What happens when you embark on a journey of love that expands beyond the realm of monogamy? This week, CuckNextDoor joins Venus to sit down with Ms. Radio Sapphire to unfold the complexities and beauty of polyamory, shedding light on the significant role transparency and communication play in maintaining these relationships. Ms. Sapphire reveals her path of self-discovery, from swearing off love to the profound realization of her partner s deep affection. Dive with us as we chart a course through the sea of polyamory and its potential overlap with the cuckolding, which is sure to intrigue and educate. Ms. Sapphire offers a glimpse into her world as the only black partner in her polyamorous circle, her relationship with her supportive tribe, and the carefully chosen words she uses to explain her lifestyle to her coworkers.This episode is a rich exploration of contrasting relationship styles that will leave you questioning your own perceptions of love and relationships.LinksMs Radio Sapphire - https://linktr.ee/msradiosapphireThe MON App - https://themonapp.com/GTFO Radio - https://gtforadio.ca/shows/venus-cuckoldress/HotwifePalooza - https://hotwifepalooza.com/CuckNextDoor - https://twitter.com/nastyastheycumPromo code for the Helpful Cuck Tier: HOTSUMMER and sign up at https://www.venuscuckoldress.com/Queens-quarter❤️Venus Connections❤️ - Matchmaking for loving cuckolding relationships and female-led relationships. Learn more at https://www.venusconnections.com/ Give her what she wants 💦 🍆 the Thrum - triple the pleasure, feel the difference 🤤 BUY NOWDestination Links for Venus - https://lnk.bio/VenusPodcast
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So join VenusConnections.com. That's VenusConnections.com. And find the relationship of your dreams. Coming up on the show with Miss Radio Sapphire. Polyamory is what you make it to be. But one thing you need to be is very open, secure. Jealousy, it happens, but you need to control it.
You know, boundaries have been tested and we always rehash you know rules and relationships all the time like we we do frequent check-ins which happens bi-weekly for us and I I tell people you know if you're not checking in you into your relationship is it really a relationship to begin with the people that I have a very loving relationship my tribe I'll see going to fall. and to freely just, like, start seeing the things that others see in me.
I vowed I was not going to fall in love, like, fuck relationships, fuck love. I now know, God, this makes me very emotional. I now know that this man truly does love me. You are now listening to the Venus Cuckoldress podcast, a place to learn all things cuckolding for the curious, the passionate and the sexually empowered woman who wants it all. Go to venuscuckledris.com. You'll find the new Queen's Quarters fan destination.
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I'm your host venus this is the venus cuckoldress podcast and this is gonna be a great show and the announcements i have beforehand oh my god okay on the show today i have miss radio sapphire and she has one of the longest running podcasts on sexual health and lifestyle education in the world. And we're going to talk today about polyamorous relationships and the cuckolding overlap. It is a fascinating conversation. This is going to be really, really good.
And for the first time ever on this show, I have a co-host joining me. This is so awesome. You might have heard of him before. He goes by the name of Kak Nextdoor, and he's on the Moan app often. He's going to help me out with this show today. And yeah, it's definitely good. And okay, let's get started with the announcements. These are big, like big ass announcements. Wait till you hear it. Okay. Number one. Okay.
This one, there's a promo code going on right now for the Helpful Cocktier until September 1st. So if you've been waiting to join the Helpful Cockuck tier and get all the benefits for supporting the podcast, then you need to take advantage of this promo code. The code is HOTSUMMER, all one word, and that gets you 10% off the Helpful Cuck tier membership. So you get lots of bonus episodes and lots of replays of Pillow Talk, and you get one-to-one chats, the private podcast.
You get access to my personal private Snapchat group, among lots of other things. Oh, and live hangouts with me every week. It is tons of fun. So if you've been sitting on the fence, now is the time to do it. You can go to venuscuckledress.com, click on the link that says the Queen's Quarters Fan Hub. Okay. Number two, this is, this is so awesome. This is cuck level 5,000. Okay. Shout out, big shout out to one of my fans who's in the helpful cut group. His name is Ryan.
And he just got like a week ago, he just got a Venus tattoo. It is my logo, my podcast logo. He got it tattooed on him and it looks fucking amazing. Like whoever this tattoo did such a great job the font is perfect it looks so sharp it is just amazing so big shout out to ryan for being the first person i think in the world to get the venus tattoo yay that's super great okay cuck level 5,000. Number three, Hot Wife Palooza. You may have remembered, I talked about this last year.
There's been a Hot Wife Palooza hotel takeover event party two years prior. And so this is the third one. I've not been able to make it to any of them, but I will be appearing at this one in Arizona. This is happening the weekend of September 15th. And I'm just reading the list of things going on for this event. It's, it's pretty big. So this is just like, wow.
they have four parties two bonus activities a clothing optional pool a jacuzzi an epic group play facility and of course they have a big group of single guys single gentlemen who understand how to conduct themselves i would hope so they better be behaving themselves um These groups truly do know how to create a safe, uplifting environment so that guests can let their hair down. That's what it says in the description and enjoy every hour of their weekend experience. So it is the whole weekend.
It's at a boutique hotel in Tucson, Arizona from, like I said, September 15th to the 17th. And I think last year there was like over 300 people that attended. So it's a big party, but not too big. So it sounds like a good size where you can like get to know people, hang out and have fun. It sounds like it's going to be great. I know my friend, Doc Chocolate is going to be there.
