Episode 17: More Locals Locos

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I'm just an average guy in the swinger lifestyle who likes to share his experiences. This podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. Please seek a professional if you are in need of advice, guidance, or care as it relates to sexual health or alternative lifestyles. Hi everyone, welcome to Evan's Wings, a podcast about the swinger lifestyle from the perspective of a guy in the lifestyle. That would be me. I'm your host, Evan. Thank you so much for tuning in today. Very happy to have you here. And that, of course, is not a throwaway comment.

Truly, truly appreciate you taking the time to give my podcast a listen. Those of you returning will already know this, but I'm half of a lifestyle couple, the other half being my lovely wife, Eva. She has joined me a few times on this podcast, and I certainly hope to have her on again in the near future. But today, running solo again, here to talk to you about some swinger stuff.

As always, if you're new to the podcast, I humbly welcome you, but I encourage you to stop listening and actually start with my earliest episodes as they detail chronologically the journey of Eva and myself in the lifestyle. But you don't have to you know no context is needed for this episode. Now before we get into the meat and potatoes of this episode I wanted to share a couple things. First of all I had a listener tell me that my podcast episodes are full of plosives. And I guess that means when I use the P sound, when I use words that have the P sound, oftentimes it comes out very strong.

Um, so I apologize for that, but I am actually a novice with all this podcast stuff. And, um, eventually one day I will, uh, figure all that stuff out. But right now I'm just, I'm just happy to, to find time to do this podcast because with work and family stuff, kids always around in the house, and that's where I record this. I'm in a home office right now. It's just tough to find time to do this. So right now, I'm just happy to churn these things out.

Eventually, hopefully, I will get better at the whole plosive thing and and fix that but for now i'm just gonna move on uh the other thing i want to share is just something i've been thinking about a lot lately and it's something that i've touched on in an earlier episode. Lately, I've found myself wishing I could tell more people about my involvement or our involvement, Eva and I, our involvement in the lifestyle.

it would be a lot of fun and almost comforting in a way to be able to share adventures with friends of mine you know they're they're friends of mine vanilla friends yes but they're my friends and I would love to tell them or at least some of them about you know something that is very important and very prominent in my life right now. They're my friends. I should be able to tell them things like that, but I can't. Out of all the vanilla friends that I see regularly, I don't feel like any of them can handle it.

And I don't want to jeopardize our friendship because, you know, because of something like this. I do have a couple, a couple of friends, my old DJ partner and his wife, and they're the ones who guided us into the lifestyle. I mentioned them in episodes one and two for sure.

and um there's another friend of mine who who i might say is a listener of this podcast hey there ch um but all these people they all live about an hour away from me and i don't see them as often as i wish i could so as much as i love them i don't see them often enough to to really discuss the lifestyle adventures and, you know, trade stories with them. And yes, yes, I, I know we live in a digital age where we don't need to actually see each other in person to communicate. I get that.

And we do message, message each other fairly frequently but i just wish that out of our more local friends whom we spend time with there were some even just one or two with whom I could share my secret and I'm going to be completely honest here we we honestly don't hang out with our vanilla friends very often. Eva and I, we just don't have as much fun. And it's sad to say that, but it's true. If we were going to do something socially, you know, go out on a Friday or Saturday night, I'll see you next time. But it's true.

If we were going to do something socially, you know, go out on a Friday or Saturday night, we would prefer to do it with a lifestyle couple. You know, even if it's not a spicy date, you know, not, you know, a spicy date, one with sex involved. All right? Even if it's not a date like that, it's the topics of conversation that we can discuss. Eva and I, we feel like we can be ourselves. If we have a vanilla dinner with a lifestyle couple, we can still talk about lifestyle topics and other sexy stuff.

You know, we could make adult jokes and sexual innuendos, and it's just more comfortable for us to do that with lifestyle people. With our vanilla friends now, it's almost like we have to be careful of what we say. Recently in Ohio, we experienced a total solar eclipse. And we went to our neighbor's house to watch it they're up they're a lot of fun okay this our neighbors are a lot of fun and they're pretty good friends of ours and at some point during the during the time spent over there i noticed the wife's shirt said nasty bingo on it I think it's, I think that was it.

