Episode 15: Soft Swappers (with co-host Eva)

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I'm just an average guy in the swinger lifestyle who likes to share his experiences. This podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. Please seek a professional if you are in need of advice, guidance, or care as it relates to sexual health or alternative lifestyles. hello my swinger friends welcome to evan swings a podcast about the swinger lifestyle from the perspective of a guy in the swinger lifestyle. I'm your host, Evan, and I'm half of a lifestyle couple, the other half being my amazing wife, Eva, and she is actually joining us again today. Hello.

And thank you for joining us, listeners. I sincerely mean that when I say I'm happy you are here. My usual disclaimer, though, if you're a first-time listener, you're more than welcome to stay. There's no context needed from previous episodes. But I do highly recommend you start with episode one.

As I chronologically detail the journey of Eva and I into the lifestyle you know like what what got us started how we decided to join and our first ever swap experience and so on but again not a necessity uh if you are returning welcome back glad you've decided to give this podcast a second listening or more. So today's episode is entitled The Soft Swappers, and I guess maybe we should first explain what that means for anyone listening who is newer to the lifestyle and does not know.

So in the lifestyle, there are three basic categories into which swingers fall when it comes to play dates involving couples meaning if you know if you're part of a swinger couple and you're going to have a play date you know like as couples meaning all four people are actively involved there are three different options or situations that that occur at least i think so i can't think of yeah i can't think of any other categories and there may be but but i can't think of any so we'll start off with one we'll start off with parallel play so just to be clear these are my definitions or in this case with eva here these are our definitions so it's not out of the realm of possibility that other people may have different definitions so please take ours with a grain of salt so my definition of parallel play is when two couples get together but there is no swapping of partners involved.

Both couples have sex with each other, meaning you know with their own spouse or partner in the same room, oftentimes even right next to one another, but there is little to no interaction between the couples. Maybe some kissing and touching. I don't know if that's part of it, but that's about it. I don't know. I wouldn't think so. I don't think so either. But I don't know. So in a parallel play situation, the couples involved, they play pretty much exclusively with their own partner. Here we go.

So in a parallel play situation, the couples involved, they play pretty much exclusively with their own partner. Eve and I, we have never done a parallel play date and have no desire to, but I would assume it involves a lot of just watching.

So like, while you're having sex with your partner, you're also keeping an eye on the other couple and watching them sounds about right I think so and I think it's probably more for people who really enjoy watching and people who really enjoy being watched and I personally don't really enjoy either one of those things I don't get a whole lot of pleasure out of watching other people have sex. And I don't get a whole lot of pleasure out of knowing people are watching me having sex. Except you. Yeah, I was going to say, I enjoy watching you. But that's about it.

Well, I enjoy being watched by you. I also want to clarify that when you say there are three options, these are three good options. The fourth option is when Evan gets to have sex with the woman of the couple, and I play with a limp dick all night. That's option four, and that is not a good option, and we've done a show about that. Yes, we have.

So I don't need to go farther into that that was the uh alexa guy episode episode yeah um and that has happened again at one point but we're not going to go into that right now yes i've now had two experiences with that happening all right well speaking of parallel play before we get into the other categories, I think we should tell this quick little funny story about something that happened to us at our last Hotel Takeover event.

Before a Hotel Takeover, I like to go through the guest list and some of the apps and the sites that we use just to see who's going then what i'll do is i'll just kind of reach out um you know reach out to the ones that eva and i find interesting and if all goes well we chat for a bit and it serves as a a nice comfortable segue into meeting them in person you know you're, we're just not the people to go up to a random stranger. So it's a lot easier when I don't think I would ever do that. Yeah.

So it's, it's when you, you've established some kind of rapport or common ground with them, it's a lot easier. You know, we're, we're just not the types to walk up to people and introduce ourselves and be like, Hey, I'm Evan.