So for all of you listening, and you've been waiting for the day that I meet Doc Chocolate in person, it is happening at Hot Wife Palooza in Arizona in September. So there you go. It's going to be lots of fun. So make sure if you want to come to this event, this is for couples and single gentlemen who I guess are bulls. If you want to go to this event, then you can RSVP and register. You can just go to venuscuckoldress.com.
It's on the events page, or you can visit their website, hotwifecommunity.com the link will be in the show notes for today so yes i'm finally able to make it to hot wife palooza it's gonna be fun it's gonna be hot it's gonna be spicy last but not least in august i will be doing another live radio show on GTFO Radio. This time it's going to be Tuesday, August 15th at noon Pacific time. That's 3 p.m. Eastern.
And if you miss it, if you miss any of those live radio shows, because I have awesome guests and it's like a ton of fun, then you can just catch them in the Queen's Quarters community.
If you're a Friends with Benefits tier member or a Helpful Cuck tier member, then you can just catch them in the queen's quarters community if you're a friends with benefits uh tier member or helpful cuck tier member then you get access to those replays as well as the pillow talk replays so there you go another tier benefit for you okay that's it for announcements. Let's jump into today's show. Here we go. Joining me on the show today, I have the one and only Ms. Sapphire.
She is Black, queer, polyam. Ms. Sapphire is not your average radio personality. Since 2009, when she became the youngest on-air producer ever for Sirius XM, Sapphire has been heard on a wide variety of outlets, including CBS Radio and iHeart Media, and worked behind the scenes in the adult industry since 2012 when Playboy asked her to be a host and producer.
Wow this keeps going on here currently sapphire is one of the premier hosts of the monap a sex forward platform for moderated conversations her world famous podcast of 14 years sapphire's earplay is now in the top two percent of podcasts worldwide and both 98,000 listeners each month. In addition, you can hear Sapphire reporting traffic for Real 92.3 in LA and the Black Information Network on iHeartRadio.
Threading sex positivity and creating safe spaces for sex workers, Sapphire continues to be at the forefront of the audio world. Welcome to the show, Ms. Sapphire. Say hello to everyone. Hi, everybody. Thank you so much. I know that bio is a word full, but yeah. I tried. No, no. You know what? Honestly, it is kind of crazy when you talk about your life and what you do in an industry for that long.
So thank you's a lot of bragging rights in that in that bio damn you're like oh gee podcaster yeah honestly before like podcasting became like a real thing I remember like when I first started people were like what the fuck is a podcast and I was like oh you know it's like a radio after show and people were like okay cool and then all of a sudden you know people started hearing more and at one point i was in competition with sex with emily and i remember meeting emily morse a couple years after i graduated and she came to playboy and she's like you're the bitch that keeps going back and forth with me on the rating scale I'm like like yeah it's great so yeah it's it's kind of wild I'm 34 now and yeah I've been I've been doing this for a hot ass minute fuck yeah that's awesome Also also joining me today on the show i have a fucking wonderful co-host i have cuck next door joining me some of you listening may recognize that name he's often on the moan app as well good friend of mine and he's here to help me out today and damn do i need help need help today.
I do. So I'm super happy to have you here with me as well, Cuck Next Door. Say hello to all the listeners. Hello, Venus listeners and everybody out there. Venus, it's a pleasure being on this platform with you.
I've listened to you for a long time and being able to chat with you on Moan as well as is is always so much fun you too miss sapphire like just being on moan and just the the relationship that we've built um it's just been really pure and genuine with with both of you ladies and i'm just i'm just happy to be here with both of you this this saturday afternoon and have a good time. Have a great time. Talk about polyamory, maybe some cuckolding.
So yeah, I'm just sure, uh, your friendly neighborhood cuck next door. I love the name. It's so great. I feel like this episode, we're just putting a fucking giant shout out to, uh, the Moan app.
I've been talking about the Moan app ever since it launched it's such a great platform and now that twitter is fucking nose diving into whatever the fuck it's i don't know some weird place it's going um yeah i'm like i just i feel like that's where i'm going to be spending more of my time is on the moan app and and the queen's quarters community on venus cuckoldress.com. But yeah, the Moan app is wonderful. And it really connected the three of us together a lot over the last little while.
So, all right, let's dive into today's topic, polyamory. Now, you, okay, this polyam, this is a new word for me. I didn't know what that was. So can you give our listeners a little idea of your history when it comes to your relationship style and how you kind of got to where you are today? Oh God. Okay. So it's crazy. For the longest, I like to say that I was a hoe, not a, no, I'm a pro, not a hoe.
So it's like my sexual history has been long and monogamy, as I've realized throughout my years of not really dating, but just having a lot of sex, it was just never my thing. And because of the fact that I'm queer, I like to joke around and say that I'm 99% lesbian, 1% bisexual. And I realized that when I came into the relationship that I have with Mr. Suit and Tie, also known as Benjamin on the Monap, we got together around like 2016, 2017.
And we were establishing a relationship that was unlike any other that I have formed before. And it was just the fact that we were so open and free sexually together that we came across another couple who experienced polyamory, which means many loves to people who don't understand what that means. So it is a set of like ethical non-monogamy where all partners are seeking out multiple loves. Some people date together, some people date separately.
And, you know, it's just like an, it is kind of like an open relationship, but it really isn't because there's still the rules of a relationship between trust, freeness, open mindedness, et cetera, et cetera. So when the sir and I decided to become polyamorous, it was still onto the basis of, are we boyfriend and girlfriend?
