Equal pay: Soccer edition

FFD... mysoginy is the republican forte.

What part of 'let' don't you understand?

One, Yes I am twisted. My cock twists 360 degrees from base to tip. That is why I call it screwing.

"Rapinoe drops the F bomb on live TV...………..and nobody in the MSM is going to comment on her lack of class."

This is the politics board. What office is she running for again?

Certainly you would not put an athlete saying the f word on par with the president talking about sexually assaulting women and bragging that they can't do anything about it because you're rich.

One of these incidents show passion for a game, and the other shows disdain for people.

I fucking love ice cream, and I just want to keep eating ice cream.

I torture women and get away with it, because I have the money... ooops, ledger entries... and am willing to use it to destroy their lives if they speak up, and I want to be president.

Moral equivalent? Same, same?

The men's World Cup has twice as many teams (32) as the women's (16 teams) playing twice as many games (64 v 32), so that has to be considered when talking revenue and prize pool.

While the men's tournament generated $6 billion in revenue, (~$90 million a game) the women's was a rounding error of the men's number at $130 million (~$3.7 million a game). Men's tournament pays out $400 million (~6.6% of revenue) while the women's pays out $30 million ( 23% of revenue).

If the women are successful in their demands for equal pay per game, then it will simply mean the end of the women's game. They can't pay out $200 million in prize money for a tournament that generates $130 million revenue.

She is just another Pig wanting to be Sodomized by the 3rd world.

You are a very sick and troubled person. I would recommend mental health help for you. You really are a twisted person.

Rapinoe drops the F bomb on live TV...………..and nobody in the MSM is going to comment on her lack of class.

Like she is the first athlete to drop a F bomb on live TV? Is it because she is a Lesbian or is it because she has bad mouth your leader???????

Be upset about something worthy of being upset about. There are first world problems.

"comment on her lack of class." Her class is up her ass. She is just another Pig wanting to be Sodomized by the 3rd world.

Rapinoe drops the F bomb on live TV...………..and nobody in the MSM is going to comment on her lack of class.

Watching Soccer is like watching grass grow on a rainy day. Forget it!

I can't imagine caring about men's soccer let alone women's soccer. if the women can bring in as much money as the men they obviously should be paid equal. If not shut up and make me a sandwich lol

Thanks for the additional info. The main point is that revenues are roughly even, except for tournaments, and pay is roughly even, except for tournaments.

The bigger question is, did you earn money from selling licensing rights?

@AZ

You are correct, but a itsy bit off in being complete.

Nike/Addidas/etc. buy the right to sell the jerseys. This is done as a license deal and advertising deal. The advertising rights is a fixed amount and covers various mediums. The jersey sale though is a license deal. They guarantee a certain minimum and each jersey has a license fee attached to it. This is also controlled by channel. Here is the flow:

If Nike sells the jersey to Dicks, that is classified as a wholesale sale. Nike will pay, as an example, 10% of the wholesale price as a license fee. The minimum I mentioned above is the min license fee to be paid (generally quarterly) over an annual period.

If Nike sells the jersey online, that is classified as a retail sale. Nike will pay MORE as a license fee. They could pay up to 2 to 3x the original license fee.

These are also tracked on a per region/country basis and the rates are established for those as well.

How do I know all of this? First, I owned a factory in Mexico that made apparel and Nike was our largest client. Two, I owned about 30 trademarks that I licensed out. Three, I had licenses for RocaWear, Jantzen, Johnston & Murphy to name a few. And lastly, in 07, I helped a friend who was buying the DC United. They got their money back from apparel licenses!

So going back to the equal pay. If you see equal jerseys sold at equal prices you will then have that part of the equation in balance.

This topic is as boring as the game of soccer is. Neither will succeed in America.

The biggest income streams to the national teams is sponsor, merchandise and marketing rights, and those are done jointly.

Nike buys the rights to sell jerseys, it get the right to sell both men's and women's. Nike buys the rights to have it's logo on that jersey, it goes on both the men's and women's. