HWP

I thought he meant he couldn’t see his toes when he had an erection in front of him, blocking his view. My comment was about him having self restraint long enough to look down. My bad.

~Allen

"So few men can see their toes..lol for me i only have that problem when i have an erection!!"

So, what you're saying is that your dick is so small that you stand with your pelvis thrust forward when you have wood so everyone can see that you really do have a dick but then you then can't see your toes.

Yeah, sounds like a problem to me too.

HWP is not judgmental. Its a term used to say that one does not find fat people sexy. Not sexy = we don't want to have sex with fat people
Only in America have our brains been so destroyed by the liberal media when the truth is offensive.

888 I am qualified to know what HWP means. We are epidemiologist and do the science for everything that increases someone's' risk of death. The exercise of looking down to see if you can see your toes was the medical procedure to determine if someone was overweight until BMI came out.

We don’t use terms of exclusion in our profile, we simply state that physical attraction is important. What we find attractive may be very different from what others do. We are both in decent shape and tend to find that appealing in others. That is just OUR preference.

What we find annoying are those who insist we are somehow “missing out” or in the LS for the wrong reasons.

If meeting others where a mutual attraction leads to fulfilling fantasies of consensual non monogamy isn’t the right reason to be in the LS, I guess we’ve been doing it wrong the whole time.

~S~

ya know, after reading all the comments regarding the whole HWP topic, I realized that the more I read, the more I realized that (to me, at least) the HWP comment is pretty negative and conveys an overly selective or narrow view. We are guilty of it too, because the 2nd line of our profile read "We prefer height and weight proportionate people. (Does that even mean anything anymore?) " This was originally posted in a joking manner, but now...I am removing it from our profile altogether and will replace it with wording that doesn't convey such a judgmental attitude towards others appearances.

Now, to preclude others taking this post personally, our disclaimer is that we are not judging anyone, just reacting to our take on the "HWP" topic, we are just doing us and as it happens in life, "us" have been affected by all of you, not always a good thing...or bad, but affected none the less.
We always hope everyone in the lifestyle finds and gets exactly what your looking for.

"Do you really see yourself as qualified to tell others what is and is not offensive, and what we should and should not apologize for? That's such a personal thing, determined by a wide ranging complex of nuanced influences, it's impossible for us to imagine making that decision in all but the most egregious instances (such as overt bigotry, threats of violence, or being NY Yankees fans). "

Crazy: You've always had an extra sensitivity to generalizations, but I'll try to be more accommodating to your extreme sensitivities and treat them accordingly if you try not to be hypocritic, because quite frankly, who the hell are you to even ask me if I am qualified or not? Do you see yourself in such a stature or carry qualifications or credentials to question the qualifications of others and to determine whether or not something said should or shouldn't be taken in bad light by others and remove a just opinion? If something as simple as seeing a question raised is impossible for you, then who are you to say it is impossible for others to answer it? If raising questions become offensive, then the only one's taking things personal are the ones who take everything beyond extreme.

"We're sure you'll reply with something insulting, and that's OK. We're happy just to raise the question with the hope that in some moment of quiet introspection you'll question yourself. You may, if you like, consider us appropriately pre-chastised."

Crazy: You're hoping I do self check by you pre-emptively carrying out an insult on me? Poking the bear, which is quite stupid on it's face, never yields anything but self preserve. You wield a sharp keyboard...lol

~Allen

Then keep your mouth off it long enough take a peek....lol

So few men can see their toes..lol for me i only have that problem when i have an erection!!

HWP = Horny Woman’s Pussy

Mrs U

"Rabbit, calm down, I want(sic) throwing shade at you two. "

If you say so, but if that's the case be more careful in how you write something.

Starting a post out with "Scamp" and then writing a long post with no paragraph breaks while constantly saying "you, you, you" it certainly looks like it's all directed at the person you initially addressed it to.

Just sayin'

~rabbit~

Fokker, you said nothing offensive anywhere in this thread, stop apologizing, it places you beneath the illiterate king troll; you're better than that.

Scamp, I think we are all in agreement that if someone is not for you, who cares moves on, there is someone out there.

I didn’t mean to offend you both, my apologies if it came across that way.

FWIW, we get rejected a lot, likely for me being too old or balding or for having facial hair but the difference is, I don’t expect them to change their minds just because I have a sparkling personality.

Ok, quit chuckling you knuckleheads.

~S~

Rabbit, calm down, I want throwing shade at you two.
I Iwas stating my opinion, I am entitled to that.
You don’t have to take it personally. I don’t think you two fit what I was describing. I am pretty sure you two do it together (when not playing seperate) as a way of enhancing your relationship. You two were not who I was referring to.

“If all you are interested in is the ‘hardcore’ swinging aka bedpost notching. Hey the more power to you.”

So because we prefer to meet couples that we are attracted to in order to have sex, we are “bed post notchers”? Actually, your approach of not caring about body type or physical attraction sounds more like notching bedposts than our being selective but hey, you do you and have fun!