Thisa right we love those types though we the people that come up to us yeah that we we do but we tend to be on the shire side when it comes to that sort of thing uh so anyway i started talking to this couple before the last takeover and they seemed super nice and super intelligent which is you know the things that eva and i we look for and they were brand new and i mean brand new to the lifestyle this was this was going to be their first ever event of any kind i believe no i think they had they were involved in threesome at some point they were yeah but i think it was years ago oh i don't i don't remember that maybe i'm remembering when you were talking to him when you were talking to them i meant yeah okay yeah all right maybe they told you and i didn't hear that yeah because i talked to them quite a bit i know we you really like them i did really so we're getting ahead of ourselves here so so um so you know very nice very attractive very intelligent super fun So, and Eva, you really hit it off with the girl, with the woman, very, very well, I think.

Thank you for changing women. I know. I'm trying to get into the habit of that. Yes. I asked him to stop saying girl all the time. I thought it sounded weird. Anyway. And I'm trying. I did really like her. And I really liked him, too.

He was very cute cute they were both good looking yeah yeah and you had a both you had a lot of i had more in common with her and professionally like you had some professional interests in common so you you guys kind of hit it off talking um at the hotel takeover event um and at the time when we were talking to them they said they weren't sure if they're going if they were going to be attending the second night of the takeover so we did get to hang out with them a bit on the first night you know we just talked and had some drinks that that was it nothing more than that but we went with friends to that takeover so our first night right was booked we knew it was but we knew what we would be doing after the dancing camp.

Yeah, but we were interested in possibly... I guess we knew who we would be doing after the dancing camp. Right. We needed to know who we were doing the next night. The second night, yes. And this couple seemed like a possible fit for that.

So the next day, I reached out to them and told them how nice it was to meet them and you know that we hope to see them again uh that night meaning the second night and that's when they told us they uh they weren't able to come back the second night so i messaged them and said you know we were disappointed and we hoped we would see them again another time well we invited them to dinner too correct because i think there. Because I think there were babysitting issues, and that's why they couldn't come back. Yeah, because they were thinking about coming back.

They just weren't sure if they were going to. So we said, well, we could meet you for dinner if that's more doable. Just see them again. Yeah.

And that's when the guy texted me back that he agreed it was too bad because they were looking forward to watching me fuck eva that's how they worded it yes that's how you worded it i don't i just don't remember and i was like wait a minute watch us um that's not exactly what we had in mind So I rechecked their profile and it didn't it didn't mention anything about parallel play only and i'll be honest i can't remember what else transpired over the next few texts or so but i was able to confirm they were into parallel play only And Eva and I, as we said, have no interest in that whatsoever.

So I told him I was sorry, but, you know, I misunderstood the intentions and I just didn't think they were a match for us.

And, you know, I, I apologized, you know, but even though it clearly states in our profile that we are full swap only and theirs did not mention they were parallel play only like i remember that distinctly but i guess we made quite the impression on them because they still wanted to get together with us and hang out and have dinner and stuff i don't remember that yeah maybe you didn't even tell me yeah because they live fairly close to us and they were still interested in hanging out with us despite you know what i said about us not being a match i politely respectfully declined their offer uh just by explaining that we have limited social time.

And despite how nice and cool and fun they were, we wanted to use our limited social time to date other full swap couples. Yeah. And I said, if they ever took the plunge into the full swap pool, we hope they would contact us right away. And they were great about it and said, you know, if they ever got to that point, we could expect a text from them. But again, they're brand new. And that's probably why it wasn't on their profile. At least that's what I'm guessing.

You know, they probably didn't realize what kind of misunderstanding could occur, a misunderstanding like this, but I assure you it is very clear on our profile that we are interested in full swap only, and they probably overlooked that.

But see, so we just had, we just talked about this, that I could see how it could, someone could easily see that, okay, we're a full swap couple and think that that means, because even I feel like it could someone could easily see that okay we're a full swap couple and think that that means because even i feel like it could mean anything up to full swap like that's the max that we would do well i don't know what else we would do you know full disclosure what would be more max than that but in full disclosure i would and yeah and even I honestly did before recording this, we did just have this discussion and I just, I have not checked our profile in probably a month or two.

