Onehell....." I never claimed there is mass fraud. Actually the complete opposite."
Hmmm. The complete opposite of mass voter fraud would be a very secure election process (the one we currently use). Good to know you approve of our current system. So why should we change it if it is that secure?
“ Our state requires a photo ID to receive a ballot. The only reason to allow someone to vote without proving their eligibility to vote is to allow fraud.
There are many convictions of people voting on other peoples absentee ballots every election cycle, if states mail out ballots to every registered voter this will be greatly exacerbated, it's silly to pretend otherwise.”
It’s silly to pretend that there is wide spread voter fraud of any type happening anywhere. The convictions you cite prove there is no wide spread abuse. These people are not getting away with it. They’re being caught and prosecuted. The safeguards are in place.
Just to make sure I am understanding you correctly. Are you against absentee voting? All votes must be in person?
"In the current voting system. What is stopping me from voting at my precinct “A”. Then going to dead Uncle Nunzio’s precinct “B” and voting there in his name?"
Our state requires a photo ID to receive a ballot. The only reason to allow someone to vote without proving their eligibility to vote is to allow fraud.
There are many convictions of people voting on other peoples absentee ballots every election cycle, if states mail out ballots to every registered voter this will be greatly exacerbated, it's silly to pretend otherwise.
“Onehell....can you cite any evidence of mass voter fraud? Mail In, Absentee or in person? .....Not opinion actual facts”
I can’t. But I believe you’re asking the wrong person. I never claimed there is mass fraud. Actually the complete opposite.
They have gone over this a dozen times.
There are isolated incidents of voter fraud, pretty evenly split by party.
No system if perfect. Foolproof systems always discount the ingenuity of fools.
Nothing to see here.
Onehell....can you cite any evidence of mass voter fraud? Mail In, Absentee or in person? .....Not opinion actual facts
“ Because previously registered voters can die, become incarcerated for a felony, move to a different country and give up their citizenship. But those dead, incarcerated and non-citizens, have a difficult time showing up to their polling places.”
They’re not “previously” registered voters. They’re currently registered voters.
In the current voting system. What is stopping me from voting at my precinct “A”. Then going to dead Uncle Nunzio’s precinct “B” and voting there in his name?
Whenever there is a chance of humans being involved in a process. There is a chance of fraud? We put safeguards into place to catch or eliminate the possibility.
Does not every American who is registered to vote have the right to decide if they’re going to vote that cycle? Why do I have to tell the BOE four weeks before if I want to vote in that particular election? As it stands I can decide the day of the election if I want to vote. I should have the same choice with mail in voting.
I actually believe more people would vote if every registered voter is sent a ballot. The choice is put in front of them weeks in advance. But I guess that is what is trying to be suppressed.
Onehell....."The process of actually voting is the same. How is this more ripe for fraudulent activity than voting in person?"
Because previously registered voters can die, become incarcerated for a felony, move to a different country and give up their citizenship. But those dead, incarcerated and non-citizens, have a difficult time showing up to their polling places.
“ you really don’t understand the difference between absentee voting and the mass- mailing of ballots to every registered voter, living or dead, at every district in the US?”
One you request. The other is automatically generated. That is the only difference. The process of actually voting is the same. How is this more ripe for fraudulent activity than voting in person?
DNLB---->you really don’t understand the difference between absentee voting and the mass- mailing of ballots to every registered voter, living or dead, at every district in the US?
Ohhh, they understand the difference. Throw out the few bigots and idiots the majority of Progressives posting here are intelligent people. From where I sit they prefer to pray at the Rahm Emanuel alter of never letting a good crisis go to waste.
@AZ: you really don’t understand the difference between absentee voting and the mass- mailing of ballots to every registered voter, living or dead, at every district in the US?
Doesn't make him a bad person by any means. My mentor, worth in the low 100mm range died. A few weeks prior to his death he told me, the money was nice, but it can't buy me life. I'd trade it all to not die. He was in his mid 50s.
It's ok, some people are driven by it, some are not. Those that are obsessed with it, that is the issue. I don't think PHX is obsessed with it.
Doesn't make him a bad person lol
I think Phx will be on his death bed, clutching new 100 bills in one hand and his financial records in his other.
Maybe not in those words but in the context of your post yes, you did say it.
Did I say that or did you presume that?
Let them eat cake, right?
Erotic - You always crack me up. How many times to I have to agree with you that the electorate is stupid? They will stand there slack jawed at the voting booth and actually believe their vote is going to restore the "Soul of the Country". Without ever asking themselves.........has anyone ever defined the point at which we will know the Soul of the Country has returned?
Now all you people who manage your lives (but not your finances) on how you feel will fall out when I say this. I don't really care. Pssssst and I'll let you in on a little secret, neither does Joe, Kamala, Nancy or Chuck. For me, it's about financial security, for them it's about raw and unabated power. I increased my families financial security under Bush, Obama and Trump. Could I do it under Harris? Yeah.....probably.
@PHX
There have always been food lines and always will be. See the bottom 10% sales rep conversation. What has happened though is that it is no longer the bottom 10%. Suddenly food lines are a 'growth' business. What took them a week to give out, they give out now in hours. That delta is what I believe will get pissed and not vote for Trump. That delta is what I believe will get their Senators scared shitless and push them to resolve the pettiness.
There was a study that showed that X % of Americans could not handle a $400 emergency. Now, how much bigger is it if we move that line to $1000 emergency or $2000 or $5000? That is what those that are unemployed are seeing. They went from a $400 to a $5000 emergency because this has been going on for ~6 months with no end in sight.
There's been food banks for as long as I can remember.
Our family volunteered every week back when LBJ and Nixon were in office.
We haven't seen people lining up for handouts like this since the Great Depression.
Better off than 4 years ago? Not everyone.
Our firm does a lot of that PR giving back to the community stuff. At least twice a year we all put on the corporate t-shirts, take the pictures and go stock shelves at St Mary's Food bank. It didn't matter if the President was Bush, Obama or Trump the need was always there.
But you could be correct. The electorate is a fickle body. Just think of all those folks as Joe calls them that voted for the candidate to reduce poverty and make inroads into eliminating racism. Chances are.....they are still the regulars at St. Mary's and the one's (wink wink) peacefully protesting in the streets today.
As I mentioned in here, that food line in Dallas will change people's minds. Given the choice of food and shelter or principles, very few people will give a fuck about their principles. Survival kicks in and protecting their family.
dfw. cbslocal. com/2020/05/14/thousands-dallas-fair-park-mobile-pantry-food-giveaway/
EROTIC---->Nope. They have to capitulate to the demands of the people that elected them. Nice attempt at spin Senator Phx.
Then they should be fine. I seriously doubt the people elected them to rubber stamp bills coming from the Democratic House. Then again a growing population in the country has no idea what the benefit of divided Government actually is and does. Without that, long live Queen Kamala!
@PHX
"In other words the only way for them to keep their jobs is capitulate to all demands from Speaker Pelosi and Minority Leader Schumer?"
Nope.
They have to capitulate to the demands of the people that elected them. Nice attempt at spin Senator Phx.
Isn’t that freedom of choice?
