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On this episode of the Venus Cuckolders podcast. Wow, do I have quite the episode for you today. You might want to listen to this one in private, not while you're walking down the street, because it's really, really hot. so, you know, you know, they're kissing and I'm lifting up her white wedding dress and he's pulling down her panties and next thing you know, for the first time ever, he goes bareback with her. An hour after we got married, I'm going down on her after cleaning up. And so then we have to race back.
got 100 200 people for us we get back to the reception all of a sudden they're like hey they're doing they're doing the what you got to get up there it's your wedding dance he just loses it right he just melted he come like completely lost it and so i'm like okay they start the music i'm like okay step left step right step left and i'm trying oh my god i couldn't move i was like she just my mind just was lost at that point and we get up there and like are you ready and then what is what does she say to me what did she whisper in my ear honey that just come as running down my thigh welcome to the venus cuckoldress podcast a place to learn all things cuckolding for the curious the passionate and the sexually empowered woman who wants it all make sure you go to venuscuckoldress.com to subscribe to the podcast and check out the Venus blog.
And of course, if you love it, share it. Now, sit back, make yourself comfortable, and enjoy the show with your host, Venus. welcome to this episode of the venus cuckold just podcast wow do i have quite the episode for you today. Quite possibly the hottest story about cuckolding that you will ever hear my friends jack and kissy this wonderful couple are here today to talk about their story their relationship and the ultimate wedding fantasy that came true for them when they got married. Oh my God. You might want to listen to this one in private, not while you're walking down the street.
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We're so excited. Yeah. You know what? I first heard about you guys on the Casual Swinger podcast. It was the second time that I was on there and they mentioned, oh, did you listen to this Jack and Kissy episode? I was like, no, I didn't. And they were telling me about it. I'm like, oh shit, now I'll have to go and listen to this. And oh my God, that was, I think, one of the best episodes I've ever listened to. I like fell in love with you guys after that. So I'm so excited and so happy to have you guys on this podcast and share your story and everything.
So welcome to The Venus Cuckoldress podcast. Thank you. What was really cool was that your podcast was the next one after ours. So it was a one-two punch. It was really great. I liked how that was set up. Yeah. It's funny how that worked out. It was like all of a sudden cuckolding came from like every direction. That's awesome. Well, I've been fans of you guys for a long time. And then I saw that you guys posted something on Twitter about listening to the podcast. And I was like, Oh my God, I love you guys. I have to connect.
But I just want to say that interview that you did with Casual Swinger and oh my God, Mickey and Mallory, are they not like the best Oh, my God. People. They're amazing. They're amazing. They're so fantastic. We love them so much they are great that's i've been on their show twice and i just fell in love with them totally um well what i really loved about that interview other than that incredible story that you told at the end um was you guys obviously have an amazing relationship, something to aspire to. Your level of communication that you have, it's clear, is totally on point.
And the level of trust that you guys have is incredible. And so I just wanted to, if you wouldn't mind just having a little story about how it all began for you guys. How did you find yourself where you are today? Okay. When we began kind of our relationship together, we were both coming off marriages that didn't work and communication between the two of us became something that was just pivotal in our relationship. We had to over-communicate everything. And we also were coming off both, you know, rather vanilla marriages.
And so when our relationship began, there was a lot of, you know, just fantasy play, right?
We would do lots of different, different you know things in the bedroom with fantasy that were really exciting and really fun for us i think um just to to that point a little bit you know one of the things that was that was difficult for me in the beginning just because of my previous marriage as well that was kind of taboo is that kissy made it like you know allowed me to let go and fantasies by reassuring me this is fantasy this is whatever you want it's it's not real you're not gonna hurt me here you know you can you can fuck me really really hard and do some really naughty things to me and it's okay.
It's just fantasy. Go for it. So, you know, that was, that was a big element of that. Interracial black and white, the beautiful and sexy relationship dynamic that we love now in a lifestyle clothing brand you can wear with pride don't sacrifice quality and comfort any longer with Maison Dines you get both in fresh empowering looks for every occasion for everyone from the streets to the sheets and everywhere in between check us out at MaisonDines.com Maisinej Couture, modern fashion for the modern revolution.
