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sugars2 well if its true...

What you wrote implied that people living in mobile homes in the desert are idiots.
It's what you liberals always do.
Let a conservative write something that could be construed as offensive and all hell breaks loose.
But you liberals write it and people are just reading stuff into what you write.
Such hypocritical shit.

LOL name one industry that is more regulated then the health insurance industry before Obamacare.

You are so full of shit there is no individual policy that covers you in multiple states. He would have had to buy a policy in Florida and one in California. Health insurance at this time does not travel over state lines. The Republican's have been trying to make this happen for years to lower to cost of health insurance.

Health insurance is state centered, state controlled industry. Only group coverage covers across state lines. Individual coverage you are either in the state network or out of the state network.

Read what I wrote, not what you wanted to read. I never said there was anything wrong with living in a mobile home in the desert.

So tell me what is wrong with living in a trailer in the desert? Pleas clarify?

Ok try it again . . .

The insurance companies are NOT the most regulated. So just remove that shit thought.

Insurance companies offer products.

As I mentioned he had the TOP LINE fucking product. It was a go anywhere, covered for anything type plan. It was $2500. It was not that high based on his 'genetics' or previous history. It was that high based upon FEATURES. I know this is a hard concept to understand, but people do pay more for features. When you spend 5 months and 29 days a year in California and 6 months and 1 day in Florida, you kinda need a plan that can work ANYWHERE with no questions asked. I know this is a hard concept to understand for those that live in a mobile home in the desert, but those with a very high net worth tend to have multiple residences.

Here . . . let me fuck with your head some more. His car insurance? It was a pool. He had 500k of car value, regardless of the cars and the location.

Lung cancer is not curable at this time. Doctors rape the insurance companies with unnecessary tests at every opportunity. Insurance premiums before Obamacare had nothing to do with income and everything to do with risk of illness.
You obsession with this guys net wealth means nothing to the insurance company. Health insurance companies have been the most regulated companies in America for the last forty years. It is against the law to charge a premium based on income before Obamaacre.

No dumbass.

Small cell moves very fast but dies very fast. So you scan every month. You can see if the treatment worked and if not, tweak.

The rest of your argument is idiotic. Everyone eventually dies. Life is NOT curable.

People with small cell have survived beyond five years. Most die.

It was 2003 when he was paying 2500 a month. No his family does not have cancer history. I don't think you comprehended when I said his net worth was 8 digits. He was not on the Forbes 400, but he would have made the Forbes 1000. He could do whatever the fuck he wanted with his money. If you think that a scan every month is a waste, great, keep thinking it. His oncologist as well as the best at UCLA felt it was wise. If you think that his money didn't get the best of the best you are mistaken.

Erotic a scan once every month or six months or a year for small cell lung cancer is a waste of money. The scan does nothing. Its just the doctor trying to rip of the insurance company for unnecessary tests. This is how doctors cover the loses they incur at the ER and from Medicaid and Medicare.

Lung cancer is not curable at this time no matter what form you have.

If he was paying 2,500 a month before Obamacare he was paying for being a cancer risk so it must run in his family with bad genes. The whole family gets lung cancer at a certain age.

Life is not curable.

So what is your point?

I mentioned the 5 year survival rate. It is a lot better than esophageal. I think the survival rate is less than 10% at one year.

But keep trying . . .

You can't debunk ANYTHING that I mentioned. Keep going with that ad hominen attacks. I will keep laughing at how ignorant you are.

Erotic you are full of shit. Stop making things up. Small cell lung cancer is on of the worst cancers and like almost all lung cancers is not curable. Does not matter how much anyone pays out, its not curable. Yet

The whole liberal lie about child mortality is just a stat game. Only in America do we count babies born dead or who die in the first year as part of our infant and child mortality. The rest of the world does not count a baby as alive until they reach one year of age.

America has the best life expectancy in the world if we do as the rest of the world does and count only babies that reach one year of age.

All you Democrats do is lie and lie and lie. You must go to liar training when you register as a Democrat and have to take advanced course in lying to keep getting your government checks.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

That is all I have to say about that.

Bandwidth is a terrible thing to waste.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Ok here we go again with false statements.

Go to fox news. I know . . . your bible. There is an article - opinion - from a conservative woman. She lost her infant. The article talks about infant mortality. Her research shows that the US has the highest infant mortality rate of developed countries.

