Welcome to the Other Lifestyle Podcast, hosted by the ever-curious Jason. In this episode, we explore the realms of ethical non-monogamy, where the essence of connection extends beyond mere physical intimacy. Jason dives deep into the intrinsic emotions and complex realities that the lifestyle entails, sharing profound insights gained from his own journey and the myriad of voices he's encountered along the way.
From the unexpected challenges of erectile dysfunction and the whimsical intensity of 'hoe phases' to the unique, unfiltered stories that define this vibrant community, join us as we embrace the kaleidoscopic world where inhibitions are left at the door. Discover why sharing, understanding, and stepping out of your comfort zone are fundamental to growth within the lifestyle, while cherishing every connection along the way.
Whether you're a seasoned participant, a curious outsider, or anywhere in between, this episode invites you to look beyond the physical, to reflect on growth and genuine connections. All while underlining the importance of emotional authenticity amidst the colorful chaos of parties and encounters. As always, safety and communication take center stage, reminding listeners to stay secure and confident in the choices they make. Dare to explore, dare to understand, and dare to connect.
My links:
www.thatotherlifestyle.com
https://benable.com/ThatOtherLifestyle
Single Men's Guide to the Lifestyle Course
Risque Lifestyle Parties
SDC.com
STDHero.com
Hellowisp.com
Transcript
Speaker1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are, I hope you have blue skies. Welcome to the Other Lifestyle Podcast. I am your host, Jason. Leave vanilla behind as I reflect. This podcast is for adults only. We'll be diving into adult and sexual topics with plenty of colorful language, so it is not safe for work. If you are under 18, this is not the place for you. Stop listening. This show is all about exploring the lifestyle and ethical non-monogamy that's open to everyone, no matter your background, gender identity, expression, or your personal truth. While I do my best to use inclusive language, you might hear terms like husband, wife, or partner, for simplicity's sake. This show is for everyone, lifestyle, vanilla, or the curious. You want to connect with me? You can send me an email to host at that other lifestyle.com or visit my website that other lifestyle.com everyone is welcome here because the lifestyle is so much more than you think this is a good time to reflect it's not an anniversary of anything special actually it's a random week in july i wish i had some super important great reason to share the why of me doing this I feel the universe is telling me to stop and think and reflect, and we should not ignore the signs from the universe. If a topic or idea pops up often in a week, you should probably listen because I listen to it, and this is me listening. Lately, I've had a lot of deep conversations with people about what the lifestyle means to them. Learning how others see this unique hobby that we engage in is so fascinating. Standing in a crowd of people, there are a thousand stories you do not know. There are trials and tribulations you will never see. There is pain in some people's eyes. People carry so much on their backs that you will never know. Standing in a crowd of people, there are a thousand stories of glory and triumph and happiness and orgies and sexy time. People keep these little memories of happy times in their pockets like emotional glitter bombs. They dust them off, roll them around in their hands, and then share these little supernovas of joy with a select few. Standing in a crowd of people, for lifestyle folk at least, there are a thousand different ways to put a finger on the pulse of what we do. A thousand permutations of play styles, approaches, concepts, feelings, emotions, and friendships. That's what I've learned. Every person you meet is a vibrant, radiant soul in their own way. And you're never going to know their whole story. You'll never know their own personal adventures. All you can do is be a part of that story. A buddy of mine mentioned to me that we never realize how many stories we are a part of. How many times we are the main characters in someone else's narrative. How many times a person will share the story of a wild night that you are a part of where you will live on forever. The wild thing is, even more wild than the night is, that you're never going to know. No one shares the stories with you that you are a part of. You will never know how many people keep you alive in their stories. We are just echoes in time, which is a really cool thought. These stories lead me to something else that I've learned, and this is a little harder to explain, and I struggle with this. Time. The way people measure time in the lifestyle fascinates me. Parties or events or dates plant themselves like buoys in the oceans in people's brains. Markers of change or new friendships, bad vibes, good vibes, happiness. People will reference a party I threw like it was a life-changing event from years ago or talk about a party we went to and they got to have sex with a person of their desire. And it's not like this stuff happened last weekend. Like I said, these are parties from years ago that still burn bright in their minds. And I tell vanilla people about our adventures. Naked, flesh, fucking. They are entranced. This tale of epic debauchery that they would probably cut off a finger to be a part of. And for me, though, it's just another Saturday night. Not to