No, but we want to establish this polyamorous relationship because we were pretty much dating all the same people and fucking the same people and establishing not just relationships, but also really good, deep, meaningful friendships that was like, unlike any other. So then around 2019, we made things official. We're in love with each other. We live together now. And we have a tribe of two other people, including the couple that introduced us formally to polyamory.
It was a term that I had heard before, even in college, but it was nothing I thought of an interest of. But my girlfriend and her boyfriend and my man, Suit and Tie, we formed a tribe and we all date each other. The men are not sexually attracted to each other at all. It's just, you know, they're like our anchors. And we just have a very loving relationship where, you know, sometimes we go on dates together. Sometimes we go on dates separately. And, you know, we're friends at the end of the day.
And I think when it comes to polyamory, people think that there's only one way to kind of practice it. as I've developed more relationships with other people in the community polyamory is what you make it to be but one thing you need to be is very open secure jealousy it happens but you need to control it and we can get into that later but I want people to understand that it's not polygamy because none of us are married. And it's not a sex thing.
You know, sex is a bonus, but it's not something that is required to practice polyamory. And as Venus and I have talked about on my own show with her, you know, there are similar parallels to the cuckolding community, which we can get into as well. Interracial, black and white, the beautiful and sexy relationship dynamic that we love. Now in a lifestyle clothing brand you can wear with pride. Don't sacrifice quality and comfort any longer.
With Maison Dinesh, you get both in fresh, empowering looks for every occasion, for everyone. From the streets to the sheets and everywhere in between. Check us out at MaisonDinesh.com. Maison Dinesh Couture, modern fashion for the modern revolution. Yeah, so I'm so glad that you explained that because I'm like, okay, how's it different from open relationships? And I like that you said that it's however you make it. It's, I guess unique to everybody.
But was there a process in the beginning where you guys kind of sat down and hashed it out as far as like what this is going to be like, what are the rules, boundaries and limits and all that sort of stuff? Absolutely. And, you know, the sir and I, we've been together for a hot minute and rules and, you know, boundaries have been tested. And we always rehash, you know, rules and relationships all the time. Like we do frequent check-ins, which happens biweekly for us.
And I tell people, you know, if you're not checking into your relationship, is it really a relationship to begin with? So you just like bring it up and every week just, oh, hey, it's... Yeah. Every other week with our relationships and we talk about everything. We set the phones down, we share a glass of whiskey, wine, I'll play some vinyl, some music in the background.
Sometimes we're naked, so we're completely vulnerable and we assess our relationship and talk about where we are and you know how are things and everything like that you know i have are you able to give me some examples of what your rules and limits oh absolutely so um actually we had a threesome unexpected a couple days ago and so um friday Friday night, we did a check-in just to make sure we were each equally okay with what had happened.
And some of the rules that we have had before is that if somebody is going to have a date, we prefer to go to the said dates home or we go to a hotel, Airbnb, whatnot. Most of our partners all have their own spaces. So we usually just go to their spaces and have the dates. Unless if they're part of the tribe, we don't necessarily have sex with people without each other in what I call our loving bed.
It just a boundary thing for me I don't want to walk into a situation especially with somebody that I'm not a part of you know and see my man fucking a chick that I really don't know or I don't really date so that's like my personal boundary I also am a germaphobe. So I'm kind of like, if it's not my girlfriend, ain't happening. No. I know a lot of people listening are probably wondering about the sexual health aspect of having multiple regular partners. Yes.
So I openly have HSV, which is herpes. Now, for all the people that might be pausing right now and be like, ew, herpes. First of all, herpes is very common. And if you really want to break it down, one in five people have herpes and probably don't even know it until the first outbreak happens. And I got my herpes diagnosis at the start of 2020. That's how my shit show of 2020 stopped. Especially waking up on New Year's Day after having glorious sex. I knew something was wrong with my body.
Now, three years later, I have not had an outbreak since March of 2020 and I continuously get myself tested. All my partners get tested and my sir and I were actually, we, we have sex unprotected and he has yet to have herpes and he too gets checked frequently.
Um, so moral of the story is no matter what type of sex you're having, please make sure you're getting tested and getting tested regularly, whether it's every year, every three to six months, which I highly recommend, especially for those who may have STDs, STIs, get tested as frequently as possible. And you do need to specifically ask your doctor to get tested for herpes, by the way. It is not on the full screening panel. So that's something to also keep in mind.
But we also try to limit, I'm what we call now a selective hoe. I don't have sex with pretty much everybody. My man, however, he is a hoe. And he loves it when I call him that. So don't worry, that's not me degrading him at all because he is my sir. He is my dom at the end of the day. And it's a very respectful, loving relationship. But I am now selective.
And it also has to do with the fact that HSD, if you're not mature to have the conversation with me about having sex with me with HSVd it's a great way to vet out the partners that i don't need entering my body period yes so with that said um we do go to sex parties we do go to swinger parties we do go to dungeons and i've only been rejected one time and honestly to be honest i dodged a bullet it with that one but everybody i've talked to and encountered you know people understand they get it and most of the time when you're in this lifestyle people are gonna understand like hey when's the last time you had an outbreak when let me see your test papers oh cool let's fuck and you know i fuck with condoms he's the only person that i do not have protective sex with but if i do feel like i'm having an outbreak you know we don't have sex until i feel like everything's clear so those are my preventative acts um as far as you know sex goes and what's really great about in my tribe, if there was a scare, which has happened before with STDs, everybody knows, you know, we text each other.