So I honestly do not remember, but I'm pretty sure that I'm pretty darn specific about it, that we are not interested in soft swap or parallel play.

And I mean, I want to say I explicitly state that, but I'm going to check as soon as we're done as soon as we're done recording this so but the point is guys listeners read profiles carefully okay because if if profiles are anything like ours then it's going to be on there it's going to be uh explicitly stated what people are interested in i know i kind of feel bad we wasted their time that night yeah maybe we did but i don't know i don't know maybe we did and we have talked that you know about people have wasted our time and we don't like that so yeah that would be kind of crappy if we ended up wasting somebody else's time if they didn't have parallel you know that should be on there correct parallel play only or soft swap only correct i'm just saying that for full swap it's understandable how people might assume that we would be willing to do anything under that you know yes less invasive i don't know all right so speaking of full let's, let's get a definition for that out.

Okay. So what exactly is full swap? Well, as you probably can probably guess, full swap is when you meet with another couple and you completely swap partners. In our situations, we meet with a couple and the other guy has sex with Eva and the other woman has sex with me. So Eva and I are a full swap couple. We have never done parallel play, and have only done a soft swap with one couple. And that is what our story is about today. So first of all, though, before we get into that, let's define that. What is soft swap? So, Eva, you take it. What is soft swap? I'll take it.

He was worried that this would be too heavily saturated in his direction. Yes, I wanted Eva to talk more. Okay, so soft swap is when one couple meets with another couple and you swap partners for everything but penetration. Um, so, and I'm sure there are different levels of this, but the experience we had, um, absolutely everything was allowed except penetration. So we, oral sex was allowed. We did that. So you could kiss, caress, fondle, lick, and suck to your heart's content. Um, I'm not reading that part. Not reading my notes. I'm not reading that part of the script.

Um, so basically that's it. Just no penetration. You have to swap back to your own partner for penetration, which is what we did. Yeah.

So, um, Evan and I knew going into the lifestyle that we were not soft swappers or parallel players um and that definitely was more me driving that i just have the personality of if i'm gonna do it i'm gonna i'm gonna do it and all the way i'm gonna jump in all the way i'm not gonna dip a toe in and yeah um so like i said like we both said we've never done soft swap and this is what we told the couple we've never done that but we are willing to try we're you know i will try things i'm that's fine i'll try it yeah and yeah it's i think it's good that we tried it i think because as you will as you will find out at the end of the story that We learned from it it that we're not impressed yeah we're not impressed we're not a soft swap couple so yeah so so let's let's talk about the story that we get into here um this couple found us on sls which is the the uh lifestyle site that we are members of uh they reached out to us they saw our profile they saw our pics and they established contact with us i showed eva their pics and we were both like omg we're we're all in with this couple because they were they were both really hot yes really super hot really really hot yeah and they were brand new as well brand new to the lifestyle never did anything right lifestyle related at that point except chat online yeah and as luck would have it they were also a local couple.

They were living about 15 minutes from us which was fantastic. Yeah. A hot couple living within 15 minutes of us. That is a rarity. But we've actually. I just realized that we have kind of mentioned them before in the sensitive nurses episode. We talked about how we were willing to soft swap with them. If they would just tell us what they wanted and we would do a soft swap, but before they could tell us what they wanted, we tried a soft swap and realized that's not really what we want. And this was the, this was the incident. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It was fun though. I mean, sure. Yeah.

i don't regret it no at all i don't either yeah but uh it's just like i said it's a learning experience right so i think i mentioned several times but eva and i we live in a small town outside of dayton ohio and most of the couples we meet are from larger cities like cincinnati columbus so we have to jump at the opportunity to meet couples who live close by to us and actually we've done that recently we we've actually found another local couple but maybe that's yes yes we do and we'll save that for a episode, maybe.

We ended up with this couple setting up a vanilla meet-and-greet dinner date here in our town. And again, that's one of just the benefits of living close to them. We could meet somewhere close. Yeah, it's easier to meet. And we met them, and things went great. Yeah, really great. Oh, my gosh. They had a ton of fun. They were so nice.