And eventually our fantasies, a lot of them turned into this play of me with another guy and, you know, Jack some way or you know and we we got to a point where you know it was great in fantasy and eventually jack said you know what if we what if we tried making this reality and at first i was just like well no like that's just not you know because i was i was worried about a couple different things right like i i did not want i didn't want to hurt him right and when you take something from fantasy you start you know the reality of it and i'm actually physically there with someone else like i want to take that chance of, of hurting him.
And, you know, there's a little bit of the like alternate part of that is, well, is he just, you know, wanting to see me like fucking other guys so he can, you know, go fuck other women, you know, and, you know, so that communication piece of it took a while for us to, you know, to work through all of those things and for him to really make me comfortable in, you know, what he wanted and why he wanted it. And so, you know, we eventually started, started trying to figure out like, well, okay, and we didn't know anything. How do we, how do we do this? How do we make it happen? Yeah. Right.
So it took the reassurances from me, you know, first of all, it's like, oh my gosh, I have the most incredible goddess wife of all time. There's nobody that compares to her and never will. And so for me, that's like, I don't want to be with another, I mean, I don't mind today and stuff, you know, but still my focus is always on her. And I had to reassure of that. And it's like, no, don't be afraid of hurting me either. Hurt me, hurt me. I want to see you with another guy. Like, I promise I won't get hurt, you know.
And so it took a while for those reassurances to happen to get to that point where, okay, here we go. Let's try this.
this yeah so it sounds like with the fantasy talk she was the one to reassure you that you know what it's okay you know this is going to be this is a safe place and then it was for you to reassure her that no you don't have any ulterior motives this is not going to damage you this is not going to damage our relationship how long was that process where you got finally you know where where there was this kind of like oh I don't know to okay we're ready to do this how like how long was that like a year or was that like a few months or a few conversations I think there's a a couple of things first of all it probably took a – it didn't take too long for the reassurances, right?
I'm like – but I think the problem was once we – okay, okay, let's try this. It's not as easy as you think, especially – this is 10 years ago. This is in the days of Craigslist. You know what I mean?
It's like you didn't have all those tools available where you could you know pick and choose and so part of that was just being able to actually find that person like we went we'd go to like a club or something a nightclub you know not a you know a public nightclub and and you know she actually started getting hit on by a guy and stuff and then she's like hey well you know my husband would like to and they freak out like what you're married or you're you know and so like oh okay back to square one again and just finding that right person and and you know so even with the reassurances now it's frustration like we want to do this and We can't find anyone to do it with.
That's a real stumbling block for sure. I think for a lot of people where you're like, okay, I'm ready to do this. Now, how the fuck do we do this? Yeah. We, um, we finally like posted an ad, I think on ourselves instead of answering ads.
And we had a ton of replies and we replied to everyone and we didn't know what we were doing but we ended up you know screening a few of them and one of them was like an experienced man who really knew what he you know what he was doing he was a bull and he saw us green as can be we we have to meet out of town at a hotel and He's like oh gosh yeah good luck with that you know and um we basically chose him he was a gentleman and military and his name is dutch so kind of a famous name out there he's the first one that um led us into the land of temptation um and uh and incredible.
It was just like we got lucky, too, because our first bull was an amazing experience. And, you know, that's a key to the whole process as well, because you could just choose someone because you didn't do your due diligence and just like, oh, we just got to make this happen.
you choose some douchebag yeah who doesn't know what he's doing and then it goes all south on you and then she's going to be like we're never fucking doing that again right exactly yes you fucked up your one opportunity right can we just clone dutch can i just oh my god him we need more guys like that yeah so and and just a little i'm gonna give a little more cred to dutch and in what it means to be an epic bull at least from a cuckold standpoint is that he not only you know you can get any guy to come fuck your wife all right right. So great. And I'll watch and sit in the corner and stuff.
