Roe vs Wade

“My original question, which you have yet to answer, was why do you think we made it illegal to put to death a pregnant woman? It is very specific. So again, why do YOU think we put that into law? It surely isn’t to protect the mother. She is already convicted and sentenced. So why?”

As stated by me before, “There is nothing in sec B that says WHY a pregnant woman cannot be executed. It simply states that they will not be executed.”

Is there anything in sec b that states the reason? Yes or No? Am I missing something? I am big enough of a man to admit if I have missed something.

Onehell….. My original question, which you have yet to answer, was why do you think we made it illegal to put to death a pregnant woman? It is very specific. So again, why do YOU think we put that into law? It surely isn’t to protect the mother. She is already convicted and sentenced. So why?

8inch…..” You want to decide for the woman?”

No, I’m agreeing with the courts and treating a fetus as what it really is….an unborn person. And all persons deserve to be protected. That is why we put into law that we will not put to death a pregnant woman. It is also why we prosecute murders for two murders when they kill a pregnant woman. Just who do you think the second count of murder is for? It is for the unborn child. Look up the legal definition of murder……”Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. ” It can only be “murder” if the action was against a “human”. Ergo, the fetus is being treated (legally) as any other human and thus must also receive the same rights as any other human.

What pivot? It’s the same topic the two of us have been posting about.

A little self awareness does not hurt either.

Swallow and you don't need Roe vs Wade.....

@Mario...... "Any ideas as to why we made it illegal to put to death a pregnant woman?"

My response:
Because only the woman can decide if she wants to carry to full term or not. It's not the State or Feds. body or baby. You want to decide for the woman?

He shoots it down and adds his secret weapons... BULLSHIT and a hamster wheel.

“Sec B is in reference to “pregnant women”….. what the fuck else are they pregnant with? A kangaroo? Yeah, I answered your stupid question.”

That tells me absolutely nothing.

“ Now answer mine.”

There is nothing in sec B that says WHY a pregnant woman cannot be executed. It simply states that will not be executed.

It does not specify in the law, so the question is unanswerable...

Onehell….”Where in 18 USC 3596 sec. b. does it mention anything about babies? ”

Sec B is in reference to “pregnant women”….. what the fuck else are they pregnant with? A kangaroo? Yeah, I answered your stupid question. Now answer mine.

You never answered at what point a “developing baby” is developed?

“Why does federal law prohibit a woman, sentenced to death, from being put to death while pregnant?”

I was not answering your question when I made my first post.

You have not answered my question. Where in 18 USC 3596 sec. b. does it mention anything about babies? Where in this section does it give you a reason why?

Onehell….”Because. I was simply pointing out that this only pertains to federal death penalties. It has nothing to do with state death penalties.”

That is all fine. But you offered that point in regards to my original post. So answer the original question. Why does federal law prohibit a woman, sentenced to death, from being put to death while pregnant?

“But if we ever sat down for a drink and talked, chances are we’d have more in common than not.”

I would hope that if I meet anyone over drinks. We’re not discussing politics. If we must discuss politics? I would hope we could still bust each other’s chops and still disagree.

I think people are getting confused with the state/federal distinction.

If you are convicted of murder under state law, the authorities can not move you to a state with a death penalty and murder you.

If you are convicted of murder under federal law, they can.

“Onehell…. First, why would you bring up a state law when my post was in reference to a federal law? “

Because. I was simply pointing out that this only pertains to federal death penalties. It has nothing to do with state death penalties.

“Also, federal law supersedes state law (Article VI paragraph 2 of the US constitution).”

I never claimed otherwise. Did I?

Do states rights supercede federal rights?

Under the Constitution, the state legislatures retain much of their sovereignty to pass laws as they see fit, but the federal government also has the power to intervene when it suits the national interest. And under the “supremacy clause” found in Article VI, federal laws and statutes supersede state law.

Onehell…”It’s all in good fun. Mario has no problem giving it back. And I would expect nothing less from him.”

So very true. We break each other’s balls a lot. But if we ever sat down for a drink and talked, chances are we’d have more in common than not.

Onehell…. First, why would you bring up a state law when my post was in reference to a federal law? Also, federal law supersedes state law (Article VI paragraph 2 of the US constitution). Care to try again?

“Y'all lost at life if you're making fun of a guy bettering himself like that. Jealous much ?”

It’s all in good fun. Mario has no problem giving it back. And I would expect nothing less from him.

“US v Higgs.”

Please reference the pregnant woman in this case? Or where a pregnant woman is even mentioned in this case.

“There are many states in the 9 circuit. Let’s say you were convicted in one state that does not permit capital punishment (like California), yet the federal law that governs the 9th circuit does. You are sentenced to death (in federal court) ”

What have I said since my first post with you? FEDERAL COURT. This does not pertain to state court death sentences.

Onehell….. “ Reading is fundamental. They didn’t teach you that at Drexel? If the state the prisoner is in does not allow the death penalty? How can they be sentenced to death penalty in that state unless it was on Federal charges?”

Wow, talk about little or no understanding about our judicial system. I’ll make it easier for you to understand. There are many states in the 9 circuit. Let’s say you were convicted in one state that does not permit capital punishment (like California), yet the federal law that governs the 9th circuit does. You are sentenced to death (in federal court) but reside in a federal prison that is in a state who’s laws do not allow capital punishment. You would be moved to a different federal prison, in the same circuit (ie: Arizona), who does allow capital punishment. Then the sentence can be legally carried out (after you have exhausted all appeals).

So the example of the 9th circuit contains California (no death penalty state) and also Arizona (a death penalty state). In all honesty, I thought the very same thing as you….. Until this very example was brought up by a fellow, savvy, student.

Refreshing to see smart ass One getting his ass handed to him, i see another block coming from One LOL

In California, with a 151 you have about a 60% chance of passing the bar on your first attempt.

With a 172, that chance increases to virtually certain.

But law school is a long haul.

Good Luck.

Tbr…. Thank you. Very nice of you to say.