They were successful business owners they were intelligent um they were able to have you know just interesting adult conversations well they had a lot of questions they did they did a lot of questions for us because they're new and let me just say again they were both they were super hot yeah and it it went so well i will never forget that right i remember this yes i believe you said this yeah right after we left the restaurant eva said to me we'll be fucking them by the end of the month i brought it sounds like something i would say we were we were quite excited about this couple except for the actual fucking so uh over the course of the next days maybe weeks i don't remember we learned that they were unfortunately not interested in a full swap and i can't remember if that was listed in their profile or not no because they were new and they told they i i feel like we knew that they weren't sure what they wanted i i do feel like that so but it even i we we really like this couple we really did yeah um and we had never done a soft swap so we figured what the hell we would give it a try yeah I wasn't against it at all.

No. Yeah. I wasn't either so we figured, what the hell, we would give it a try. Yeah. I wasn't against it at all. No. Yeah. I wasn't either. I mean, Eva and I, we enjoy having sex with each other. Well, I've been faking it for- Shut up. 25 years. I'm sorry. You're fine. I haven't. I really haven't. He's pretty good at it. Well, since we enjoy having sex with each other, maybe it would be fun to have sex with each other, but also fool around with another couple at the same time. So we ended up setting up a dinner date slash play date.

And we decided to meet them for dinner and then head over to a nearby hotel to play. Now, they asked us prior to the date if it would be OK if we sat with the opposite person at the restaurant. So meaning he sat next to Eva and she sat next to me. And we were, of course, fine with that. And that may have been the first time we've done that. Okay. He sat next to Eva, and she sat next to me. And we were, of course, fine with that. And that may have been the first time we've done that. Yeah, when I read your little script notes here, I don't remember. Yeah, I think that was the first time.

But I do remember being nervous about doing that because this was not a restaurant in our town. I would never do that but it was still kind of close but it was closer than I would have rather yeah so well it turned out to be very fun though yeah it was fun we we actually enjoy that something Eva and I we really enjoy doing is because we've done it several times since then and we enjoy seeing the expression on our server's face when they ask us about the check, and we tell them that the person next to us is not actually on our check.

You know, it's the person diagonally across from us or whatever. Or across, yeah. Yeah. That is fun. I really like messing with the servers that way. We've gotten some fun reactions and facial expressions. I just feel like, hey, it's a good story for them. You know how I feel about good stories. I know. Yeah, good stories. So we were cool with that, and we arrived at the restaurant and took our seats.

And I remember, and you can correct me if I'm wrong on this if you feel differently, but I remember the guy, the being brand new to the lifestyle he seemed very comfortable like being very touchy feely and very flirty with you yeah he was yeah and the woman and i think we need to give them fake names at this point so i'm gonna say uh jim and jane we'll call them that so jane was also acting super comfortable she and i were very touchy-feely very flirty you know she was rubbing my arm i was rubbing her thigh very nice and then she did something memorable and this is for for a first time couple a woman doing something you know lifestyle related for the first time this was quite amazing yeah it was very ballsy oh my god and very sexy kudos to her yeah yeah she started holding my hand but she really wasn't she was trying to put something in my hand and she put it so she put it my hand and I I realized what it was it was her underwear she slipped her underwear into my hand and that was just super sexy and just something I will never forget yep I've done that twice now since then because it's sexy it's something fun to do I saw how much it turned you on so I was like oh that's a great idea i'm gonna capitalize on that and to this day i don't know if it had a dual meaning like was it just a sexy gesture or was it kind of an invitation like hey you've been rubbing my thighs and I am wearing a skirt with no panties under it.

Well, I decided to take it as an invitation. So I ended up, like, rubbing her pussy and fingering her in the booth of that restaurant. I had never done that before and haven't done it again since, but it was very hot to do. I had no idea what was going on over there either. None. Until we got in the car to go to the hotel. I was like, what? Yep. Yep. I had no idea. All right. After dinner. Is there anything else? I don't think there's anything else interesting from dinner. No, I don't think so. Okay. It was a normal dinner. Well, after dinner, we went to the hotel.

and we started off with some drinks and playing some card games. You may have heard of a game called Spoons. I think I referred to this in a previous episode. It's a game we like to play. We kind of changed it to be naughty. Did you do an episode about games? I don't think I have yet. I mentioned games. You mentioned how much games turned me on?

