We agree with Daytona. Same experiences. Before the internet or in a private group never have we seen anyone get an STD. Condoms where never used.
Today meeting people online we use condoms for intercourse but never oral and have never seen anything passed orally but a cold.
You just made my point....we’ve only been in the LS a few years and know of several people that have it but don’t say anything. It’s horrible but they play all the time. What I’m saying is you THINK you know the person but do you really??
To each their own . My question is , do the people that use condoms use them for oral ? If no, why not ? Cold sores around the mouth. It's ridiculous to only use them for intercourse.
I have been in the lifestyle for 40 some years , never heard of a case of std's being passed.
My personal opinion is that we only go with committed couples. We know them and there outside lifestyle. No bi men or drug users. The only way single men got into club was with a couple and they had to vouch for him. Anything happened they were out for good.
It's a good idea even if not in lifestyle to be tested regularly. You can pick up hiv at a hospital these days.
I don't bash people because they feel they need condoms or don't. It's your choice.
Imagine the people that don’t have certs and don’t tell people and keep on playing. I’m learning that people just don’t get tested or tested for the right things because they don’t want to know and have to have the talk. You want to “believe” you know someone but, do you really??
“Exposure? ”
Yes, try reading the opening post.
Exposure? Certs are to tell other couples that you are real swingers and love to get naked and fuck other people.
“But why educate new people that certs or lack thereof is a good way to track exposure”
There is an educational lesson to be learned from the OP from their own words. Sure, some new people may read this, yet there is nothing instructional within and nothing proven that is provided.
“We're having a VERY hard time keeping up and leaving notes on all!”
It’s flawed and only worth what information available, without taking into account other variables, such as those you mention.
~Allen
Okay, certs were still spoke of. We have been in the ls for 6 years, the most active people in our area don't give or accept certs.... these people have sex with anyone and everyone. So when you look at their profile based on the below ideology, they have not had sex with anyone! Got it, their level of exposure is zero (0) since they have no certs, what a way to educate and possibly expose new couples.
On our old profile (prior to being sucked into an exclusive relationship) we had 50 certs and on this one 20 some... but we have not played with hardly any of them...
I get that some certs specifically elude that people have had sex and one couple below said their certs were only from those who they have had sex with...
But why educate new people that certs or lack thereof is a good way to track exposure, what you make the new people reading this think is oh... this people have no certs, they are safe, we can be their first...
Newcouple: Welcomes to the forums.
This thread is about using the ability to track play type for exposure levels thru visible certs and written profiles, not whether or not a non-cert couple are real or play.
On content of your post, thru forum searching, you will find mostly disagreement on the subject matter. The PP being one.
~Allen
We only accept certs for people who say how the sex was when played with us. No sex no certs.
We only accept certs for people who say how the sex was when played with us. No sex no certs.
played bare in college and for year as a ski bum in Squaw Valley. Some really fun group sex. i got clamidia and gonorrhea while in college. i learned when a woman was in my bed that i did not know when i woke up i was heading to the doctors to get a shot.
the dorms where wild. the parties after rugby where wilder. flunked out of college my first year and then stopped those parties. Never had another problem. Dean let me back in with a warning stop being a stupid freshman.
Got two shots in the ass with a horse needle and VD was gone.
After i met my wife we played for years in private groups where everyone was screened bareback with no problems. Then came AIDS and condoms where required. Now with meeting people on the internet condoms or no play period.
It kills me when people associate certs with having had sex. We have a lot of certs from people we have never played with. We have also played with couples we didn't ask to cert us.... it's total ignorance to associate certs with play and then to think a couple without certs hasn't played with anyone... some people's thought process or lack thereof kills me... ignorance is bliss.
Rremm
Well, you can consider the media alarmist if you wish. I think the issue is understated based on the actual statistics which, in my view, are scary as hell and good reason to put up with condoms. Here is a snapshot from a recent one month tally as published in the Epi-log, an epidemiological monthly of the King County health department here in Washington. Keep in mind these are local figures of newly reported cases for one month in Seattle King County Metro region (population about 2 million):
Chlamydia 462
Gonorrhea 135
Hep B (acute) 1
Hep C (Acute) 4
Genital Herpes 43
HIV and Aids (not previously reported as HIV) 13
Early Syphilis 19 (non congenital)
They also report dozens of other diseases from measles to pertussis so some of the above may be contracted from IV drug abuse (Hep, HIV) but, trust me, yeast infections are not among the reported diseases.
The incidence of chlamydia is plenty to give me pause as it is considered an indicator of the level of unprotected sex and tends to mirror the incidence of the more serious STDs.
Make of it what you will but statistics don't lie. Google it.