I think it's a nasty bingo on it. I think it's, I think that was it. I think it said nasty bingo on it. And I asked what that meant. And she said it was a music band she enjoyed. The husband then made a joke that it was actually because they hosted a bingo night for them and all their swinger friends. And he followed it up with another comment about swingers in a joking way, but he made it sound like swinging was a bad thing. And that's part of the problem, which I've discussed on this podcast before. There's this negative stigma that surrounds swinging, that surrounds the swinger lifestyle.

It's like this taboo topic, and it's perceived as wrong and immoral by people. And I wish it wasn't that way, but we don't have any local friends who we feel are open-minded enough to accept our involvement in the lifestyle. One of our good lifestyle friends told us that he was best friends with his next-door neighbor at one point.

And at some point, he let it slip to the neighbor that he and his wife were swingers and the the neighbor like immediately like shut him out of everything like wouldn't even talk to him anymore he was just disgusted or maybe it was his wife who was disgusted when when he told her about it. I don't really remember exactly. But regardless, they are not friends anymore, like at all. Next-door neighbors that were once very close to each other.

The friendship was ruined because one party wasn't open-minded enough to accept something that consenting adults were doing that had nothing to do with them. And it didn't change who they were as people. It didn't change their personalities or common interests. But yet, a friendship was ruined because someone was not open-minded enough to accept that their friend, that their good friend was in the lifestyle, was a swinger. And I think that's just horribly sad and wrong.

Another lifestyle friend had a similar story involving a neighbor so we know it happens and eva and i don't want to risk losing a friend just because they have discovered we are swingers but that still hasn't stopped me from wanting to find someone whom I can trust and tell about our adventures. Since there are no local vanilla friends I am comfortable telling, I began to wonder if there were any work friends or colleagues whom I could share with. one of these people is a 25-year-old dude who I've gotten fairly close to at work. And I really think he could handle it.

And I really think I can trust him to keep the secret. But something keeps holding me back. Others in the lifestyle have advised me that it would be dangerous to tell a coworker, someone that I have a professional relationship with and I see every single day. So I'm not sure if I will ever reveal it to him. But then there are also two female co-workers I would just love to tell. I almost feel like it could help them if they knew. And let me explain here.

Okay, so one of them is a 46 year old woman who found out six months ago that her husband had been cheating on her for years with a woman in her 20s and this woman this co-worker of mine is just absolutely stunning she is gorgeous and she's so much fun she eats lunch with me and some other colleagues sometimes and she is just so funny so outgoing so down to earth and so kind and and caring and did i mention also that she's hot because she is and she's been recently talking about talking about her her bad luck that she's had trying to reenter the dating scene and you know how hard it is or how hard it's been for a 46 year old woman to get back into it she has even said without actually coming out and saying it that she just wants to explore and have fun and not get into a committed relationship and this kills me i want to tell her so bad about eva and being swingers.

Now, let me clarify something here, okay? Don't get me wrong. While I would absolutely love to have sex with her, it's a huge fantasy of mine, I could never do that, okay? I would never do that. And even Eva agrees that it would be a bad idea to sleep with a co-worker that I see every day. That could be quite dangerous. But what I do want, I want to tell her about the lifestyle. I truly feel she would be interested in it. She's a party girl through and through. She definitely has a wild side. And I just feel like she is unaware that the swinger lifestyle is there, like waiting for her.

I think she'd be able to have the fun that she is seeking. She'd be able to kind of let loose. But I honestly don't think, I don't think she knows it's even an option. I would love to tell her about it. But again, I've been told I shouldn't, and I don't think I can.

