at a swinger club and we're a party and having a great time there's people having orgies people fucking all over the place how do i get you to be with someone else then just tell you to go yeah go over there i want to watch you go fuck that person but don't you want me to or your partner to say hey she don't like that type of guy right it's it's the connection that you're looking for what i want you're in tune with my wants and needs so are you gonna as a slave are you gonna be saying hey i like guys who are five foot five yeah all all of that is premeditated all right it's it's the the dom coming to me and going hey we're gonna go get you a fuck buddy okay i need to know what you're looking for i need to know what you are and are not going to agree to and of course i get veto power like if he brings me somebody that is i'm just absolutely not gonna do it i just look at him go veto and it's one word and it's completely understood um right but yeah so i want i want that picked out for me vetoed is your safe word no, red is my safe word.
But veto is like, you have made a decision for me that I do not agree with. We will discuss it later. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's bad. It doesn't sound good. It is. It's fine.
So with that, what are some of the misconceptions that people have about the swinger lifestyle that you found out to be true or not true um so and kink and kink so the kinksters think that the swingers are not safe and a lot of them are not a lot of them were like hey i just met you i don't know your name i don't care if you're clean let's go fuck a lot of them now what do you mean when you let's go fuck are you talking about condoms and all that because everyone i have the recent years, you know, because of the advent of prep and all that stuff, I think people are less likely.
And, you know what, condoms suck. But when you meet someone for the first time and you see she's barebacking every dude at the club, I would throw on a rubber. Right. A condom. I don't know about you. I have had more people in swinging go, do I have to wear a condom than in kink? Okay.
And I also i i've had my tubes tied so i've got scars on my stomach you can clearly see that right so i get asked about it a lot less they just look at me and they go oh you're fine no no no no you wrap that shit yeah and um so that i think that's where the misconception comes in of course um but the other thing is and you know this is different than um the resort that we went to in the kink world everything is very very clean after something happens so like if i'm in a room and i'm on a cross after it happens um i go to the aftercare room the dom comes back in and cleans everything meticulously in front of everyone i think that because it's not as meticulous in the swinger world the kinksters see it as oh they didn't turn the lights on and make everybody stop and watch them clean it's not clean it's it's not that way it's supposed to be it was supposed to be that way but the problem with swinger clubs is they don't hire staff or staff don't do what they're supposed to be doing yeah because when i worked at those clubs i had to clean the shit up but as i found out more and more people are the guys that are that work there are trying to fuck with the girls yeah they're not trying to do their job they're trying to get laid in the corner or whatever they're not there to clean shit but yeah we would have to clean people with shit in the bed jesus christ we have to close down all day and all that we had to throw out the mattress they made a small lot throughout the biohazard issues fucking do uh well they would do anal and shit would come out.
You know, who would have thought? Shit and anal. Yeah. So that's one that swingers are dirtier than kinksters. What else? Any other misconceptions you think?
Yeah, they are, um, there's this misconception that, so there's a lot of communication that happens in kink and a lot of them think that swingers aren't communicating, that they're just going, going you know the couples are just going to these parties or clubs and just going off and then coming back right there's no rules there's no boundaries there's no this there's no that no they everybody has their own right some people are super casual about it um and they're like just go do whatever you want but that's their boundary whereas that's not necessarily what i want if i'm going to go to a swingers club i want whoever i'm going you know the guy i'm going with to say i know what you want i know what you're looking for that's it go fuck it go over there yeah all right or just set it up in general for me i think yes set it up yeah um i do a lot better when it's hey we're going to the club i'm you know this other person is coming i want you to meet them i want you to go fuck them oh and it's premeditated no no i can't do that because you know i don't like i said i don't use the lifestyle as my personal life right but like if you knew another swinger yeah and you were like hey they've they i've you know they've been at the club i've done that and they turned down the girl i even sent them pictures of listen motherfucker i'm trying to get you laid and you say no so i don't yeah that seems a little bizarre so i don't do that anymore i just like whatever we'll just go to a club and find a guy because there's always someone there yeah in houston it's a little more difficult because of the number of guys and the cost and the guys in houston are just cheap they don't want to pay the money i know but there's they'll love going to you ever been to smoochies no you ever been to a porn theater no oh shit you gotta go i mean we'll have we'll get penicillin shots and we'll have them there yeah sure thing oh fucking those places are those little plastic things on my feet just make sure no no no no it's you'll be fine but you know it's one of those places where you feel like you got to get an std check after you go in yeah that was hughes there are some yeah huge so you've been i've been to hughes hughes is kind of like a porn theater.