Hey, you might want to go get tested. A partner outside of our circle may have been infected with something. I tested negative. Hope you guys are negative as well. That's how we prevent everything. Wow.
it takes a lot of like straight up open conversation i tell people you know polyamory is not for everybody especially if you are not willing to be vulnerable and open and tap into a lot of things that you may not even experience in monogamous relationships so it comes down to the fact of like like I say, if you're not mature to have the conversations outside of just the fun, sexy parts of sex, you shouldn't be having sex at all, to be honest. Right.
And I feel like when you were talking about your tribe and you being open and honest and having those those conversations, you know, like all the time.
I feel that that really coincides with like cuckolding from all the couples that I've heard on Venus's podcast and all the couples that you hear on Moan talking about their cuckolding and dynamic, um, their dynamic relationships that they're always communicating, you know, verbally with one another, um, just checking in on each other's like mental health because, you know, like as a, as a cuck, like it can, it can take a mental toll on you, you know?
And I guess like as a, as a woman, um, a female dominant woman in that relationship you know you want to make sure that your partner isn't like being fully degraded you know he still unless you know he enjoys that type of um particular you know a role but it i definitely can see where polyamory and cuckolding definitely are synonymous at times. Ms. Sapphire, what do you feel like are some of the benefits of your polyamory relationship with your partner and your tribe?
And how do you feel like has that made you like a like a better just a better person overall you know it's crazy I I never thought that I would find love especially after the first and only other relationship I ever had in my life was right after graduation from college back in 2012 um I dated a woman who I thought was down you know at the beginning it was cool that her girlfriend worked in the porn industry in radio and was a boss-ass bitch but then when you sealed the relationship and it was no longer just like a sexual relationship um she became very controlling we were very toxic for each other you know and she was a lesbian I was still very much a very bisexual woman like I was fucking a lot of more men at the time than I was with women and I said after our breakup of a year and a half literally the next day after she broke up with me it became one of those like it's either me or your career and I was like well bye like the fuck and she she at the time was in law school so I was like you're telling me as an established woman who is on the brink of her career at 22 it's you in law school or my career that is paying my bills and i live alone bye like we're done and literally the next day i fucked a porn i i got some porn dick like the best porn dick got introduced to anal not my thing um the whole shebang.
And after that, I vowed from 24 until about 25 when I was on my whole phase. I was not going to fall in love. I'll fall in lust with you, but I'm nobody. I'm not going to get into a relationship. Like, fuck relationships, fuck love. And when I became 25 and met suit and tie, I always say and joke around like he fucked it all up. Like he is literally the exception when it comes to male attention.
As you both know, very openly on Moan, I tell people like I'm not really attracted to men at this point. I have fucked every prototype of man to the point where I'm like, I'm good. So how does that come involved with polyamory?
The people that I have a very loving relationship, my tribe and polyamory in general and being in the lifestyle, it got me in tuned with the ability to love and to freely just like start seeing the things that others see in me because I'm very very hard on myself and I don't know if that's because I'm an only child I'm an Aries I'm very hard working I'm never satisfied with episodes of my podcast that I put out, but, you know, it's my earbuds, my fan base, you know, the people I interview that really just make it easy for me to say like, thank you.
I love myself today. And polyamory has really helped, you know, see different levels of love. You know, the love that I have for my sir sir is a little bit different than I have with my girlfriend. My girlfriend and I, we're not going to get married to each other, but I love that woman to death because she makes me vulnerable. She makes me feel sexy. And it's really hard to even find friendships in women where you can cry openly and just spill your heart.
I feel like women in general are harsh on each other, even in friendships, and she has never made me feel threatened, and that's the same with her boyfriend. Again, men kind of make me feel uncomfortable at this point. And it's not because I've been molested or anything like that. It's just the fact that a lot of men only see an aspect of me being sexual, working in the adult industry, and that's it. I'm just a pair of tits and ass to them. But these men, they make me feel powerful.
They make me feel seen and heard. Not to mention, I'm the only Black partner in the circle. My male partners are white. My girlfriend is Latinx.
And especially at the pivotal moment of 2020, it was a very interesting conversation to have about having a black partner in a time where we're not really being seen and heard still this day so to have that type of support of partners who went to marches and you know checked in on me frequently especially when during covid we didn't my my girlfriend and her boyfriend and i we could not see each other Thank you.
marches and you know checked in on me frequently especially when during covid we didn't my my girlfriend and her boyfriend and i we could not see each other for almost six months that really changed the game for me and it has helped me communicate my wants and needs especially with my mental health so that's been the biggest takeaway for polyamory is that I know now how to express myself and how to love myself.
It's something I'm still learning every day, but that being in that lifestyle and being with my tribe, they have really helped me overcome a lot of insecurities. That's amazing. I love that so much.
And I think about, I had a guest on my show, I think it was this year or last year, I can't remember, where she's been married with her husband for a long time and in this cuckolding relationship for a long time and she is or has fallen in love with her bull and um her husband is so like happy for her he's just they have such a solid relationship and i wonder if it is about that kind of wanting different kinds of love for the person who you love it is is this this kind of a compersion thing right yes i was just about to say that's that's exactly what compersion is Let's do it.
different kinds of love for the person who you love it is is this this kind of a compersion thing right yes I was just about to say that's that's exactly what compersion is where you are mutually happy for your partner's other partnerships or situations you know um does that take a certain person to be able to do that it really it really does because, as I said earlier, jealousy can very much happen in polyamory. For me, I have realized that jealousy comes for me with time spent.
If I'm not included in certain dates, I get jealous.
