That is one selfish ass person just looking for an in... and then to leave you hanging... what a bitch!
All I can sayI hope she drove herself. All I can say is LS is definitely a crapshoot, and
sometimes people just plain suck, and not in a good way! Keep on keepin on!
That is one selfish ass person just looking for an in... and then to leave you hanging... what a bitch!
All I can sayI hope she drove herself. All I can say is LS is definitely a crapshoot, and
sometimes people just plain suck, and not in a good way! Keep on keepin on!
FSP: Ugh, 150 miles. Yeah, totally get it. If the one you went to was our only option then we wouldn't go either and certainly wouldn't be in any hurry to seek out others, given the experience.
One of the things we have been able to do is meet a number of people like us and kind of form our own group. We are empty nesters and have a house that can accommodate some decent sized parties. Having so many party options enabled us to build up a group relatively quickly, but it does include people we've met online also.
If you're a single male and get into a party, you are halfway there. I have great success at parties here in the Chicago area. Your reputation will get around and speak for itself if you do well, or it can work the opposite if you can't perform in a condom or are a douche. Parties can change the fortune for the single make swinger if done right.
Mayhem you’re not wrong, all that you say is true and we are in somewhat of a desert when it comes to lifestyle events, the nearest large venues bring 150 miles away. One day we may try it again but it’ll be a looooooooooooooooong time till then.
I just wanted to explain why some people wouldn’t go to a party. The idea that a man who doesn’t like a party has some nefarious reason is asinine, some of us just don’t like lifestyle events.
FSP: We are fortunate as we have a fair number of options. Some parties are way better than others. We do know of one party where a number of the attendees tend to "let themselves go" as you put it, but it's not a party we attend unless we know one or more of our other friends that are going. Even at that, the regulars are generally nice and polite people even if it's not someone we'd be interested in playing with.
Many of the parties also have RSVP lists online, so you can see who's going. I can and have reached out to people that RSVPd to a party of interest to get an idea of the kind of people going and whether there would be interest on either side. There are also other factors that you just get to know from experience.
For example, we do have a nice party by us where the hosts are very nice and it is generally attended by a lot of very pretty people. The venue is OK, but if it's a young crowd, they may be nice to look at but they only play with their own partner. We don't generally attend that party either.
Judging all parties based on one experience is is like meeting one couple and expecting all of them to be more of the same. Just as in setting up online meetings with a couple, you want to do a little due diligence before attending a party.
Mayhem you may be right but in our case it was the attendees-we aren’t perfect so we don’t expect perfection in our partners, But we expected better than what we saw that night. I’m sorry but if you’ve reached that point in life where you just stop caring about your appearance then you shouldn’t be swinging, regardless of how hot your wife is.
The atmosphere was very much “fend for yourself”. No introductions or master of ceremonies running the thing, so if you didn’t know anyone you were pretty much screwed (or rather not screwed).
You could see the cliques and there was no mixing around, or very little of it. We went with another couple we had recently met so we at least had them to hang out with, until someone we had never met literally pushed my wife away from our date and started dancing on her.
After that we just left. I spent three years in Baghdad leading infantry soldiers and I would rather be back on a night patrol through a marketplace in Sadr city than relive that. It was awful and what’s worse it made my wife very, very uncomfortable. That’s why I say we will NEVER go to another party or lifestyle event again.
So I understand why some don’t want to go. I’m pretty much a ‘hot husband’ now but even if I had a hot little thing ask me to escort her to a party I’d take a hard pass.
Re:FPC
Most parties we go too are BYOB. If you get a bad drink there it's your own fault...lol You also need to look at the motivation behind the party. If there is a fee, in the vast majority of those cases the motive is to make money. Ditto with cash bars. We are not opposed to a party organizer getting a little something for the effort but tend to avoid the obvious money making ventures. Once they have your money a lot don't care if you have a good time or not.
Party perception probably has a lot to do with people's experiences growing up. For some, it was nothing to go out on a weekend with the guys and blow a couple hundred dollars drinking. If you have that sort of mindset then being someplace where you get to see titties and possibly get laid probably does look like a good deal.
We used to go to a big Meet & Greet type party in our area when we first got into the lifestyle. Unless you lived close by or knew someone that did, to actually play with people from this party meant it was a $200+ night (cover, drinks, hotel, stopping for food before/after, etc). I actually had someone there say something like, "Well where else can you find something like this. It's a deal." The term, "A fool and his money are soon parted" was the first thing that popped into my head.
Single guys were not allowed at this particular party (confusing the money motive) but even if they were, they'd probably be better off paying for sex because it would likely be cheaper and they'd at least be guaranteed to get some.
Just chiming in, albeit late, to throw out our experience.
We throw a lot of parties. They range from 3 couples to 10 couples in size. We do up to 5-6 couples at a hotel takeover, no, not one of those rooms with a bed, desk and bathroom, but a three room suite. When we get past that, it goes to a house.
