Illegals

GOODENUFF

The entertainment value had run its course. I was pretty much done.

I actually appreciated your input. It extended the game.

Oops, sorry DB.

Next time I won't chime in whilst you are in a discussion with EA.

Why is it important? Well, I consider myself to be pretty good at figuring people out. I may not be right, but I figure EA's pretty good at using 2,364 (maybe it's 2,365, I gotta check the numbers again) words to say what can be said in 25 and...

It's important to EA to prove EA's not wrong. TBH, at this point I forget what he's trying to prove he's not wrong about. I think it started out with something to do about fried chicken and waffles being racist. Or maybe it was grits and watermelon...? Fuck, I don't know.

Anyway, I foolishly entered the convo when the discussion was about a SSN being required for a MN DL, and here we are. At Target. Being sued. Because someone got pregnant by fucking a computer.

The important thing is the whole damn Forum got a contact high after Flip chimed in.

BRB- My pizza's getting cold.

2MUCHFUN

It matters not one bit.

But knowing that EROTICAMAZON will ALWAYS go to the n'th degree to prove to the world that he is right about everything, making him chase down rabbit holes and do all kinds of research to try and prove a point is kind of like getting a cat to chase after a laser pointer.

But after a while the entertainment value kind of runs out.

Lmao @ good

@2much

Civic responsibility?

Interesting concept :)

My only question is why this is important to anyone. :)

@Good

Again . . .

State department talking to state department.

I think this is the concept that you and others are not grasping. You think that everything about you has to be in ONE system It does not. I just need a key field that I can then hit the other system with and extract all the data that they have on you in that system.

Here is a weird way of explaining this. I think it was close to 20 years ago a parent sued Target for sending his under 18 daughter coupons for pregnancy related items. He was fuming and pissed. Target didn't know that she was pregnant because she said she was. No, they had enough data from their POS systems that tracked her via the loyalty card to determine roughly where she was in her pregnancy and to 'target' no pun intended with ads related to items that would be appropriate to purchase at that time. The guy had egg on his face. She was pregnant. You may think that she suddenly bought a book, 1001 Baby Names or she bought a baby car seat. No, it was different. It is a really cool thing to learn :)

forbes. com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/?sh=43e270196668

So back to the race situation. It may not be on your copy of the birth certificate. I just grabbed mine from Florida. Yes, it is an ORIGINAL, not redone one. It shows that my parents were white. I then looked at the 'replicated' one for my kid, and it does not show that. That means that the data was stored and that the race issue was found to not be relevant for PROVING a live birth to people that require birth certificates. Again, though, it doesn't mean that the data is not stored, in a database, somewhere, run by the state and that it is not accessible by other state agencies. In fact, wanna bet that the data is stored and accessed by other agencies? I bet the cops have access to it. You would want to make sure that if you are going after Charles Smith and there are 2 of them, that you get the right race. I wonder what system the cops interface with?

Is it the same as it is now?

Don't answer if you don't feel comfortable. We'll understand.

Y'all have me checking all my IDs lol. Birth cert from NJ has my sex listed.

"They retain digital images of birth certificates."

"They" are the MN DMV.

The MN DMV DOES NOT have the worksheet for completing the Birth Certificate- a partial of that was in what you posted. Note that may or may not be what the MNDOH used over 50 years ago. The worksheet goes to the MNDOH. The DMV only has, in my case, the certified birth certificate that I presented to them. They scanned it- made a digital image- I watched them do it.

No where on the digital copy of the certified birth certificate that the MNDMV has for me is a race mentioned.

I have the actual, certified birth certificate in front of me as I type.

Another rabbit hole...?

Have fun.
I'll be back.

@TBR

To be as snarky . . .

No it is not in a SQL database.

It's stored in MongoDB.

/end sarcasm

You and I both know that data storage is friggin cheap.

@One

Again, another 15 seconds of wasted time looking at what is gathered at birth :)

health.state.mn. us/data/mchs/pubs/vitalsigns/docs/vitalsigns_13_01r2.pdf

You and DB might want to take TBR's argument at least :) His argument is that sharing data between departments is not as easy as I am professing. Then I can just argue that I am staying at the state level between departments, not the scenario he has with 939 INDEPENDENT districts feeding up to the state.

I just looked, and my birth certificate does not have my ethnicity on it either...

