In this important episode, Cate speaks with Steve Gagne, owner of Wicked Fun Club, a private members-only lifestyle venue in Connecticut that has recently been issued a cease and desist order by the Town of Plymouth. Only five months into a three-year lease, the club is now in the midst of a legal and political battle that raises serious questions about privacy, zoning laws, and stigma against non-monogamous communities. Steve shares what really happened, how it’s affecting the club and its members, and what the community can do to support. This episode goes beyond local politics—it's a wake-up call for everyone in the lifestyle. “This story isn’t just about one club in one town—it’s about how adult freedom, privacy, and community values clash in the real world. Whether you're in Connecticut or California, we all have a stake in the lifestyle's right to exist safely and respectfully.” ~ Cate, Wanderlust Swingers Podcast In this episode, we cover: What Wicked Fun Club is and who it serves The zoning issue and cease and desist order Tensions between the club, the landlord, and the neighboring church The broader impact on lifestyle members and safe spaces The current appeal process What support is needed from the non-monogamous community How this story affects the lifestyle space nationwide Links and Resources: Wicked Fun Club Website: https://wickedfunclub.com News article on the shutdown: NBC Connecticut Reddit review thread: r/Swingers discussion Learn about club rights: https://ncsfreedom.org Stay Connected: Instagram: @swingingdownunder Twitter: @swingdownunder Website: https://wanderlustswingers.com Enjoying the show? Please , share, and leave us a review wherever you listen. Your support helps amplify important conversations like this one.
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You're listening to the Wanderlust Swingers Podcast with Aussie hosts, Kate and Daryl. If you're curious about exploring your sexuality or the swinging, hot-wifing, and non-monogamous lifestyle, you've definitely come to the right podcast. Or maybe you just love travel adventures. Either way, we share our personal, sometimes juicy, sexy stories as well as Swingers Club and event reviews, interviews with other sassy people and of course our global swinging adventures.
We try to bring you a look into the diverse lifestyle that the swinging and non-monogamous community has. We hope you enjoy, now let's get into the episode. G'day everyone and welcome back to another episode of The Wanderlust Swingers. Today, we're diving into a battle that blends local politics, lifestyle freedoms, and the age-old fight for private rights.
I'm joined by Steve Gagney, the owner of Wicked Fun Club, a private members club for consenting adults that's recently found itself in the crosshairs of a small-town crackdown in Connecticut. Welcome to the show, Steve. Thank you, Kate. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here, and I'm looking forward to having this great conversation with you.
Yeah, we're really excited to have you on the show, Steve, especially because I think this does impact all of us, which leads me to my soapbox, if you'll allow me the moment to do so.
But if you're listening and you think this doesn't involve you, then please again the lifestyle club and events ecosystem is extremely delicate and these issues can have a domino effect this isn't about which political party you vote for this is about your rights to express your sexuality in a healthy and safe way that is me on the soapbox i really want to make sure that you guys listen to this entire episode as you know we host events around the world we frequent lifestyle clubs around the world and this impacts all of us so please do me a favor spend the next 25 minutes with steve and i as we run through really what's happening up in connecticut that is a domino effect but let's talk to steve first about your personal experience what you're doing so you own the wicked fun club how did it start and how long have you owned and operated it for okay so i've been in the lifestyle for about 10 years we first started frequenting a club before we started swinging locally and i I'll see you next time.
And how long have you owned and operated it for? Okay, so I've been in the lifestyle for about 10 years. We first started frequenting a club before we started swinging locally. And I have owned businesses, so I see the financial potential in a business. So I finally decided to jump in because one of my other businesses was going a little slow. So I decided, okay, now's the time to go ahead and jump into opening a club.
So we scoured the Internet for possible properties, found something that fit our needs, researched the zoning regulations in that town, found that it was possible location. It was a, you know, it was a viable location, signed the lease and we opened up our doors back in November of 24. Ten years you've been in the lifestyle. That's actually the same.
I think I'm 11 years of my partner partner so we're roughly about the the same time must have been something in the water back then steve are you a connecticut born and bred local or did you move there was there like when you looked for the venue the real estate potential for this did you have to move to connecticut to do this or were you already a local there for for many many years no born and raised here uh wife and i moved uh to california for a few years so she can go to school and we end up coming back.