Our country has rationed healthcare as well. Insurance companies, with the profit motive, are the ones who dictate when you get treatment, who will treat you and where they will treat you. They can easily reject. Here, want a true story . . . my mentor was worth 8 digits. He got small cell lung cancer. He had Blue Cross and at the time, was paying 2500 a month for it. It was beyond the cadillac of plans. If you know anything about small cell lung cancer, it is not operable and it grows very fast. Because of that growing fast, it dies fast. At the time, the average survival rate after diagnosis was about 6 months and the 5 year was 20%. So people died fast or the 20% made it to 5 years. Want to know how Blue Shield handles scans? You get one every 6 months. Think about that. This cancer moves very fast and reacts to treatments very fast. But if you only scan once every 6 months, well, you just went from something small to something everywhere and go home and die. I spent a lot of time arguing and fighting and got them to pay for scans every other month. He wrote a check for the months that Blue Cross didn't. Because of this, he didn't make it to 5 years, but he did make it to 2.5 years. So yes, we already have rationing.

You are missing a VERY big picture because you are looking at TAXES and saying, well, they pay more in taxes there, therefore it is bad deal. Weren't you bitching in this thread about the premiums you pay? I know that FLIP was stating his ex is paying 8400 a year in premiums plus out of pocket. Do you actually think that the taxes you pay (assuming you do) plus the premium is LESS than it would be if it were taxed and we had a national system? I don't. My basis is math. We already have the highest cost per capita. These NHS style countries have a cost per capita that is 1/2 to 2/3rd of ours.

But wait, there would be even more benefits. Personal bankruptcies would be cut in 2/3rd. Yes, medical is the major reason for personal bankruptcies. It was even that way during the 'great recession' that Obama inherited. Wouldn't that be better for the economy and lower costs?

And here is where it gets EVEN funnier. The residents that this would help the most are all in RED states! Here are the top states in order for PBK's.

Alabama, Tennesse, Georgia, Illinois, Mississippi, Utah, Indiana, Arkansas, Kentrucky, Ohio, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, Wisconsin, New Jersey, Maryland, Louisiana, Virginia, Delaware, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, Idaho, Oregon, Arizona, Florida, To put the ratio out there, nearly 3:1 more in Alabama than Florida.

Erotic the utopia that you are preaching does not work. Look at the massive taxes that the people in Europe have to pay for the government healthcare. Look at the taxes in Canada. All government run healthcare systems anywhere in the world is rationed care. Run worst then Kaiser with third world doctors let into the countries because they agree to practice medicine for cheap in exchange for not having to worry about being shot in the next tribal war.

Do you know that in Europe that after someone reaches a certain age, around 65 in most countries , that the elderly over that age get no medical treatment at all. They are just sent home with happy pills until they die?

Premature babies are allowed to die, and kids born with genetic diseases don't get treated and are allowed to die. This is the utopia of government medicine in the world

Ok, now we are getting some where. You are actually responding with some moments of sense.

Who pays for the 'free' healthcare? Technically, if you want one answer, it is everyone. Here, let me turn this around and ask you a similar question. Who pays for merchandise that is stolen from Macy's? The answer is everyone. Now how to define that.

The provider will figure out a loss ratio. In essence for every $1 of revenue how much is non-collectible. Now remember what Bush did to BK laws! It was very important and was a way to protect healthcare providers. But that must have slipped your mind. So if the provider expects 25% to be non-collectible, they mark up the $1 to reflect it along with a cushion. No different than Macy's does. Now you have higher prices.

So let me blow your mind . . .

One of the things that the ACA did and why it was wanted to was to lower as much as possible that non-collectible amount. That lowered the bills that the providers offered. I know . . . amazing . . . a conservative group thought about that! That was the concept behind the mandate. While it didn't lower costs it created a delta between what it was and what it was projected to be. That delta was the savings. In other words, instead of increasing 15% per year, it went up 9% per year.

But if you really want to reduce the costs and not worry about that shit - go to a NHS system.

I have been saying this for over 20 years. Want to be pro-business? Take healthcare away from the employer. Let the employer employee and run the business. Do not force the employer to be in the health business. Right now, the government has shifted the burden of the health of people to employers. Those that are not employed are taken by the government. Employers should fight back and shift that burden back to the government.