You know, if I feel like I'm not getting enough attention, even though I see my sir every day because we live together coming out of covid and still you know we're very much like following the protocols you know we mask up when we travel and stuff like that we make sure that whoever he's dating is up to you know that they're tested because we also work in the adult, not in the adult industry, but in the Hollywood industry, which still very much tests for COVID.
We make sure that we're keeping everybody safe and even our partners, my girlfriend and her boyfriend, we too follow the protocols and we try not to mess with people who may compromise that. So I do get jealous sometimes if I'm not included in dates or, you know, if I feel like the attention is not met.
But I have slowly been overcoming that with therapy and, you know, relearning to take myself out on dates, especially if I don't have a date lined up I take myself on dates or I you know rest which is very hard for me to do but it's workaholic I feel like you're a workaholic I work from 5 30 in the morning until eight o'clock at night during the week and then I'm now now in voiceover. So on the weekends, if I'm not podcasting, I'm voice acting.
So my schedule is crazy, but also what helps is having partners who are also just as busy. Um, Ms. Sapphire, you were talking about the jealousy. Um, how does your sir or your other boyfriend and your tribe like like How does your sir or your other boyfriend in your tribe, like, I guess, make sure that you are, you know, that your relationship is secure with, can I say Ben? With Ben. Ben. Okay, yeah. How does Ben make you feel secure?
Like, even though we're in this big dynamic, this tribe, you're still my number one. You know what's crazy? Up until two years ago, we didn't think about getting married.
And the fact that he made it known that our relationship was so much different that he's like, I'm myself out of my own comfort zone because up until you I never had a vision of getting married and having children that's why I entered polyamory oh but once he moved in with me once we started getting more comfortable with each other, I now know god this makes me very emotional i now know that this man truly does love me because he has seen a lot of ugly sides of myself like i i struggle with um extreme depression and anxiety and he has seen a lot of me that a lot of people don't get to see day in and day out.
So the fact that he sees children with me, that he sees, you know, us getting married and still practicing polyamory after kids and getting married, that's really strong. And so he makes me feel like the only woman in the room, even if there are multiple women in the room, you know, it's just, he is a very generous, kind hearted, understanding and patient man. Oh my God. Oh my God. I want to cry too. That's amazing.
I think that's the, that's the pillar that you have to have, I guess, when it comes to polyamory is that really solid relationship, right? Where this person knows you inside and out, like every, every which way they know you. and even, you know, my girlfriend and her boyfriend who, you know, sometimes I would say he is my boyfriend. I mean, Michelle and David, I love them dearly. And again, it's the same thing. They're very patient with me.
And anytime that we see each other, and sometimes we can go months without seeing seeing each other I don't have to call my girlfriend every day I don't have to text David every day to know that we love each other in our own way and that you know when we do see each other we pick up right where we where we left off it's there's never moment, but again, that comes with the power of, of feeling secure, secure, um, checking in and just acknowledging, you know, how you feel about someone.
And that's really hard to find. I feel even after these trying times that we've been having in society. It's very hard for people to be vulnerable. And vulnerability to me is very sexy, but it's very important. If you can't be vulnerable with me, I can't have you in my circle. I feel like it's sexy too. Oh, my God. I love having these conversations with like, if I'm with someone, a bull or whatever, and I'm, I sit down and have like the most open conversations about sex with them.
And they're just like, this is refreshing. It's very refreshing. It's different. I will say it's very different because believe it or not, y'all, like I don't have a lot of friends. Like I really don't have a lot of friends anymore. And so it's kind of like, you know, you're not supposed to say like your partner is your best friend, but my tribe, they are my best friends. You know, they are my support group.
And I do have friends who are not in the lifestyle at all girls that i've um gone to college with two in particular they're always like you have the best life like what's going on with these dates and stuff like i could tell them about you know my sexcapades and give them dating advice and those are my my horror gals shout out to them and And it's nice that, you know, again, we're also in entertainment that we can all just see each other for what we are in and be supportive.
But I kind of like the intimacy now. I have a big family. I don't need a big friend squad, to be honest. Miss Sapphire, do you think you, you were talking about marriage, you know, maybe later on down the line, do you think about like your honeymoon, like how that would be like, would it be like your sex tribe included with in your honeymoon? Like, like, how would that like, do you think about that? Like, do you guys talk about it about it?
So we haven't talked about, I mean, we have a plan for the marriage. But I can't divulge that because if I do, it would ruin everything. But all I know is that the way that I told people is like, when you see something, RSVP and don't cancel.
That's't don't cancel that's all I'm gonna say you know yeah I wouldn't yeah that's something you better make sure you attend like I'm a horror enthusiast so you know I I the people that do know they they know certain things but they don't know when anything as far as far as the honeymoon aspect, that's funny. I actually never thought about that. But now, since you said that, it would be interesting to do that. We like traveling together.
I guess it would just have to matter of if the Google calendars sync up. But it's funny because a couple weeks ago, um cuck it and cuck next door knows i went on vacation i just actually got back from mexico not too long ago um with my my sir and it was just him and i and one of my co-workers not in the lifestyle at all he's one of the djs i report traffic for he had asked he's like oh so tribe coming or, you know, do they get jealous? I'm like, no, we travel together. We travel separate.
They do their thing. And I'm like, honestly, I didn't know that it was just going to be the Sir and I. It was originally supposed to be a family vacation. It was going to be my Sir and I and then my parents. But my parents had to dip out for some personal reasons. And at the last minute, my dad's like, well, if you want to bring some friends, do it. But it was too late of a notice. Like both Michelle and David are very busy with work and it was just too complicated.
So we already have said we're going to do a tribe date, you know, somewhat. So we always keep each other in mind for future endeavors and all that. That's always been a thing. We love traveling together. We just love hanging hanging out and most sometimes it's not all about sex now do we have sex honey it's a damn porno it's probably the best porno y'all will ever never see so the honeymoon thing i going to have to bring that up for sure. I'm definitely going to have to bring that up.
You, you taught, you mentioned a little bit about talk, talking to someone from work about your tribe or discussing that. How, like, how did you in the beginning explain this to people? You live a very kind of like interesting life. So I have a feeling that people surrounding you are not going to be surprised to know that you're in a poly relationship, right? Poly is not taboo anymore, though, is it? You know, yes and no. Yes and no. So I definitely live my life unapologetically.
And I'm very fortunate that being in radio, especially, I think people are a little bit more understanding, you know, and less biased. I would like to say that, but there have been radio jobs in my career where I think that's probably the reason why I got fired and they had to find other excuses. Calling me lazy, but I'm actually not lazy. I'm always working. Venus knows this because it took us forever to schedule each other to get an interview in.
So with that said, it's very interesting when I do bring it up. So sometimes it just comes up and I don't even realize it. And then I see the look on my co-workers faces are like, wait a second. You have a girlfriend? I was like, oh, yeah, by the way, I'm polyamorous. You know, I just kind of toss it in. And then when people ask me, like, oh, what's polyamory? Then I get perked up and I'm like, well, let me tell you. Do people not know what it is?
I'm feeling pretty much everybody knows now, right? Some people do. Some people don't. Some people think it's swinging. And then I have to correct them. I'm like, oh, no. Let me sit you down. Let me sit you down and give you a little, you know, quick run through.
But even my family, believe it or not, my family on both sides my parents are um both together been together for many fucking years um they they know and until a very recent like open and honest conversation with my mother especially like my dad understands it my 96 year old grandmother gets it um and it's funny because i've uh said this before i've come out many times in my life i've come out about me being bisexual me being a lesbian me being polyamorous because sometimes they do listen to the non-sexual radio shows.
My parents have heard my, my day debuts on college radio and on playboy once and then they're like okay megan okay no we love you but really did you have to say that but it's been interesting because um up until recently my mother and i really didn't see eye to eye um about my lifestyle like the polyamorous thing you know we we did kind of butt heads of the sanctity of marriage she said and literally earlier in july i you, revisited it and we talked about it very honest, very candidly.
And I just told her, I was like, I want you to know that all my life, I know that you've never really liked my friends. You know, the ones that mattered, you do like.
And the ones that didn't, you never cared you never cared for and you know you had to teach me that I will one they see the light that sometimes friends are shit and when I brought Ben around instantly my entire family loves him and the family members who are a little bit more religious, you know, it's kind of like bye, but the ones who do matter in my life, especially my cousins, they're like my siblings, especially my younger cousins. Those are my babies. They all understand the deal.
They have met, you know, my my partners and they understand the deal that Ben will be my husband and that my girlfriend will always be in my life and that I am loved. I am protected. And that's all my parents have ever wanted for me was to feel loved and protected. And I said, you know, mom, I know maybe at this time you don't want to meet her, but I think you would really love my girlfriend. You will see and understand why I am the way I am. You know, I'm gay and that is the exception.
But all you've ever wanted me to feel is love and protection. And I get that from both aspects. And Ben, he has his I don't know. is the exception. But all you've ever wanted me to feel is love and protection. And I get that from both aspects. And Ben, he has his other relationships. He has another girlfriend who is married. And while her and I did not work out, we dated each other for a while. I'm still very much in her life. And we have a family. We have an extended family in this group.
And we will protect the sanctity of marriage. It's just going to look like a different dynamic than you and daddy. And I think she started to see the light after that, after the conversation, because now it's more open and free. And so I'm hoping, hoping my girlfriend will make a debut with my entire family for the holidays this year. We shall see. Nice. Miss Saf, I got a question for you.
When, you know, when you're out with your tribe or you and Ben are out or you and your girlfriend are out, do people approach you guys to, like, join your dynamic does like how do you um vet people who you may want to bring in like people like you may think somebody's hot but ben might not think somebody is like good looking or like it's kind of uneasy about bringing this person into the tribe, into the dynamic.
So how do you guys vet people who may want to link up with you guys, may want to play with you guys? Most of the time, it's all with a check-in. It's usually not on the spot. Sometimes we may bring people that – like Ben has brought people that he thinks I might be interested in to play to social settings. I've gone bowling with some people. I've gone to Renaissance Fair because we're nerds or, you know, do Halloween escapades together and, you know, kind of feel the vibe.
I'm a vibe seeker, but also I'm very particular, again, of who enters my body. So most of the time, like I said, Ben is a whore when it comes to ladies. He loves the ladies. And so some women that he thinks that I might be interested, like now he kind of knows like my type. And so he will say like, Oh, you know, this girl that I played with, she's very interested, but I already know it's going to be enough for you kind of thing. And same with my girlfriend, like, um, she mostly dates, uh, men.
So her and David, they don't see each other as like, uh. We actually don't use the terms, what they call primary or anchor. But in the outside world of polyamory, anchor and primary partner is what you would see out of the dynamic. Meaning like that's your first, your rock, everything. Ben is my anchor, you know.
But again, I don't like the terminologies because then that becomes a hierarchy thing and i don't believe in that you know um so when it comes to like introducing new partners most of the time it's in the social setting or lifestyle setting and it's kind of like i feel the vibes and that's how i do the vetting yeah oh no i was gonna um I have one more question.