No, he, he knows how to mind fuck the cock. He's a puppet master, right? So he gave me little tasks to do prior to even our first, our first night together. He's like, you're going to buy Trojan Magnum XL condoms.
You're're gonna go to the drugstore and you're gonna tell the clerk these are for my wife's lover and kissy's gonna be there to watch to witness to make sure you fucking did that like the humiliation factor and i did it and it was embarrassing but it was like what a thrill and you know and had me by like the right kind of lube and told me the instructions of what the hotel room is going to look like with the table with all the stuff laid out and yada, yada.
And like, so he knows how to not only make the hot wife excited and happy, but he knows what tickles the cuckold's vanity and knows how to play that as well. And that's a rare find. Oh, totally. And Kissy, what was that like for you to all of a sudden experience a bull who kind of are just, you know, a guy in your life in that situation and that kind of triad of a cuckold scenario who takes charge like that?
And what like for you so it you know Dutch and like Jack said right like we were really fortunate to have Dutch be the first experience in you know kind of in this lifestyle for us because he's just one he's like a genuinely nice guy you know, but he has all of the, you know, all of the right aspects of just being able to, you know, talk with me and, you know, push me, push my limits, push Jack's limits, which, you know, and that whole thing was something that, you know, was totally new for me, like the humiliation aspect and seeing, you know, him humiliate Jack in different ways.
And it was, you know, it was a little bit uncomfortable at first because it was just like, well, no, don't say that to him. And so that, too, you know, just takes that communication to be able to understand. And then eventually, eventually, you know, like just through a lot of conversation with Jack, it's more of the understanding of, no, this is, you know, this is like exciting. And this is, you know, something that I want.
And, you know, and he was just really he was really good at making me feel completely comfortable and then eventually, you know, pushing my limits to just expand and, you know, explore different different aspects of this lifestyle. So it's been it's been great. It's, you know, I think Jack has created a monster in what he's asked for. It's so funny what what he just asked you and you didn't answer what I what a guy would maybe answer. And that is and he's the biggest cock I've ever been with in my life.
well that too was it fast kissy was it fascinating for you to see how your husband reacted to that kind of humiliation because for me in the very beginning like that for me was I was like okay first of all it was uncomfortable but then I saw how my man reacted and he got so turned on and I was like damn yeah yeah it is I mean it you know that is that is something that you know it just was I hadn't ever experienced before and it was it was like wow like at first you're like, oh, no, don't do that. But then you understand the dynamic of it.
And Dutch is just such a master at it that it really, he made it kind of easy to fall into. And you start, you know, then he starts doing the, you know, like dick comparisons.
I'm like, Jack, you know, of easy to to fall into and you start you know then he you know he starts doing the you know like dick comparisons and like jack you know come over here you know pull your little pull your little panties down and you know like oh kissy you know like you know whose dick do you want you know like it's just that sounds amazing oh my gosh but I still can't get over the fact that like you guys went from you know never having done any of this before to really kind of like diving in with him to yeah with these scenarios like comparison and this kind of like humiliation or teasing talk and stuff like that i can't believe that it went like but that that really honestly that takes a real bull to understand how to do that in a way that's not going to freak you out or make you feel you know uncomfortable and never want to do it again after after a few times with him he's in the military so he's gone a lot so we're like ah well let find some others, you know?
And so we had some other bull play. And what's sad is Dutch set the bar, the gold standards. He set the bar so high. Everyone else was a disappointment. Like, yeah, okay. That's the bad part of it. Oh, I can totally see that. So where do you go to look for bulls this is a question i get asked all the time how do you find a good bull so no we we mostly just like ask dutch about his friends because dutch does have like some really good friends as well so No, but no, I mean, for Playmates, you know, like SLS, like the sites like Cassidy, Swing Lifestyle, Adult Fred Finder was a good one locally.
