One really common bullshit story is that "history" refers primarily to men by virtue of the word - "his story".
No. It's derived from the French word "histoire", which in turn in derived from the Greek word "historia", meaning "inquiry".
That doesnt stop it from being repeated forever, though.
VA..... Thanks. I never really thought of it in that way before. I took French in high school but was also required to take Latin. We frequently made reference to the root of a great deal of our language being Latin based. However, we never really heard too much about the other influences. That is pretty cool. I'm always up to learn something new.
Yeah I came across it by accident reading about the linguistic and cultural influences of the Norman invasion and it made me think about it.
It's not important at all... but I like those "well, how about that?" tidbits. Given that I speak French on a crude level you'd think I would have already thought of it on my own...
I do know that a lot of relics of the Normans impositions on the English language survive today. It was part of securing their tenuous grip on power and keeping the populace under their thumb as best as possible.
VA..... Hmmm, that is quite interesting. Might make for a great jeopardy question (answer).
Hey - some time ago Rabbit posted this:
"I don’t thing beef should be listed as fish. Beef should be listed as dead cow flesh. Pork should be listed as pig flesh., etc. why give it all cute, disassociated names?"
In case you're curious, I found out why we call cow meat "beef" and pig meat "pork", and it has nothing to do with euphemisms or pretending we're not eating dead animals...copy/pasted from a supposed expert on the subject, with some trimming for space..
Pigs turn into pork. Cows turn into beef. Sheep is mutton. Calves are veal. And deer is venison. But why do we call these animals different names when we prepare them for a meal? Why is it “pig” on the farm but "pork" in a sandwich?
The answer is the Norman Conquest of Britain in 1066. That is when many French words became part of the English language. Many of those French words related to the battlefield, such as “army” and “royal.” Many related to government and taxation. And many others related to food.
When animals were in the stable or on the farm, they kept their Old English names: pig, cow, sheep and calf. But when they were cooked and brought to the table, an English version of the French word was used: pork (porc), beef (beouf), mutton (mouton) and veal (veau).
Word experts claim that this change shows a class difference between the Anglo-Saxons and the French in Britain at the time of the conquest. Because the lower-class Anglo-Saxons were the hunters, they used the Old English names for animals. But the upper-class French saw these animals only at mealtimes. So, they used the French word to describe the prepared dishes.
Following the Norman Conquest of 1066, any hunted animal was called venison after it was killed. And probably because deer were killed more than any other animal, “venison” came to mean “deer meat.”
However, “chicken” and “fish” remain largely unchanged.
So big brother big goverment does not bother you all? That the FDA changes the rules destroying thousands of small business doe not bother you?
What next burgers can only be made for cow meat? Hot dogs can only be made from pork or beef?
The massive nanny state that our goverment has become is turning everyone into IDIOTS who depend in Mommy goverment to do all the thinking for them.
All because some company pays the corrupt politicians big dollars to do so.
"Wow. Still bitter much?"
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I’m not sure what company you’re taking about.
Is it a company making meat/dairy alternatives? Or creating lab grown meat/flesh?
If it’s a company making alt foods there are so many, now that it’s proved to be a lucrative market, that it’s impossible to keep up with them all.
~rabbit~
@Rabbit
Isn't there a company in the Bay Area, it starts with an S that is doing all the 'fake' food thing. Fuck, I can't remember their name, but I think they got FDA approval. I can be wrong here!
Wow, I haven’t even posted since this morning and you’re (8inch) swinging all over the place!
I guess you are actually flailing more at Scamp though since you keep referring to “him/his” and bringing up his individual post that I didn’t even know he placed until the next day.
So you are now talking just about lab grown animal flesh? Is there a difference that can be scientifically proven? It is still animal flesh, right? It seems like the debate about labeling GMO foods. Is there or isn’t there a difference? Is it good or bad for you?
I don’t think that lab created stuff is even consumer available yet.
