THE WALL

Me, you & EA need our own thread anyway.

Maybe we need a new thread?

“you have convinced me. We need a flat tax, to catch all the cash workers.”

What kind of a flat tax?

“A really really really good paying job here is $25.00. Now take taxes out of that.”

Well assuming 40 hours a week. Just in the Federal you’re looking at $13,000 a year.

Break that down by the hour. Nets about $18.75 per hour

That really ain’t killin it. But it’s a lot better than $14.00 an hour cash. And it’s a tax payer on the scrolls. No?

Ah... Venezuela.... the socialist dreamscape. Went from the 4th wealthiest nation in the world to one of the poorest in about one generation. I reckon they will take whatever they can get.

@Marion

"You are painting with a wide ass brush"

Yes.

You are.

You are using that anecdotal situation to describe something NOT based on a national reality. While your situation is REAL, it doesn't seem to be the majority. As an example, what is happening with Venezuelans RIGHT NOW? They can cross, illegally, claim asylum and get a work permit. It may not be instaneous, but that asylum status changes things.

@one: you have convinced me. We need a flat tax, to catch all the cash workers. Then everyone pays into the system.

Also, geography plays a big part of that $14.00/hr. Locally that's not bad. A really really really good paying job here is $25.00. Now take taxes out of that.

“I know plenty people here that would gladly work for 14.00 an hour. Only problem is that there are very very few jobs that pay that well for the average worker”

That is why your state is one of the biggest suckers of the government tit every year.

That is why your state hosts two of the top ten cities for murder per capita in the US.

That is why we (the government) paid your medical expenses to put stints in your heart.

Great argument.

This statement this is assuming that the employer paying this $14.00 an hour job is not doing an I-9 on the person getting the $14.00.

That being said.

There is zero dollars being collected in taxes or Social Security, or Medicare.

This is costing every person who pays taxes, social security and Medicare. We pay more because they pay nothing. Where is your fiscal responsibility, conservatism, or whatever you want or call it?

“You are trying to argue economics. I'm arguing immigration. Start an economics thread if you want, but that $14.00/hr cash job needs to be filled with a U.S. citizen in any thread.”

That is the problem. An American does not want to work for $14.00 an hour. You cannot survive on that. Or if you are surviving. You’re not thriving and advancing yourself.

“Idk who does your taxes, but 24.00/hr - taxes is 14-16 an hour depending on what state you live in.”

Dude, do a reality check. Seriously. There is no need to continue this conversation if you believe your statement.

You be you

I know plenty people here that would gladly work for 14.00 an hour. Only problem is that there are very very few jobs that pay that well for the average worker besides the drilling industry, and that is damn near at a stand still.

Mickey

Idk who does your taxes, but 24.00/hr - taxes is 14-16 an hour depending on what state you live in. Of course if your paying union dues out of that & also paying any applicable city taxes that some municipalities charge... your down around the $12.00 mark. All this depends on where you live.

Also, your the one moving the goal posts. I want the couple happy and fat in their native country. That's the point of my thread. You are trying to argue economics. I'm arguing immigration. Start an economics thread if you want, but that $14.00/hr cash job needs to be filled with a U.S. citizen in any thread.

“Seems like they'd be doing ok in my made up world.”

Your just adding more projection. You’re assuming the kid is living at home. I was not assuming his parents were not carrying him. I asked what happens if they are not. You got the kid married and his wife is at Wally World.

All projecting and dancing.

But a fact is. Anyone, single or married making $24.00 an hour on the books. Nets more than $14.00 an hour. You’re smoking some wild shit. Thinking a 50k a year job nets 30k.

Whoa there big fella. You are painting with a wide ass brush. 19 YO making $14.00 an hour is probably living at home. You assumed he's not. You assumed he isn't on his parents insurance. You assumed they didn't have insurance. You assumed he'd be hospitalized.... and you may have assumed correctly.. but if all your assumptions are right, at least I'll be paying for a U.S. CITIZEN and not an illegal immigrant. Also, that $14.00 / hour job is the one a young man needs to build work history in order to get a better job with benefits. Leaving his cash job open for the next young man learning about life. Also.... if we're just making shit up. Maybe that 19 YO working for cash ($14.00/hr is about like $24.00 before taxes) is married to a nice young lady who works at Walmart. Seems like they'd be doing ok in my made up world.

@MC, “my point was, if they were in whatever point of origin they belong, some 19 yo kid could be learning a trade @ $14.00 an hour & I wouldn't be paying their medical bills.”

Lmfao

You’re projecting that you wouldn’t be paying his medical bills.

What happens if he breaks his leg while working? I can’t imagine that his employer is paying workers comp insurance if he’s paying his help cash.