And it's funny because some of these sites aren't as popular in one region as they are another. Like Cassidy here, nobody's on Cassidy here like in the Wisconsin area but everyone's on SLS where in other places Cassidy is is huge you know so it's finding those right places that you have a lot of prospects and good communication and then just you know setting up the meet and greets yes I find the best the best thing the best way to find a bull a real bull that you know is going to be great is through referrals from other women in the lifestyle. We know, we figured it out.
We got a good list going. So Kissy, I'll be sure to share that list with you. fantastic all right so um kissy you had mentioned earlier that there were you know parts of especially in the beginning of hesitancy where you weren't quite sure about aspects of this kind of relationship have there been any other experiences that you guys have had where you found it kind of tough to navigate at all um i think the the pieces you know really were early on when we were trying to kind of understand, you know, really what it was all about.
Um, there was a situation where we had met with somebody who really like was a, was somebody we had met out at a nightclub. He didn't understand the dynamic, right.
Didn't understand kind of of what we were we were asking him to get involved in and there were some communication things there that were hard you know and some things that we had to had to work through and ultimately you know determined like okay this just isn't the right guy right he wants something different and that doesn't work in what we are looking for so it's not the right person yeah this this actual the person she's talking about was a really really good looking black man um that that was open into hearing us out and wanted to but he's like i've got to be alone with her i can't you know and so we're trying to figure we but we kept like pursuing because the excitable boy jack's like yeah and uh one night the three of us were out and the two of them were getting hot and bothered at a you know um at a booth at a bar somewhere and then kissy came up to me and you know she excused herself came up to me and said he wants alone time with me you need to wait outside and it hit me really hard because i was like well i want to watch i went and they kind of did their own thing and and i drove we drove home that night and it was silence and she's like she knew she goes what's wrong and i'm like that she's we're done.
And I'm like, Oh, no, we're not. Look, we just need to communicate. How do we realize this just was a situation we needed to just, you know, move on from. And so it's a communication comes back to that. Yeah. Yeah. A stumbling block like that is a lot easier for couples who have that outstanding communication and trust and, you know, real strong bond, long lasting, committed relationship. It's easier for them to sort of work through something like that than it is for couples who are newer, I think. So good on you for recognizing that.
Well, I mean, I mean, it really is the most critical thing right like? Like, Jack and I aren't in this for me just to, like, be able to, like, have sex with other guys, right? What we're doing is an enhancement of our relationship. It's about, like, emphasizing what him and I have together. So if something outside of that isn't working, then it doesn't work in our relationship, right?
So it really is that that critical piece of communication just over and over and over again that's what we would tell anyone who is looking to you know explore this kind of of lifestyle because you know it's it's easy in the beginning to have those stumbling blocks and and you're going to make more mistakes than than successes and you have to be able to work through them yeah um and so that reminds me because there's a lot of people out there who just can't wrap their mind around this kind of relationship because it seems so fucking unfair it seems like well she gets to go fuck whoever she wants, but he doesn't like, I don't understand that.
Why would he sign up for that? So Jack, why don't you try to explain that for myself and for all of the listeners out there? What's in it for you in this kind of relationship? For me, it's, it's just, it's taking what I already know, the, the being with the most amazing lover I've ever been with the most gorgeous and satisfying lover.
And, and just wanting to like, wanting to see it from a third party angle from a third party aspect and it's you know it's like I don't it's it's hard to explain um just and be and seeing that and I mean for me the more intimate parts of that are the parts that really turn me on when she's like when when I can see her really, she's making out, she's kissing. And there's that, those into not just the hard fucking like, okay, you know, great. But it's, it's when, when she, when I see her actually kind of lose herself a little to him and, Oh, Oh, she adores him.
I mean, that's where I lose my mind. Because I know what it's like. And I don't know, I just to see it third party is just mind blowing. Oh, I love that. And and Kissy, what would you say is what's in it for you as far as a woman point of view? What is this? Is it it's not just the sex with a bull? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's, there's something about, you know, having a, you know, just a playful lifestyle, right? You know, as you're, as you're with, you know, a long period of time, like it's fun to be able to have something else that can enhance that part of your relationship.