So we've been here. We've been back in Connecticut since 2002. So this is home. I have to admit something to you. I've never visited. I actually have some people in industry, people that I know there that have been trying to get me to visit for quite some time. So maybe I'll have to pop up and say hello one of these days.
Now, you mentioned that it was late last year that you kind of kicked off how many members have you managed to grow to in in that short amount of time right now we have over 200 members it's not just the club but it's also uh we have a social website as well so the membership is growing at a pace that i'm comfortable with because i vet everybody that comes through especially some the single men we have a lot of applicants that are single men that we just reject uh we vet them we want to make sure they they're certified they're validated people can vouch for them but right now we have uh 200 active members great no i love i love that and this kind of does lead back to the fact that these are private members clubs and that we use that term very specifically for a reason.
So when we start to talk about the legal landscape, that's where this really comes into play. It's not just anybody has access to these places. You do have to submit an application and go through a moderation team or, as you just mentioned, Steve, you have to go through the owner themselves to be vetted, to be approved.
So let let's talk about what's happening right I've alluded to it you're in the middle of this uh legal storm so while Wicked Fun Club may be a place for connection exploration and community which is what we believe lifestyle clubs to be about it's also the center of a very public and very political controversy there's been a lot of articles about this in the news and in early April so five months five months into your three-month lease, if I'm not wrong, the town of Plymouth issued you a cease and desist order accusing you of violating local zoning laws.
So behind legal language, though, I believe lies a deeper question. Is it about permits or is it about prejudice? So let's unpack what's really going on from the church next door, which I understand is a parking lot conversation or dispute. Find out exactly what law the town thinks that you and your members are breaking. So what happened, Steve? What happened to, I guess, trigger the shutdown? Where did this all begin?
Well, to first start off, before we even sign the lease for that location, we did our homework. As far as the state of Connecticut is concerned, social clubs aren't regulated like open businesses. So we have more freedoms. So we are a private membership, only social club. So therefore, there's just not a whole lot of regulation. So then going to the town of Plymouth, looking to see if we had to pull a permit, I called the zoning department and they asked, you know, what we were doing.
I said, we're a social club, private members, only social club. They said, you don't have to pull a permit. Great. We checked the zoning regulation. And the zoning regulations specify adult use regulations for adult use businesses. We did not fall in line with their definition of adult use. Other towns have more detailed regulations where we would have to fall under regulations of a special permit, not the town of Plymouth.
So I don't want to say I saw that as an open invitation, but I saw that as, okay, we could do business here. We opened up in November, and according to news reports with the interviews with the pastor, he said he noticed cars in our parking lot on Friday and Saturday night. So he decided to take it upon himself on February 1st to stake out our space in our parking lot and then stop one of our patrons, ask what they were doing there.
They showed them their ticket that they have for the evening, saw our website, saw our name, saw what the event was, and then immediately took that to his his town counselor and then they in turn took it to the police department the plymouth police then started their investigation for about a month and a half so before you get on to the next part steve i gotta ask a i guess a relatively simple question it seems to me but what do they give a crap if you've got cars in in your parking lot at an evening i mean is the church open at night time like why was somebody physically there from from a business right a business next door wondering what you're going on in your car park you'd have to ask pastor tony about that because he explained in an interview that when cars park at night on a friday and saturday night between 9 and 2 a.m he knows what goes on in places like that so he must have some kind of interesting google search history on his own computer that makes him assume what we're doing there okay so then they go in they launch this investigation sometime in you know february you get served the cease and desist in april so what are they claiming you're violating steve so if you fast forward to march 17th i got a phone call from the plymouth police department and the officer asked if i can come down to the station to answer some questions but don't worry i'm not in any trouble which i know because we're not doing anything illegal so i told him i said just meet at the club he already knew about the club so he's like yeah okay so he met up he met us at the club we walked around he just said hey uh this place looks clean it's just adult people doing their thing just letting you know i'm finishing my investigation you're the last person i have to talk to and also we haven't found any criminal activity at all happening at your club you may have an issue with the town with zoning, but I'm not an attorney, so I don't know.
And then he told us that the city attorney was actually going to be putting a cease and desist on us. So then we started contacting the city or the town attorney to find out what was going on to see if we could mitigate the problem before it got any bigger. Right.