You’re assuming this 19 yo kids parents are carrying him in their insurance. What happens if they don’t have insurance? What happens if he gets a respiratory infection that requires hospitalization? I can’t imagine an employer who is paying his employees in cash if offering health insurance. If he’s making $14.00 in cash. He most likely cannot afford health insurance in his own.

Foolish assumptions and projection in your part.

@one: my point was, if they were in whatever point of origin they belong, some 19 yo kid could be learning a trade @ $14.00 an hour & I wouldn't be paying their medical bills.

“$14.00 cash ain't bad. I know lots of single guys who do really good at that rate. ”

This ain’t a single guy. It is a family of at least three.

@one: $14.00 cash ain't bad. I know lots of single guys who do really good at that rate. (good guess BTW, that's about right for cash jobs in my area) so, yeah.. they can scratch out a living on that. But that's it. Meanwhile the taxpayer foots the bill for their kids education. We all pay their kids insurance & we all pay for their hospital bills. If she hits another vehicle we will all pay for it to be fixed.

Sounds like a great deal , huh?

Google for
Profile of the Unauthorized Population:
United States

“I run her name & DOB. Multiple warrants (misdemeanor) for all the same shit. FTA for no tag x3, no license x3 no insurance x3….”

“…The husband works for cash for a contractor….. the wife does all the driving so if someone goes to jail, it's not the bread winner. The car was bought at a "but here - pay here" lot & did I mention it had two donut spares on the back? Yeah, absolutely no maintenance on the vehicle. Apparently the last one got repo'd, because they'd never made the first payment.”

“So, EA.... are these the cornerstones of industry that you are referring to? Because between the non taxable income, no vehicle taxes paid, free lunch kid & thousands of dollars in unpaid fines... I don't see the advantage of having them X 1mm”

So who the fuck else is going to work for the contractor who does not pay enough so the family can afford a car with four decent tires, a little maintenance, insurance, and having to resort to a “buy here pay here” lending. No fucking American is going to do that.

Anyone willing can be employed for $14.00 an hour can have a job the same day. BFD. They cannot live on $14.00 an hour. We have to rely on people wanting to take a chance to better their lives.

You think driving a pice of shit car, worried if it’s going to kill you or your family with a threat of going to jail for driving it illegally is a persons dream? Yeah. That’s why they come to this country? WTF.

A new law is working through the Texas house . Illegal immigrants ,if you transport or take care of them , give them shelter …….Mandatory. 10 years . They are concerned about churches and charity organizations .But they say the illegal immigrants are breaking the law and you are an accessory to their crime. Ten years . Don’t know where this law will go. ….

I think that your wrong. We are talking apples and oranges. Illegals don't pay taxes the way immigrants pay taxes lemme play EA for a minute.

I stopped a car yesterday for a routine traffic violation. No tag, driving 15 in a 40, failing to maintain the lane. Once I lit the car up, we drove another 300Y with me intermittently bumping the wailer. We finally came to a stop in front of what I assume was her residence. As I exited my truck, a male and a child exited the trailer and he (the male) started walking (with purpose) towards me & the stopped vehicle. I instructed him (in Spanish) to stop and stay back, after English failed to get a reaction. They both stopped. I approached the car and a 25-ish YO female was the only occupant. I asked her for her license. Blank stare.... I turn on my universal translator (Google translate) and start the long and taxing process of asking questions I already know the answer to.

Guess what. No English, to tag, no insurance, no license, no job. (Yes we ask everyone where they work, they can chose not to answer, but it's telling). I run her name & DOB. Multiple warrants (misdemeanor) for all the same shit. FTA for no tag x3, no license x3 no insurance x3. But, we're at capacity & not arresting on principle unless it's a felony or an asshole. I write her x3 and tell her to get her vehicle off the road or I'll tow it.

Long story short, I call the chief of the municipality and he knows them. The husband works for cash for a contractor. The kid goes to school locally & the wife does all the driving so if someone goes to jail, it's not the bread winner. The car was bought at a "but here - pay here" lot & did I mention it had two donut spares on the back? Yeah, absolutely no maintenance on the vehicle. Apparently the last one got repo'd, because they'd never made the first payment.

So, EA.... are these the cornerstones of industry that you are referring to? Because between the non taxable income, no vehicle taxes paid, free lunch kid & thousands of dollars in unpaid fines... I don't see the advantage of having them X 1mm

@Marion

I am not sure what all the laws are. I don't think there is just one. That is above my paygrade to know all of them :)

But letting you know . . .

Again . . . this is a stupid idea.

You will piss a LOT of farmers off.

You will piss a LOT of construction companies off.

You will piss a LOT of service industries off.

You will piss a LOT of food processors off.

You will also piss off someone you didn't think of, BIG Business. Those H1B's let immigrants in.

Again, this is why I keep saying, it is a LOT more complex and nuanced than I think you and @2out are thinking.

2out, they say these people are getting 2200 a month on a card that is fully re loaded every month by the UN.