And, you know, this is something where, you know, we can approach it in, you know, a very safe way. But it's also something that even if I'm, you know, out with a bull and, you know, I'm on my own and come home and, you know, am I just telling Jack about the stories rather than him being there? It's something, you know, like this is fantasy fodder that you can, you know, use for months and years sometimes, right? Like there are certain, there are certain situations that, you know, we go back to again and again and again, because it's just so hot.
Um, and, and that I think is the, you know, is just the, the fun part, you know, it's, it's always about what, what furthers our relationship. And this, you know, as weird as it probably sounds to people who don't like live in this kind of a relationship, it, it just, it's something that has brought us so much closer because you have to, you have to be able to have a deep communication and you have to have a deep trust and respect for each other in order for something like this to work. Yeah. A lot of people don't get that.
They just don't understand that whole aspect of it actually brings you guys closer together. It just elevates the love and trust and communication that you have for each other. It's like, like love on steroids. And just the way that just the way Jack talks about you, like just being the most like sexy, phenomenal, powerful woman. I mean, it's clear, like you are everything to him. And I'm sure that this kind of dynamic just amplifies that I'm sure. Yeah, it's definitely this kind of relationship never gets boring. You're absolutely right.
Like there's so there's so many different avenues to go down there. So you don't even have to be creative in this kind of relationship. You don't even have to be a creative person because there's just so much at your fingertips that you can just be like, oh, I'm gonna to press this button today. And oh, I'm going to do this today. Yeah, and that's true. But there's this aspect of it for us that has turned into a super creative element as well, right?
Because one of the things we found early on was, okay, yeah, it's, it's fun to have someone and you have a bull and you know jack watches and okay that's great but you know that also is something that can get boring pretty quickly jack and i both are kind of thrive on the creativity and imagination so we take the bull kind of cock hot wife dynamic and we spin that into different role plays that we do right so we have a real estate agent and he shows us a house and you know jack and i are there as the couple looking at the house and i really want it but jack is worried about how much it's going to cost and so i have to you know beg and plead with the realtor to you know to to give us the house at a lower price or something and work out some kind of deal with him and he ends up fucking me on the kitchen counter you know like oh wait we saw a lot of houses too by the way seriously this realtor is like naughty oh my god and there's some funny stories like one of them this is wisconsin it was winter and like it was 45 degrees in the house and she's like i'm not taking my fucking clothes off so it's not always goes as planned oh my god you guys have the best stories ever oh my god oh that that brings up a question so there's there's been this thing where like a lot of single guys especially in this lifestyle they have this idea that real couples in this lifestyle are engaged in all this crazy sexy fun you know insanely hot shit like all day every day Like how much of, how much of, of cuckolding is your day to day life or, and how much is just like regular everyday relationship stuff?
Kissy, can you bring the key for my chastity? Um, shame, please. No, it's, yeah. Yeah.
It's no we we you know we have corporate america jobs we're working we have the stress of every other couple and person out there i gotta go shovel snow later and you know i mean it's how maybe the question is like how often do we actually engage in that you know maybe once or twice a month we meet with somebody and you know not all the times it's play sometimes it's a meet and greet um it's not you know i wish i could say every day we're like doing something naughty but there's a there's reality out there that needs to be dealt with um so no that's that's not the case for you know most people i mean we don't like live where, you know, like where Jack is a cuck in, you know, most people.
I mean, we don't like live at where, you know, like where Jack is a, is a cock in, you know, normal life. Right. Like, I'm not like forcing him, you know, to put on an apron and do the dishes because he's an adult and he just does the dishes if they need to get done. Real life. Right. Like it just, there's, it's just real life.
And then, yeah, sometimes, you know, we have this element of this very fun aspect of our relationship, but it's, uh, the reality is being able to have the time to do those things and find the right person and set something up where it works in everyone's schedule is more difficult than we would wish it to be. Yeah.
