Science

“"Trust" is a form of faith.”

No, it’s not. If you trust someone or something, you do so because of past experience. I trust that the sun will come up tomorrow, because every day for the 54 years I’ve been alive, the sun has continued to come up every day. I also look at the explanations for why the sun comes up every day, and I trust those explanations because they hold true over and over, and have for 54 years. But I don’t accept the sunrise on faith. If the sun didn’t come up tomorrow, I’d be forced to re-examine all of my ideas about what the sun is and how it works. But if I have faith that the sun will come up, I can go through 2000 years of darkness believing that really, the sun is coming up, and I’m just not strong enough in my faith to experience it.

In a religion, you have to accept what some leader or ancient book says, because they have a direct hotline to truth.

Science is different, because if I want to, I can research a field myself. I can go look at the data. I can look at the consensus and read why various hypotheses are accepted and why others aren’t. Or I can trust the experts because I know that at least a majority of them have done exactly what I could do, if I wanted to invest the time and money.

I could invest all my time and money and never have access to what religious leaders and holy books claim to have: divine inspiration. I can’t have a conversation with YHWH. I can’t experience whatever input convinced Muhammad he was a prophet.

Science has no high holy days. It has no sacred texts. Darwin’s On The Origin of Species is quaint, and it’s an important part of the study of biology, but most biologists have never read it. It’s been replaced by data, experimentation and observation. Can we say the same thing about the Bible, or the Quran? In 2000 years, have Christians set aside the Bible and replaced it with observable facts and new discoveries and new understanding about the way our Universe works? No, they haven’t. They reinterpret the Bible to support their current biases, but they don’t look at it the way biologists see Darwin. They don’t set it aside as astronomy did with Newtonian physics. They don’t reject it outright like medicine did with sympathetic magic and miasma theory. They still accept it as inspired truth.

<p>"As<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px"> stated previously. It&rsquo;s been addressed many many times here."</span></p>

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">Here with me? I know I have posted about this online, but do not remember talking about it here. Certainly it was not many times.</span></p>

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">And I want feedback. I am asking for feedback. Not just empty feedback that I am wrong. Use your words and own thoughts. I don't care about sources. If I don't have faith in what you are telling me, I probably won't have faith in your source. I've posted sources before for what I believe in and not one person responded back with, "Thank you Wayne for providing a source. I am now changing my mind and I believe what you believe." </span></p>

Well, let's start a little more basic.

Please define faith. What does it mean to you?

" I'd just like to have a real debate about science and religion."...but who's religion, would you like to debate?

<p>Tbr,</p>

<p>I don't want to change your beliefs or my beliefs. I just like talking about them. <br />
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<p>Ok, people generally consider religion to be based on faith. Religious people believe what their religious book says or what some leader of their church says. Most science type people are doing the same thing. Placing faith in another person or book that they consider an authoritative source. Especially most of the "trust the science" type people. That whole phrase is literally faith based. "Trust" is a form of faith.</p>

<p>People say that religion is the belief in the super-natural. So is science. Back to my visible light example. Humans are natural and can only "see" things giving off light in the visible spectrum. Science has invented telescopes that can "see" objects giving off other forms of electomagnetic radiation. By definition, human inventions are not considered natural, so those telescopes and their data is super-natural.</p>

“If you don’t want feed back? Don’t post.”

This really should be stated as: If you cannot accept feedback? Don’t post.

“People are discrediting my statement by facepalming and calling it ridiculous and delusional. I'm assuming that their position is that science is not a religion. Can they convince me of that?”

As stated previously. It’s been addressed many many times here.

As with anything that is posted on the internet. You can believe what you like. But when you post it. It opens your beliefs up to comment.

If you don’t want feed back? Don’t post.

" I'd just like to have a real debate about science and religion."

I dont think you do.

I dont think there is any evidence that could be presented that would change your belief.

But you first.

Make a case why you think science is a religion...

<p><a href="https://www.swinglifestyle.com/profile/lookup.cfm?usercode=58309729">Onehelluvaguy</a>,</p>

<p>I don't consider any of them to be rude. I'd just like to have a real debate about science and religion. I realize that might be asking a lot out of the political section of the SLS forums. <br />
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<p>People are discrediting my statement by facepalming and calling it ridiculous and delusional. I'm assuming that their position is that science is not a religion. Can they convince me of that? </p>

I think you are a bit too sensitive.

That was not a personal attack on you or anyone else.

We have been through this before. You are wrong. It has been explained to you why you are wrong, yet you continue to cling to your wrong belief.

I am too old to try to convince people that their beliefs are in error. As long as your beliefs do not harm anyone, you can believe anything you want.

So carry on...

"Science actually is just another faith based religion."

I've read similar statements in the Forum from SMs describing swinging and everyone that belongs to the Church Of The Holy Unicorn.

“Three of you have responded with what look like personal attacks.”

Of course they’re personal. I wouldn’t classify them as “Attacks” though.

No one was rude to you.

<p><a href="https://www.swinglifestyle.com/profile/lookup.cfm?usercode=17435002">tbrmskss</a>,</p>

<p>Three of you have responded with what look like personal attacks.</p>

<p>I've heard that people resorting to personal attacks online means that they have lost the argument.</p>

Everyone has their pet delusion...

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">"Bald is just another hair color."</span></p>

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">It's possible that you are right. Theoretically, bald people may have a hair color that is outside of the electromagnetic radiation that is visible as color to the human eye. I don't believe that and I doubt you believe that either. You were just being funny or trying to discredit my post.</span></p>

Climate Change has become a religion , as Jesus has said. “ I am the way and the truth and the life , no one comes to the father except through me .

<p>Ionsawmill,</p>

<p>From your post, I take it that you do not agree with. If you want to have a discussion about it, give me details about why I am wrong.</p>

<p>I've probably spent over a decade and hundreds of hours thinking about this philosophy. I don't think I'm wrong.</p>

<p>I've been married three times. My first wife was Muslim, my second wife was Christian and my current wife is Jewish. I have a degree in Computer Science, so I have been exposed to four of the world's major religions. I don't think I'm particularly biased toward any one of these beliefs.</p>

Science these days, is a fucking joke.

Bald is just another hair color.

"Science actually is just another faith based religion."

No matter how many times I read this, it never gets less ridiculous.

“Science is actually just another faith based religion.”

<facepalm>

~Scamp

Go Wayne!!!!!

<p>Science actually is just another faith based religion.</p>

There was a great video from Professor Dave Explains yesterday.

It is called "Science isn't dogma. You're just stupid."