This is a point that I have never understood why conservatives/libertarians do not embrace. You have no concern other than what you do, not what the government tells you. If the government handled healthcare, you would have higher employee productivity. Why? Because they don't have to worry about the $40-60 copay and are more apt to go when they are sick. It becomes more preventive than reactive when the person is really fucking sick.

The rest of the stuff I listed in that last post is not bullshit. Those are things that the ACA put in place.

Don't equate healthcare being regulated to the same as insurance companies. The level of regulation is a lot less for the insurance company. The fact that republicans also believe in starving the beast means they never want to hire regulators or prosecutors.

Some Obamacare is not dead, Obamcare is a wreaking ball destroying medicine in America. So many companies are dying, the big health insurance
companies are almost all dead and gone.
The employer mandate is in full force with small franchise business being destroyed by the hundreds every day.

Many small business owners are forced to lie on the income tax returns to lower the income below that 90k Obamacare threshold or they go out of businesses paying for the Obamcare premiums.

Obamacare is alive and destroying medicine as intended.

You uneducated ignorant communist liberal. Erotic I challenge you to answer this question time and time again yet like a communist liberal that you are you refuse WHY?
QUESTION Who pays for all the free care at the ER?

To answer your last post. Insurance is not about someone getting sick and then buying insurance to pay for their treatment. Insurance is for responsible people like us who pay into a pool over time while we are healthy and then take money out of that pool to pay our medical bills if we get sick. We have been paying health insurance premiums for fifty years and for the first time we will have no health issuance because of Obamacare. We have only used health insurance to have babies.

People born with preexisting conditions go into the state high risk pool that every state has.

Health insurance companies are the most regulated companies in the world most of the rest of what you said is compete bullshit.

Recession of a policy can only happen if the applicant lied,. Not putting on the application that you have cancer for example, this is very common.

Medicare is just another fucked up Democratic law that steals money from the working people and give it to the parasite class. SSI is broke right now and is took 8 billion in tax dollars this year to prop it up. Medicare is broke in a few years. Then the young adults who are working are going to have to become real honest to goodness slaves paying most of their income to the grey haired parasites that lie like kings off of the hard work of other people.

Democrats are now trying to make America's young adults into permanent children. If kids can vote at 18 and be drafted at 18 then they are considered adults and should be treated as adults. They should buy their own health insurance. People never bought health insurance until after the age of 30 anyway unless they got covered by their job.

Erotic this shows you have never had a business and know nothing about running a business. Insurance companies have expenses like employee salaries that have to be paid with that premium money. Do you know how many honest hardworking Americans lost their jobs in the health insurance industry because of Obamacare? Do you communists even care who you destroy is your quest for a free ride though life?

The funniest things are the polls that query people about Obamacare/AHA.

If the poll asks if you like obamacare the answer is 50/50 yes/no.
If the poll asks about features of obamacare the answer is 80/20 yes/no.

I would really like to hear how Republicans can spin the following points:

Allow insurance sellers to not sell for pre-existing conditions. Remember, these are not pre-existing conditions such as cancer, this is a cold when you were 8 and did not put on the application.

Allow insurance sellers to sell products, catastrophic, that has zero intention of paying out because of the pre-existing condition.

No lifetime limits

Closing the Medicare D doughnut hole.

Letting kids up to 25 stay on parents plan

Stop insurance companies from rescission.

Forced insurance companies to spend 85% of revenue on care. If they don't they have to refund the difference to the members.

What would be a better statistic is how many of those 11 million receive some kind subsidy from the government.

Someonescoming 2017-20M new enrollments, 2018-11M...people love AHA and wont let go.no matter how hard you try it has become like SS and Medicare..LOL

I've dealt with the guy for years.

Long before he was suspended for stealing pictures.

The guy is delusional. The most delusional take a true statement and riff off into the stratosphere. That's what he does.

The thing with delusional people is you can get them to acknowledge reality, but then 5 minutes later they are back to their delusions. One gets tired of the same nonsense over and over.

I used to have the same idea. I never blocked anyone. I still don't like to do it, but he is one of my few exceptions.

Erotic you have no clue who the FK pays for all the free care at the ER???? Answer this question.

@TBR

What is dangerous is that sometimes he is realllllllly close to being accurate. That is what is driving me bonkers.

As far as blocking. On all the sites, I have never blocked anyone. Don't care to.

You act astonished that Nutcal is wrong.

He is always wrong.

All day, every day.

Why you haven't blocked him yet has astonished everyone here.