tbr...Another poster with his fingers in his ears oblivious to everything.
What am I oblivious to? Or is that just another of your 16,000 drive by posts that says nothing?
Is there something actually burning down? Is our democracy doomed forever?
Why don't you go read some more stats so you can decide how you think. I actually don't believe you have the ability to think for yourself without a spreadsheet to guide you. That's sad.
Who was that?
Another poster with his fingers in his ears oblivious to everything.
So what now? Are we going to have to watch it all burn down?
What exactly is going to burn down? Hell it doesn't even have to be exact. Everyone here certainly must realize that anything Trump does will likely be reversed in 2028. If not before. Even if a republican is voted in next. They will likely undo most of it. That entire doomsday post that started this thread reminds me of the "project 2025" bullshit that has not, nor will ever, come about.
Trump had/has a lot of what I consider to be good ideas. Unfortunately his ability to implement those ideas is quite lacking to say the least.
Let me just comment on cpl. I myself think he had a good idea with the tariffs. But he fucked around with them so much that it's likely to never work at all like was planned or hoped for.
Doge was a great idea. I think they just came in a little to hard and fast. A more structured and planned out approach I believe would have netted similar "if not greater" gains without the public backlash. (mainly democratic backlash)
That being said. Trump isn't gonna burn down shit. He will certainly upset the applecart, but the apples will get put back in given time.
So far, our son has chosen to be deliberately ignorant of what is going on.
Still better than the previous 4 years under Joe Burden.
What will be interesting is to see the stance of this demographic after Trump's term and they realize that their choice didn't really change things and only created much more turmoil. It's clear that this current administration is fueled by hate, chaos and blaming all its woes on others. All the so-called "deals" that are supposed to bring money into the US may do so, but very few of us will actually see much (if any) of that money.
In the meantime, it's just a matter of time before people realize that the supposed windfall from tariffs winds up being mostly absorbed by the consumers and that they shot themselves in the foot by electing Trump again.
Hilarious.. only ten months and he and his ADMIN have done amazing things after the LEFT screwed it up so bad, lied, cheated with all the NGOs; and USAID., shall we go on about all te bogus investigations.. . it will take years to right this pathetic wrong the left has done!
Oh wait he cant see our reply.. he blocked us !
Our son doesn't take the white or christian nationalist angle of things, mostly He doesn't blame any race and couldn't give a damn about who is gay or trans.
He is probably more in line with an Elon Musk manner of thinking. Powerful people have the system rigged, and the justice for this is to become one of them or be aligned with them so they will beat up others for him and he can be the winner. He's doesn't fall cleanly into a left or right wing ideology - more like corporatist.
I can explain exactly where the sentiment is coming from and why it's a particularly focused group. It's the current generation of young adults figuring out that the game is rigged. There is only one party and WE* ain't invited. They mistakenly see DJT as an outlier and not part of the broken system. Unfortunately, he's just another cog in the propaganda machine that is our government.
The county we are taught we live in died a hundred years ago.
"Are we going to have to watch it all burn down?"
No, we're just going to have to deal with the idiots.
The worst of them refer to themselves as Patriots. I call them Patridiots.
One of my sons is similar. But kinda in the opposite direction.
He spent many years in hospitality, working bars in the Gaslamp in San Diego. Made a ton of money for standing around and letting people into venues. For a price.
Five years ago he and his wife moved to Arizona. Suddenly he could not keep a job. And it was all the fault of Mexicans and Blacks. His wife kicked him out, and now he is back in San Diego. He states that white men are the most oppressed group in the nation.
He says he doesnt like trump, but he buys into the bullshit. He likes that "men can be men again," whatever that means.
He has turned into the poster child for toxic masculinity.
Agreed, burn it to the ground and start over.
A large demographic who returned Trump to office is young (<40) men, and not any particular demographic of men. Rich or poor, and in any faith or complexion you can think of.
These are not people who actually like Trump. These are people who think that things are hopelessly fucked and refused to vote for what they see as the establishment. In their minds even a bad or destructive anti-establishment government is preferable to a frustrating and seemingly indifferent one. Burn it all down.
Our son (33) is one of these people. He didn't really think Trump would do anything positive, but maybe it would get rid of what he saw as the old ineffective ways. It's pretty difficult to have a conversation with him. He repeats things that I know are not his words (I have been unable to figure out what or who he is listening to) without being able to discuss what he just said with any real depth or knowledge.
It is said that nothing with turn you into a libertarian faster than starting a business. That was definitely true for me, although my position has softened since then. Our son - who struggled and suffered for years in a rather destitute situation but worked his ass off and now owns a house and a successful restaurant - with our support, but not our money - should be the poster child for "pull up your bootstraps". But he is not. He is certainly not a "Trumper" but he seems to support using the muscles of authority to make things good for himself and to hell with anyone else. Non-citizens (not even legal immigrants) have (not "shouldn't have" - have) no rights. Businesses like Uber Eats and DoorDash should be somehow regulated further so they don't take advantage of him, but he should be able to do whatever he wants. i.e. the whole freedom for me, not for thee.
This can seem to those with little libertarian bend to be, as tbr might say, a distinction without a difference from what I was 10 years ago. But it really isn't at all. My bend was to minimize government interference with life and business as much as practically possible. His is to employ as much of it as possible to make things great for himself. This to me is the total opposite.
But perhaps this is the appeal of Trumpiness to young men. They see themselves as having lost their position of privilege and want it back. And it's absolutely not just white men - I hear a lot of this thinking on the ball field and in my own neighborhood, with those saying it including Indian, Chinese, Latino, and black. Trump promised that they all could be winners, and a lot of them bought into it.
They - and especially the non-whites - aren't thinking this through very well. They can't ALL have it their way, because those ways conflict with each other too much. So now 11 months in it's becoming clear to many of them that they aren't going to come out the winners from these conflicts.
So what now? Are we going to have to watch it all burn down?
