RUSSIAN COLLUSION

It goes back to no consequences. The parent is not going to back up the teachers. And the District is telling them to keep the kid moving. Keep him moving.

ONEHELL----->And I do not blame teachers and administrators. Their hands are tied.

When it comes to discipline I'd agree with you. However when it comes to expectations around completing in class room work and OMG yes home work? The teachers and administrators have a lot more control than they are willing to take. Easier to just pass them up to the next grade. Again.....another reason none of my children ever saw, in their formative years, the inside of a public school.

The downfall of our public education systems is because we do not beat the children any longer!!!!! I say that tongue and cheek. But it does beg to be brought up. I do not agree with PHX. "When you allow the village to raise your children....". The village raised me and by his age I would dare to say that the village raised him also. If I was running around on the streets of my neighborhood or in school acting up. It was quickly taken care of by a neighbor or a teacher. A neighbor would be quick to have me stop, then immediately inform by parents. Who would then handle the situation as they saw fit. I was not regularly beaten. But I sure can attest to a few that were doozies. In school the teachers would not hesitate to give you a whack across the back of the head or the death claw on your neck. I learned at a very young age not the tell my parents. They would not call the school and complain that someone had laid a hand on their little baby. They would ask me what I did to deserve the punishment. Then they would again handle the situation the best they saw fit. And yes sometimes they would decide to give me another whack across the back of the head. I am by no means condoning beating the children. But children are well aware that there are no consequences for their bad behavior. Our public school systems have become holding tanks until the student is too old or they decide not to come to school any longer. And I do not blame teachers and administrators. Their hands are tied.

Prop 98 only guaranteed a percentage of the general fund to go to education. You still have the revenue reduction of Prop 13.

Only in California can you have two houses right next to each other with identical floor plans but one owner pays $500 in property taxes while the other pays $5,000.

TBR.... I understand how Prop 13 hurt the lower income area school systems but I thought that Prop 98 was proposed to fix that inequity. No?

In California it was 1978 with the passage of Prop 13.

"when the education system went bad" - Say thank you to parents who refused to take an active role in their children’s education. When you allow the village to raise your children you get village idiots.....

"when the education system went bad" - Say thank you to Ronald Reagan..

I keep hearing this participation trophy and everyone treated the same thing. I don't see it.

My oldest son is 42 and my youngest is 9. So I have been around the educational system as a parent for pretty close to four decades.

I have been watching one of my sons play and coach football for 20 years. Never once have I seen a participation trophy.

I have been employed at every level of education, from Head Start to doctoral granting institutions. Everybody gets a grade. There is no participation trophies.

No Child Left Behind was badly designed. It was basically a giveaway to the educational testing companies, several of which were owned by Bush family members.

But that is what you (not you specifically) want. You want education to be all about getting a better job. There is value in education that transcends employment.

@Perfect. You on the line for that whole 74G a year?

"skin in the game"

That's the phrase I always use.

"two years of Community College should be free"

And:

"I'll just put the tip in".

Maybe:

"I'll pull out just before".

The intent is tax-payer funded secondary education. Because twenty-somethings as a group aren't quite entitled enough yet. Fuck me to tears.

Here's a thought: before you can vote, you serve your country for two years. Military, peace corps, work a week every month at your local Public Works department, anything that makes sense and serves the public as a whole, but nothing that can be construed as political. Actually do something that gives you a sense of having skin in the game.

And since we're going waaaay off topic: No more withholding taxes, everybody has to write a check to the Fed, State & local governments every quarter, so they realize how much all this "free" shit costs.

TBR.... I'm sorry, I was a bit too vague when I asked when the education system went bad. I was not referring to "higher education". I think, aside from the skyrocketing cost, higher education in this country is fairly good. Hence, as you put it, there are still lots of foreign students coming here.

My personal opinion is that we started going off the rails with the whole no CHD left behind and the everybody gets a participation medal thinking. We are incentivising mediocrity. Where is the carrot at the end of the stick if they all get the same prize at the end?

There is a bit of controversy about how "bad" our education system is.

International students still flock here to get educated in our higher education institutions.

The tuition at CSU in the 1970s was about $100 a semester. It is now around $4,000.

Part of it is inflation. Part of it is reduced allocations from State governments.

Where is that idiot who used to always bitch about college professors getting million dollar pensions?

LOL not sure how we went from Russian Collusion to Education. Ohhhhhh that's right, there was none!!

However staying in the education theme. Many of the things you hear and experience about education is why our children never saw the inside of a Public School system until they hit college. The school we sent them to? Yep, actually had academic standards that children were required to meet. If they didn't hit the standards the Administration would point down the street to the public schools and tell the parents, maybe that's a better choice for your children.

Our education system started downhill when Carter created the DoED.

My daughter's University is $57.000 plus $17,000 room and board. That's $72,000 a year. The school has a $1 billion endowment.

You can't ask taxpayers to support these schools any more than they already do.

Penn State is 11 times more than when I went there 30 years ago. What else, besides maybe healthcare has gone up that much?? It's far too expensive for no real reason. Most of these schools have HUGE endowments. Why aren't the socialists crying about this?

TBR..... Of course it is supported with tax dollars and yes it is a matter of priorities. Honestly, when do you think our educational system started going into the shitter?

We all know that it is not really free, but supported by tax dollars.

It is a matter of priorities.

TBR.... We finally agree again on some things. LMFAO. Don't get me wrong. I do not think that ALL college should be free. But the whole community college being free was and is a GREAT idea.

Please don't get me started on military spending.

That's the point. It could happen today.

We have decided that education is not a societal good.

We would rather have a robust prison industrial complex and spend billions we can not account for in defense.

And of course, we are a consumer society that wants to put everything in the credit card.

TBR..... I agree with you and a lot has changed. In the late 50's and early 60's, my dad went through four years of undergrad at Villanova and 4 years grad school at Temple and paid for it all by working 60 hour weeks in a glass factory during the summer. I wish our kids had the ability to work their asses off in the summer and make enough to pay the following year's school costs. Not gonna happen today.

Well @Mario. This is probably beating a dead horse. But please reference him saying that State Colleges and Universities should be free for four years. I cannot find it anywhere. He did say last week in NH, that two years of Community College should be free. And in 2015 he said that Obama’s initiative of two years of free college SHOULD be expanded. But I am not going to hold him accountable for a campaign style speech in 2015. If I did? Trump is way over on his rounds of golf he promised NOT to play. I will hold him accountable for his speech last week. I am not asking to bust your chops. I just want to know and be able to reference the fact. If he did promise free school at colleges and universities? That should be made known. I cannot support that. Anymore than I can support free health care for all.

There was a time not so long ago where the country valued education and community college was tuition free.

Currently, about half of California Community college students do not pay tuition. Another 30% or so get a Pell Grant to defray the cost of tuition.

When my mother went to a California State University in the 1970s, tuition was $100 a semester.

It is all about priorities.