So they were actually first coming at you trying to find some sort of criminal issue because then that's how they could attack you right so i'm assuming they were looking for things like drugs weapon you know illegal prostitution or something to that effect and then they could then use that avenue or that route to come at you but they were of course unable to find anything because as you said it's a private members club with adults doing adults things behind doors, just because it's a facility like this doesn't mean it's, you know, there's anything illegal happening.
So that's, that's really interesting. So they, the fast forward, they did that, they couldn't find anything. And then all of a sudden, the cease and desist kind of arrives on your doorstep. Right. So, yeah, we've had my, my wife who knows the town attorney, we're emailing back and forth, and he basically made a blanket statement that I was selling sex. If that was the case, then I would have been arrested, so I'm not selling sex.
Peace and desist, there are definitions of regulated businesses in the town of Plymouth, and they go as follows. There's an adult bookstore, there's an adult cabaret, there's an adult theater, and then there's an adult mini theater. They violated us on a definition of specified sexual activities, which is outlined in the only regulation of adult cabaret, which has to deal with strippers, live entertainment, the license of selling alcohol and food, which does not pertain to us at all.
We are a private social club. Those businesses are open to the public. Even if they call them private, there's still, you know, there's like a drink minimum or there's a door fee. We are private membership only social club. And they're trying to get away from that because in an email that the town attorney sent to my wife, it says the product you're selling is sex.
So even if your business does not neatly fit within the exact parameters of the regulation, I don't think there can be any dispute that you're operating a business, which is an adult use. He specifically states your business does not neatly fit within the regulation. So therefore game over, end of story, the cease and desist is illegal. This is nothing but pure harassment. It's not my backyard mentality because we're close to a church. It doesn't matter because there's houses behind the church.
You're going to start regulating people having sex in their house or the Polish club, just a little over half a mile down the road that has stag parties with strippers or the motel across the street that's been known for decades, the house prostitutes or where prostitution happened. But they're pointing their fingers at us with bogus claims because that's the directive that he got from the mayor. And he told my wife, I have my orders from the mayor. Yeah. And why, Steve, this is concerning.
I mean, there's a multitude of reasons this is concerning. But a few that come to the top of my head. One is the assumption that you're selling sex because what we know often is that these lifestyle spaces are spaces for us to be ourselves. And you get people that come in, want to be in a friendly atmosphere, maybe just interact with their partner only or not at all, and then depart.
You know, just because you're entering the premises does not necessarily mean that you're engaging in any intimate acts with your spouse or other people so that in itself just shows how energy uneducated these people are but the second part of that is you know if that's their claims that you're running you're selling sex because you're facilitating an atmosphere or a venue i mean how far do we take it then to perhaps people that operate tantra businesses, you know, where they are enabling couples to become more intimate with each other?
I mean, could that then be reclassified as selling sex? You know, there's a multitude of issues here, but I think those are the crux. I mean, my lifestyle takeovers, do people, do consenting adults do things themselves? Absolutely.
But by me opening and facilitating that venue, does that mean i'm facilitating and selling sex you know so this is where i guess the this is a a real issue so let's talk about your your landlord and your lease and things of that nature so we've got the zoning board think that there's an issue here what about your landlord what's your landlord's you know do they have a position do they not care are they supportive what are they saying about Well, thanks to the town of Plymouth, they went ahead and notified my landlord what we do there.
And he was none too happy, even though the real estate agent that I had that brokered the deal for us, I specifically told him, I said, we are a private members only social club where like-minded individuals, all spectrums of life come gather and have fun a couple nights a week. That's it. What we do inside those private doors is no one's business. Whether we're playing chess, it's a book club, or throwing darts, it doesn't matter. We're respecting the property, and it doesn't matter.
So he felt like he was deceived, but I never had a conversation with him until the contract contract was signed and all my conversations went to the realtor the broker who brokered the deal so i never was deceiving to him at all but he was unhappy but i did have a conversation with him um once uh once the police notified me i waited a couple days i need to gather my thoughts and decide what i was going to say to him so he was cordial respectful told me he was unhappy i explained the situation and then i explained who we are what we do and what we're about uh the type of people that come in we don't just take anybody off the street you know it's it's a membership only club i vet people i gave him the whole story and he's like that's what you to tell the mayor.
That's what you need to tell the Zoning Board of Appeals. So it seemed like I had him turned around and on my side. But when it comes down to it at the Zoning Board of Appeals, I don't know where he stands. But we do have a three-year lease. And we're not violating any aspects of the lease because we're not a nuisance. We pay our bills. So, you know, whether he likes it or not, he's stuck with us. If he wants to take us to court and evict us, it's just going to cost him time and money.
