RUSSIAN COLLUSION

DNLB

And thanks for all the quotes. Those are awesome to support what I have been saying.

Strozk was the LEAD INVESTIGATOR of the Russia involvement. But wait . . . there needs to be more there . . . when it was a FBI case. Once Mueller took over, shit changed.

So all of those quotes are correct even if they are misleading by omission.

Seriously man . . . stop getting shit from the media. Why not get information from the sources? There is his whole 312 page testimony report that was released. Everything you need to know is in there. You don't have to worry about journalists creating soundbites.

DNLB

This is typical republican speak. Keep saying what you want to be true.

This is exactly what you wrote. "Peter Strzok was the lead investigator in the Mueller team"

How many investigators did Mueller have?
How many investigations did Mueller have?

You keep getting hung up on the phrase "lead investigator." That is NOT the issue. The issue and what changes everything is the use of the word "the" That made everything singular. So again . . . if you would have stated, "Peter Strzok was a lead investigator on the Mueller team" that would have been correct. Until then you are implying that there is one investigation, one lead. English . . . try it. It's fucked, but not as bad as German.

"Greg Craig indicted."

See what happens when you work with Manafort?

So what?

Get over it.

He had no involvement in most of the investigation.

LA Times: "Strzok initially helped lead the bureau's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible complicity by the Trump campaign, which remained secret until after the election."

Washington Post: "The FBI has fired agent Peter Strzok, who helped lead the bureau's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election until ..."

The Guardian: " FBI agent Peter Strzok, who once helped lead the bureau’s investigation into Russian election interference and sent texts disparaging Donald Trump, has been fired by the bureau."

NBC News: "Peter Strzok, the senior FBI official who helped lead the initial probe of ties between Russia and the Trump campaign until it was discovered he sent anti-Trump texts, was fired from the agency on Monday, NBC News has confirmed."

USA Today: "Strzok, who worked for the bureau for 22 years, helped lead the investigations into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election and into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of state."

VOX: "The FBI has fired Peter Strzok, a top agent who had investigated the Trump ... became the lead agent on the bureau's counterespionage team."

CNN: "Strzok played a lead role in the investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server and was involved in the FBI's recommendation that no criminal charges be filed against the former secretary of state. He later helped oversee the beginnings of the probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, and his involvement in both investigations has been seized on by Republicans as evidence of anti-Trump bias in the bureau..."

Why would I say the he was the LEAD AGENT? It's pretty simple, he was.

Again, you've attempted to change what I said to reflect something that I didn't mean so you can say I was wrong.

I did not say ONLY, I said LEAD, as in head of, not ONLY. He was the LEAD agent in the beginning of the Mueller special counsel investigation until he was fired. You're still wrong, admit it and move on.

Greg Craig indicted.

OK DNLB

Here we go again with assumptions. Have you read the order given to Mueller from Rosentstein? Do you know what Mueller was told to look at? See, you assume it went like this:

Hey Bob, this is Rod. Hey, I need to you to check out Trump's campaign with Russia. I am gonna type up the official document. You good? Ok, go.

It was NOT that.

Trump was NOT the target.

The order is 3915-2017. It states, Appointment of Special Counsel to investigate Russian Interference with the 2016 Presidential Election and Related matters.

There ya go.

Now you can see why Strozk was touched. He was at the FBI and was supervising the team looking into the Russia affair. His boss was . . . . Comey. Comey opened the case and assigned Strozk. So Mueller talks to Strozk and probably a fuck ton of other people. Starts to build his team and realizes what he needs.

Then the rest goes as I quoted from the 312 page report.

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But let's go back to reading. I can read. I can comprehend what is written. Can you write correctly?

Is there a difference between he was the lead agent for Mueller vs. he was the lead agent for Russia interference for Mueller vs. he was an agent that Mueller used.

Because what you are writing and trying to paint is that Strozk was THE ONLY ONE. You keep speaking in absolutes! That was not the case.