I have found this back-n-forth interesting. However, it brings me to just one conclusion. Hubby and I do play safe, we have it's in our profile. Even though the risks may be lower than the media wants us to believd, there is still a risk. So, whenever we plan to meet we always emphasize that we play safe - no surprises. If someone isn't ok with it, that is their choice. That is the ultimate conclusion. We all have to make our own choices and live with the consequences.
P.S. I love being filled with cum, and hubby is always happy to oblige me.
Just cause you join a group doesn't mean you participate. I actually belong to tons of groups on here and have never participated in there practices or parties. I belong to some of them to discuss with other members my fantasies. I actually have only met with couples and safe play only. But do enjoy talking to people from all backgrounds. Just cause some people enjoy Bare play doesn't mean their nasty. He'll maybe their more selective
rremm great post, we have been playing with others for 4 years, we don't just jump into bed with anyone, we always play bare and are just fine. We do know and understand we can pick up STD by playing with the wrong people. We play bare and so do many others with no problems.
Mickey.
Being that one of use works in the medical industry we know a fair amount about this topic, in fact I have training each month on the statistics of All STD's and quite frankly it is so way blown out of proportion by the media and cdc it's pathetic.
Did you know out of the 40 million STD cases a year they include yeast infections and vaginosis (fish puss) and they used both the amount of over the counter meds sold and doctor reports to pump up the statistics to make it sound like a lot more than there actually is.
When someone says STD, we all know what comes to mind the bad ones which actually only account for a little more than 1/3 of the totally reported cases, so the big scary 40 million cases is actually only about 15 million and out of those 63% are IV and other drug users that puts cases that you and I need to worry about down to 5.5 million, now out of that 5.5 million we have 27% are between ages 15 and 27 and single, so if you are playing with couples over 30 you can now knock that down to 4 million case of couples being infected with an STD.
In that 4 million group there are gay / lesbian and straight couples, we can reduce that 4 mill by 1.9 million to remove gays and lesbians out of the mix. We are now down to 2.1 million for MF couples, statistically there is NO DATA about SWINGERS in that 2.1 Million. However, there is a further brake down with finance, race and region. i.e. that 2.1 million is for the whole United States so it's couples spread across all the states.
We know that 23% is below poverty line and another 47% above the poverty line is cheating spouses i.e. bad marriages, another 8% contracted through medical procedures. You can do the math from there, basically you have a better chance of hitting the lottery and on the same day being hit by lightening ;-).
Keep in mind the MEDIA want to keep you scared so you will buy products that make you feel better. Example the news just this morning was talking about a small up tick in std's and guess what followed that segment, you guess it a commercial for Monostat, Yes Yeast Infections are considered and counted as an STD....LOL.....so don't let your self be used by propaganda do the math your self you will find you are actually much safer than you think
Interesting that you use the word mob to describe your posting buddies.
Sorry you're so pissed off about being confronted for your meaness...
Oh, you're still answering my posts. Guess you still love me! :)
Sigh, I thought Seduction actually had backbone. It's obvious Seduction is intelligent, so I'm surprised and saddened at this dance away from explaining that post.
Everybody breathe willya?
Wow why do yall even keep going over this? Lets all just keep fucking LOL..
M..
What does Vermont have to do with calling me a liar???
I guess I'm incredibly dense! What does this post mean, Seduction? And who is the you in your post???
"And you are right, I am absolutely insensitive to people like you and men with ED, I don't swing to nurture and baby the spouses who can't get it up, I'm not here to bring my husband who can get it up to entertain women who's hubby can't. There are meds for that, and if you refuse to take them then find someone else to give physical therapy to your lifeless worm"
Deseos, are you are having difficulty remembering what you post???
From your last post: "As for me... I really do not care if you acknowledge your disclosure or not."
From previous posts:
"DandJ...I have asked you numerous times when or if you disclose the fact that you bareback. But, you always seem to pass the buck and not answer me or the several others who have asked pretty much the same thing."
"If you want to justify your not disclosing you are a barebacker by saying that facts are that there are many who don't disclose and you are not the only one, well...okay! However, if you are not part of the solution, then guess what? You are now part of the problem."
"It damn well should be within your profile."
"...you still have not accepted responsibility for not disclosing your barebacking practices within your profile."
"What you put in your profile is most definitely everyone's business. D disclosing you are barebackers should be highlighted in freakin' bold ass letters...Caps, even. ;-)"
"DandJ...Sed. is right about you luring people in and then dropping the bomb. That is putting people in an uncomfortable position and screams manipulation. Not cool. ;-)"
Seems like you do indeed care about whether I acknowledge my disclosure or not.