cheapen anything. And I worry about becoming desensitized about all this too. And we'll talk about that later. These stories create high points, lighthouses in the minds of others. They reference them fondly like they were last weekend. And I find that so interesting. Compared to the drudgery and monotony of the vanilla world, these events that I may not hold the same fondness for, or fascination, or even fucking remember, they burn bright in other people's minds, becoming these legendary stories. Don't take this the wrong way. This is not a bad thing. It's just an observation and a recommendation. Go to parties. Go to events. Go to takeovers. If you never venture out of your own comfort zone, you will never have a chance to be epic. And yes, you can have epic adventures with just another couple. I have, and I hope to do it again. And I do hold some nights that we've had with friends just sitting in the house in the highest regard. Nights I want to create. Nights I know will never happen again, as tragic as that thought is. What I've learned is you have to break out of your comfort zone and the lifestyle. Yes, big events may be intimidating. For introverts, you're going to fucking dread this shit, but you need to do it at least once. Find an event close to you and just go. By the end of the night, you may realize you don't like it, but at least you tried. You have to put yourself out there. If you want to meet new people, assume they're not going to magically find you. Using the websites and the apps are great. A well-written profile is an instant window into a couple. Do you have a well-written profile? Did you write more than two sentences about yourself? You and your spouse are fully realized human beings. There's a lot of interesting stuff to you, I promise. Share that shit on your profile. Go to events, though. Get outside of your comfort zone on this one. The best, most meaningful connections and sex I have had was because I connected with people at parties. And I don't know why. In person, you can instantly feel there's a physical attraction, instantly feel there's a mental attraction, instantly decide that, yes, I want to fuck this person, enjoy their body, and see them naked. I'm getting way too philosophical today, and I know you came here to hear me talk about sex and fucking and how to do more fucking. So, okay, let's talk about the fucking. Let me share with you the truth about the lifestyle and about what we do. The fucking, right? Not as much as you think. Not as much fucking happens as you think. I tell the vanilla crowd who gets all excited when they find out that we're swingers, probably like the fourth or fifth insight tidbit into this hobby I share, is that fucking is actually a very small part of this. 90% of the time is talking, normal talking. We can hang out with our spicy friends and nothing happens. What? I know, right? We're not constantly fucking in this, which then leads me to look at my lifestyle friends and share this to you. Yes, it would appear that everyone else is way more active than you. And I can tell you that's not true. There are certainly couples who bang someone new every weekend. That happens. Vast majority of couples that I know, they might get busy with another couple once a month, twice a month, once a year. So yeah, people are not as active as you think they are. The people who appear really popular, they never get laid for whatever reason. The ones who share stories all the time, other escapades, probably are not as busy as their stories would lead you to believe. See my earlier point about time and bottling stories. It's the quiet ones. The quiet ones out there, they're always fucking and you will never know about it because they don't say shit. When you look at a couple, remember you're only seeing the highlight reels of their experiences. Just like social media is a carefully constructed reality of happiness, you only see other people's successes in the lifestyle. You don't see the dates that fall through. You don't see the awkward conversations that lead to bad vibes. You don't see other people strike out. No one shares their failures. And okay, maybe they do if it's a particularly really bad date, but they don't give names, you know, out of courtesy. You only see the highlights. You hear the bragging, you hear their stories, and you may feel left out. Feelings, the feeling of being left out. I need to talk about feelings later. Again, you only hear the high points. You don't hear how two couples couldn't figure out how to initiate sex and everyone went home frustrated. You don't hear about all the ghosting and the flaking that happens. You don't hear about the erectile dysfunction, and that's another thing I need to talk about later. You only hear the highlights. This is the real lifestyle experience. There are ups, there are downs, there are positives and negatives. From my own bag of stories, there have been couples that we connected with really well via chatting and texting. You meet a person and the spark's not there. Other couples that we just can never make schedules work. We've had couples where we thought we had something special with them and then they ghosted us. We also have friends that mean a lot to us now, and that took time to find. There's one couple out there I hope I am still fucking around with them on my 50th birthday. There are couples that I know if I am stuck on the side of the road with a flat tire, they're going to come help me out. There are people who reach out to me every day just to chat, just to say hi. Nothing