Fentanyl

TallMark45Veteran
Tempe, AZ, Us

Yes jeb bush pig should have been in prison just like his war monger bush pig brother..!1000's dead because of Florida's lax oxycoton laws...1000's dead because of war monger bush pig, how they sleep at night and yet people still adore the bush pigs....

Phoenix, AZ, Us

Well, you would if you wanted a response other than a dismissive eyeroll. Feel free to decline.

Santa Barbara, CA, Us

To tie into Molly's point . . .

Last weekend my wife and I were in Fresno.

Just to be a 'douche', as someone has been calling me, Fresno is a VERY red, maga loving area. I noticed something that I did not see anywhere else: Billboards talking about fentanyl. kmph. com/news/local/new-fentanyl-billboard-warns-those-in-fresno-that-its-deadly-and-doesnt-take-much This caught my eye as we were driving and I went, wait, wtf? Our path through the area was not that much and we saw 5 different billboards. Obviously, it is a HUGE issue there.

But it is also interesting to see the outrage over this.

Let's look at perspectives:

Fentanyl - 72k deaths.
Car - 43k deaths.
Diabetes - 102k deaths.
Covid - 350k deaths.

Heart Disease - 700k deaths.
Cancer - 602k deaths.

source - cdc. gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm (fent & car was a diff lookup)

Here is what is fucked up.

People are asking the GOVERNMENT TO SOLVE fentanyl yet privatizing heart and cancer. People are asking the GOVERNMENT TO SOLVE fentanyl yet bitching about when the government works to solve covid. The amount spent on the 'drug war' has various estimates. It is around 40 billion a year. Want to lower heart deaths? By every adult a fucking gym membership and give them a tax credit for meeting a goal. The math would be difficult to get exact, but you could get it relatively close to what the costs would be. What would it do to the health care system if we went from 42% being fat to 20% being fat? Would that save more lives? Would that lower health care costs? Would that have a greater impact than the drug war? cdc. gov/obesity/data/adult.html Or, is the drug war, really a jobs program where we need construction to build prisons, cops/judges/et al to put people in jail and a means for legislators to target minorities to get them off the voter roll?

BTW the CDC did estimate, in 2019, the medical cost for being fat at 173bn. Hell, wouldn't the military be happy that they can get people to join that are not fat?

If anyone wants to read an interesting book, it is about 10 or so years old and I was able to go to a lecture the author put on, the book is called Salt, Sugar, Fat by Moss. The guy talks about how food is engineered to hook you and addict you. AGAIN, another DRUG.

Danbury, CT, Us

lol , I don’t have to do better for you , sorry !

Phoenix, AZ, Us

I could play whataboutism, I suppose, but that's a particularly weak start. You'll have to do better.

Danbury, CT, Us

The biggest issue is the data itself is of limited usefulness if you don't know the baseline for the percentage increases in deaths in various communities.

Did you say the same with how the CDC reported Covid cases ?

Phoenix, AZ, Us

Yep. And there is a mention of the lack of culturally competent mental health care but it isn't tied to anything that would allow validation the assertion.

The biggest issue is the data itself is of limited usefulness if you don't know the baseline for the percentage increases in deaths in various communities.

Santa Barbara, CA, Us

Again, read the article, not the headlines.

Danbury, CT, Us

“notes that the death rate in the Black community is higher in areas with treatment facilities.“

So the death rate must be lower in areas without treatment facilities ?

Phoenix, AZ, Us

My niece is in rehab after two fentanyl overdoses. She's lucky she's alive, but if it doesn't stick this time, I don't think the third time will be the charm.

"Maybe Biden will get it..."

His kid's an addict. He understands. But, just for giggles, how does a US president eliminate or even reduce the death rate from drugs in any population?

Also, that CDC report you cited was full of possiblys and maybes, did not give base data for comparison, is using statistics from a system that only came on line in 2016, and notes that the death rate in the Black community is higher in areas with treatment facilities.

tbrmskssVeteran
San Diego, CA, Us

Just talking to my father in law over lunch. (We are the same age, but that's another story). He lives in St.Louis.

His 22 year old son has lost three friends to fentanyl.

There is a huge problem with opiods among white, rural males. So bad that it is affecting life expectancy for this group...

