2much Lol! Fancy a bowl of castoreum sprinkled with carmine (for crunch) you can wash it down with a tall glass of mylk
Which actually popped into my mind as one of those cute, alternative product names that makes VA giggle like a little girl.
~rabbit~
You're making me hungry.
EA and VA- nowhere on the labels of dairy free mayo or milks does it say or has it ever said it contains eggs or cow milk.
Reading ingredient lists is important for everyone. For me it’s a standard practice. Other people, that don’t care as much about their health or diet don’t bother and then are shocked when there are consequences.
Didn’t some woman just win a lawsuit against Nutella for misrepresenting itself as healthy? Imo she should not have gotten a dime the ingredients and nutritional facts are right there on the label.
Once again. Let me reiterate. I would LOVE more truth in labeling.
Dairy free creamers—most contain casein, a milk derivative. How can they call themselves dairy free.
Almond Milk— some brands actually contain some dairy milk but it’s only listed in the ingredients
Go Veggie cheese food alternative - most types contain casein, that milk derivative again
Most margarines contain dairy
Most “caramel coloring” is made from milk yet NO WHERE on those labels does it state milk as an allergen warning.
Some of your foods might contain castoreum which is just a fancy name for beaver anal gland secretion and urine
Cochineal and carmine coloring is made from crushed beetles. No where on the labeling does it state it contains insects.
If your kids begged you for some candy which was clearly labeled as “Now contains more crushed beetles and beaver anal gland secretion for better flavor and color!” Do you think many people would buy it?
Mislabeling and misrepresentation is across the board. If you want truth in labeling go after ALL of it. Not just the products you seem oddly challenged by.
Oh and VA, please don’t let me bother you so much.
I never said you, or anyone else can’t ingest animal products, I Just know it’s unhealthy for people and the plant and really REALLY for healthy for the animals.
~rabbit~
I read everything.
"I don’t thing beef should be listed as fish. Beef should be listed as dead cow flesh. Pork should be listed as pig flesh., etc. why give it all cute, disassociated names?
Dairy milk should be clarified as goat/cow/buffalo lactation and have to list the amount of pus, hormones and blood it is legally allowed to contain and still be called “milk”
Really, think about the products that are being targeted. They are being targeted because the egg/dairy/meat industries are being threatened."
Did you read anything?
You guys can't get past the fact that RULES are already in place. People broke the rules. The people who play by the rules complained. The people who broke the rules were told to follow the rules.
That is it - nothing more.
When you get an answer stating that beef should be called dead cow flesh - it shows that you are past the point of reason and now at the point of being ludicrous about the subject matter.
Do you actually read posts before deciding how you want to respond EA?
Rabbit clearly stated she believes all products should be labeled properly and you reply gasoline could be labeled as beer? Talking nonsense doesn’t make your case any stronger.
Accurate labeling has to compete with marketing and the point you chose to ignore is that having truth in labeling would require people to face the reality of what they are consuming on a daily basis but the food industry doesn’t want that.
They would rather market “hot dogs” then label it as of gristle, fat, offal and nitrates.
As for your “crazy train” insults VA, I’m not surprised. Rabbit is simply stating facts about obesity and health issues caused by the diet you embrace and suggests plant based diets are healthier and you resort to insults. Typical for you, when you can’t find fault with the argument, attack the person making the statement.
~S~
@Rabbit
I get it . . . you hate eggs/dairy/etc. That's fine. But you really are allowing your hatred for them to cloud your reasoning.
The rules are established and have been established. The FTC/FDA says everyone has to play by the same rules. Now someone is trying to NOT play with those rules. You want to let them get away with it? Makes no sense. And if you were in the egg/dairy/etc line of business, wouldn't you bitch and complain that someone is in your line of business not playing by the rules?
Truth in labeling is all it is. It is not protecting the industry. It is not beating down the other guy. It is saying, be truthful is all.
I guess we can remove labeling laws and let gasoline be sold as beer. I guess we can remove labeling laws and let bleach be sold as soda.
So come on man . . . promote the fuck out of your favorite products and bash the fuck out of what you think is bad for your health. But let the labels be accurate and then let people choose and have faith that what is said on the label is actually what is inside the package.
Government destroys so many businesses by changing the rules
I'm going to market a veggie burger. It'll be made of 50% beef and 50%... whatever veggie burgers are currently made of.
I'm also going to work duck fat into margarine and call it "Just Margarine".
I'm departing this conversation. It's gone off the rails into CrazyLand. Rabbit, things like you've written are why so many people think vegans are nuts. You're letting your passion impair your reasoning.
EroticAmazon— I’m all for truth in labeling, more than most.
I don’t thing beef should be listed as fish. Beef should be listed as dead cow flesh. Pork should be listed as pig flesh., etc. why give it all cute, disassociated names?
Dairy milk should be clarified as goat/cow/buffalo lactation and have to list the amount of pus, hormones and blood it is legally allowed to contain and still be called “milk”
Really, think about the products that are being targeted. They are being targeted because the egg/dairy/meat industries are being threatened.
You can claim otherwise but I’ve been watching this bullshit for years. Some people get their panties in a bunch or like to make fun of what some foods are called. Others actually give a damn about their health and the welfare of the planet and end up on the mocked side.
It is what it is.
~rabbit~
I checked at the grocery store today. It still says Just Mayo.
@Rabbit
You keep missing the point of the suits. You seem to want to tie in nutritional scores and your beliefs into the case whereas the point is not that at all.
ALL of these cases are about ONE thing. Truth in labeling. That is why the Soy and Almond crowd will lose. That is why Just Mayo lost. To avoid ambiguity the FTC has defined the terms. This is the 'standard' to use that term you have to meet. The mayo people LIED on their label. They had to change the label.