Games are are a huge turn on for eva so if you ever want to play with us it's so it's just it's because it's very it seems very awkward to me to just either show up at someone's house or show up at a hotel now i mean a hotel takeover, that's totally different because you're at a party first. And if you go to a club first, that's what you do first.

But we've been in situations where we literally have just, we've gone to dinner or we've done something vanilla with a couple and then went to a hotel after and then literally just walk in the door and just take off our clothes and start having sex and that is always to me extremely awkward and I don't like it I really don't I would if I know if I know that's gonna happen I'll take a pass it's it just I don't there's not enough momentum going for me at that point yet. You like the buildup. I like the buildup. Yes. I like the buildup.

I like to be dripping, dripping wet before anything actually takes place. And it doesn't take a whole lot to get me that way at all. We just got to play a few games, a few sexy games, and Eva is just raring to go. Yeah.

yeah so one of the games that we came up with was spoons where uh it's a pretty popular card game oh i grew up playing it with friends and family but now you played a lot differently now i play with special friends yes so if if you you know you pass around cards trying to get four of a kind and if you um get four of a kind, you have to grab a spoon in the middle, and then everybody else has to grab their spoon. Whoever is left without a spoon is the loser of that round. Like musical chairs with spoons. Correct. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. And so we came up with rules that if...

I just thought spicy musical chairs might be fun we might have to take a break from this take a break from this episode we'll be right back we might have to do that alright well back to spoons so if you are if you don't grab a okay, Eva is just wiggling in her chair right now. So, all right, we got to stay focused here. So the person who does not get a spoon has to remove an article of clothing. And the person who first grabs a spoon. Who got the four of a kind. Who got the four of a kind.

The winner of the hand they get to uh have the person who removed the article of clothing do something you know do something sexy it could be pretty much whatever you want whatever you want yeah whatever you want so uh you know it was it's kind of like an icebreaker or an ice shatterer, really. And in this situation, that's what it did. You know, we played the game and then we were ready to just play. We started kissing each other's partners. And then that's when Jim reminded us, like he came out and said this, just so you know, anything goes except penetration.

So he was very clear about that. Yeah. And we understood and we played. Yeah, that was fun. It was fun. I had a lot of fun. I'll see you next time.

anything goes except penetration so he was very clear about that yeah and we understood and we played yeah that was fun it was fun i had a lot of fun she was amazing i think he was pretty good too right yeah yeah and um yeah and i will say this even as a completely heterosexual man i could recognize that jim was very hot and very well hung yeah he was and and she had a great body too i mean yeah it was fantastic they both were tons of fun she had like laser hair removal something like that and she's a very smooth very nice yeah so we played uh and went so with the soft swap we ended up finishing with our own spouse obviously yeah and it was a good time you know we enjoyed the company we enjoyed the games we enjoyed the sex but it left us feeling a bit unfulfilled i wouldn't say unfulfilled how would you say it i don't know gypped gypped okay i will say unfulfilled and eva will say gypped i don't know i don't just it was just i don't know it was fun it was just it just didn't fulfill yeah i guess unfulfilled it i just felt kind of like I was back in high school i mean granted i did get to have sex with you so not exactly like high school and i'm talking like i didn't have sex in high school but i did but before people did before i had sex in early high school i guess years when you would just make out and make out and make out for like hours and stuff.

And then it never really went any further. You always felt kind of gypped and kind of unfulfilled. So, all right.

Well, um, so going back to the story, we really liked this couple and despite being unfulfilled or gypped, we thought we might might even try it again you know because like i said we really like them so i have to admit deep down i was hoping that they would be like you know we talked about it and we want to give full swap a try next time so i admit i was definitely hoping for that oh i was hoping for that yeah during our conversations we mentioned how we enjoyed going to a club in columbus called club princeton and they were interested in checking it out as well even i thought it would be a lot of fun going with a couple for their first ever club experience.

