Why are poor countries so poor?

Glendale, AZ, Us

PhxFunx2, what do YOU think the 2nd amendment is for?

Because, my reading is so you can be in the militia... And article 2 section 8 lists the purpose of the militia as: "to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

So, it is either kill invaders, kill citizens that are breaking the law, or kill people in revolt against the government.

If you think the 2nd gives you the right to overthrow government... or that a gun can do anything against an army that launches missiles from satellite controlled unmanned drones... well, ha ha ha. No!

You use your 2nd Amendment legally owned guns to rise in revolt against a tyrannically USA government, and you will be vapor. Ditch the guns and learn to plant mines in roads... you will still lose, but a fuck ton slower.

Phxfunx2Veteran
Chandler, AZ, Us

AZCOUPLE----->As for 2nd Amendment... So, rather than fixing the structural imbalances, you'd rather stockpile guns to be able to kill your starving fellow citizens to protect what you have against the masses? That's pretty sick!

Careful AZ your structural bias is showing. Go back and S L O W L Y read the reference to the Second Amendment. When I used the Second Amendment did I say anything about killing starving fellow citizens? Or......did you infer it?

Glendale, AZ, Us

Perhaps the conservatives missed the point.

Debt (business + household + government) has been increasing at 3x the sustainable rate for 40 years. Unless we attack and reverse the structural imbalances created by Reaganomics, it is eventually going to collapse. If we are doomed for the debt to collapse, sooner is better than later.

As for 2nd Amendment... So, rather than fixing the structural imbalances, you'd rather stockpile guns to be able to kill your starving fellow citizens to protect what you have against the masses? That's pretty sick!

BTW: I'm a gun owner. Not because I long for the day when I will get to kill someone...or even because I wan't to be prepared in the highly unlikely case it is needed. I have guns for shooting trap, skeet, deer and elk. I also think that the "reasonable regulations" being pushed by the anti-gun lobby will do jack-shit to reduce the murder rate, and are just a first step toward banning gun ownership. Ban assault rifles.. okay, that is like 200 of 10,000 gun murders. Universal background checks? Maybe stop 200 murders, maybe? The vast majority of murders are committed with hand guns that are bought on the street after having been stolen or otherwise illegally obtained. "Gun shows"... ha! No one goes to a gun show to buy a gun to use in a murder. They go to gun shows to stockpile for the upcoming race wars and social/economic collapse.

Lumberton, NJ, Us

" But you just go ahead and embrace it, hoping for the Muslims uprising or North Korea to start shooting missiles, maybe global annihilation as long as the conservatives don't win."

But were that to happen a great majority of the non millionaire class of conservatives will have won. The cult of the Evangelical Christians are just waiting for Armageddon and the end of this world. They want nothing more than World War 3 to marshal in the second coming.

Phxfunx2Veteran
Chandler, AZ, Us

AZCOUPLE----->Part of me wants the economic collapse to hurry up and get here

Yeah, I'm with DNLB, it did not surprise me in the least to hear that statement from you. I'll give you credit AZ as least you are honest in looking forward to the devastation that will impact most but not all Americans. Now you understand why a large population supports the Second Amendment. Additionally it makes the old European maxim more true tomorrow than it was yesterday; One should always have just enough gold to bribe the border guards.

Coming back to today, it's still true and if everyone answered honestly they would concur, it's better to be not poor than poor. Further proof point? Just ask those 20 people who were on the stage a few night ago. If they felt as strong on the topic as their campaign materials indicate, they'd already being paying their fair share in taxes. Pssssssst they aren't.

Glendale, AZ, Us

"Most leftists pretend that they aren't agonizing over the success that the Trump administration is enjoying"

The same success that Obama administration was enjoying, all based on unsustainable debt growth? Yeah, I agonize over the unsustainable debt growth. I have since the 90s when the debt was fueling the unsustainable dot com bubble, and during the unsustainable debt fueling the housing bubble, and now unsustainable debt re-inflating both the stock and housing bubbles.

And when a Democrat wins in 2020, I'm still going to lament the unsustainable debt growth being used to keep our bubble economy inflated.

It is going to collapse, it is just a matter of when.

DNLBVeteran
Pensacola, FL, Us

"Part of me wants the economic collapse to hurry up and get here "

At least you admit it. Most leftists pretend that they aren't agonizing over the success that the Trump administration is enjoying, many still pretend to be centrists or something, while secretly praying for some sort of catastrophe to befall our country. But you just go ahead and embrace it, hoping for the Muslims uprising or North Korea to start shooting missiles, maybe global annihilation as long as the conservatives don't win.

You're going to be disappointed even more, there won't be a crash, the doom & gloom financial predictions were all because of the fraudulent investigations, as they fall apart so will the chances of financial collapse. You don't have to be a loser, c'mon over to the winning team, get on board for more freedom and winning than you know what to do with.

Glendale, AZ, Us

Part of me wants the economic collapse to hurry up and get here as was happening in 2008... some of these "I worked hard to be opposite of poor" peeps could see what Reaganomics reaps.

1980: Total business, household and government debt $4T. Population 200M. Median household income: $20K. Per household share of total debt, expressed in years of median income = 1.