And more than likely, again, we're probably going to end up winning. I know we're going to win in court if we lose the ZBA, the Zoning Board of Appeals, because those are just the members of the board are political appointees. They're not elected officials. But if they say no to us, very next day, we're filing a lawsuit against the town and we're taken to the court. And then they have to defend their position.
And a judge will rule in our favor because there's case law in the state of Connecticut that shows that we are in the right and we have more freedom and less regulations for social clubs. And actually, I do want to talk about precedence in a little bit, but I guess my question next is, so this is all kind of unraveling. You get issued the cease and desist where you were kind of you were pre-warned, I guess, by the police officer or the detective that came out.
Did the town give you a chance to respond or rectify what they thought the issues were or did this just come down the barrel and you had no other option but to then appeal it because I know that you've got an appeal that's in process and I'd love to hear about the status of that but did you get any moment where there was some communication to talk to them like you did the landlord talk to them about what the private members social club is actually about versus maybe what their thought it was about or their misunderstanding of it what happened in that area or did was it just a thanks for playing here's here's your shutdown notice no i the thing between my wife and i were both fighters we just don't back down so it was that very same day that we spoke to the police officer at the club that we reached out to the town attorney.
The funny thing is my wife used to intern for him when he was on the state legislator when she was back in college. So they they know each other and they respect each other. So she reached out to him and it took him a couple of days to get back to us. But they started communicating. And, you know, my wife has really good arguments. She's a litigator and she knows the law. He was taking his word that he said is he has his marching orders.
Knowing I take that knows they're wrong, but he has to do this anyway.
So there were some back and forth and we actually use the email in our appeal, the Zoning Board of Appeals, where he don't fit into this you know this regulation but we're still doing it right what's happening with the appeal right now so you're finding back you you lodged this appeal what is the status of that where where are you at with that so right now during the appeal process because there's no imminent danger to property or person we are allowed to stay open during the appeal process appeals is is at plymouth town hall on uh april 29th at seven o'clock and we'll present our case we're gonna have my wife argue i'll argue we're also gonna have a representative from the National Coalition of Sexual Freedom speak.
Whether they let them speak or not, I don't know, because there's some laws that you have to be a resident of the town to speak. But I know they're going to be here for us. And from there, we're going to argue our case to the Zoning Board of Appeals, and they'll decide right there and then if they have enough evidence to say yes or no. But we're asking them to look at the letter of the law the way it sits, because that's the right thing to do.
Go by what the law says, then they should be voting yes for us and no for the cease and desist. But knowing how things like this go, we're ready for them to say no. We're going to take them to court. We're going to win.
And not only are we going to take them to state court for that, we are debating, well, not debating, we're more than likely we're going to take them to federal court for violating our First Amendment rights or defamation, harassment, but they're definitely going to be going to court.
So our goal right now is we're going to be talking again with the town attorney saying, drop this now, save your town tens of thousands of dollars in litigation, not only to defend your cease and desist, but the harassment lawsuit, violating our First Amendment rights, defamation lawsuit, all that can go away. Just drop all this and leave us alone. We never wanted this to be public.
We never wanted to be out there we warned them you do this it's gonna go public everyone's gonna know i didn't know it's gonna go to this extreme but it didn't here we are so right we're gonna try to continue to negotiate between now and the day of the zba meeting they just haven't dropped this whole thing because it's preposterous they have absolutely no leg to stand on and it's it's just a looping battle for them if for argument's sake you you were there you stated your case your partner stated their case whether or not the national coalition of sexual freedom speak or not is it possible that they could say you know what you were right we were wrong and and off you go and have a great day is is that something that's in likelihood anything's possible okay well we'll hope for that i don't i don't want to litigate no steve i have to be honest you sound like you you said before you're partnering yourself you're fighters i i am extremely impressed by your ability to say this is a situation we find ourselves in but we know we're in the right and we're going to fight it and hey we weren't expecting it to go as public as it did it has what can we do about it nothing we continue to fight that i don't know whether i would be able to handle this steve i think i would crumble into a million pieces and i think the fact that your partner and yourself are standing up for what you know to be right is is just amazing so i want to give you some kudos to that before we talk about the next step but you mentioned before there's some precedents tell me about that what is what is the precedence either in connecticut itself or nearby states all right i'll give an example of some case law in Connecticut.
In the state of Connecticut, you cannot smoke in a public restaurant, Olive Garden, whatever. So there was a case about a social club allowing their members to smoke. And the court said it's a private social club. So members pay to have access to it. State has no right to tell them they can't smoke in that space. So the social club won.
So a lot of social clubs in the state of Connecticut or even around the country, while I was smoking, they're smoking because they're private membership only social club. So that's where we fall in line.
So we don't smoke or vape in our club, but we sure have a good time good time and nobody inside there's no town that tells us we can't do that or says that we have to be within certain zoning unless they specifically state that type of activity and their town needs to have a special permit town of Plymouth doesn't have that right right geez all right let's let's talk about the impact so when headlines talk about swingers clubs and zoning laws it's easy to forget that there are real people behind the story and wicked fun club before as you mentioned it's not just a venue it's a community you have real life members so real humans with relationships friendships this is all being affected by this attack so i want to talk about setting the legal talk aside for a moment and dig into what it means for the members for you for your partner and for people who have found connection inside your walls how is it affecting your members emotionally socially you know are people scared frustrated confused what's happening in your community right now so i've lost probably just over a dozen members but i've brought on maybe half of that as new members as far as concerns they're more concerned especially when everything first broke about security outside the club.
So we had security out there and we had zero incidences. There's nobody out there protesting. When it comes down to it, nobody cares. I use social media as a barometer of what's going on in the community. On Facebook, there's a Facebook group for the town.
And this is like the number one thing that everybody's talking about and overwhelmingly most of the people say leave us alone we're not we're not bothering anybody and basically demonizing the pastor either they don't care it's like just leave them alone and maybe just a small handful are like oh go somewhere else but it's just it's 2025 it's not 1955 so it's just like here we're a very progressive state. And just people just say, mind your own business, just let them be.
So your members were a bit scared. But what you're telling me, what I'm hearing, rather, is that the community of Plymouth themselves don't really care about Wicked Fun Club's operation.
It's more that there are, it sounds like there's a person in the church and perhaps the mayor who have for whatever reason got to got to be in their monitor about this and they're the ones coming at you but the actual community members where are they in this do they have a say could the community members themselves kind of stand up at the zoning board or be there to support and say hey i'm a community member and i have no issue with this how how would that all work yeah they can show if they want to but going back is my members whether they're afraid or not i haven't heard only a couple rumblings from a couple members who are still members but everybody else is kind of like yeah you know give them a good fight uh they're really supportive but we have a really special place in our club people love to come out and and it's very special to them and it's mostly because of the members that we have not much that i've done i've just provided the space it's unlike anybody else but it's mostly the members that are great so they're giving that but as far as the public yes they have a right to come to the zba and be heard by the board members but when it comes down to it it's the clear letter of the law we have every right to be there we don't need a permit don't need we't fall under adult use.
So just they need to vote based on the law and not based on their belief or social pressure by a few people that show up that are against us. Yeah. What about yourself, Steve, and your partner? Have you personally received any kind of backlash or harassment from the community or other people surrounding you? How has this kind of affected yourself personally?
try to stay off the internet but on that one community page on facebook i did post an open letter to my members and the community and i sat there for a few hours i just as comments were coming in just answered all the comments that i could and graciously as possible i treated people no differently um and again it was just like a like, a lot of people just don't understand. So it's whatever they don't understand, they don't like.
So I invited people to try to understand at least our point of view. But it was good dialogue. The dialogue is still going on. I just don't jump on it anymore. Oh, no, any personal stuff? No, because I stay on social media. My wife has. My wife has gotten some backlash from some family members because they thought it was embarrassing for them. They kind of made themselves victims when we're the ones getting all the attention. And my wife is getting more grief than I am. I just don't care.
I never asked to be the face of this thing. But apparently I here I am. I am doing it. And there was one news report where they were just reading a quote from a press release I gave them. the pastor was actually being interviewed. I'm like, well, the narrative, I have to control the narrative. So I started getting, you know, I started interviewing with the media and with the press and with the radio. And I'm like, I have to control the narrative of how this goes.
I can't just do it via press release. It's been a pretty good experience for me.
