Concealed carry gun choices

There has been a recent update to the 642 air weight that changes my opinion on a first time buyer. The lipseys 642UC addresses all my concerns with new shooters & ultralight revolvers.

The 642 UC fixes all the problems with a traditional 642 air weight & is available in .32 H&R. If you aren't familiar with.32 H&R it's ballistically equivalent (+/-) to .380 acp & the recoil is EXTREMELY pleasant.

Lipseys worked with S&W on this & developed a great little CC gun. Better trigger, adjustable sights, better stocks (grips), deburred & soap barred.

It's a couple hundred bucks more than a traditional air weight, but it's jam packed with features. Especially chambered in .32 H&R for shooters that are recoil sensitive.

Since this thread is no longer about pistol choice how about the pissing contest chambered vs no chambered

The "never dry fire" really goes back primarily to older SxS double barrel shotguns (and a few other gun configurations). The firing pin geometry and lack of a radius in the sharp corner can easily break off the front of the firing pin when dry fired and let it "tinkle" out down the barrel. It was a valid warning with what your grandpa likely had back in the 60's, but with most modern weapons, it is not an issue.

I always thought that dry firing a gun was not great for the gun itself. Not sure if this is a myth or not. Googling shows results on both sides of that fence.

FWIW - Anyone looking down the wrong end of a gun barrel is unlikely to move toward you regardless of the caliber. A .22 is small, but it travels fast and is more than accurate enough for the range involved in a home defense situation. Being small and fast, it will easily penetrate a lung if it misses ribs.

Sry about the rabbit hole into political failures of our population. I will unfollow this thread & attempt to financially recover from all the bad advice I've given myself for the last 30 years.

Goodenuff - Was thinking the same. There's a reason I avoid the Politics forums.

" Assuming you are on OUR side of the argument. That argument being our rights are under attack & all gun laws are an infringement. If we can agree on that, we can drop the issue, believe whatever we want about the other & part ways with an understanding."

There's another thread better suited to that discussion in the Politics section. Yeah, I'm guilty of some tangential discussions in here, but politics is a big no-no.

JW if the OP has unsubscribed to this thread yet. She asked nicely for recommendations; I'm not sure exactly when the fight started.

Dude.... what exactly have I lied about?
Thank you for confirming your status as a communist BTW.

You don't disappoint... your a Luke warm liberal.. at least your honest.

better than being a fucking liar.

@2A: thank you for confirming my suspicions. You are a closet democrat. If "we" don't hold the line, your grandkids are going to be disarmed & subject to tyranny with no way to resist.

You are the problem my friend. They will chip away at our rights until we have nothing. The 2nd is absolute.. no other right has been stripped like our right to stand up to tyranny. They will take the 2nd, then finish off the first... then you & yours will bend the knee....

You don't disappoint... your a Luke warm liberal.. at least your honest.

LOL....I assume you must be LEO.

That's the claim.

Jeez dude.... get over yourself. You act like I butt fucked your sister. We disagree on a minor point & you take it personally.

No... I just think you are a fucking liar.

As for 2A. I think people like you are the reason it's under attack. Your fucking Rambo mentality is what will jeopardize my grandkids ability to hunt and own guns.

Your mentality is as much of a threat to 2A as the democrats.

"At least twice a year"

LOL....I assume you must be LEO.

And my official "recommendation" is to buy a good CC gun you will actually carry every day & spend a few hundred bucks on professional training that holds you to a standard. Them dry fire every day & shoot your CC as often as possible. At least twice a year with your carry ammo, so it can be replaced at regular intervals.

I (and you I hope) can move forward now.

OK so here is my official recommendation to average cc joe. Get your cc gun and a comparable 22 version.

Blast away with the 22 and learn to shoot. It will save you money and make you a better shooter. It's not nearly as cool, but rounds downrange will improve your skills.

Jeez dude.... get over yourself. You act like I butt fucked your sister. We disagree on a minor point & you take it personally.