~S~

"Every time this issue comes up on these forums, we always have a whole group of people condemn those who are, shall we say, 'body conscious.'"

Eh. Not really. From my experience, it's actually one group expressing a preference and then being surprised that their preference and the criteria they use eliminate them from any consideration by others who have different criteria.

Like who you like, judge by whatever metrics suit you. That's what I'm doing when I sort HWP focused people into my nope pile, so why would I care what standards you have, except that some serve to eliminate you?

Really Fokks? I would think that we have been posting long enough for you to have a basic idea about our relationship and that we are completely into each other and sharing each other.

No digs at Scamp are warranted regarding why he's into this swing thing.

A once active poster once coined the phrase "sport fucking" and that pretty much sums it up for us.

It's great when we end up friends with people we have sex with but its not a requirement of ours.

What IS required is physical attraction and enough personality to keep our attention.

We live in a tourist town and get loads of emails from people wanting to meet. If we aren't initially attracted to their pics then we turn them down.

I don't care if their personalities are great. They are in town for a short time and we would just be wasting their potential playtime since physical attraction is important to us.

Neither of us are ashamed in the least bit to admit we are in this together for hot sex with hot people, be it a couple, SM, SF or some combination thereof.

If you want to call us bedpost notchers, that's fine, even if I don't think that really pertains to us because we are particular about who we fuck and are into quality over quantity.

You can even lump us into the class of people you call "PPPs" ("pretty people posse" for the uninitiated).

This is about sex. It's about what turns individuals on and makes them feel good. We like to have sex with physically fit people. It's what we like.

Scamp wasn't wrong about comparing this to the whole "bi guy" thing.

We have no interest in playing with a bi guy and Scamp isn't going to change his sexual preference to provide bi guys with more playmates nor are we going to change the physical types we are attracted to simply to add ourselves to others' fuck pools.

We too have seen, and been contacted by, couples that insist they want only HWP while (in our opinion) they don't fit that mould themselves.

We simply move along/nicely turn them down. They want what they want and we hope they get it. It's just not going to be with us and we are completely unashamed of our preferences.

~rabbit~

Scamp no you shouldn’t be attracted to the same type I am. I honestly don’t have a type it’s all over the place. My reasons for being in the LS are to have fun with Mrs F and others. Whether that fun is socializing or play it will depend on the situation. If all you are interested in is the ‘hardcore’ swinging aka bedpost notching. Hey the more power to you. Find all the hot couples you want. Although at the point is it really about the activity of doing something with your partner together or are you just in it for the fucking.
I just know that we have seen way too many cases where the wife was ok and the husband was a total loss but they required HWP.

LOL, R_N_S …

Like I have said before, if I want to put in my profile that my only interest is in having sex with a giraffe, people should just accept my right to make my own choices and move right on … unless, of course, they happen to have a pet giraffe!

Like you, I believe that this LS is all about accepting other people's rights to make choices, and enjoy whatever it is that they happen to enjoy.

Perhaps the complainers could riddle me this … IF what I really want is sex with a giraffe, should I not be totally upfront about it, and thereby avoid wasting anyone's time?

“I see those who only play with ‘fit’ or ‘athletuc’ (sic) or ‘HWP’ I get the feeling that they may be into the LS for all the wrong reasons.”

And what are the right reasons? Yours?

This conversation comes up a lot and I agree 100% with Sheplays. Physical attraction is subjective and what you prioritize may be different from me but we each should be able to choose without being told we are doing it wrong.

This has become like the bi male argument, am I supposed to become attracted to a certain body type just because you are?

~S~

Does that work for feet/leg amputees?

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPHECY

HWP for men is simple stand up straight and then look down. Can you see your toes or shoes. If so you are HWP. but you must stand up straight and look straight down.

Wait, what? HWP in profiles doesn't mean Horny White People?

I guess I learned something today.

Height weight proportional is, to me, a total misnomer since "weight" may not correlate to body fat. For example, one of our sons in the USMC was home for Memorial Day weekend and they were discussing the height weight scale used by the USMC. He is almost a foot taller than my husband (6'4"/5'5) and they both weigh about 180, but my husband has been a gym rat all his life and has less body fat - like none visible at all.

Anyway, when I see "HWP" I interpret that to mean what might otherwise be called, "in pretty good shape."

Every time this issue comes up on these forums, we always have a whole group of people condemn those who are, shall we say, "body conscious." I simply don't understand that … for recreational sex, all I ever intend to know about a guy is what I see, and if what I see doesn't turn me on, why would I be interested?

To me, it's like everything else LS related … you figure out what you want and go for that. Blonde, brunette, big boobs, little boobs, pleasingly plump, svelt, black, white, average, hung like a horse, … whatever. I don't want to be with anyone who doesn't want me, and I'm damn sure not going to hook up with any man I don't find attractive.