I would, I, like I said, in the very beginning of the show, I saw your tweet, uh, about you were listening to the show and in the tweet, you mentioned that you, uh, I'm not sure which episode it was that you were listening to, but it sparked some sort of conversation between you guys. So I just wanted to ask you about that. So you've, you've listened to the podcast together.
What kind of conversation between you guys so i just wanted to ask you about that so you've you've listened to the podcast together um what kind of conversations has it sparked between the two of you um really good conversations because it's a fun thing to like put on your show in the kitchen and you know just hanging around and then we we discuss it like afterwards afterwards. Uh, like for instance, um, the, the gentleman recently, I think it was, I think it was episode 15, actually his, uh, his wife won't cuckold and, you know, he, he cheated, I think like 15 years ago. Right.
And, um, you know, we were talking about that. And, and the one thing that kind of comes back to a lot of our core conversations is, and I tell this to like friends and others, like single guys will reach out single married guys, especially they're like, yeah, well, my wife, she's, you know, she won't do anything. So I'm looking for, and I'm like, okay, what, what are you doing for her though? Are you meeting her needs?
yeah and and the response is yeah yeah i am i give her money and i mow the lawn oh yeah because mowing the lawn is her big need she's getting so turned or or i lick her pussy like okay she likes her pussy being licked but is that true what what is her needs and 99 of men won't know their wives. Number one, number one, number two, number three needs. And it's the same for guys, too. I mean, for women, it's kind of like, you know, we're both wired differently. And so it's like I tell them, you need to be her rock star first.
And so this is more for the married guys or the guys, you know, that wants their girlfriends or wives to be to be hot wives and have them cuck is you can't just go there. You can't just say, honey, this is what I want. OK, well, what does she want?
You know, are you giving her are you meeting her needs needs are you giving her the affection that she so desperately needs from her significant other on a daily basis i'm i have to write a note like oh yeah hug kissy give her love give her love notes kiss her hug her hug her more you know those are the things that in the communication and just shut up and listen to her talk and not turn you know espn on and stuff like that and that communication and listening aspect and the openness and honesty and the transparency is huge too and that's another thing that's tough for guys you know because we like to look at porn and do stuff on the side and next thing you know we're chatting with somebody and and it's all you've got to make her feel so comfortable and have her needs met so that she can be vulnerable with you and start like okay you're you're an amazing husband you meet my needs more than i can imagine i am now going to kind of listen to what this whole cuckolding thing really means and maybe we can explore but you got to get there first you gotta you gotta do your part and meet Thank you.
of listen to what this whole cuckolding thing really means and maybe we can explore but you gotta get there first you gotta you gotta do your part and meet her needs before she is going to be open to listening and meeting his needs excellent advice i love that yeah be a great partner i should have had you guys help answer that question well Well, it's like, that's what we do, right? We listen to your callers and then Jack and I are like, oh, this is, here's what else I would say to that person. And like, you know, it's, that part's fun too, because it sparks conversation. That's awesome.
Kissy, do you want to talk about that other episode? Which one? The, the, when she goes black one black one yeah so that was a an interesting one for us because pretty early on in our really it was actually like very early in our marriage um you know i would go to work i'd always stop at starbucks on my way and there was this just super hot black state patrol guy that was always there right he's always getting coffee at the same time. And we, you know, just see each other a couple of times a week and just say hi in passing and, you know, go on.
But I would like post on Facebook, like, oh my God, I saw this guy again. I love him. And, you know, we get married, we go on our honeymoon, we come back. And, you know, we're, you know, kind of starting to dabble in some of this. And I decided to take the bold move and I buy this guy a cup of coffee one morning. And, you know, and so it just sparks this little, you know, conversation between us.