overtly sexual, just a, hi, how are you doing today? And I love that. This took time to find though. So here's my advice on connections. Give it time. If you are in this for deep friendships and connections, that shit takes time, man. It takes time for friendships to form in the lifestyle, which is wild. We can get naked, slam our wet genitals together, and then decide after that if we want to see these people again. That never made a whole lot of sense, which leads me to mention that there are different kinds of lifestyle people too, not just play style. We always define our participation through that lens of how we'd like to fuck other people. When I found, I have reflected, I have noticed, there's other lenses. There's other ways to define ourselves. There are different ways that people interact with a lifestyle that is completely independent of their play style. For instance, some people are once a year lifestyle participants. They go to one event or one cruise per year. For the whole time they're there, the only thing on their minds is getting laid as much as possible. Now, you may have images in your head of these people banging three or four couples per day. That could happen. It might happen. What happens though in most cases, here's a dose of truth for everyone is, they might just get laid once or twice that whole week. One or two times. Yeah. Sorry to burst someone's bubble out there. Turns out getting to the sex part is complicated. There's attraction and interest and conversations. It's fucking complicated than people think. No judgment on this crowd. I've been at multi-day events and that last night, last night of the event, if you can't get fucking late at a swinger convention, it is time to have a deep conversation with yourself. We have gotten proposition hardcore at these events, and we're gracious in turning people down, and, you know, still flattered here. These once-a-year people, I get it. They don't want to do anything in the local community. It could be pressure from their vanilla lives, or they just need a little taste, just a little smidgen of excitement. And they're good. They're good for the whole year. Some people really can't eat a single potato chip and be satisfied till next year. Other people are busy every weekend. Others eat the whole damn bag of chips. Different couples, new experiences, they are busy. And I I would never, ever judge anyone for being active, in air quotes, mind I say that, in the lifestyle. If you can get it, get it. As long as it is safe and consensual, I am not here to judge anybody based on what they're doing on the weekends. I find in most cases, the people who go the hardest into this are new. I affectionately to call this a hoe phase or a hoe year because you're about to be a hoe. I know we had one. It's all new and exciting and any attention is good attention. Newbies lack discernment. That's a good word for it. You may not be entirely comfortable with another couple, but lacking perspective on the situation, eh, fuck it, let's just still go with it. If nothing else is going to give you a good story. In my experience after the first year though, most people just fall kind of in the middle. More active than once a year, less active than every weekend. Like we do have lives outside of the lifestyle. The amount of activity falls on a spectrum just like play styles. Some couples can't accommodate fuckery every single week. Others can't. And both of these are fine and everything in the middle is fine. There are no set guidelines that say you have to be the certain level of activity to be a true swinger. And you are not bad at the lifestyle if you don't engage in fuckery often. Confession here. I feel like a bad swinger sometimes because we're not that active or out there sometimes. And I have a fucking podcast about this. I find people in the lifestyle, they do struggle with this. There's a constant push and pull between wanting more and having to stay reserved for reasons. Those reasons could be kids, time, commitments, vanilla life. It happens and I'm telling you it's okay don't feel bad don't carry that burden you and your spouse do and experience a lifestyle as you want as best as you can and i always say the lifestyle is going to be here which means i need to talk about a harsh truth later on adding all these to my outline as i type and tell you these stories are you ready to party in paradise risque lifestyle parties presents pulsify 2025 at the island resort on the sparkling waters of the gulf coast in fort walton beach florida september 26th through the 28th 2025 come for the two-day party that will take hotel takeovers to the next level in one place with many stories and endless fun for you and your sexiest friends spend the day relaxing by the pool with swim up bars evenings on the white sand beach and your nights with the hottest lifestyle djs all in one place rooms now available go to risque lifestyle parties.com for more information when you go out for a wild night you want to be the hero of your own epic story you want to do the kind of things the vanilla world can only dream of you want to set the night on fire stdhero.com has got you covered no matter where your story may go be the ultimate lifestyle hero with STD heroes new ultimate STI testing kit the ultimate hero panel is a comprehensive affordable panel for infections transmitted sexually including anal and oral which can often be symptomless the ultimate test screens for 13 high-risk STIs. 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Be safe out there.