That was rough. Yeah, and they're rough, and the guys are even rougher. But it's always funny when you go there because they're the same dudes. Yeah. I could go today, go back a year from now, it's the same guys there. It's the same ones, yeah. It's like, what the fuck? I go, if you guys put more time into finding a girlfriend, you wouldn't be here. But, you know, whatever.
So, you know, you're swinging, you're having a great old time, you're doing your kink you ever get jealous i don't you don't get jealous i don't um i used to when i was a lot younger why not me why not me why wasn't i good enough i don't do that now why did that bitch get him and i didn't yeah um but i also when you're younger they're they're using it as a means to find somebody and then they go off and get married and that was before i was married and i was going why you know why can't i find somebody right um it's because i'm just built different right um now i don't have that problem if somebody wants me they want me and they'll be in my life right and i don't need to worry about what everybody else is doing no that's true you don't need to worry about whatever people's doing what everybody else is doing so has there been like in kink has there been one great night that you had where you go back and jack off to it yeah yeah what was that night oh geez out in the middle of nowhere um met a guy um okay what do you mean by out in the middle of nowhere um he had a house out in the country very very secluded pond swimming pool big beautiful porch uh with eye bolts all over the porch where you can tie people up.
And so we went out on the porch, and he strung my wrists up, and we played. That sounds like a horror movie, though. You would think that. In Texas? Yeah, in Texas. Is his name Motherface? No. It was also an extremely beautiful weekend. The weather was absolutely perfect. There was no mosquito in sight.
And so it was also an extremely beautiful weekend the weather was absolutely perfect there was no mosquito in sight and so it was literally play fuck aftercare swim right eat repeat how long ago was this oh eight years eight years ago and you still jack off to it yeah still friends with him all right yeah now same thing swinging has it has there been a real swinging night and you jack off too yeah okay what happened with that swinging night um i would like a repeat what was it um uh there have been a couple of them that were really fun so like the very first time that i went to tng tng which is the night game yeah the one on 1960 They had just opened that location.
Right. Super clean. Everybody was super great i was following them on tiktok and i was like oh my gosh this is going to be fantastic and it really was it was one of those nights where it was like the dj was on point everybody was dancing everybody was having a great time i was super comfortable the entire night was great um great. Um, I got fucked really good. Um, by, by, it was my, my friend who's, uh, whose husband I was sleeping with. Oh, so you were, you were the couple. Yeah, I was with them. Um, and it was, so my ex Dom had set it up and he was like, yes, you can do this.
Yes, you can go. Let's get them at the club. Let's all go together.
I got to go with her and I, we got to sit in the bathroom and do our makeup it was very like everything about it was really nice a whole night it was um you know the girlfriend part of it was nice the dom part of it was nice the fucking part of it was nice and then um i got just you know and you can so at kink clubs you can't drink but at swinger clubs you can so i got just drunk enough where everything was really really happy and then he drove me home and i got to sleep on the way home it was like this whole magical thing yes it was this whole magical night it was fantastic aren't you lucky yeah all right so you're a single girl at a swingers club how can a single guy approach a single girl at a club because i'm the wrong person to ask this well you know no not really how would you want to be if i'm a single guy at the club and i see you how and you're alone the couples haven't smelt blood in the water yet where they're all circled i had couples tell single girls stay away from them you're with us now um so i set myself up how can i get you in bed um so i set myself i'm different i am not going out and seeking out stuff let's just say you are seeking dick because you're if i'm at the club i'm seeking dick okay you're at the club you're at i'm at the club i'm at tng by yourself but no by myself um i set myself up at a table right and if i'm gonna go dance i'm gonna go dance and i go back to my table and i wait for people to approach me i'm patient all right um i don't go out now if there's somebody that i see that i'm like i would like some of that i will send them a drink or i will um be a little bit flirty but i am not that outgoing person so my situation is a little bit different so you're introverted yeah all right so if they don't approach me then clearly they're uninterested they have their approach now what's a good approach um honest to god just come up and introduce yourself okay if you look at me and you go hey you've got really nice tits i'm gonna go thank you so much they are my prominent feature and i'm going to talk about them look in your eye yeah um yeah no and and my so you know after being in here in this lifestyle for 20 years this whole oh you're intimidating i'm not intimidating you're intimidated if you're too intimidated to me, I don't need to mess with you.
