Why so hard?

lol, perfect!

LOL

Not too long ago I posted this quote that seems appropriate here:

"You don't know what you don't know."

But that's none of my business.

“i am being an idiot”

Yes, more than you know. lol

888 damn if i am being an idiot then idiots sure get laid a lot.

Ncal: Shhhhh, try not to appear be a bigger idiot than you already are.

Finally found a cool real couple last Saturday and we me at a diner . Everyone ate what the wanted , I only had a couple cheese sticks and then went to my place and had a wonderful night !

888 my god are you that out of shape? Dinner means stomach is not flat, that is for me as i do not have a gut. Women love seeing a naked man with an erection that has a flat stomach as much as men love seeing a woman without a gut.

I am completely into the woman and her sexual pleasure and experience. Just like when i was playing sports i would carb up around 3pm for drinks and sex at 7pm. just nuke a couple of potatoes and eat them skin and all with fat free sour cream and chunky curry ketchup.

The woman get a flat stomach, i have all the energy that i need to fuck for as long as she or they want and everyone is very happy at the end of the evening.

We always start with a drink when we meet others to determine whether or not they match their profile. Ordering something light can help boost the comfort levels further of others if everyone is initially comfortable and clicking, by showing position. Starting with drinks and not dinner also gives time to determine whether everyone is clicking or not for play/no play may take place, especially in a no expectation setting. If play is off the table for the night and we agree on planning for another night, we may order dinner over the appetizer.

Dinner being a bad idea is completely opined, as people can always skip the ordering and leave if they don't feel "it" after the first drink. Some couples will choose to know their playmates a little to somewhat deeper for a more enriching experience and some just choose to fuck because you look good. Having in mind what accommodations are near is a good idea, but pulling out a list with pricing of each one in the area not so good.

People will work M&Gs differently based on their objectives and goals, but because not everyone is the same doesn't make anyone necessarily incorrect. Work what is effectively efficient for you in your wants/needs.

Ncal: As much as you spew about health, even you should know energy gained before play is energy to be spent during play, just don't be stupid in what you order and how much you consume.

~Allen

I'm mostly here for the derails, actually, so in my view the system is working like it should.

I think drinks are a great idea.

Two56,

If I can add one more thought for you... Consider having drinks near a hotel. Check availability at the hotel in advance. That way, if you DO hit it off and want to play, you're good to go.

Good luck and have fun,

BT

Thanks for playing along, the asshats kinda derailed the convo as usual.

~S~

I think you guys are right, I didn't hear it, but it does sound rude as hell to ask someone to meet at a hotel, drinks it is

I've been busy with real life, BT. Not so much that I haven't been reading some of the newer threads, but enough to avoid proving that I'm an ideot..... eediot..... uhhh, dummy, by posting a lot of my usual inanity.

Not that I'd admit it in polite company...

Have you been quiet of late, or did I simply block you in my simple mind? Could be that the prophesy ain't what it used to be too.

BT

" Never underestimate the sudden action-stopping power of putrefaction and methane."

So you're saying that we've met before....

Drinks only its casual. dinner is to long and to involved. Besides who wants to fuck on a full stomach?

With dinner there's also the bad breath/gas factor to consider. Never underestimate the sudden action-stopping power of putrefaction and methane.

Sorillo

Because it's something he might post...

Bingo! And if they are that hot, I want to skip straight to dessert!

~S~

"Dinner is not an ideal first meet" - R&S
Agree 100%.

In the time it takes for the first drink it is usually pretty evident if everyone is onboard or not. We have our own secret "escape code" if needed and certainly don't want an hour long dinner commitment with someone(s) who are not what they portrayed online.

"...but can see if we mention hotel or home first meet implies sex is expected, no matter how many times we say no expectations."

I would actually be creeped out by an invitation to meet strangers in their home or hotel room. It has little to do with your expectations or lack thereof and everything to do with the intimacy of the setting. I want to meet people in a neutral space and then decide if I want to move beyond impersonality. I've already moved past that if we meet in your home or hotel room. That's why saying you have no expectations is a meaningless reassurance.

I know it's sometimes a little tough to discuss the things you need to discuss in a public setting (I never, ever meet anyone in my local coffee shop, where all the baristas know me, for just that reason), but keep your voices at a conversational level, choose your venue wisely, and remember you're never going to see the people you aren't sitting with ever again.

We can usually tell within a few minutes if things are going to click so meeting for a drink works well as we can make a quick exit if necessary or flirt and enjoy the buzz and let the excitement build if things are going well.

Dinner is not an ideal first meet. If you do want to play, you end up rushing through the meal and if there is no attraction, it just seems to drag on and on.

~S~

Hit the nail on the head Sorillo, that's the difficult part for us , but can see if we mention hotel or home first meet implies sex is expected, no matter how many times we say no expectations

Thanks 88 fair enough, was wondering how that would be perceived,

Depends on the nature of the first meeting. I actually prefer a no-play meeting at first, because then everyone can just relax and be themselves. A "maybe we'll fuck tonight, maybe we won't" meeting tends to make me nervous, I'm tippy-toeing around trying not to say anything stupid (a full-time job).

In either case, the worst part (or the best part, depending on your point of view) is trying to talk in euphemisms in public to avoid offending innocent bystanders. Let's face it, if someone in the restaurant overhears us saying "what kind of anal lube do you prefer when plowing your man-meat into my wife's kiester?", that's gonna ruin their dessert.