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Be a hero of your own story. Use promo code TOL15 for 15% off your order at stdhero.com in my misadventures through the lifestyle i have been in the company of a lot of dicks so many dicks different sizes of dicks different shapes and yeah just to let you know it's kind of fucking hard to miss the other dick in the room. Two points about dicks to all of the dudes out there. Number one, dick size does not matter and your dick will fail you is number two. Just a reflection here and I want to give you some honesty. Wrestling with a titan of male inadequacy. Dudes, your dick size doesn't matter. If a dude brings up his dick size in a conversation, that most likely didn't really need to involve his pecker if he just wants to drop that in there randomly. Like, oh, hey, we're going to get some fast food. And the dude's like, oh, hey, I have an 8-inch dick. Not relevant. I can tell you right with a fucking bat, he is insecure about his dick size, and then he's going to start exaggerating the size of it. I know. Legit legitimately, I've seen it. I know men who are swinging eight fucking inches between their legs. And oddly, the dudes with the biggest dicks, it never comes up in conversation. What the fuck? It's a dick, y'all. The standard size is between five and six inches. And guess what? That is plenty. I have it on good authority from many women who are honest with me. Five to six inches is plenty of dick. And what's wild is men who are insecure about their dick size are going to fucking argue with me on this, even though women are telling me that five to six inches is good. What the fuck? Some women do prefer big dicks and they're going to have a hard time finding them. Your dick size is fine. On the other end of the spectrum, let me tell you, if you have less than three inches, get good with your tongue. The other truth is your dick is going to fail you. There are certain truths in this world. The sun will rise in the east, water is wet, and your dick is going to fail you. There's a pervasive thought out there in the world that men, a soft breeze can get them hard and ready for action. That men have this magic button on the side of their dicks, and if they press it three times and make a wish, boom, magically hard, and it stays hard for hours. Look, since I've been doing this show, I've had a lot of men come to me to talk about erectile dysfunction. So sharing what I've learned. Dicks don't always work. Dicks don't always work for lots of reasons. But Jason, are you insinuating that vaginas always work? Nope. Vaginas can be temperamental too. Genitals can be fickle bitches. Talking about dicks though. Yeah, erectile dysfunction is real. There are a lot of causes of it. And I plan on having someone on the show later in July who's going to talk more about erectile dysfunction. I also did like two whole episodes about dicks. Dudes, those with penises, your dick is going to fail you at some point. It might be for mental or it might be for physical reasons. Yes, a man can get into his own head so fucking wound up and anxious, no amount of drugs, sucking, pulling, or wishing is going to get blood to go into that organ. It happens, okay? For me, fatigue is a right bitch. I've learned after 3 a.m. I'm useless. I'm done. I'm going to bed. We should have started the fun earlier. There's certainly physical reasons for a pecker not to cooperate. Blood flow issue, cholesterol, hell, medications can impact erections and you never even know it. You know that packet of information you get when you're prescribed a medication, at least here in the States, has a couple pages of information that you immediately throw away? No. Next time, you're prescribed a medication just for funsies. Look at the side effects, because I bet you there are a lot of medications out there that can impact erections and you don't know about it. I have learned the hard way. Even certain over-the-counter medications can just straight up turn off your dick. Lifestyle, that can also be a factor in dick health. And somebody out there needs to hear this. You want better erections? Lose 50 pounds. Simple. You get healthier and your dick's going to work better. Then there's the mental side. Women, ah, women, may not understand this getting into the lifestyle. And I've encountered a fair number of men that this is true. There's a bunch of guys out there who have trouble getting erections with anyone besides their wife, and you think that's wild. Here is this beautiful, receptive woman with a vagina ready for me, and this dude can't get hard. What the fuck? Ha ha ha. Look, I know there are vanilla guys listening to this who just know in their fucking souls. Oh, I wouldn't have that problem. No, there are raging virile specimens of manhood. If given the chance, they would show everyone how strong their dicks are. Yeah, no, sorry, your dick will fail you. Sometimes in a small way, sometimes spectacularly. It happens. I equate it to being a boxer. If you're a boxer, you will get punched in the head when you step into the ring. No matter how fast you think you are, no matter how tough, no matter how good at blocking, you're going to get fucking punched in the head. What matters is what do you do after that punch? I've seen men freak the fuck out when their peckers don't work. They run away. Run. I've seen it. They get mad. I've seen all this happen. I need all the men out there or those with dicks to be ready. Understand what factors contribute to you not performing your best. I know what my trigger is. It's 3 a.m. If it is past that time, we are done. I'm going to sleep. To work around this, because I don't want it to be an issue, we just start the fuckery earlier in the night. There is like literally no rule against having sex during the day. Be ready for this. Get medication to help if you have an issue. If there's a mental issue, get help. Work