Taxing TIPS Any Thoughts

@One

I did answer your question.

"A little curious. Why would a winery care if there is a report of line item details of every transaction? Why would they care who (as long as legal) is buying what and that anyone know it?"

That was your question.

"Why does the wineries use the POS system? You can look up the one I have used, it's called Active Club. It does POS at the winery, it also does ecom transactions. It also does payroll time sheet tracking as well as email newsletters. It sucks in that it does not support QBO for accounting, but only QBD.

Most of them use it for the ECOM side as that is where most of their business is: Selling memberships."

What I wrote.

Obviously, it was not verbose enough to explain it to your understanding.

"Why would a winery care if there is a report of line item details of every transaction?" That was your first question. Active Club allows the winery to sell membership services. These are called wine clubs. You sign u and at a set schedule some wine shows up. They use the line-by-line transactions from the customer as well as inventory to help determine what is sent in that future shipment. Not everyone gets the same items. Some wineries break up their products into categories beyond just red and white. So when the client signs up for club membership, they choose the categories. So again . . . to sell memberships.

"Why would they care who (as long as legal) is buying what and that anyone know it?" Your second question.

I really didn't answer that. I thought it was a little ambiguous. Why would the winery care who is buying, assuming it is legal in that jurisdiction? They only care to verify that it is legal. The second part means what? 'and that anyone know it?' Who is anyone? As all the wineries I deal with on the ecom site, they have TOS agreements. In their TOS agreement, there may or may not be the release of data. The wineries hand me the TOS to put on the site, I don't write it. I know one winery that does have a privacy clause in their TOS. There are privacy laws in the state of CA higher than in any other state in the US. In that TOS that I did read it basically states that PII will have to be subpoenaed, not just asked for on their transactions.

Just to let you know, PII is Personally Identifiable Information. It is a HUGE fucking issue in the nerd world. It is beyond HUGE in the EU. The EU will fine the company 50k per instance of releasing PII. As an example, if I am working for a client that has EU data and I need to work on the EU version, if they create a sandbox with data in it, then have me and 3 other people in it, that is 4 instances per RECORD. This is part of what is known as GPDR. Be prepared, it's coming to the US.

You should have invested some of that money on a course in remedial English at your local community college.

You should have invested some of that money on a course in remedial English at your local community college.

You should have invested some of that money on a course in remedial English at your local community college.

You should have invested some of that money on a course in remedial English at your local community college.

You should have invested some of that money on a course in remedial English at your local community college.

You should have invested some of that money on a course in remedial English at your local community college.

You should have invested some of that money on a course in remedial English at your local community college.

You should have invested some of that money on a course in remedial English at your local community college.

If more people did their research they would know all the Fed Taxes especially income tax are all Illegal and very Un Constitutional. This will be known to the public, sooner than later.

Mickey

Any smart business owner knows how to screw the IRS.If you don’t know how you need to learn how.We screwed the IRS every chance we were in business thousands of dollars every year.Am I proud you damn right.The government will waste the taxpayers money.I didn’t waste the money I didn’t pay.I invested in the business

“TBR and DB both responded questioning and correcting your statement.”

DB’s statement was that there are places that still have pencil written checks. He didn’t correct my statement. Nor did he question the clarity of my statement. I have to assume he knew what I was talking about.

TBR’s statement was about the likelihood of the IRS following up a servers taxes. His post started “Yes, the technology exists. But...”

Listen just because your pride didn’t allow you to be brought into question or told you’re wrong is not my problem. I didn’t write anything that was not clear. You had no problem asking me how the government knows what you’re ordering. That was your original question and disagreement with me. But I never claimed that. And you double down on your question. Again not my fucking problem you’re having trouble reading. But what do you do. Blame it I. How I have the statement written.

Get the fuck over yourself EA. Seriously. You’re a poster on a swinger site. Your self esteem has you above all others. You’re extremely condescending also. For example. You had to tell me why your POS system is used. I never asked. You still have not answered the question I did ask.

Do me a favor? Don’t reply to any of my posts. And I will happily not reply to any of yours. That way one less person will disagree with both of us. Deal?

@One

TBR and DB both responded questioning and correcting your statement.

It may be completely clear in your head what you were trying to state. It is not clear in what you wrote. You have proclaimed to not be a wordsmith and that is fine. Not everyone is, including myself. Simple paragraph construction shows that you were building upon the premise with supporting statements.

At the end of the day . . .

NO governmental agency has every fucking transaction on everyone. No credit card company has every transaction on anyone. The amount of storage required, holy shit, Seagate and Western Digital and, fuck, I forgot the name of the Japanese company that makes the platters, would be constrained and probably worth more than Apple and Amazon combined.

Why am I harping on this? Because the implications that you are claiming (whether or not you believe that) feeds into Mickey's paranoia. It is right up there with conspiracies.

“And what is this TRACEABLE thing? Explain that. Again, it is implying that they have the records.”