And I think one of the main reasons is that she is a woman, and if I told her about being a swinger, I think that could be immediately misconstrued, and she take it the wrong way like i was hitting on her or coming on to her or propositioning her or you know just kind of letting her know hey you know hey i'm a swinger so you know i know you've been having some uh difficulties with your dating life and i know you're you know you're looking to let loose well i'm here for you you know you can have this dick whenever you want not like that okay not like that at all okay but i can easily see her thinking of that and that would make me seem kind of creepy and totally ruin our professional relationship.

But again, it sucks because I really think, I really think she would love it. And I think it would help her. It would help her, you know, let loose and show that wild side. and especially coming off such a rough year and, you know, losing that relationship with her husband. You know, people have needs, okay? Guys have needs. Women have needs. The lifestyle is a place where she can have those needs met.

if it's just temporary but again there's there's just too much at stake for me to actually tell her and i just keep thinking you know even and if she did get into the lifestyle you know i could offer her or eva and i can offer her advice and suggestions kind kind of like my DJ partner and he and his wife did when we first got in the lifestyle. Having them was such a huge benefit for us. Having, you know, a close friend that we can that we can talk to and run things by and ask for advice. It's just, you know, I, even I could be that, that couple for her and it just can't happen.

And it's just, it's just sad. And the other woman that I work with, also a party girl with a huge wild side, her husband has had health issues and she frequently talks about how depressing her life is and how they can never, they never get to do anything fun anymore. I want to be like, I know of something fun you can do. Or even, even just to tell her stories, like I'm telling you listeners right now. I think, you know think that would be exciting to hear about. But again, I don't want to ruin the professional relationship that we have. So I keep my mouth shut.

And ladies and gentlemen, that goes back to my point. I wish I didn't have to keep my mouth shut. I wish there wasn't such a negative stigma surrounding the swinger lifestyle. I wish people in general were more understanding and accepting of other people's preferences or other people's differences, especially as consenting adults who can do whatever they wish in this country. I mean, that's the freedom we have. But there's just so much negative stuff surrounding that, and not just the lifestyle, but other things too. People just can't accept differences sometimes, and it sucks.

It really sucks sometimes sometimes okay so my sore my story today kind of ties in with what I was just ranting about since we don't have any local vanilla friends with whom we can share our involvement in the lifestyle Eva and I are always on the lookout for more local lifestyle couples with whom we can spend time. And by local, I just mean close to the area in which we live. You know, I don't mean the exact same city. I mean, it doesn't have to be the exact same city, you know, within relatively short driving distance. Now, this hasn't gone well.

If you have listened to my previous episodes, you had the batshit crazy local couple from episode seven. You had the couple with the grooming incident from episode 12. And then you had the soft swappers from episode 15. So we have not had the best of luck with couples living within 15 minutes of us. Although, we have recently met a local couple and things have been awesome so far, knock on wood.

But most have not panned out the way we had hoped and this this story is about another local couple from the same city we live in that just didn't pan out before i go any further i have to mention something one more time okay i think i mentioned this on my last two podcast episodes and I think it it's just appropriate to mention something one more time. Okay. I think I've mentioned this on my last two podcast episodes and I think it, it's just appropriate to mention just one more time.

It may seem like this podcast showcases all the negative experiences that we've had and I don't want it to come across that way.

I don't want it to come across that we've, you know, always have negative experiences in the lifestyle that could not be farther from the truth I want to reiterate that Eva and I have had the most amazing wonderful time in the lifestyle it has changed our lives it has been mostly great times that we've had but the great times they don't really make very good stories very entertaining stories you know we met we had sex it was great so the the great experiences that we've had are not necessarily very entertaining or story worthy it just seems like the less than positive experiences they're the most interesting ones so that's why I mostly talk about those so please don't take these the wrong way we're having a blast in the lifestyle these are just the fun things that we like to to recount and talk to you about because like I've said many times they're learning experiences with that in mind let me tell you about Janice and Randy.