On the other the other side I like a good fight especially a good fight that I know I'm right at because again I tell it would not have signed this lease if I knew we weren't right we'd be somewhere else but I kind of knew that we were going to get some sort of backlash that people were going to be all up in arms that we were there and eventually I have to defend myself but again I just still knew we were on the right i just didn't know it was going to happen this fast and this big yeah but again here we are jeez i tell you you've you're amazing me steve again like i think i would be in a million pieces probably drinking wine and eating chocolate on on the floor at this point but it's it sounds it sounds like you're not going to back down and it sounds like you've got a really supportive community behind that are saying, hey, thank you for being, as much as you don't want to be the face of this, thank you for being the face and standing up for us.
So I, again, really appreciate that. Okay, Steve, I want to talk about what's next. So you're fully prepared to go to the zoning board. You're going to attempt to get them to stop with the silliness before that happens. But now that we've heard what's happening and how it's impacting real people, I want to talk about what comes next. Let's talk about the lifestyle community, how we can rally together, how we can rally with you, what support you need right now.
Now, I know that you have, as mentioned before, the National Coalition of Sexual Freedom are in your corner. What support do you need, if anything, right now from the lifestyle community? What kind of takeaway can you give us? That's a good question.
But but my honest answer is i have no idea i've never been in a situation like this i've never gone outside the community i've had people in the community come out to me and you know give me support via email or whatever or even some phone call conversations but to ask i have no idea what to ask for or what i need i think we pretty much have this locked down as far as our battle is concerned so you know i i don't my answer is i don't know i don't know what i need all right well i guess support what i'm going to ask from you steve is then please keep us in the loop if there's i mean i'm i'm hoping for a good situation out of the zoning meeting later in the month if that is not a good situation and you believe you are going to go to the next step which is court i know again national coalition of sexual freedom in there but if there's anything that you need from um some fundraising support petitions public meetings support like that please reach back out let me know and then i can i'll happily put that out in the community because again i know you didn't choose this um but unfortunately this is kind of where you've ended up unfortunately in so let's move on uh so outside of that let's talk about maybe some of the visions that you have because i don't want to end on a on a bad note but if you had a vision for wicked fun say in 2025 let's fast forward it's now december 2025 this is all going away what's your vision for wicked fun like what do you want to turn this into what do you see this community doing tell us something really special and positive that you think is going to come out of Wicked Fun in 2025.
Absolutely. After having our victory party, I plan, you know, I would imagine our membership growing and our next step, our whole plan was to have a two-year period is to find a bigger place. The place that we're at right now is just a beginner club. It's only about 1,800 square feet. So we like to move on something best at least twice the size, but build our community slowly and gradually.
So that, I would like to see us finding another location by the end of the year that's bigger than what we have right now.
Also at the end, middle of next year in 2026, we're looking at locations in Los Angeles because we plan on moving out there because our kids are going to school out there so we're looking at los angeles we'd like to open up uh some clubs and other locations as well so this is it's not just a one club thing this is a brand for multiple clubs that we plan on growing over the next i don't know five or ten years well that sounds exciting and i i do hope that all of that comes true for you and i again i like the concept of hey after we have our victory party that sounds great it sounds like it's going to be one hell of a party and i hope the community definitely turns up and shows up for you um if you if you don't know who by the way the national coalition of sexual freedom are please do head to the show notes i'm going to add their link in just so you can go and see who we keep talking about that's going to support steve because they're an amazing organisation.
We actually are coalition support members ourselves, Wanderlust slash Libertine, and I highly recommend go and check out what they're doing because they're the people that are going to come and support Steve as well as needed. So thank you so much for taking the time to listen to this episode, everyone.
I know this is not about sex, threesomes, orgies, or cum shots, but it is an important story and definitely one that needs to be shared so this story isn't about one club in one town it's about freedom privacy community values and how they clash in the real world so whether you're in connecticut or california we all have a stake in the lifestyle space and our right to exist safely and respectfully so big thanks to see you for joining us thank you so much for sharing your story about wicked fun club and again we're in your corner steve so if you need anything please do let us know thank you so much thanks for having me on all right everybody so please do check out the show notes i'm going to add the links here to wicked fun club as i said before the national coalition of sexual freedom head over there and check them out as well as a bunch of other bits and pieces so thank you again for listening for hanging in there and i really appreciate you but until next time this is the wanderlust swingers podcast and we'll see you soon