As usual with conservatives, it is all about the distraction.

Who cares that Strzok was or was not the lead investigator or agent or chief cook and bottle washer?

It was a year and a half ago.

The great majority of the time he didn't work for the OSC. Page didn't work for Mueller at all.

Let's quit trying to deflect and talk about the 200 charges, or that 5 people who were intimately involved with the Trump campaign are facing jail time.

But of course, Trump is such a great businessman that he didn't know any of his people were dirty...

I admit it, I was wrong. Paring it down to the two words "LEAD AGENT" wasn't enough to show you what I meant when I said he was the "LEAD AGENT". It's not that I can't communicate, so it must be your reading comprehension. I don't give two shits if the Mueller investigation team had hundreds of people who researched the mating habits of bi-valves, the focus of the special counsel, the reason for it's formation was to investigate the possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

Peter Strzok, Deputy Assistant Director of the Counterintelligence Division, lead Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation into any links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government.

It's not my opinion, it's a matter of factual record. You may argue about tax fraud and turncoat lawyers and anything else that you want to attempt to obfuscate that fact, but you are wrong. Fucking look it up.

I suspect you will continue to be wrong, you've got a lot of practice.

I ain't selling. He ain't buying.

I am stating facts. Try it, you might like it.

erotica, a good salesman knows when to stop talking or talk less. Or they lose the sale. Try it you may like it?

DNL

Closer, but you are still missing it. You can't seem to let this one point go.

He was not THE lead agent for Mueller.

Here, let me try this for you. Take a piece of paper and a pencil. In the center of the paper, put Mueller's name. At the very bottom of the paper, put Russian collusion. Now in between that, put Strzok's name. Now draw a line from Strzok up and then a line from Strozok down connecting the two topics. You then could say that Strzok is the lead, it makes sense. Now put in campaign issues to the right. Put in money laundering to the top. Put in inauguration issues to the left. You know, the other things that Mueller investigated. What you keep writing and implying is that Strozk was in charge of ALL OF IT. He was not. I mentioned before, that there was roughly a dozen other prosecutors that Mueller employed. Each of them had their focus. And the focus was NOT strictly what Strozk did for the FBI.

I am not sure that this was a waste. There are two reasons why. First and foremost, it's not over. Secondly, even if it ends with Trump smelling like a rose (doubtful) it had value. It either vindicated him or it didn't. It was the checks and balances needed to keep shit legit. Considering that the forfeitures from Manafort alone may pay for all of it, not bad.

But see, if that is what you think is a waste, what about Trey Gowdy. How many Benghazi hearings do we need? How many times do we need to keep going back to Clinton. Jesus fucking christ. That is wasteful. Gonna complain about that expense?

Any way that you want it to be, maybe the same way that the Steele dossier influenced it, who the fuck knows?

The entire discussion was responding to the inference that the Mueller investigation was made up of Republicans and they soft-peddled the entire thing, I disagreed. I still do. It was a fishing expedition that ended up with bagging a couple of squirrels and a pigeon, but no fish. I would feel the same way had they spent the time & energy on Obama's birth certificate and came up empty. It's political bullshit and it costs our country billion$ in wasted and misdirected time & energy. I'm fucking around with this today instead of making money!

But he was there at the beginning for five months of a two year investigation.

How is that relevant to the final conclusions?

AHHHH!! I SEE THE PROBLEM! I can resolve this:

“lead agent” in the special counsel investigation and that he was involved with making decisions and supervising others"

I get it, there were too many words there, now, focus on the part of the sentence: “lead agent” in the special counsel investigation". The special counsel investigation headed by one Bob Mueller, the subject of your endless arguing. The special counsel investigation that has distracted our nation for nearly 2 years. That one. The “lead agent” in the special counsel investigation.

He was the “lead agent” in the special counsel investigation. That's what I said.

Fuck.

Poor Democrat, Liberal, Socialist can't get over Hillary, now can't get over MUELLER report another failure. SHIT HAPPENS.

AND DNL . . .

Read the 312 page transcript of Strozk's interview that was 'leaked'

Page 30 - July 16 - put on case to check if Clinton's email server had confidential information and to see if it came from Russia.
Page 33 - He was ASSIGNED to the investigation (Mueller) in July 17. Assigned because of discussion between FBI, Mueller and Mueller's staff.
Page 37 - that info from FBI case was handed over to Mueller.
Page 37 - "my analogy is, you know, kind of, in the conduct of a criminal investigation, there comes a point where the agent's role lowers and the attorney's role rises, that the special agent -- or that the special counsel's office and the attorneys were in more of a leadership role on that process."

I'd keep reading . . .

Remember, this was not supposed to be released . . . but Doug Collins, Republican from Georgia felt it was in the best interest of the country. Hmm. I wonder if Mr. Collins feels the same about Mueller's report?

I am not sure if English sentence construction is something you are not understanding.

This is what you wrote, " "Peter Strzok was the lead investigator in the Mueller team until he was fired for blatantly demonstrating that his politics overrode his professionalism.""

You are stating that what HE did FOR Mueller. That is where you are wrong. HE was the lead investigator for the FBI on the Russia Collusion case. The Russian Collusion case that the FBI had is NOT the same that Mueller worked on. They are not one and the same. That is the disconnect you seem to keep having.

Mueller's group had roughly a dozen attorneys. They employed investigators, they employed the work of grand juries, they employed the work of interrogators, they employed the work of a lot of people. There is but one lead investigator in Mueller's group and that is Mueller himself.

I do not know what happened to the case that the FBI was working on once Mueller came on board. Remember, Mueller comes from DOJ, not FBI or CIA. So who knows who Mueller used to learn more from after Strozk came and left.

You seem to have a cause and effect understanding issue. You also like tying things together that are separate. I think that if you were to look at this situation in steps, you might see it clearer. Go from A to B, not A to G. Those steps in between make a huge difference :)

I said he was the lead investigator until he was fired, as he testified before Congress. It's really silly to argue incessantly using the "you're not liberal so you can't know anything" stance.

But Strzok has been gone for well over a year...

That was a lot of words to not answer the question...

@Erotic: From The Washington Examiner March 14, 2019-

"Strzok served in the special counsel’s office from late May 2017 until he was removed by Mueller in early August 2017. Strzok testified that he was a “senior leader” in the Russia investigation and a “lead agent” in the special counsel investigation and that he was involved with making decisions and supervising others.

Strzok acknowledged being involved in taking actions and making decisions regarding the gathering or collecting of evidence or information for the Russia investigation. But when asked if he was the one who opened the FBI's Russia investigation, Strzok told the committee that he “can’t answer that in an unclassified setting.”

Strzok said he joined the special counsel investigation “in late spring of 2017," just a few weeks after Mueller had been appointed as special counsel. Strzok was still leading the FBI's Russia investigation at the time."

"LEAD AGENT".

I can do this all day.

"If the present evidence against Trump and his cronies were instead against Hillary, Bill, or Barack, do you think DNLB, perfect and the rest would be approaching it in the same manner?"

I think we're going to find out pretty quickly. Barr seemed pretty confident when he testified yesterday that there was spying on the Trump campaign and the real question is whether it was done legally.

Again, there hasn't been a single indictment for anyone for collusion with the Russians or obstruction of justice regarding the Mueller investigation. A lot of collateral damage, a lot of wrangling for cooperation revealed only that Russians attempted to get involved, lawyers are whores and even an intelligent person can get get twisted by a congressional interrogation. Nothing that related to the intent of the investigation, but now they get to answer the questions about justifying the FISA warrants to begin with. This may get a lot more interesting.

erotica, "the military didn't try to push trump out. Last I checked . . . nothing illegal was done." You are deaf, dumb and blind.