As always, I have changed names to protect the true identities of those involved. Janice and Randy are a local couple, a couple from our hometown. To be even more specific, they're a couple from the neighborhood down the street from ours probably a one minute drive away they saw they uh they saw our profile they reached out and said hello and we ended up chatting for a while and uh exchanging sexy pics and it was it was fairly frequent too you know we would send messages to each other several times a day, every day, for, I would say, a few weeks prior to meeting. And meet we did.

We decided to set up a vanilla date with them at a restaurant here in town. And, again, that's one of the benefits of finding a local couple.

You're just, you know, you're both just minutes away from the same downtown area so we met there and we seemed to really hit it off they seemed really nice and from the stories they told us they were a hell of a lot of fun when we got in the car afterwards like after dinner Eva expressed how attracted she was to Randy in fact a few weeks prior to recording this podcast Eva and I were having a lifestyle conversation and I asked her just you know making conversation fun conversation I asked her who she thought was the most attractive guy we have ever met, not necessarily played with, but met in the lifestyle.

And she said, Randy. So just to paint you a picture, this dude was hot. Okay. Rugged, tall, uh, handsome, just good looking officer dude. As a 100% heterosexual man, even I could see that this dude was a hottie. Little did I know how hot Eva found him. So needless to say, we were eager to set up a play date with them, and and they seemed just as eager you know we would keep in touch daily uh chatting and she would send me all kinds of sexy pics and our conversations got pretty darn spicy to say to say the least um eva and i kept proposing calendar dates, and they kept turning them down.

Now, they had a good excuse, or at least what we thought was a good excuse. First of all, with his public service job, his hours were crazy. He hardly had any downtime.

And by the way, being honest he wasn't a police officer I just don't want to actually say what he actually was you can probably figure it out similar line of work but he was always busy that wasn't the main reason we couldn't find time to meet though the main reason was that their daughter was a high school senior and they insisted on going to every last sporting event of hers for her senior year of athletics at her school and i totally respect that okay totally respect and agree with that i would have done the same thing when my uh when my son was in sons were in athletics at high school I did not want to miss a single game.

No issues there. But they could never, ever seem to find a time to meet us. We kept asking and proposing possible dates, and they never could do it. Now, if if they were not interested they should have just said so but they didn't they kept chatting and they kept sending hot picks and the chats were were sexy sexy chats and they even specifically stated at two points that i can remember. They said, please don't think we've lost interest. We really want to meet you guys. And we just can't find the time right now with Randy's work schedule and our daughter's sporting events.

And I was like, you know, no problem. We're patient. In fact, hold on. I'm going to actually hold on. I have the actual message that Jana sent me on my phone here. Hold on. It's okay here. It says, I don't want you to think we're blowing you guys off. We're really eager to see you again, but our schedules have just sucked.

So, again, you and i we're patient so i was like no problem time went on and they still could never find a time to schedule a play date with us janice came up with a suggestion she said um that since fridays and saturdays are so busy with their daughter's sports she was like is there any way you guys would be willing to have a play date on a sunday night now that's not our preference but even i told them that we would definitely agree to it if it meant we could finally get together with them. We'd been waiting a long time.

And they seemed very happy, and we were all excited, and Jana said that she just had to find a Sunday where Randy wasn't working. Cool. We waited. The offer never came. Still texted, still chatted, still sent pics. One day, I finally decided to propose some dates again. There were Friday, Saturday, and Sunday dates that were open for us on our calendar, so plenty of options. And she wrote back, and I'm reading this exactly word for word from my phone again. So, here we go.

on our calendar so plenty of options and she wrote back and i'm reading this exactly word for word from my phone again i'll look into it i'm pretty sure our daughter has games but maybe sunday question mark i had sent her a number of dates so i wrote back to her and said which sunday you know i just i just just wanted to clarify which Sunday she was talking about. That was on January 4th, 2024. She never responded. On January 12th, I reached out to her again. I was very cordial. Hey there, how's it going? Hope you had a good week. We just got back from a vanilla 50th birthday party.