You just don't like being disagreed with I reckon. I've offered to move past this numerous times, but you insist on trying to have a dick measuring contest. You might be the "great white hunter" of Ohio. But I'm the redneck in the woods with too many guns & the resources to train with them.

This is the thing that urks me about your "type". You would rather argue over a miniscule difference of opinions than just agree that we are on the same side. Assuming you are on OUR side of the argument. That argument being our rights are under attack & all gun laws are an infringement. If we can agree on that, we can drop the issue, believe whatever we want about the other & part ways with an understanding.

I'm afraid you aren't that guy though..

you can add that to the list of shit you don't know.

I don't KNOW shit. I don't believe I've ever exaggerated what I do know. If I have. Anyone is welcome to call me out on it.

I run a whisker biscuit myself & you remind me of a guy that throws rocks at shit he can't hit.
You can chose to believe whatever you wish or you can accept that we live in different worlds.
I love how "certain" types of gun owners enjoy throwing rocks at the ones who take it seriously. You feel free to be a recreational shooter and hobby gun owner. That's perfectly fine.
The 0.5% of us who take it seriously and train will continue to do so. If you care to remember, I do carry a gun professionally on a part time basis. So, if I take it a little bit more serious than you, it's the nature of the game.

So is all of that .5% full as much bullshit as you are?

@2: there are at least 3 other LE following this thread. Two have sent I.M.'s to me pointing out things I overlooked in my list of options (PSA's new line of Glock clones being one of them) and one of those two had been chatting with a 3rd in their own I.M.'s. (apparently they know each other). They are satisfied to read along and also disagree with a few minor points I've made. So..... you can add that to the list of shit you don't know.

@marion BIGTIME!... you said... it's pretty straight forward & substantiated by the fact that not a single professional trigger puller in the world (3-gun, MIL, LEO, ect) uses .22 to train with.

BINGO!!! Pro trigger pullers! "NOBODY" in here is one! (with the exception of you of course)

Practicing with a 22 is way better than throwing rocks.

@2: I run a whisker biscuit myself & you remind me of a guy that throws rocks at shit he can't hit.

You can chose to believe whatever you wish or you can accept that we live in different worlds.

I love how "certain" types of gun owners enjoy throwing rocks at the ones who take it seriously. You feel free to be a recreational shooter and hobby gun owner. That's perfectly fine.

The 0.5% of us who take it seriously and train will continue to do so. If you care to remember, I do carry a gun professionally on a part time basis. So, if I take it a little bit more serious than you, it's the nature of the game.

$.70 a round... are you talking about rifle rounds or major pistol? Because long guns are completely different animal.

Just for clarification of course. Because every competition shooter I know without an ammo sponsor loads their own. $.70 a pop is either expensive .45 acp or really good .223.

You don't carry a gun, if memory serves me correctly. So, your advice on CC options seems kinda silly to me anyway.

I don't believe I've ever given "ADVICE" on cc options. I have stated what I do, and what I believe.

I might not qualify for seal team six like you do, but I'll keep practicing with my 22 and encouraging others to do the same. ya I know. It's not as cool.

You remind me of this dipshit at a local archery shop that told me that running a whisker biscuit on my bow vs a drop away was like throwing rocks at the deer.

"Do you spend valuable training time with a .22 version of your competition gun?"

Yes, and others also. Seven cents per round versus seventy cents per round has a significant motivation factor to practice more often. Climbing the fence, crawling under the wire, leaning over past the barrier, while still maintaining a sight picture under a time clock is the training. It is not the caliber or even the platform in general.

You must be inherently entwined with the controls of your competition (or concealed carry) gun for certain, but that is just a small part of shooting under stress. Hence why I suggested to the OP somewhere way up this thread, a Lady Smith is the ultimate "point & click" device for anyone who can't or won't put in the time on the range to practice routinely.

@travers: maybe I'm wrong to a point. I participated in some local IDPA stuff for a few years, I never heard a single shooter credit their hours of training with a .22. So, maybe I'm just in the wrong loop. But, assuming you are experienced in this, I'll pose a question. Do you spend valuable training time with a .22 version of your competition gun?