Kissing

kissing is as much fun as sex.......really gets the temperature up

Some of the old posts on covid are outrageous! Hydroxychloroquine is good, no big deal, just like the flu. Wow! Sorry, I look to the most reliable scientists and doctors.

We meet a lot of people at parties, and now that I know bettter, I always ask when with a new partner if kissing is OK. When we first started, I wouldn't have thought that BJs and fucking were OK but kissing was not, but it definitely is a thing for some people.

Some of you are in a cult.

Kissing is our absolute favorite thing. I’ve only run into a few couples who said no kissing and it is definitely a red flag and a deal breaker for me.

Mayhem: congratulations on staying sane. Wow.

Again, you can find someone to support just about any idea, but from skimming a few things from Google, people dying at home are not appearing in the Covid death counts as far as I can tell.

So while motivation may artificially increase the number of Covid deaths, other factors may balance that out. There have been an increase of calls for people dying at home, probably because they're afraid to go to the hospital.

@J & E, I was really trying to avoid getting too deep into this. Ok, people die from pneumonia resulting from the flu, not the flu. I’m not a medical professional and that really was a major sidetrack of the point I was making. If it’s a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000. This was my point. This is why there are an exuberant amount of deaths listed as covid.

@ New_and_Naughty

I believe this guy is nationally syndicated. Brian Suits, before taking a job as a talk show host was a phlebotomist. His statement on deaths in the hospital where he worked was that people DO NOT die from the flu. What they die from is pneumonia.

So death certificates will list the cause of death as PNEUMONIA, or currently as COVID-19 to line the pockets of manufacturers of the vaccine when it becomes widely available. That skews the statistics. Suits recommendation was for people to get a pneumococcal vaccine. It is inexpensive and guards against contracting pneumonia for many years. I’m quite surprised that this way of protecting against this virus hasn’t been widely discussed. It’s probably a better solution than hydroxychloroquine. It has been reported that those who have died generally have contracted pneumonia, while those who have recovered speak of the chest pains they experienced.

Years ago there was also a widely available remedy called antiphlogistine that was a cure for bronchitis and potentially for pneumonia. The original formula is no longer available. It was applied like a pink plaster on the chest then covered with a cloth to keep it from soiling the clothing. It was inexpensive and available without a prescription. Instead more expensive and less effective patent medicines line drug store shelves.

The reports of people having breathing problems ARE NOT indications of the coronavirus. They are indications that the virus has introduced pneumonia as a complication, which can be fatal.

“ once you’re doing it you might as well have a blast and leave limitations at home. ”

This is key, otherwise it is just mechanical and unexciting.

~Allen

mayhem8 we don't know anyone who died from COVID19. In fact we don't know anyone who has had it. Now we have heard of people in a I know someone who knows someone kind of way but no one we know personally has had it much less died from it. BTW we do know people who died from the flu or at least complications from having the flu which is what they list on the death certificate. In other words they died from pneumonia (listed on the certificate) brought about from having the flu. None of this means that COVID19 is any more or less dangerous than the flu but it does bring in another perspective.

As far as kissing goes we are not any more or less likely to do so because of viral fears. The wife simply finds it a little distracting and feels a mount is better used in other ways for pleasure.

Agree 100%! Odds are most of us have already had it and chalked it up to allergies. Who knows? I respect the people that want to wait a few more months and also respect the people already back at it. However, once you’re doing it you might as well have a blast and leave limitations at home. Aside from any rules a couple had before all this jazz started of course.

Yeah, it's crazy on how much variation there is in the supposed "facts" ;-) For most people, it probably presents no more risks than the flu. Based on the world-wide havoc this has created though, it's definitely not like "the usual flu" as some would have us believe.

More on topic, once we decide we're going to play again we personally wouldn't exlude kissing. At least for me, sex is a very aerobic activity so if I or the other person I'm playing with had the virus, it's very likely I'd get it/pass it on whether we kissed or not.

Mayhem, I don’t agree or disagree with what you’re saying. Let’s be honest, anybody can google any topic and find a doctor or expert willing to give an opinion that the person is looking for. Is this strain of corona worse than the common flu? I’d say probably because there isn’t a vaccine. Did a bunch of old people die last year from the flu and it was listed as heart failure, cancer, COPD, etc.? Sure did, that’s all I’m pointing out.

N&N - I do not disagree that the numbers of Covid deaths are not accurate. The gist of what I am just saying is that if the Covid and flu death rates were at all close, you or just about anyone you talked to would know someone that died from the flu. If people would prefer to hear it from a doctor, Google "Dr Faust" who asked this same question of doctors, and STILL had a hard time finding anyone that knew someone that died from the flu.

I’m not debating whether the flu is worse than covid or vice versa. One thing I will debate is the number of deaths attributed to corona. Example, my mother died 5 years ago, cause of death was cancer. She battled the cancer for 10 years, then she got pneumonia, and that was the end. Official cause of death was listed as cancer. If she died yesterday the official cause of death would be listed as covid. That’s where numbers are skewed. I’m not saying it’s not bad, I’m saying the numbers are waaaaaaaay off. Death rates as of June 1, 2020 are exactly inline with June 1, 2019. More people are not dying, however, the ones dying in 2020 are listed as covid. Like I said earlier, I’m not here to debate how bad or what it’s worse than, but death rate numbers are facts, un-debateable.