Any word on Sunday? I thought I should check in with you guys before we consider other possible plans. So that was my text. That's what I wrote. No response. So that was the month of January. I did not hear from her again until February 4th. Now, not only did she never respond to my messages, I also noticed that her and Randy were posting on several lifestyle sites. They went to a hotel takeover.

They also went to Cinde, which is a, for those of you who don't know, that's a lifestyle club in the Cincinnati- area so I was pissed okay I admit it I was pissed off we were told and led to believe that they were very eager to meet us and we're just waiting on a break in Randy's schedule and a free night from high school sports yet here they were going to hotel events, going to club events. And here they are flat out posting on Cindy's site. Okay. They, they flat out posted who's coming to the club tonight. Hope to see everyone there. Things like that. And Eva and I were like, what the hell?

What was going on here here if they were so eager to see us and they told us that they were just waiting in breaks and work and sports schedules why weren't they contacting us they obviously had plenty of free nights to do so because they were they were posting that they were choosing to go to hotel takeovers and clubs without us we We would have gladly joined them if we were invited, but we weren't. Coincidentally, one of our good lifestyle friends, a guy from a couple we have played with regularly, told us something quite interesting.

Apparently, they had connected and the same way were suddenly and totally ignored. They ended up running into Randy and Janice at a hotel takeover, the hotel takeover I just mentioned, actually. And Janice and Randy acted like nothing had happened like they were good friends they even invited them to play that evening and they did from from what I what I gathered but what was more interesting is that our friend told us that he believed Janice was not a genuine lifestyle friend. She was just in it for the chase. This is his words, by the way. She was in it for the chase.

She wanted to be chased. She wanted guys to keep hounding her and expressing how much they wanted to fuck her and how excited they were to see her, but she very rarely followed through. Well, Eva and I, we don't play that game. We are not interested in that sort of thing. If you're going to jerk us around, we want no part of you.

And that's what it looked like they were doing they were jerking us around now i wanted to call them out on their bullshit i really did but eva talked me out of that she told me to take the high road and that's exactly what i did all right i i found it even more interesting that they didn't block us on lifestyle sites. They would still, um, you know, click the like button on the photos that we posted, even commenting with emojis. So it's, it wasn't like they were totally cutting us out. You know, if I were totally cutting somebody out, I would block them.

I want nothing to do with them anymore. But they were still commenting and posting on our pics. And the story doesn't end there. Now remember, the last message Janice sent to me was on January 12th. On February 4th, I was working at a concert concert because I do some side work at a local arena. And I receive a message from Janice and it says, can I ask you something? At this point, I was so over her and kind of irritated.

I mean, it's just out of the blue, ignored my previous messages all of a sudden she texts me that one sentence can I ask you something so I was like okay where is this going so I just responded with sure this is what this is what she responded and again I'm reading this right from my phone so this is is exactly what she said, except I'm changing a name. Would you ever be interested in possibly playing alone? I am not in any way saying Randy and I aren't interested, just that I have way more free time than he does. I think I butchered that. I'm sorry.'m sorry. Let me, let me restart.

Would you ever be interested in possibly playing alone? I am not in any way saying Randy isn't interested, just that I have way more free time than he does. It's okay if you're not interested or it's not something you guys are okay with. So that was the message. You know, I probably would have still agreed to play with her separately because at the time, Eva had had, she had several play, separate play options and I had zero.

But I was really irritated with how this played out and how she was acting like nothing happened, like she was just resuming our conversation, like she hadn't ignored my last two messages. Like she hadn't had several weekends that she could have contacted us and set up a get-together. So I responded, I don't know, maybe kind of curtly. I don't know if this sounded curt or not, but it still kept things open. I said, sounds great. Hit me up sometime. And that was it. I think she was hoping I would act all giddy and excited and feed her need to be chased, as my friend hypothesized. But I didn't.