You want to insure your animal meat came from an animal that was raised and killed I guess you will just have to do it yourself.
Hell, with current law changes it’s hard to even tell if the animal meat you are buying was raised in the USA.... and you’re worried about a product that isn’t even an actual issue yet?
Like I’ve said numerous times. I’m a big supporter in truth in labeling. I’m not a supporter of what does and doesn’t classify as milk/meat/mayo BUT in the end it doesn’t really bother me since I read labels.
Have fun and rage on 8inch.
~rabbit~
I'm not commenting on any particular poster or side if this debate, if you want to call it that.
I think that one or both should agree to disagree and respectfully refrain from engagement.
This is something I have trouble doing with particular posters, but I am getting better at it...
Over-tenderized...
Cuz he knows exactly the bias is for an individual, not foods.
He took several shots at me the other day, but didn't get my goat or response.
Was hoping this article about lab meat started NEW view of foods allowed and labeling.
Just brush away a few maggots and marinate it in Worcestershire sauce.
Enjoy!
Those cultured animal tissue cells should be nice and tender about now...
Instigator? Maybe true.
Biased? Not really. I like both meat and vegetables.
Don't like broccoli or brussel sprouts so biased against them I guess.
The old convo was over.
You comment on old stuff instead of new post.
She comments.
It says you're an instigator, and biased.
Volumes about your personality.
LOL
I can't read the cableguy's posts, but from what 2much posted, it sounds like the cableguy has taken a lesson from the Donald.
"Why are people so afraid of getting tricked into eating a plant product?"
Can you read?
Because the consumer was $ for beef, pork, chicken, etc.
Not lab created meat. Its not a soy/meat product, its lab meat.
Some ppl don't mind if it was a live animal, lab created, a combination, cloned animal or GMH (meat, fruit, veg, flour product). Others want real animal flesh.
What's wrong with Truth in Labeling.
You're scared to eat meat, the meat eaters are not scared to fruits and vegetables. The world does not have follow your diet, no matter how hard you peddle it.
Wow. Still bitter much?
You just said more about yourself than you did about Rabbit.
My mom used to try and trick me into eating Lima beans and rutabaga. That bothered me.
I have to admit that as an adult I decided that rutabaga isn't that bad, and is actually pretty good in certain dishes I make. Lima beans, not so much.
Yep!
The Pathetic Duo still lurk.
She couldn't get wet after last posts, so angry hubby posts for her next morning.
Occupying much space in little minds, in a small apartment.
Lol
I’ll happily discuss the strange food listing laws if 8inch or others want to. I’m just not going to get drawn into another vegan debate here. They are separate things.
I think 8inch is hoping to upset me. I’ve been aware for years where this issue was going. It’s nothing new to me so therefore there is nothing left to get upset about.
The animal industries have been talking about this forever on their forums and newsletters. They finally got the FDA on board with their generous political donations....after they managed to get some AgGag laws passed.
It’s more of a laugh while I shake my head.
~rabbit~
Feels like Ground Hog Day.
I guess they will have to rewrite all the Bible’s in Missouri as “meat” is used often to describe the nuts, fruits, grains, etc of bearing plants.
The first definition of “meat” is “animal flesh” the second, and older, definition is “food if any kind”.
This really is ridiculous that alt companies keep keep getting targeted. Why are people so afraid of getting tricked into eating a plant product?
~rabbit~
From the show me the meat state:
"On Tuesday, Missouri becomes the first state in the country to have a law on the books that prohibits food makers to use the word “meat” to refer to anything other than animal flesh.
This takes aim at manufacturers of what has been dubbed fake or non-traditional meat.
Clean meat -- also known as lab-grown meat -- is made of cultured animal tissue cells, while plant-based meat is generally from ingredients such as soy, tempeh and seitan.
The state law forbids "misrepresenting a product as meat that is not derived from harvested production livestock or poultry." Violators may be fined $1,000 and imprisoned for a year.
