I do not know what a FUD rant is, nor do I need to.
Sometimes being verbose with stats, or front-loaded info adds nothing to the final point but you are more than welcome to add as you wish. I do not feel any of the statement needs to be proven, only read as a thought-provoking warning.
I think you misinterpreted my point. Perhaps I failed to clearly explain it. There was a reason why I said "kinda" :)
I interpreted what you wrote as a FUD rant.
I am not disagreeing with what you wrote at all. Men have no test. Women have tests. Men can or cannot know they have it. Women can know or not know they have it.
You just left out a lot of details that could have not made it look like a FUD rant.
So is it common? That is debatable and I would say no. Is it preventable? That I'd probably be closer to saying no than yes. That has more to do with human behavior though. Sure, one could become celibate and never touch another human but . . . again, human behavior.
So while, at a very high level, your point was correct, I feel that because it lacked some depth, it was 'kinda' misleading. Well, also the fact that you went straight to single males as well. Again, there is no test for a male. Just because I am married, I do not get a test :) I, like single males, are in the male genus.
@JINX
You are kinda misleading people there.
Yes, HPV is generally the root cause for cervical cancer. What you left out though is that it is a few strains. If I remember correctly, there are over 150 strains and it is 2 strains that account for 75%(?) of cervical cancer.
**I am aware of 16 & 18, but to be fully exact is somewhat irrelevant to the point that SMs will never know what they are carrying in this neighborhood.
But yes, you are correct, there is no HPV test for men.
And to add to your misleading . . . if you don't think you have or have had HPV chances are you are wrong. Again, going off of memory here, someone can take the time to validate this, but it was something like 80+% of people will have HPV at a point in time in their life. Think about that for a minute. There are roughly 250 million people in the US who are in the sexually active age range. Roughly 200 million have or have had HPV.
**I actually stated this, not misleading, and no need for a restatement or correction.
And for women, when you have the PAP smear and they say, 'There was an abnormality' That is HPV. They will then figure out what strain it is. If it is one of the ones that can cause, they will let you know and if not, they will tell you it will clear.
** That is absolutely incorrect intel you have.
@JINX
You are kinda misleading people there.
Yes, HPV is generally the root cause for cervical cancer. What you left out though is that it is a few strains. If I remember correctly, there are over 150 strains and it is 2 strains that account for 75%(?) of cervical cancer.
But yes, you are correct, there is no HPV test for men.
And to add to your misleading . . . if you don't think you have or have had HPV chances are you are wrong. Again, going off of memory here, someone can take the time to validate this, but it was something like 80+% of people will have HPV at a point in time in their life. Think about that for a minute. There are roughly 250 million people in the US who are in the sexually active age range. Roughly 200 million have or have had HPV.
And for women, when you have the PAP smear and they say, 'There was an abnormality' That is HPV. They will then figure out what strain it is. If it is one of the ones that can cause, they will let you know and if not, they will tell you it will clear.
In re: to @banky62 who writes: "I am a single male currently and have been swinging for 20 years. I have always played bareback and never a problem. I am selective about who I play with which is obviously not guarantee."
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Slow down, oh so confident cowboy:
HPV is the root cause of 99% of cervical cancer and so.....
With HPV being so common amongst very high % of sexually active people, and with men having no test protocol or symptoms of HPV, how do you or any other SMs know you are not passing this around? Granted the condom is only part of the story as oral is said to be a major method of transmission, but SMs present a completely different risk than do couples: couples include a wife who DO have a test protocol for HPV and cervical abnormalities.
We play bare only. Get tested twice a yr. been playing bare 16 yrs now important to note that couples who say condoms only do play bare. We have scene this
I agree with Mayhem8. I only want my partner to come inside me. They wouldn’t make vaginal dam for oral sex if they were not trying to protect you. It’s not the unprotected couple you get it from, it usually someone gave it to them. Why take a chance.
We always let the man we meet choose. It’s parts of wife’s need to be dominated seems about half choose to go bare in her then a course of prep after
I agree with NorthShore's question. Communication os key. Prediscuss the issue of barebacking.
i am curious if you guys chat about bare play before meeting or erly on during meeting?
I cannot fully get to all the posts here, but I will add a few points in response to some things that jumped out at me.
HIV is a reasonable concern but it is not the most easily transmissible STI. Yet condoms are proven to be the best prevention of HIV transmission for the most likely routes of transmission. One small fact "correction." It's not just blood contact or blood stream access that is the concern. It's white blood cell rich environments that HIV needs to thrive.