So I know you're like, know a lot of adult film stars about actress actors and actresses yeah do they ask do they like do they um say like hey Saf do you want to join like our Hollywood porn uh orgy setting or this big, like, you know, it's like, how does, how does that work? Like, there, there have been, okay, there have been inquiries, but I have not brought Ben into them. I have yet to bring Ben into them.
There's one adult star in particular that I call my wifeyy we have never played with each other at all um but i know that they have told me because when i bring them around there have been some inquiries from other adult stars like would they be down and you know she tells them yeah but they look like they think that we're so unapproachable to like say do you want to fuck i guarantee you people listening if i've if i'm vibing with you you will know and that's the signal like please yes because especially with women ben is is my wingman i don don't secure the pussy.
He secures the pussy for me. I am so nervous when it comes to women. I don't know what it is. But I live my best sex life either way with women where I'm like, wow, how did you get in my bed? Like, have you looked at yourself? And I'm like, yeah, but I don't get it. I don't get it. But I guess I make ladies feel comfortable. I can definitely understand that. When you were saying like, if like, you know, people think I'm unapproachable. I'm like, how is that possible?
You seem like the most approachable person. I'm super approachable. Okay, so before we wrap up, I want to just get your opinion. What's your advice for maybe like top three pieces of advice for couples who are thinking, cuckolding couples who are thinking about incorporating polyamory into their relationship? Where should they start? Where should they go? What should they do?
What they do what should they not do yes one make sure that your home is secure okay if your relationship is already on the rocks and you brought cuckolding to fix it and then you want to bring polyamory to fix it even more that home is split okay and i tell this to to all couples you got to make sure that your relationship is so airtight and so a one that when you introduce yourself to a polyamorous individual or polyamorous couple that the communication is clearer than a glass of water.
I hope that makes sense to your audience. Two, make sure you get tested. I can't even tell you how many times I've talked to cup-colding couples, monogamous couples who want to get into polyamory or swinging, and they have never got tested because, oh, well, they're the only partner I have sex with. Newsflash, STDs and STIs do happen even if you're monogamous. And I put that with air quotes because people lie. Yes, air quotes are needed. Air quotes are needed.
So getting tested is extremely important, not just in polyamorous lifestyles, but in all sexual lifestyles, get tested. And be prepared to have those conversations like people like myself who have HSV or who have a history of, you know, any type of sexual health. You know, get ready to have those conversations. Because again, in polyamory especially, transparency is everything. And that brings it down to the third thing.
Be ready to be vulnerable, transparent, get ready to overcome a lot of obstacles that you thought you never were going to endure. They're going to come with that. Some people don't handle jealousy well, but they start finding different ways in communication to open it up more. Okay. You're going to find yourself jealous at one point, but you're going to have to realize that and recognize that and be vocal. That brings in the transparency part.
You're going to have to be transparent with your partner and not just put your partner first, but put yourself first too. I hear a lot of couples in cuckolding, especially where they always say, well, I'm doing this for my wife because my wife wants to do this. What about you? What do you want to do? Are you really comfortable in seeing your wife fuck another person?
Better yet, what if your wife doesn't want to bring you in the bedroom to sit in the corner and watch and she's going to go off and have a date you know somewhere else or have a weekend or a vacation for an extended time are you going to be 100 okay with that also i don't believe in this whole opp thing one penis one pussy policy that's not polyamory what is that what is that where where in polyamory i've heard these couples and i don't believe they're polyamorous at all that's someone who's trying to put rules in a relationship that is just fucking bullshit where they say oh you can date oh you're bisexual well my dick is the only dick you're fucking in this polyamorous relationship but i can have all the pussy in the world oh i can fuck whoever i want that's that's the one penis one pussy policy and i don't believe that in polyamory i don't believe that in any type of lifestyle where free love is given yeah you know because now you're limiting someone's sexual interest the sir knows i kind of have a one pussy policy or one penis policy but that's my chosen thing you know or two penis policy because the other only man that i do fuck is david um but with that said i'm not going to limit my man to say this is the only pussy you're fucking like please go have sex with my girlfriend please go have sex with other women but if she if I feel a vibe and this has happened many times or not many times but a few times where he has gone out on a date and I meet the girl and I'm like I don't like her but she's cool a couple months later you were right yeah so it's like I'm not gonna dictate who my partners fuck you know I'm not gonna dictate that Thank you.
you were right. So it's like, I'm not going to dictate who my partners fuck. I'm not going to dictate that, but I'm also not going to lie to myself and my feelings and not let my partners know I'm uncomfortable. So be transparent at all times. Venus, before you shut down, I got a quick question for you, Ms. Saf.
ben is like pretty dominant right miss f not pretty he is very okay he is very dominant um are there like and i've i've heard you on moan you know like um you could be pretty dominant as well and i know guys like kind of want to submit to you as well. So do like, and you're in the adult industry. So I'm sure like submissive guys come up to you.
Have cucks came up to you wanting to submit to, you know, be a cuck as within you and Ben's relationship at, all like you know the discussion of cuckolding from what i last experienced it's not something that the sir and i are necessarily interested in um we're interested in a lot of aspects like we we definitely like he knows i would like two men in the room kind of thing but the only way that would necessarily happen is if they are like a femboy b-o-i or uh so so like you fucking him with a strap on i would never i will never fuck ben with a strap on no no i mean i mean the the femboy like you fucking the femboy the femboy and he would fuck the femboy you know okay okay um as far as like cuckolding i've definitely had guys individually ask um you know for that but i i also am, like, I respect the cuckolding community, but it's not something that I put on my lifestyle list.