How is it implying that “THEY” (I’m assuming you are referring to IRS) have the records. The only thing I am implying is records exist and they’re not hard to obtain.

@EA, “It's ok to admit a typo, admit that it is worded wrong. Here is YOUR clue. If people other than ME mention what you write is confusing, it's YOU.”

Who else is claiming to be confused?

Names please.

@One

Dude.

It's ok to admit a typo, admit that it is worded wrong. Here is YOUR clue. If people other than ME mention what you write is confusing, it's YOU.

"The days of being able to hide cash in the restaurant business is done. The government know exactly how much booze and food is being supplied to the business. Everything from supplier computer records to point of sale information is traceable.

That is your next paragraph.

The 2nd sentence. Ironically, you were consistent in using know instead of knows in that post. But you are still implying that the government knows everything. It is just an extension of your first paragraph. And what is this TRACEABLE thing? Explain that. Again, it is implying that they have the records.

@EA, “Again, you implied that the government knows EVERYTHING. The second sentence states as such. The third sentence pushes that premise even harder. The fourth sentence even dives deeper into the implication.”

No. That is your interpretation. Read my entire OP on this. The very next paragraph states these things are traceable.

I’m not going to argue the way you are interpreting something. It is clearly written. You originally thought I implied who was consuming the product. And even doubled down on that.

@One

Writing IS fundamental.

"Everything is computerized now. The IRS/government know exactly how much business is being conducted. The days of old pencil written checks are gone. Uncle Sam know exactly how many steaks, potatoes and salads are being sold. And who is selling them."

Again, you implied that the government knows EVERYTHING. The second sentence states as such. The third sentence pushes that premise even harder. The fourth sentence even dives deeper into the implication.

The IRS and Uncle Sam do not know who is selling them. The IRS has no fucking idea how many steaks, potatoes or salads that a facility sells.

AND to add to that, I am not sure if that is even something that is evidence that can be used in an audit by the IRS. And to add to it, I don't think that level of granularity is even expected in the event that there is criminal activity (think mob) and the prosecutor is coming after the entity.

@EA, “You implied that the government has that data. Not that the government can subpoena the data from the restaurant to get what was ordered by the person”

I never implied that the government knew what the customer was ordering. Sorry you continue to misread what I wrote. My exact words were, “Uncle Sam know exactly how many steaks, potatoes and salads are being sold. And who is selling them.”

I’m not implying who is consuming the steak, potatoes, and salads. I’m saying it is known which server is selling the steak, potato, and salads. Therefore IF (and it is a big if) the IRS wanted that information it is available.

@EA, “Why does the wineries use the POS system? You can look up the one I have used,…”

I never asked you why the wineries use a POS system. I know they are wonderful tools for retail businesses. I’m very aware of what POS systems can do.

My question was, why would a winery care if the government knew what their line item sales were. Your words were, “…this would be news to them. They would freak out if the IRS was getting line item details of every transaction”. With the exception of distribution or wholesale I can’t comprehend why a winery would care. Why would they care if Johnny bought six bottles and Chuck bought two. Why would they need to shield that from anyone?

@One

Ok, so what you wrote is misleading then.

You implied that the government has that data. Not that the government can subpoena the data from the restaurant to get what was ordered by the person. And honestly, after dealing with quite a few IRS audits, I have never seen that level of granularity. As an example, if I claimed $500 in deductions they would want to see receipts. I could turn in a receipt to Tina's loose lips for $500 on my CC statement. Then they could either buy it or want more detail. If they want more detail, I'd have to provide a detailed receipt for that deduction. Then we could argue if Tina the inflatable doll was a valid deduction.

But to imply that every transaction, every bit of data is being sent to them by POS systems . . . nah.

In fact, I don't think there is any law mandating retention of line item sales data. Obviously you want supporting documents for last filed tax year -5.

Why does the wineries use the POS system? You can look up the one I have used, it's called Active Club. It does POS at the winery, it also does ecom transactions. It also does payroll time sheet tracking as well as email newsletters. It sucks in that it does not support QBO for accounting, but only QBD.

Most of them use it for the ECOM side as that is where most of their business is: Selling memberships.

Two things: In 2021, 9% of calls the IRS received were answered. In 2022, it was 10% (even though the IRS only received less than half the number as in 2021). It's most recent report gives the percentage of calls answered by IRS personnel at over 85%.

The second is the proposed change to how the IRS and employers track tipped employee compensation, which includes giving the IRS monthly information on food and beverage revenue, information that would be transmitted electronically.

Apparently their budget grew...

The IRS doesn't have the manpower to get line item data from every restaurant.

Their time would be better spent going after rich people...

“Considering that I have done half a dozen installs of POS systems for wineries in the area, this would be news to them. They would freak out if the IRS was getting line item details of every transaction.”

A little curious. Why would a winery care if there is a report of line item details of every transaction? Why would they care who (as long as legal) is buying what and that anyone know it?

@ea, "" They would freak out if the IRS was getting line item details of every transaction."".... Unless it's a gun or ammo of course