I am all for truth in labeling and honestly, I think you are as well.
You wouldn't want beef to be labeled fish would you? :)
Young woman DEAD MURDERED by an illegal and you Democrats dont care. What are we supposed to call you?
@vabeach
It's originally about being able to argue without resorting to name calling.
Its called capitalism, something that the Republicans states love. Those beers that sell are the ones offered with a new variety or two to see if they will sell as well.
It certainly sounds bothersome.
I do miss cheese curds from living in the northern states. Squeaky cheese, as we called it.
What exactly is the topic of this thread? People suck?
This is timely...
The just crowned the new (65th) Princess Kay of The Milky Way yesterday. At the State Fair today, they carved a statue of her- from a 90 pound block of butter. She gets to take it home at the end of the fair.
The State Fair is where, for a buck, you can drink all the cow lactation you can drink. I suppose to wash down the deep fried cheese curds.
And none of that bothers me. What does bother me are some of the beers that are available only at the fair- deep fried cake beer, dill pickle ale, mini donut beer, and S'mores beer. Seriously? Who the fuck decided beer served in a graham cracker/chocolate rimmed glass and topped with a marshmallow was a good idea?
Now I'm bothered.
I think you'll find that the number of dairy farms closing is a result of smaller ones having a problem competing with larger ones and either closing or being absorbed into them, so the actual number of dairies is dropping but the number of cows dedicated to them is increasing. Likewise with the total number of farms of any kind - 2,116,780 in 2000, but 2,048,000 in 2017, and the number of farmed acres is dropping slowly (922 million acres in 2007, 915 million in 2012, to 910 million in 2017, but the average acre per farm is up from 418 in 2007 to 444 in 2017. For better or for worse, they are like any industry in that way - they are motivated to try and bring costs down, increase productivity per acre, etc.
Anyway - just thought I'd inject some numbers into what is obviously an ideologically-motivated argument.
As for government subsides - oh hell yes. Our entire farming industry (and I mean all of it - from corn and wheat up to dairy and poultry) is monkeyed with by what and by how much governments chooses to encourage, discourage, subsidize and set import/export targets for. It's a very artificial sector of the economy.
As for the words "milk" and "mayo" - milk refers to a lactation product of mammals, but the dictionary definition includes things that resemble milk in it, such as "a food product produced from seeds or fruit that resembles and is used similarly to cow's milk", or even non-food products such as paint. We also have the verb "to milk" as in to work an extract out of something. In other words, we have been using the word "milk" to mean a number of things for quite some time.
The word "mayonnaise", on the other hand, means something pretty specific, and there is precedent for preventing the use of the word for related, but not identical, things, such as Miracle Whip.
I can’t speak on those statistics as I haven’t looked them up and researched them myself.
I do know that dairies around the world are closing though. Some even learned to evolve and started producing non-dairy milk instead.
I have to wonder if part of the high production is gov. subsidized.
If your consumption stats are correct though I wouldn’t be surprised as the US is also a huge producer of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, ED, etc...
Back on topic though, mayo kept its name, I doubt coconut milk and cream will be changing since it’s always been called that and is nothing like cow lactation and I also believe nut/grain milks will have to change. Even if they do have to call themselves something else they will still sell.
~rabbit~
People in the US are eating more eggs than ever.
251.1 per person per year in 2000. 278.7 per person per year in 2017. The 2017 yield of 105 billion eggs is an all-time high.
The US produces more milk than ever. 189 billion pounds (yes, billion) in 2008. 215 billion pounds in 2017. Around 14% of it is exported.
The US produces more meat than ever. 99.7 billion pounds of red meat and poultry in 2017, and the average American eats 222.2 pounds of red meat and poultry a year, which is an all-time high.
So... the fact that we are at all-time highs of meat, egg, and dairy consumption AND production seems to fly in the face of the notion of it being a dying industry...
...although I appreciate the pun.
There are certain exceptions to specific things. Consumption of milk itself is down around 5%, but we are consuming more of everything else dairy (cream, cheese, butter) than ever.
I'm not really bothered by it at all.
I don't hardly drink milk, although I am quite fond of the cow meat.
By any other name the healthier alternatives will still put animal lactation in its grave.
I don’t know why calling plant based products “milk” bothers so many people but I’ve certainly noticed people getting their panties in a bunch about it, and other meat/dairy alternatives.
Whatever. I don’t really care. I’ll still buy or make the alternatives and so will others.
Like I said. It’s the wild flailing of a dying industry. I don’t need to get involved when they are doing so much damage to themselves.
~rabbit~
Well, since animal milk has been called milk for centuries, we should probably keep that name for that product.
Other things can come up with some other name...
Seems to me, if the FDA wants to be clear, they should just call it cow lactation.
BTW, there has been ample evidence that the FDA only acted on these matters because the egg and dairy industries put pressure on them.
The dairy and egg industries are failing because of the healthier, more conscientious alternatives available. Just this past June another 54 dairies in Wisconsin shut down/sold out—and that’s only one state. They are flailing wildly trying to stay afloat.
~rabbit~
Government destroys so many small businesses by changing the rules.
@Rabbit
Are you asking my opinion or what the FDA policy states in regards to coconut milk? The FDA defines it as lactation. So no, it can't be defined as milk. However, at least a coconut has a liquid in it :) A nut has no liquid and honestly, I wonder at what temperature it would even turn into a liquid. Then how would you get it to stay a liquid at room temperature. Hmm . . . been too long since I was in chemistry.
In regards to the Just Mayo. You are right, it is basically the same case. They actually lost because they had to change their label to reflect there were no eggs in it compared to the previous label. Unilever sued for false advertising and unfair competition.
So yes, this is the same and I expect the same results with the soy and almond milk crowd.