Like I said, Eva and I, we don't play those games. So that was on February 4th she never never texted again so I figured we had heard the last of Janice and Randy but it was not one of them assuming it was Janice reached out to us on one of the lifestyle sites on May 10th all right so the May 10th with a one sentence message that said going to the club this weekend what in the actual fuck is this woman nuts acting like acting like we haven't talked since february just asking if we're going to the club this weekend? Excuse me.

I responded that we were not attending and probably will not go to that particular club again for a while. I said we prefer a different club, Princeton, which is in Columbus, so we would probably go there the next time we go to a club. She responded, yes, Princeton is really nice, and the takeovers. And I'm not sure what she meant by the takeovers part. Princeton, as far as I know, doesn't even put on any hotel takeovers. My curiosity got the best of me, so instead of just ending the conversation, I kind of wanted to see where this went.

So I said, if you've never been to Tempted in Louisville, we love that. I highly recommend it. And she responded fairly quickly. We haven't been to Tempted yet, but it is on our list. I wrote back, you will love Tempted, it is so nice. And that was it. No response. No, how have you guys been? Nothing. So I really think our friend hit the nail on the head. she and randy were not looking for a local couple to occasionally play with as we had once thought. She was looking for a couple, maybe a guy specifically, to chase them.

She wanted to feel wanted and desired and wanted a guy like me to keep hounding her for play dates so she could stream me along. Well, I don't do that. I don't play that game at all. The allure of having a couple less than two minutes away was very strong, okay? But this is not what we had in mind, and it's not something worth putting our time into. I'm sure we'll see them again. You know, we may bump into them at a hotel takeover or a club, and it would be very interesting to see how they act.

You know, we wonder if they will invite us to play with them like they did with our friends like like nothing happened and we were all good friends so Eva said if that happens Eva said we should fuck them and and she actually used the friends fuck she used the phrase fuck them and run and then never talk to them again and give them a taste of their own medicine. But I honestly don't think they would get the message. You know, I have no desire to play with her despite her being very attractive. The personality, the crazy, that's just a huge turnoff to me.

And I just, I feel bad knowing Eva finds Randy Randy to be the hottest guy she's ever met in the lifestyle and you know if I had the chance to have sex with the hottest woman I've ever met in the lifestyle I would probably want to take it and maybe I have future. And again, back to my story here. I find Janice very attractive physically. So if the opportunity arose and Eva really wanted to, I may do it to make Eva happy. Honestly, though, I really hope it never comes to that. You know, they don't deserve our time. They don't deserve our attention. And we really wanted it to work out.

And I can't imagine how nice and convenient it would be to have lifestyle friends less than two minutes away from our house you know late night hot tub visits you know last minute hangouts there's so much potential there but this couple they just don't deserve it they just don't deserve our time or attention. I mean, I guys, I've read to you word for word what what was texted and i've included the time frame so i'm being honest here i mean that's exactly what happened and i just feel like they just strung us along you know i i just and i and I, to this day, I just don't get it.

Just very frustrating when things like happen like that happen. And unfortunately in the lifestyle, you're going to have things like that. There are going to be frustrating things that happen. There's going to be people who you just don't understand. And maybe that's what's going on here.

You know, maybe my friend is wrong about her just wanting a chase maybe there's something else going on here that that Eva and I just aren't seeing but I don't know we're there you know maybe we're overlooking something but it just doesn't seem that way because again I have shared with you listeners word for word uh the text that I've received received and I've shared the time frame. So I just don't know. Don't know at all. Very frustrating. I want to thank you for your time and attention, though. I think it's a pretty good segue there, if I say so myself.

I'm going to sign off until next week. Thank you so much for sticking with me to the end of this episode, and I hope you'll come back and give it a listen again. In the meantime, as always, you can connect with me on Kik or Instagram. My handle on both of those is evandeanson, E-V-A-N-D-E-A-N-S-O-N. If you have questions for me or Eva, please don't hesitate to send them our way or, you know, even just comments or suggestions for future episode topics. We'd love to hear from you again. Thank you for joining me on this episode of Evan Swings. Take care, everyone. Be safe. Be naughty.