"What evidence are you able to post that presents a different set of statistics based on facts. Drs. Paul both base their statements on statistics available to them that they feel are reliable."

Simply Google "US Covid Stats" and look at the deaths. Short of the last pandemic in 1918, we have not seen that many flu related deaths in any year in our lifetime, and the year isn't even over yet.

If you don't want to believe those numbers, apply some common sense. Ask yourself how many people you know that have died from the flu. Hell, ask your doctor how many people he/she knows that have died from the flu. Now ask yourself or any doctor how many people that you know that have died from car accidents.

The flu has been with us longer than cars. Covid has been in the US less than a year, and I personally know people that have died from it as do others I have talked to, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find any ER doctor in any major hospital that hasn't seen Covid related deaths.

Last year there were about 40K deaths in the US from car accidents. I know of nobody that died from the flu but plenty that have died from car accidents.

@ mayhem8

It’s not a good idea to base your opinions on emotions.

What evidence are you able to post that presents a different set of statistics based on facts. Drs. Paul both base their statements on statistics available to them that they feel are reliable. Please remember that we are living in a different time where “statistics” are falsified to meet the agenda of those who have something to gain if the numbers favor them gaining financially.

Further, there are risks with vaccines. I actually worked with someone who contracted French Polio from the swine flu vaccine in 1976 and was wheel chair bound for life. Later I came upon another person that experienced the same thing at a different place of work. I never got a vaccine since learning of that. I had flu like symptoms that were minor and disappeared in a few days in following years. For me the risks were minimal in comparison to what I witnessed.

Further, there are reports coming out of the UK that the current vaccines being developed are ineffective because the persons getting them already have natural immunity (antibodies).

To each their own. GLTU.

"According to Dr. Paul this virus isn't any more dangerous than the usual seasonal flu."

There is enough evidence to the contrary for me to not trust anything Dr Paul has to say. Yeah, I get the #'s aren't totally accurate, but just the fact that we have 100K+ deaths attributed to Covid this year alone should make one question this statement.

and, we won't be taking any MEDICAL advice form any politicians...ever!

The latest from Kentucky US Senator Rand Paul is that those who have contracted and recovered from COVID-19 have developed natural immunity. All should be VERY careful about accepting any vaccines if they are able to recover without any medication. According to Dr. Paul this virus isn't any more dangerous than the usual seasonal flu. The worry here is all the money that pours into the vaccine manufacturers and developers pockets, funded mostly by the Federal Government, and other governments as well. That encourages them to fast-track vaccines that could potentially be dangerous, just as they were in the late 70's.

Neither of us are doctors, but I suspect that vaccines also suppress natural immunity that would develop if a virus was contracted. I don't believe vaccine manufacturers have the sophistication to develop what the human body is capable of when it comes to natural immunity.

we love kissing however, right now we're only kissing each other. Otherwise we enjoy it with others as long the they have good hygiene, good teeth n breath.

In terms of hydroxychloroquine, we don't plan on ever using it and wouldn't consider listening to anyone's medical advice from a LS site.

Now THAT’s kissing!

“I Can't Stop Kissing You Prank On My Latina Girlfriend”
youtuDOTbe/9bDCHwArtLw

There’s nothing objectionable at the link ANYWHERE, except for those who don’t like “kissing”. It is a youtube address which doesn’t allow the stuff we’d like to put on SLS (or will after we get more acquainted and become members). Just replace “DOT” in the address with a period and place the string on the address line. Some of us just like the show of affection, which this sure represents. We think this is as “on topic” as it gets.

(LOL)

“ Given the wild turn of events with many choosing destructive behavior unrelated to what happened to Mr. Foley, maybe a visit to SLS would lead to some fun experiences and avoid hateful conduct.”

Joe: There’s a difference in talking about preventative measures vs passing along false information to push a drug that doesn’t work.

Anyway........

Just be sure to bring your missus and make sure she’s on par with swinging.

:-)

~Allen

@ 888

“There are medical studies released last week that you may find a nice read and contrary to your postings. This has nothing to do with safe sex, however, should you feel the need to discuss that specific drug, there is a COVID-19 thread in the open forum with more willing participants that haven’t beaten this subject like a dead horse.”

The subject of this category is “kissing”, which is part of the “Safe Sex” category since COVID-19 is transmissible by kissing which could be considered “foreplay”.

Transmission of corona virus by kissing is an obvious part of this category, when it comes to “Safe Sex”. Some here agree. Others think it belongs in the corona virus category. It also appears some dislike kissing when having sex with those outside a relationship. Perhaps this should be considered, “to each their own”.

Since the virus IS transmitted by mouth to mouth, why would that not be part of THIS category? It certainly is part of a corona virus category, but just like many things pigeon holing to one topic doesn’t lead to a wider understanding since it excludes what is related. In this case it also minimizes what many find a pleasing way to interact. That doesn’t mean others who find it displeasing shouldn’t have their opinion any more than those who do find it pleasing shouldn’t have theirs. We’ll just leave it there without any attempt to promote what others dislike.

I will agree, however, that from an epidemiological standpoint the corona virus category is the correct place to express a viewpoint.

Given the wild turn of events with many choosing destructive behavior unrelated to what happened to Mr. Foley, maybe a visit to SLS would lead to some fun experiences and avoid hateful conduct.