with your spouse on this. Take baby steps. For newbies, y'all, you know you don't have to jump straight to full swap. If this is your first time, the first time that you jump into this and you go full swap, it could cause some anxiety. Dial it down a tad. Start with soft swap. There's less pressure. And I said I would talk about this and here we fucking go, y'all. Feelings. Glorious, righteous, weird, unsettling, happy, sad, weird. I said weird already. Feelings. Not in the love sense. This is not the feeling of soul connection that you might have with your spouse. The lifestyle will invoke and create new feelings in you though. And giving myself an out and saying, yeah, there are times when people do develop what could be considered romantic feelings. Usually what I've seen when this happens is it happens strangely quickly. It's usually a couple and one of them already subconsciously is looking for a romantic connection with another couple, another person, and they just need someone to fit the puzzle piece they want. I cannot deny this doesn't happen, and it will make life awkward. Not in the good, awkward, that I enjoy kind of way, but in that bad, awkward kind of way. But it is rare. Lots of vanilla people think swinging and they hear what we do and then the message is reinforced by media that all ethical non-monogamy, no matter the flavor, will inevitably lead to cheating and divorce. This is not true. If someone develops romantic feelings for another person in the lifestyle, I believe they were already looking for that and just using the lifestyle as a cover. I could be wrong, just my humble little take here, but they brought this into the lifestyle versus the couple that are already strong and stay strong together. They aren't looking for that, which means they're not going to find it. Sliding that bullshit to the side, back to my original point. I'm tired of people acting like the lifestyle is the sanitized playground of debauchery devoid of emotions. There are couples, like the once-a-year crowd, that may never develop a meaningful connection or feelings for others in the lifestyle. And again, when I say feelings, this is like in the general. Like, I like you as a human being and want to continue interacting with you. That is a feeling. That is a feeling of friendship and connection. It's platonic. It's platonic love. I don't hear this fucking talked about enough. The lifestyle has the potential and will fucking cause weird emotions in people. That could be friendship beyond just a once a month texting and fucking. That could be drama. Fucking drama. Drama is insidious and I am using drama in the most negative connotation possible. Wild tangent about drama. Do not get involved in another couple's drama. Certainly do not get involved in their internal marriage drama. Don't go fucking looking for drama. Some people are natural shit sprinklers slinging shit everywhere. Stay away from them. I feel drama is inevitable in this though. Any congregation of humans has the potential to create drama. No matter how, I mean, four people, 10 people, 100 people, groups, whatever, there's a potential there. Try to avoid it. Back to center. Okay, emotions. I have developed very good and healthy and strong friendships in the lifestyle. I am blessed by the lifestyle to connect with people that I consider genuine lifelong friends because of what we do. And hey, I want that for you too. If that's your thing, I get it, it may not be, but that requires emotions. That requires vulnerabilities beyond being naked in front of people. That's the wild thing. People think being vulnerable is being naked. No, being vulnerable is like actually sharing real stuff about your life. I feel emotions, good emotions for the friends we have made in this lifestyle. And again, it's not romantic, it's platonic. And yes, you can love another couple platonically and still have sex with them. Although, to be fair, I have seen negative emotions in this. And this is why I want to talk about emotions, specifically because for every positive, there's also a negative. There is a balance to the universe. I've seen people get possessive. We've been on the receiving end of that, and that is not fucking cool. Remember, the lifestyle is all about experiences, and no one should ever limit your ability to enjoy yourself by being possessive of you. And the weirdest emotion, the worst emotion, that fucking hydra of jealousy. This one is a scaly bitch because it can take so many forms and requires a Herculean effort to overcome it. Grabbing all the different, all the different heads here. A person could get jealous of how much tension their spouse is getting or get jealous that their spouse had fun with another person. There's jealousy in friend groups. One couple hanging out with another couple too much. There's jealousy in big groups. Another person gets more tension in you. This is a nefarious motherfucker and you will feel it. No matter how little a couple fucks around at some point, that snake bastard is going to bite you. Confessions from me. I'm a dude with a podcast, and I will admit I have felt jealousy in various forms in the lifestyle. It happens. It happens because I am human, and you are human, and we have the capacity for this. And it's okay. The problem with treating the lifestyle, again, like a sanitized playground is when we do feel an emotion, we are fearful of it. We are scared. We bury it or we hide it. Fuck that. Confront your emotions. Confront your emotions with your spouse. Talk through them. Do not hoard your feelings. There is no value in them unless they are shared. And certainly having a set of rules and boundaries, being able to communicate effectively, understanding your emotions and your triggers are going to help. This will require growth, which is the most important lesson I've gained from the lifestyle. I have grown as a person and you will too. No one joins a