Right. If you're, you know, my age group is like 40 and up. If you're in your 40s and up and you're too intimidated to come talk to me, that's your problem, not mine. But can you see how guys can be a little, what would be the word, gun hole a little bit? I don't know. Maybe taken back. You mean like over the top?
No, taken back because if we approach a couple and the woman don't find us attractive we're creepy and we get called names and you know yeah and and i i can see that but you're going to a swingers club if you're not willing to shoot your shot what are you doing there i don't know i just i think guys have been beat down especially single guys oh yeah single guys have absolutely been guys are scared if i say something to that couple and they don't like me they're gonna go report me and i get kicked down and stuff like that so i don't know yeah um i think single women i think oh shit see to me i just watch and you could tell a lot well you also have to keep my when i'm sitting at the table i'm not skulking at the table i'm not staring people down daring them to come and talk to me i'm having a drink i'm looking around i'm watching you and usually i am with people right um but i'm not you know i'm not giving them the evil eye i'm not trying I'm trying a drink.
I'm looking around. I'm watching. And usually I am with people. Right. But I'm not, you know, I'm not giving them the evil eye. I'm not trying to scare you off. You don't have that resting bitch face. I do have resting bitch face, but I have it under control. All right. All right. So just come up to you. Just shoot your shit. That's what you're saying. Yeah, just say hi. Open. Be yourself. Open with a joke if you want to. So have a joke prepared. A couple of them.
not something yeah not something stupid um best one i've ever heard was uh so i was at i was at a club in dallas and they had fruit and fruit and vegetable trays out and so i had a strawberry and i was eating a strawberry so of course you know i'm i look like i'm sucking on something and this guy walks up and he goes what did one strawberry say to the other and i was like i don't i don't know and he goes if it wasn't for you we wouldn't be in this jam still friends with him so last question yeah looking forward do you see your participation changing at any point no um i don't see it changing i don't seequote, outgrowing this.
I've heard that so often in my life. Oh, when you get to your 30s, you'll outgrow it. When you get to your 40s, you'll outgrow it. But have over the years, your 20 years you've been doing it, have it changed a little bit? It ebbs and flows. Sometimes I'm more into it and sometimes I'm less into it, but that's everybody's life.
Real life happens whether you're kinky or not or not all right so you're not going to grow out of this little area i don't see i don't see that happening no i actually um somebody asked me that the other day they were like well how old are you going to be when when it's too old yeah well i watched um at the last party i was at uh in katie i watched a couple that were probably in their late 60s have a full-on scene, and it was absolutely beautiful. They were totally into each other. They were totally in tune with each other.
She wore a beautiful outfit, and they were clearly in love with each other. Oh, that's good. Yeah, and they went. They had their scene. They fucked around, and then they went home with each other. It was beautiful. Well, I hope so're married. I, you know, I want that. Yeah. So, so there's no age limit. No, there's no age limit to kink. You just don't know. What about swinging though? Um, that just depends. Just depends on the person. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, my age group is a little bit higher than my actual age. So, so what age group are you attracted to the most?
So my age group, um, my entire life has been about 45 to 65 and i'm now aging into my own age group which is weird change will you go will you go cougar and start getting some younger no i didn't mess with 20 year olds when i was 20 but it's just sex at a swinger club yeah no you don't care you want someone older i want someone who knows what they're doing, well, I guess young guys don't really know much. No. But I hate to put them all in one general. There's some young guys that know what they're doing. There are. There are some.
I dated a guy in college that he knew what he was doing, and he was younger than me. That's the only one in 20 years. Right. Well, that's all right. Yeah. So that's good news. All right, well, it's been over an hour, so that's good enough. She could come back. Bad Kitty Mia could come back and tell us about her naughty, naughty times that she's having. Come back and do a review. Do a review. Somewhere. Yeah, I think you should do a review of a club. Swinger club, not a kink, because my listeners are swingers, not a kink. So we'll have to do that. All right.
So so with that thank you very much for having me you're welcome anytime you want to come in that's bad kitty mia you find her out of your club or kink party in the area sometime soon aren't you going out this weekend i am i'm going out this weekend and next weekend oh jesus christ yeah two parties in one month getting around it's not a lot yeah Well, from what you've been telling me, it's been a lot. Yeah, lately. But anyways.
month getting around it's not a lot yeah well from what you've been telling me it's been a lot but anyways so make sure you uh this will be downloaded soon so listen learn and tell your wife to get off your face because you're about to die because it's been an hour keep on swinging america and make sure you shave your cock and balls gentlemen