Our rule of thumb for single men is one, maybe two. When at a hotel, it is always one max. When it is at a house party, and it is 10 couples, yeah, we can get a 2nd. Our rules are a lot less about the sausage fest as much as it is as bout fitting in and not being arrogant, pushy. The single men know that they are wanted, but know that they are to be pursued more than they are to pursue. I know that sounded a little harsh, but here is the way it has worked for us. There is a wonderful single male that we often invite. Why? Because he is the most non-aggressive single male we have ever met. He will get involved, but you kinda have to go get him to get him involved. He never jumps in front of another guy talking to a woman. He will join the conversation, but not make it like the other guy no longer is there. We have another guy who is similar that we invite as well.
Now in our parties, and I hate to say ALL, but it seems to be, that the women have no problem with being with more than one man that night. So the single male's balance out the downtime of other men. Some men, do not like to cum because they want to be with as many women as possible. Some men, like me, like to spend as much time with the woman as possible and do cum. That single man will be a great fill in while I am recovering :)
We will also NEVER invite a SM that we have not vetted before. We also talk to the SM and tell him expectations about the party, his role, and then see if he is interested in showing up. In all our time doing this, we have had a few that have said NO. They do prefer one on one or threesomes and that is fine. We never assume that because a guy has a penis he wants to be a prop and on call.
I can only imagine some just don’t like parties.
We tried one a few years ago and found it to be a revolting experience. Bad drinks, bad music, and just kinda trashy, but not the fun kind of trashy.
Since then we’ve been like holocaust survivors-never again.
Thanks GGMM!
I wish. I'm currently tethered and not in any sort of fun way. But I would if I could, because crashing some kind strangers' party sounds like a lot of fun. ;-)
(Yeah, I heard about that and that the storm track is doing things. Good luck!)
GGMM: What time is your flight so I know when to pick you up?
;-*
We got this silly little tropical storm being predicted to be a hurricane and slam SC/NC coast. I hope they're wrong, this has been over a month in the making.
~Allen
I'm with your SF advisor to Mrs. 888; four single men when you have 12 couples is about right. Three would be fine, but four is better. I hope it's a grand party.
Ncal: They have already RSVPed, even with a specific dish they're bringing; we hand picked and know 80% of them and even the new couples we are getting to know won't flake because they are so excited to get away from people like you who are only there to fuck a hole and leave. They have grown to be our friends over time, something you would know absolutely not-a-fucking-thing about. Some of them also enjoy the extra male's attention and we are happy to oblige by having pre-vetted quality single males attend. There is no exchange of money. You happy now dipshit?
Try me again and there will only be one left who hasn't blocked you.
888 just talking from thirty years of experience. If you really believe that all twelve couple will show up then you are very naive.
Ncal: I think there are only two of us who haven't blocked you, therefore, please stop offering your worthless shitty information...…..please.
~Allen
If you are lucky six couples will show up. Then you have twelve single men to six couples/ women. Nothing will happen.
If you want people to get naked and fuck other people dont allow in single men.
If this is about making money then the single men are the cash cows.
If you are worried about the married men getting hard on group just give them half a Viagra.
For our pool party, we talked about 3 maximum 1:4 ratio and the SF helping advise Mrs. 888 suggested 4 max, a 1:3 ratio. We have 12 couples RSVP and now we need to place 12 more single males in the mix?
~Allen
Mayhem,
We agree. We have a couple that we will meet every couple of months. We try to get 3 or 4 couples, and sprinkle in a few 3-4, but it always turns out to be 1 or 2 Single guys. 1 SM/couple is a good ratio, that we can't ever seem to achieve. The girls LOVE cock, and having a few extra to go around is always good. After the first hour or so, someone is tired, and then THEY get to work the camera :)
Of course, only the couples get to keep the movies. It may not sound fair, but that is our (collective) only RULE.
OP. We know of a few guys that dislike parties, and are not cheaters. Some are just very shy. Many have performance or size issues. Some just like to watch someone else fuck their wife. Since we are a couple, my wife wants to get fucked too. And she likes more than 1 guy at a time. So, we have learned to avoid couples that don't like parties based on our own experiences. Besides, we like group sex. You Mileage May Vary.
A LOT will depend on the crowd. For us, we know all of the people we invite. We have women that enjoy multiple men and we also know a number of SFs as well. For a party of around 20 we don't have a problem with 4 or 5 of them being SMs as an approximate ratio, but again, it REALLY depends on the people attending. In our case we may have multiple women that have no problem playing with 5 or 6 guys (or more) over the course of a night.
Also depends on the guys. Some guys are one and done, or as much as they try, can only do 2 or maybe 3 girls on a good night. We have guys that can do as many as 8 women in an evening. We also have some case of hubbies that mostly just like to watch their Mrs have fun. Too many variables and not enough data to really answer your question, but you get the idea.
Throw a house party and half the couples dont show up but all the single men do. Single men have destroyed swinging.
We NEVER go to a house party with single men
When throwing a house party, some couples prefer threesomes rather than foursomes or group play. How do you determine how many single males to throw into the mix for or is there a basic safe rule of say 1:6 ratio when trying to prevent “SM overcrowding effect”.
~Allen
We just want sex, that is called swinging. We hate the lifestyle experience of having to socialize for hours before the sex starts. Sex at midnight is terrible we have to be up at 6am for work.
Swinging is for sex only and the sex starts at a party almost as soon as everyone show up. Sex at 7pm and everyone is done by midnight is the only way to go!!
The lifestyle SUCKS!!