Yeah, it was fun. So we invited them to do that, and they were on board. So this was probably, what, a few weeks to a month after our play date with them? After our soft swap? Yeah. It wasn't long. Yeah, no, not long. A couple weeks, maybe. Yeah. Well, we met them at their hotel in Columbus and then drove over to the club. And we also arranged to have another couple that we enjoy playing with fairly regularly to meet us there. Well, because we wanted to have people to actually have sex with. We didn't want to do just another soft swap.

And our friends who we invited to come knew that's why they were coming.

Did you have sex him then yeah you did because i did i didn't have any the only person i had sex with that night was you oh well i'm sorry about your luck no it's fine i just no i didn't realize you did it in the in the fishbowl room uh-huh really i don't remember that you who say you enjoy watching me i know i just don't remember that's really yeah oh wow okay well sorry so be it why are you apologizing that you didn't get to see it i probably did i just don't remember probably you were probably too nervous being yes that that is true i do not like being in that room being watched by others but all right good for you for trying it thank you all right sidetracked a little bit okay so um so anyway we had this other couple meet us there it was a fun time you know we did go on a friday night which unfortunately means the club was pretty much dead uh there was another couple there very attractive uh who i had seen on the princeton site i introduced all of us um and we kind of invited them to hang out with us because again there weren't many people there uh they did actually join us for a while so we all hung out we drank we danced it was a fun time yeah at some point i don't know how maybe you remember this but it was decided that all the ladies were all going to play together so yeah at Princeton they had this giant room that we nicknamed the fishbowl it's this huge room probably with like 10 beds oh there's more than that 15 20 maybe yeah and there's a wall of windows and I would say and I actually tried to pace this out with my feet to try to remember but I would say it's about 20 to 25 feet long, just a wall of windows.

And I would say, and I actually tried to pace this out with my feet to try to remember, but I would say it's about 20 to 25 feet long, just a wall of windows where people can stand and watch what's going on in the fishbowl. And I think there's a rule posted that says couples or groups of women only.

And I can't remember the exact rule, but I think it's something like that that but all four women went to the fishbowl and we just watched were there only four of us I think so because you had uh Jane you had the people we invited you and the new couple girl woman okay so I think it was four seemed like more okay so um you had Eva, Jane, the two other ladies just having fun with each other. So naturally it was fun. We guys got all turned on and we decided to go in and join them. Now I've already established.

I do not like being watched, but I made an exception here because the club was pretty much dead. Not many people watching except a couple of single guys. So I played with Eva a bit. And the lady whom we know, she sucked on my dick. I do remember that. I don't think I actually had sex with her. I don't know which lady you're talking about. The one we invited to come with us. Oh, okay.

But I was not very comfortable you know um just not not my my cup of tea just because of the location right yeah i think i may have said this in a previous episode i do not enjoy playing at a in a club setting and this kind of verified that for me this is the only time you've ever played in a club setting. You're right. So after some playtime, we did head out with Jim and Jane, and we asked if they wanted to go to a private playroom. I remember that differently. Or they asked us. No, I remember. I thought we played with them in the private room first. I don't think so. No?

I'm almost positive we started out in the fishbowl room i don't think so i don't know not not really relevant i don't know yeah not so yeah uh well we accepted it we went in there and that's when i realized two things number one i was correct i don't like playing in a club playroom it's's just very uncomfortable to me. To be fair, it was a soft swap. So it really wasn't a full play experience for us, for what we're used to.

So you're judging based on something that we already knew was going to be slightly disappointing no matter what true but but i do agree with you it was very hot it was hot in the room i don't the sheets coming off the bed coming off the bed and like the music the mattress was plasticky squeaky like the that rustling sound and i didn't like that you could hear people outside you can hear people outside you can hear the music pumping distracted so yeah yeah so that was number one yeah i didn't i wouldn't need to do it again it kind of validated you know i was right the playing at a club is not for me number two soft swapping is not for me so this was our second time and as much as we enjoyed this couple, it once again left me, or shall I say us, feeling unfulfilled or gypped.