Danbury, CT, Us

Maybe Biden will get it when one of his family dies from a overdose. One maybe two are on that path .

Danbury, CT, Us

“It is also from 2019 to 2020.“

Yep it is , and two years later , more drugs are entering the border thanks to Joe Biden .

All by design folks , nothing to see here .

Phoenix, AZ, Us

What you quoted is also irrelevant to your irredeemably stupid response and nearl so to specific drugs. I'd also like to see the study itself, because trend lines are significantly more useful than year over year comparisons. Plus, how data are collected is important, including what gets left out.

Richards, TX

It is pretty sad , but they say necessary some college campuses are putting vending machines on campus that distribute Narcan . The border must be closed and the flow of people and drugs stopped . Some people can rationalize this is not a crime but it is destroying the integrity of the law of our country . Last week a Houston city councilman went with HPD on a bust of a club . The club was membership only and word of mouth . You brought your own bottle and a bunch of money . It was in the barrio section and was what they call a Taxi club . The girls are know as Taxi Dancers. You pay so much and the girls dance with you . Now when they made the raid there were girls as young as thirteen years old . This was a brothel and he said the girls did not know where they were who to turn to or nothing . They were not given condoms or any type of feminine products . The councilman said the place was a dump and the cops had a hard time not taking the owners of the club out . The open border is causing so many problems . The president needs to stop this.

Danbury, CT, Us

“Get away from the HEADLINES. “

Sorry EA try again ! , you will find exactly what I posted on the CDC web page .

Richards, TX

We had a 19 year old A&M student last week she ODed Fentanyl . How she got it they are not saying . This drug problem creates so much money . Back in the 2000s Jeb Bush was making money hand over fist . Florida
became the capital of pain clinics . People from WVA , Ohio , Kentucky and the rest of the east coast would exhaust their
Scripts for OXY. Then they would jump in their cars drive to Florida and hit 6 pain clinics . Bush should have been indicted . Do you remember when Trump brought this up in the primary . Bush was getting money from these people. I really think the democrat party is getting money from the Cartels .

Santa Barbara, CA, Us

@Bonnie

You are doing it again.

Get away from the HEADLINES. Read the article.

The headlines that you are quoting are from TWENTY FIVE states. It is also from 2019 to 2020.

While I appreciate that data, I'd like all 50 states if we are going to try and figure out ethnicity. Granted there may be 1% blacks in Alaska, but getting into the south, it is more than the national average. IIRC Georgia is 35% black.

TallMark45Veteran
Tempe, AZ, Us

Too bad many young white kids dying from taking pills with unknown laced fetnyal...Is there a secret plan to all this.. wish there were stats showing the percent of whites vs blacks, age, sex ect..people have to to fukn wake up, parents really suck at raising kids...in phx area last week 4 elementary kids bought guns to school..one was a 7 year old with 2 pistols and ammo. just had it for fun i hear.. all had no intentions on using them i hear, the law should take the guns and outlaw them from having them until kids out of house. this country is bat shit crazy...

Danbury, CT, Us

The Biden Administration knows exactly what drugs flowing through our border will do .

FACT as reported at the CDC !

Danbury, CT, Us

From the CDC .

Drug overdose data show troubling trends and widening disparities between different population groups. In just one year, overdose death rates (number of drug overdose deaths per 100,000 people) increased 44% for Black people and 39% for American Indian and Alaska Native (AI/AN) people. Most people who died by overdose had no evidence of substance use treatment before their deaths. In fact, a lower proportion of people from racial and ethnic minority groups received treatment, compared with White people. Some conditions in the places where people live, work, and play can widen these disparities. For instance, areas with greater income inequality—a larger income gap between the rich and the poor—have higher rates of overdose deaths. Comprehensive, community-based prevention and response efforts should incorporate proven, culturally responsive actions that address disparities in drug overdose deaths and the inequities that contribute to them.

Phoenix, AZ, Us

I don't often dismiss a response as irredeemably stupid, so, hey, welcome to a small, exclusive group.

Danbury, CT, Us

So you want to kill certain ethnic groups also , nice !

San Luis Obispo, CA, Us

"Addicts gonna addict and if they get clean it's because they want to not because anyone intervened."

So true. You can't protect people from themselves.