That said, there are far more common, more readily transmissible infections that can and do readily occur with fluid exchange and no barriers. So each person has to make their calculated risk decisions, but not only for themselves but for the community as a whole.
Someone mentioned a vaccine against genital warts. No, not quite accurate. I understand the reference to be to things like Gardasil to prevent HPV infections. However, while there are 100s of strains of HPV, there are generally two classes - those that cause genital warts and those that often become cervical, oral, or rectal cancers. The vaccine is designed for the most part to prevent infections by a few of the most common strains known to become cancers. The vaccine is not without controversy because while it presented as among the safest it actually is not insofar as when rare side effects happen they are typically extreme, life threatening and sometimes even fatal. So, another calculated risk to be considered.
That's all. Just my two cents for the conversation.
I thought bye week was when Mother Nature came to visit. We are currently on a bye week. No Mojos; (
re: Bye week
Was that supposed to be Bi week ;-)
How did she prepare that last month for the 25 Man Battle Royals?
First week, 10 guy. Second week, 15 guys, third 20?
Bye week.
And then the Grand Finale?
15 yrs mostly bare she did a 25 guy gang bang in 2008 less than half covered wife did a month of prep just to be safe No big groups anymore for her 3 is max
@Lady
That response is one I can respect and appreciate. You made a choice based upon knowledge, not by someone marketing something to you.
We are a couple who has played together as well as separately for quite a few years.
We have always used condoms for penetration, and will continue to; we only knowingly considered others who do the same.
Like those who report having no issues with their bareback activities, we too have had no issues.
We have no illusions remotely similar to believing that condoms provide assurance of anything beyond offering some protection that doesn’t exists in their absence. Since using the condoms presents no real inconvenience for us, the protection they offer, though limited, is more than enough to justify their use for us.
Tramp
I am a single male currently and have been swinging for 20 years. I have always played bareback and never a problem. I am selective about who I play with which is obviously not guarantee.
Stds are not that common. the big one was genital warts that now have a vaccine. STDs are among the young and college age kids and the homeless or those that engage in dangerous sex such as anal and prostitution. Remember that STDS are very well known and studied in science, The meds that cure them require that everything is know about that STD and how it is transmitted.
Dont blindly believe anyone's bullshit, the law requires the reporting a publishing of all new STD cases which are available in the CDC's website. One of the few honest things the CDC publishes.
We have been swingers in the 80's and 90's in large private groups before condoms where part of swinging and no one ever had a problem. The members of the group where all happily married couples that where screened and referred in.
Today with the meeting of strangers though the internet condoms should be used. you just dont know who these people are.
Both my wife and i have been very sexually active since we where 18. College was really fun and so was our life together. i have caught two STDs one in college and one when living in Squaw valley after college. Both where from single women who where just starting being sexual. They simply did not beehive that they could have a STD. both where cured by a shot.
As a swinger both my wife and I have never had any STDS.
@Erotic!!! Thank you. That was a good read. Definitely gets one thinking.
It's much like driving a car without insurance, we know it might be really bad if we are caught, but we might not get caught, LoL.
Unfortunately there is a big hole in the data. There is nothing to tell anyone how many times a condom successfully protected someone.
Don't need data or facts???? lol just going on gossip and bullshit?
I don't need data for personal experience. I HAVE witnessed condom strict couples say - "We ONLY use a condom when playing, we are ddfree and plan to stay that way." But engage in activities that turn into exchange of bodily fluids, cum, and see no problem with that. This has nothing to do with being a bareback supporter or not, just an observation of conflicting stories. Everyone can deduce this how they see fit, it's a free country.
The awesome thing about eroticamazon's posts is that it looked at data that's out there and tried to quantify the risks. No emotion or flames.
Speaking for myself and friends we play with, nobody is thinking they are safe just because they use condoms. Blanket statements like "they don't want to take any chance of getting any exposure" are simply false, and it is not the first time I've heard a bareback supporter use it.
I don't recall seeing any cases where people thought having unprotected oral sex wouldn't increase their risks, and thanks to eroticamazon the data out there suggests the risks of getting HIV at least are pretty small to begin with. He/she provided data to support a decision and I applaud that.
Gloating over a "friend" catching an STI because she choose to use condoms did make a point, but I'm pretty sure it's not the one you were going for ;-)