"They retain digital images of birth certificates."

That's nice.

Is all the data in a SQL database so it can be queried?

BTW, I am not a deaf, black, Jewish woman, nor am I a registered Republican.

"Data" people who write codes to target people for, whatever, got some pretty fucked up systems out there. Must get paid by the number of names on the list.

Interesting. I just looked at my [State of Minnesota] Certified Birth Certificate, the one I used to upgrade my DL to an enhanced DL.

Nowhere on the certified birth certificate used to obtain my enhanced MN DL is a race noted. But since you like long posts...

I'm special. :-)

My original birth certificate stated my first name was "Boy". All of my siblings had names on their original birth certificates. Seems my parents didn't have a name selected when I was born. Must have been some kind of argument because everyone else in my family (aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.) has a first name that is common in my family. I'm an "original", no one else in my family tree has my first name as either a first or middle name.

So, in order to get a certified birth certificate, which requires a name, I had to go to the church I was baptized, get a copy of my original baptismal certificate, which had my name and then go through a process to have the name on my birth certificate changed. No race mentioned on the Baptismal certificate either.

Nope, pretty sure the MN DMV has no record of my race.

To complicate shit even more for you- I'm also a Canadian citizen. How aboot that, eh?

Look, another rabbit hole...

@Good

This took all of 120 seconds to find.

revisor.mn. gov/statutes/cite/171.12

They retain digital images of birth certificates. They have the data.

------

Now you may wonder why I am stating all of this shit. HELLO!!@#!@# WTF do you guys think I write code for? Anything that any company can use to keep track of you to build a demographic or a psychographic they will. Storing data is really fucking cheap. Getting data is really fucking expensive. So any opportunity you get to data, you take it.

Right now, I am taking a quick break. The project I am working on is for a BK attorney. He buys google ads for BK services and I take that into a form. I now can use 3rd party ad tracking cookies. I can see where there person goes that is in that network. That form data is pushed into my marketing software. I tailor messaging to the person depending upon what I see them doing. The goal is to get them to call to hire services. Once I get them to call, then I track even more stuff, but this time it is in a different system. I look at history to see how long it takes a person to go from a call to hiring. If I see that they are approaching the time and they have not met steps, I will market to them to get them to that point where they hire.

When I say that people collect data, it is not me speaking out of my ass. It is me speaking from knowledge and part of what people hire me to do.

"The MN DMV just got your race."

I have no dog in this fight, but although you present the documents to get a DL, that doesn't necessarily mean that the DMV retains them in their system.

Also, I'm not going to chase down whether or not the documents from Column A and Column B (my words) tracks a person's race.

That's your job. :-)

Regardless of immigration status, applicants will still have to prove their identity and their Minnesota residency through, for example, an energy bill or rent receipt.

Applicants must live in Minnesota for at least 60 days in order to apply for a license

“You have to prove you’re a Minnesota resident, so you can’t come from Wisconsin and say, ‘I’m going to get a Minnesota driver’s license,’” she said. “You would be attesting under perjury, by the way, and unauthorized folks don’t want to get in trouble with the law.”

@Good

First and foremost, DB changed the topic at hand. I jumped into the rabbit hole and tried to pull it back out. I have failed in that.

dps.mn. gov/divisions/dvs/forms-documents/Documents/IdentificationRequirements_English.pdf

The MN DMV just got your race.

Sorry Flip. it's never gonna stop unless...

There is the block option.

Hope this helps too.

"Again, you show your ignorance about Minnesota. You don’t have to be a legal citizen to get a drivers license here. So where does a Social Security number fit in?"

AND:

"I linked you the DMV of MN.

ON THE FUCKING PAGE it says that it is required to get a license.

Take up your argument with the state."

Perhaps "someone" missed this on the MN DMV site after the part it says you "need" a SSN: "Applicants who have not been issued a SSN must certify that information on the form."

Yep. You don't need a SSN to get a MN DL, and you don't need a SSN to become a registered voter in MN.

Hope this helps.

Just make it stop lol

Does it really matter?

You are so invested in proving to other people you are right.

You look at this through the eyes of a programmer.

I look at this through the eyes of a user.

Programmers often don't take into account the lived experiences of the user.

Look at this website for a rime example...

@TBR

Am I wrong?