I love talking to y'all because there's a lot of interesting parallels to polyamory, which I like to introduce to the cuckolding community. But as far as like me practicing cuckolding, no, that's, I refer people, you know what I mean? I refer, like I don't, I, that's my limitation. Cuckolding facilitator. Yes.
as far as like dominating um i've been approached over the years i've definitely dominated guys on the airwaves those who have stuck long enough with me back in vivid radio they know because they still talk to this day of years i've definitely dominated guys on the airwaves those who have stuck long enough with me back in vivid radio they know because they still talk to this day of how i've done them on air and even domed them on moan you've been in spaces pugnik store where i have done some men in the room and i love it um i wouldn't call myself a dominatrix i'm a sex enthusiast and educator at the end of the day.
But it's something I'd be open to, you know, but I would never take somebody's money and call myself a dominatrix. There are sex workers for that. And at the end of the day, I'm just a sex enthusiast and entertainer. That's it. I love that. I so love what you said about making sure that your relationship is completely solid and being transparent and checking in. Actually, people should write that on their calendars.
Like, yeah, Friday after work, we're going to sit down, have a glass of wine together, and we're going to check in on our relationship. I love that. Even if you think you have nothing to talk about, just check in. I think that's so great. I'm so happy to have you on the show because I had a friend. Oh, I have a friend who was in a poly relationship, and it sounded quite complicated. And I asked him, like, how easy is it to kind of incorporate this kind of relationship?
And he was like, it's not easy. It's complicated. So I've always been like, okay, well, I know that. I know that it can be tricky. And it sounds like there's several things, pillars that need to be in place in order to have like a solid foundation for this kind of relationship. And I love the advice that you gave for people. But it sounds like if this works for you and that the rewards can be amazing.
Like it just, I love that idea of having different kinds of love in your life and how beneficial that can be for a person. Polyamory is work. Okay. It's work. You think being in a relationship with just one person is hard? Try having a relationship with more than one person. Trying to schedule with calendars, work schedules, sickness, family things. It's work. It's a lot of work.
And then on top of that, you look at the date calendar because, you know, the Google calendar, as you know, I show people and I can even take a screenshot as an example. My entire months are filled. OK, like I know right now for a fact, my sir is at a D&D Dungeons and Dragons meeting with his non-sexual friends.
you know that i'm in a meeting like this is our schedule like our calendar is filled for the month of july and then i share that calendar with my girlfriend so she knows like i'm out of town i'm in the interview i'm doing this i'm doing that that and this oh that's handy you just share your calendar with them our calendars you know we share calendars we share dates, all that.
So if you're not willing to put in the work in one relationship, but you think you can handle polyamory with multiple people, again, it's not for you. And it's okay. It's okay to have the fantasy of having sex with multiple people. There are other different lifestyles that you can explore, swinging, going into the open relationship category.
But with polyamory, you're going to work a little harder because, again, they are relationships that can sometimes be open, sometimes be closed, but it's a relationship at the end of the day. So if you're willing to do the work, if you're willing to be vulnerable and put that communication to handy use and not put your partner's needs, but also your needs on the forefront, try it.
And I'm always open, you know, listeners of Venus, I am always open to talk, especially on the Monap and, you know, everywhere else you can find me. Yeah. So where can people learn more about you and find your podcast and all that stuff? So Sapphire's Earplay is my podcast. You can find it virtually on every podcast platform possible. Go to Ms. Radio Sapphire. That's M-S-R-A-D-I-O-S-A-P-P-H-I-R-E dot com. Ms. Radio Sapphire and Sapphire's Earplay on Instagram.
Again, I know Venus is going to put up my link tree. So everything that you need to get connected with me, you can go right there. There's a message box on my website. Utilize that. I answer back. And you can catch me on the Monat.
That's mostly where i'll be right now as many may know sag after is on strike and i'm in solidarity and i am not doing any new episodes of sapphire's ear play um after the 30th of july i'm sticking to my guns in solidarity until the deals are met but i will be on the monap a little bit more and scheduling some more chats maybe popping into kaknik's doors rooms my work sections when i'm supposed to be reporting traffic but i always show up and i always love popping up into venus's chats in between my on-air uh business as well so i i will be more frequent onNAP, which is also under Ms.
Radio Sapphire. That's amazing. Well, I have learned so much. No, really, I'm not bullshitting. I have learned so much in this episode. You have been such a great guest. I'm so, so glad to have you on the show. Thank you so much for joining me. And thank you to Cuck Next Door for co-hosting today. Thank you. Thank you. This was a lot of fun. This was definitely a lot of fun. Miss Sapphire, best pussy, prettiest pussy, civilians or porn? Damn. Quick, quick. Honestly, it's all pussy. Okay.
Best dick, civilian or porn? My man's dick. My man's dick and David's dick. Those are glorious. Thank you, Venus. Thank you, Ms. Sapphire, for letting me come on. Definitely. And you guys could always catch me on on moan i'm on twitter as well um my at is uh nasty as they come c-u-m um but it's a cuck next cuckold next door as well so i'm not sure how you could you know look it up on a search bar um either nasty as they come or cuck next cuckold next door you could you could find on there. Yes.
And I will be linking his handle in the show notes for today too. Thank you so much, both of you. Thank you. Thank you. It's been fun. It's been fun. Thank you so much. That's going to be it for today's show. Make sure you go to venuscuckoldress.com.
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