He gets my phone number, you know, next thing you know, he like asks me out on a date and I go on this date with him and you know he sees my wedding ring and I'm like oh yeah well I'm married and he you know pretty much freaks out because he's like I'm a cop like I this goes badly like you know yeah and it it kind of took a while to get him, you know, to, to understand like, no, this is like, it's okay. Just, you have to trust me that I'm safe here. Right. And it was a pretty interesting, because it was completely organic. Right.
And I would go out, I'd like spend the night at his, at his house and come home and like tell jack all these stories and just be like exhausted from just getting fucked all night long and it was just amazing right so hot and it was i mean and that was like really a hot experience because it was like jack couldn't be at all part of it right and the other experiences that we had had up until that point he had always you know pretty much been um been there for it and so this was completely i just am telling him what's happening and you know it that was a that was pretty great and you know we eventually had you know met you know a couple other guys there's a another guy we know that's just like adonis right like he's just wonderful and we actually had we actually had him over christmas eve we everything if you go if you go on our i think we have a picture on our on our twitter of of, you know, giving me a present under the tree or something like that part of it has been really fun.
You know, we, you know, just always like have guys who, you know, want to do meet and greets and stuff. And so that part is, is always really fun and exciting for us. So on that note, there's a one story that I need you guys to tell. Like, I think when I first heard this story about your wedding, I almost died.
Like it is the hottest story I have I think I've ever heard so please recap it one more time for me it's um it's the hottest story it's it's our hottest adventure of all time because partly it's because the probabilities of it actually happening were so slim and it's it's more of like something you'd read in a penthouse forum that's fiction you know so dutch our alpha bull um knew that we were getting married and he said what if what if i come and consummate your marriage and i'm like whoa what and we started planning knowing that you know we're also planning a big wedding of 200 people and a pastor and you know the white wedding dress and all the other stuff that goes along with it and um and on the side we're like okay well you know so we started planning it and here comes our wedding day you know know, and we're getting married.
We're outside a big outdoor wedding. It was in July and we tied the knot and we went, you know, and got greeted by everybody. And then we had another couple of there that are into the naughty as well. We they're platonic friends of ours and they knew what was going on.
so all of a sudden we're like hey everyone we got to go take sunset pictures by the by the lake you know it's about a mile or two away and we all get in the car and they're like well aren't you bringing the photographer no no the four of us bolted we got to this park you know this little pavilion and there's dutch in his car and we all get out of the car dutch gets out and you know and our friends start taking pictures of them walking her in her white wedding dress me like behind the cuckold and we get to this little pavilion area and there had to be nobody around like this is a park and it had to be not raining and dutch had to be in town so all these actors had to come into play and sure enough they all did and next thing you know you know they're kissing and i'm lifting up her white wedding dress and he's pulling down her panties and next thing you know for the first time ever he goes bareback with her an hour after we got married and they're going at it and the oh yeah i'm getting a little roused right now and um and our friends are taking pictures and stuff and i i you know i'm going down on her after cleaning up like uh fucking crazy and so then we get we have to race back we got 100 200 people waiting for us we gotta go our wedding yeah we get back to the reception and like where are you where are you like oh we're all flushed and stuff and then all of a sudden they're like hey they're doing they're doing the way you got to get up there it's their wedding dance so we went took dance lessons and rehearsed this whole you know pitbull song and we're gonna kissy and i are gonna we get up there and like are you ready and then what is what does she say to me what did she whisper in my ear whisper in his ear i'm like honey that just calm is running down my thigh and jack like he just loses it right he just melted he come like completely lost it and so i'm like okay and they start the music i'm like okay step left step right step left and i'm oh my god i couldn't move i was like she just my mind just was lost at that point and literally like what the fuck did we just do oh my god yeah so there's that that is so fucking hot it is and it is it is partly it's just because the the chances of it actually all working out were you know just pretty slim so i can't like pulled it off.
That's amazing. You guys deserve a trophy. That is like the best story ever. Oh, my goodness. Okay. One last question from each of you. So Kissy, what would you say is the best advice for women who are curious or want to learn about this lifestyle, whether they're coupled or single or whatever? Give me a call. No, I mean, I think, I think really, it just, you know, I think there is some of that, right? Like, I think you need to, if you, your husband is approaching you about this and you don't know anything about it.