Yeah, I just realized we maybe shouldn't have said gypped. I think that might be a derogatory term. Is it? I think it is. Okay. We apologize to... I don't know. If it's a derogatory term, please let us know. Email us or message us. But we'll just keep going and we won't use that term anymore. Okay. Is it really derogatory? It might be. I don't know. Okay. Well, we do try our best to be polite and respectful on this podcast, and anything that's not polite or respectful is unintentional. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I think it might be.

So believe it or not, I mean, that's pretty much the end of our story. I mean, sadly, after that evening, we never saw that couple again. You know, we kept in touch for a while, but eventually I think it became obvious that we weren't a good match for each other. Here we go.

that couple again you know we kept in touch for a while but eventually i think it became obvious that we weren't a good match for each other and eventually the interactions on kick where we communicated they just stopped they just stopped that we weren't a good match i mean well i mean we're not a good man just we wanted different things so we're not a good match yeah i guess yeah no i i did i'll admit i held on to hope for a while that as um as they got further and further into the lifestyle they would contact us and say you know hey we've we've decided to try full swap and we would like you to be the first couple we try it with but that message never came unfortunately well i believe it was him that was the impression i got oh i agree he was driving oh i agree i think she would have jumped on board a dick in a matter of seconds yeah if he said it was okay yeah but he was not comfortable with it yeah so you were waiting for him to come around as a matter of fact if i remember correctly i think our friend in that fishbowl room said to her uh like do you want me to fuck you or something like that and she was like yes and oh and then and then jim jumped in he's like no we are not doing that or something like that yeah yeah which is good i mean no that yeah that's that's shouldn't have said yes but right but everybody has to be on board yeah um so you know like i said that the message never came but if we were to see them out and about town you know i'm sure we'd say hello and you know things are amicable between us it's not like yeah no one ever said we don't think this is working out you know or we don't want to see you guys anymore naturally yeah it's just naturally fizzled out now don't get me wrong i would love to still have a full swap with them because i would if they yeah well you and i we agree that they were both super hot and yeah it is quite difficult we've learned to find couples where both eva and i are equally attracted to the other couple so it's kind of a bummer that didn't work out but that's the lifestyle for you you know sometimes things work out sometimes they don't so any other uh comments before we wrap this?

Any other thing that I left out or you can think of? I don't think so. Not about that. Okay. Not about soft swapping. Yeah. So that's just really, it was like being in high school. Just not our thing. No, just not our thing. And, but we're not saying it's a bad thing.

If it's your thing if it's your thing that's great but please make sure everyone knows that that is your thing and you're not going to go any farther right so people can turn you down politely and just say that is not our thing we would wish to move on because there's plenty of people out there who it is their thing right so you just find the ones that match and same thing with parallel play yeah i'm sure there are lots of people oh yeah that only do parallel play yeah yeah all right so well with that i guess we'll call this uh episode of evan swings wrapped up with a bow on it tied up ready to go't know.

I couldn't think of anything fun to say. Well, that was pretty dorky. All right. Well, I hope you enjoyed listening. I would like to thank my favorite co-host in the world for joining me for this episode. It's always so much fun when Eva joins me.

He's going to thank me by playing a game with me oh yes as always you can you can contact either of us with any questions or comments or topic suggestions you can find me on kick or instagram at evan deanson we'd love to answer questions you may have you know in a future episode and and see if you ask eva a question that will create an excuse for her to return to the program so most of my episodes are solo episodes but occasionally when we have a story like today it's great to have her here with me and get her perspective but even if the story is fine without her perspective if you listen or send in questions then she'll have to come on and answer them i definitely will but i have a question for you sure has anyone ever asked you a question yes lots of lots of my fans out there not yet okay let's make the first question be to eva that's fine that's fine with me so free so feel free to send her or me any questions that you have rolling around in your mind we'll see you next time on evan swings until then stay safe stay naughty and take care everyone bye eva bye