lifestyle and stays the same. We are constantly evolving in this. Look, your play style is going to evolve. Your outlook is going to evolve. Your social batteries are going to change. When we started every fucking weekend, it was a new party, new date, new adventure, and now I am tired. Honestly, it takes a lot to drag my happy ass out of the house now. Rules will evolve because you will get exposed to new situations. And take, for example, the no kissing rule. It is almost a cliche at this point. New couples join the lifestyle and they set a no kissing rule with other couples. I get it. Kissing is an intimate act that they want to save just for each other. But this is really more of a symbolic gesture. It's a way to carve out physical intimacy within the greater context of, hey, we about to go fuck some other people. I don't know how many people who have a kissing rule, how many of those last after six months. In theory, it sounds great. In practice, not so much. Because thinking through this, okay, we can't kiss, but our genitals will be in each other's mouths, maybe aggressively. There are other examples. I know couples who started as soft swap, they went to full swap, didn't like it, went back to soft swap. The takeaway is that this is your journey, your spouse's journey. Together, it's a journey. There is no right or wrong way to do the lifestyle, and you're going to grow. You'll be facing new challenges, new encounters, and new people. This hobby, though, it must make your marriage stronger. This is the big flashing neon billboard on the edge of the city. It must make your marriage better than it was. I know my marriage is better. We were already good when we started, but the lifestyle took us to great. We communicate better, more honestly, more accurately, so be happy and thankful for it. Don't shy away from the uncomfortable conversations with your spouse, with your friends, with your fuck buddies, because they will help you grow. And finally, as an addendum to all this, I needed to add in, I want to talk about being desensitized and stepping away. And I will admit so many confessions from me in this episode. I will admit all this. I have feelings. My dick doesn't work after 3am and I've become desensitized. If you were in this for a while, it is possible that all the nudities, parties, interactions, they lose their luster. You may want more, that you could be more connections or friendships from people or you lean more into the wild sexy side of it and you want more from your encounters. This revelation of wanting more, it can slap you in the face in the middle of an orgy. This also ties into another aspect that people need to be more comfortable with. Sometimes you have to step away. Sometimes you may need to take time to recenter your marriage or recover from bad encounters or take a step back and reevaluate what you want from the lifestyle. More confessions from me. Stepping away has certainly crossed our mind. Stepping away crosses everyone's mind at some point. When you do think about it, just take a breath. Figure out what is causing you to want to stop. Figure out if stepping back would be good for you. I've talked to people who have been in this for years, people that on the surface appear to be good, in air quotes, at the lifestyle, and they've shared with me that, yeah, they struggle with this just like everyone else. I've decided to study and I cannot find this thing anywhere. I know it existed. Most people only stay in the lifestyle for 18 months. Then they dip out or they take a break. So, you know, if you do want to take a break, you are not alone. The people I know who have been in this for a while, they do take breaks if they need it. And it's also valid if you need to step away for personal reasons. Health, family, job, vanilla stuff, all of that can get in the way. It doesn't mean you're not lifestyle. It doesn't mean you're any less of a swinger. But I can tell you, forcing it can make your feelings towards all this worse. Look, we're still going to be here doing our heathen shit. The tribe of heathens will still be here, and take the time if you need to. The lifestyle will be here no matter if you step away for two weeks, six months, or six years. We're going to keep on partying, keep on fucking, and keep on doing what we do. Never hesitate to step back if you need to. I know there is a worry that you would lose connections if you do. If your friendships and the lifestyle are true friendships, then it doesn't matter if you keep fucking them or not. And it is possible to build connections beyond the fuckery. Thank you for listening to me ramble along today. If you're going to Naughty in New Orleans 2025, I'm going to be there. I will be hanging out with the STD Hero team at the STD Hero booth during the day, and we're just going to be running around like crazy all night long to the parties and the takeovers. I want to meet you. I want to hug you. And I want to tell you that you're awesome for listening to the show. I appreciate all my listeners. I know how special it is that you give me half an hour of your time every week to share my experiences in the lifestyle. I always appreciate hearing your feedback and comments on episodes or suggestions for topics. So feel free to reach out to me at host at that other lifestyle.com. One more my website is that other lifestyle.com personal disclaimer i'm not a medical professional nor a trained and certified educator of any kind in any way i'm a guy with a microphone sharing my personal experiences with you this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and please join us for the next episode remember sti testing is important and it takes a community to make a difference go to stdhero.com and use my promo code TOL15 for 15% off your order. Whatever you may do today, I hope you have a fantastic time doing it. Know that you are appreciated and loved. Have a great day.