Take the time to, you know, do some reading, find some find some podcasts, listen to Venus, like get some get some understanding of what it means, because women, I think it means something different than what it means for the guy. So I think that's really important to understand. And then I think it really is about that communication with your partner and really understanding, you know, like, this is something that he needs and wants to, like, to fulfill him, right?
and so it's important to to really have that understanding and you know not doing that you know like is damaging within your relationship because you're you know like intentionally withholding something that you know would please him or make him happy right like like jack loves hosieriery, right? Like if I just never wore hosiery, like that would suck for him. You know, Jack loves seeing me get fucked by other guys. So like not doing that would, you know, would hurt him.
But seriously, I do think it's important to just to have some understanding and then have a lot of communication with your partner about what it means, and what it can do to kind of fulfill your relationship together. Right? Like, always go back to that, like, what is it going to do for your relationship? Excellent advice. What about for you, Jack? What's the advice that you would give for men who are single or coupled who want this kind of relationship? Do they need to win the lottery to find a woman who is into this? Well, I guess.
So, first of all, for a guy, I mean, there's there's the there's the the man who wants to be a cuckold but there's also you know a lot of men who want to be a bull and we get a lot of those too and the advice i have for them is set yourself apart you know for single guys wanting to be with other couples you need a niche right you need to You need to be able to market yourselves and not just, hey, I want to fuck your wife and you can want like, yeah, great. There's a hundred other guys down the street that want to do the same. Why should we choose you?
And it isn't, you know, become like, I know how to, I know how to cook you. I know how to do things. I know, you know, just kind of use those Dutch elements. Um, and for, for a couple, I want to be for, for someone who wants to be a cuckold in their relationship. Again, it's make sure you're make sure she's taken care of. And that doesn't mean sexually necessarily. That means like, make sure you have a strong relationship that you're, You know, you're giving her affection, number one, and you're meeting her needs, and you have something really solid.
And then you can start, you know, saying, okay, hey, I have these thoughts, too. What about my needs?
For a single guy, you know, that's a little harder for me because i'm not in that situation and i that that's kind of tough i i think that's more your area of expertise that's a little tougher yeah i got lots of advice for them i'm gonna leave that one to you well thank you so much for joining me on the show i do want to say that we should coin the term a dutch level bull yeah you know from now on i'm just saying that like he is the the top level kind of bull he's dutch level that's that's what i'm gonna say yeah thank you so much for sharing your story on the venus cuckoldress podcast absolutely love right, tell the listeners, where can they find you guys?
Yes, you can find us as Jack and A-N-D, Kissy, Jack and Kissy, on Twitter, on FetLife, on SLS, anywhere you might find us. Everywhere is Jack and Kissy. and Kissy has a new naughty project. She's, uh, she's just starting, um, if you want. Yeah, I just, I'm, I'm starting up an only fan site. So we can, yeah, I know it's really exciting.
You know, just, we have like a lot of people who like request different things and, you know, like, Oh, I want to see you in, you know, this lingerie and it gives us an opportunity to be able to do that so that'll that'll come soon but venus it was great talking to you we really appreciate you know the the conversation um we appreciate your podcast it's great and it's really important um it's it's good to to try to get out some of the and dispel some of these myths around, you know, this part of the lifestyle and this aspect of the lifestyle. So we appreciate so much all that you do.
Thank you. Thanks again for joining me today. Thank you. All right, that's a wrap for today. My goodness, what a great episode. I just am so happy to have them on. All right. So if you'd like to find me, I'm on Twitter at Cuckoldris V. And if you'd like to send me a question or comment for the podcast, please just go to venuscuckoldris.com. Click on the tab that says Ask Venus. And then all you have to do is press a button and start talking and it will record and it will send to me. So I'd love to hear your questions. I'd love to hear your comments.
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