2019: $52.6T, 325M, $60K = 2.7

When the debt collapses, a lot of people that think they are opposite of poor will find themselves very poor.

Glendale, AZ, Us

"Some people work hard to be poor, some people work hard to be the opposite of poor."

And some got "opposite of poor" due to economic conditions created by tax and other government policy that they hate, because they think they did this shit all on their own. How easy would it have been to be "opposite of poor" if there were no customers with money, willing and able to spend?

And if everyone did the exact same "work hard to be not poor", some would succeed, while someone else would still have to clean the toilets. The ones in the right place at the right time with assets to take advantage of an opportunity, and then some level of fortune shined on them, would call the people that did the exact same thing but failed, people that worked hard to be poor.

Lumberton, NJ, Us

Some people can work their ass of and never be much above working poor, some can do the barest minimum and live a lifestyle of decadent opulence. Your I worked harder, longer, smarter therefore I'm better idiology is a crock of shit...you obviously have no concept of what some have had to do to just survive due to know fault of their own.

Phxfunx2Veteran
Chandler, AZ, Us

AZCOUPLE----->This being better than that does NOT mean we can't make this even better.

To varying degrees of effort, both are choices. My point is simple, one is better than the other. Some people work hard to be poor, some people work hard to be the opposite of poor.

Glendale, AZ, Us

"Having been both, one is much better than the other"

False dichotomy?

This being better than that does NOT mean we can't make this even better.

Glendale, AZ, Us

It saddened me to be in the Philippines, with a very high population to resource ratio, and a Catholic controlled government pushing against birth control.

Decades later, the government is FINALLY trying to encourage family planning, going against official church doctrine.

Look what has happened in China within 50 years of the one-child policy. Now, I'm not a fan of forced abortions and forced sterilization, but to push against population control is just insane!

Thornton, CO, Us

Topic: Why are poor countries so poor? Simple answer no one will admit it is the religions of the world. All the religions of the world want population, lots of babies. The religions should have promoted birth control 500 years ago. Overpopulation is our downfall. The third world should practice birth control having only the children they can feed. NO! The religions would rather see a family overpopulate and starve than have less and feed them. An Irish guy I knew years ago. After having 5 children said, "I want the Catholic Bishop to support them". They started birth control. Overpopulation causes poor countries.

Phxfunx2Veteran
Chandler, AZ, Us

Having been both, one is much better than the other

Lumberton, NJ, Us

It seems that most of the poor countries are also under the control of corrupt officials who have been bought off by the local oligarchs who exist above the law.

My, my, hey, hey we're slip sliding that way...in the good ole' USA

Glendale, AZ, Us

In one of the numerous threads, it was asked why so many resource rich African countries are so poor.

Initially, the answer seems like a meaningless tautology... Poor countries are so poor because they are full of poor people... however, it is not.

We discuss a country's wealth, we rarely mean how rich its few richest people are. Rather we look at the average person, or the GDP or some such.

As an example, Mexico has the second highest number of billionaires of any country on earth (behind the USA) and yet they are not considered a rich country because the per household income is $14K and per capita GDP is $10K. Compare to USA with $60K and $50K.

Warning, to understand why Mexico is a "poor country full of poor people" even though it has massive resources, may make you understand why having a high tax rate on the rich (New Deal) allowed America to rapidly grow its middle class, increase GDP and reduce inequality. If you are a Republican, this could either make you question your current economic beliefs, or more likely, reject reality to allow you to preserve your personality that is so tightly intertwined with your beliefs.

The answer is... because all the wealth is owned by a few people. If we look at the economy as a game, creating winners who accumulate wealth and losers that go bankrupt, well then, these "poor countries with lots of resources" are at end-game. The few rich have won, have all the stuff, and everyone else is broke.

The idea of working hard, producing stuff, then selling it, requires that there be another person with money, willing and able to buy. Once there are a few winners and masses of losers, that assumption is false. You work hard, produce stuff, but then either can't sell it or have to sell it for a very low price, because all your customers are broke.

USA was in that condition at the end of the 1800s. We kept falling into recession and depression because there was not enough demand, because too many people were poor and could not buy stuff. Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie had "won the game".

First we broke up the monopolies, then we strengthened pro union laws, then we established a common currency and stabilized banking... But, we still kept falling back into depression. We were up against unregulated capitalism's fatal flaw. The ability to use wealth to acquire more wealth, results on almost all the wealth ending up in a few hands. The economy collapses because the masses are too poor to buy much. Little demand, little production.

Finally, we got the New Deal. Government spends a lot of money into the economy, poof, money in the economy. EXCEPT, that new money also didn't stay in the economy. It leaked out of active circulation into the hands of the few rich. It wasn't until we "plugged the leak" that money put into the economy stayed actively circulating in the economy. And what was that plug? 90% top tax rate, that no one paid, because they could capital invest to get deductions... and capital investing puts and keeps money actively flowing in the economy!

So, that is what those poor countries with lots of resources need to do! Get the money out of the hands of the few rich people, and get it actively flowing through the economy, and keep it actively flowing in the economy.

Unfortunately, because money buys election, it is the few rich people that have control, and they have NO INTEREST in giving up their wealth to make their country less poor.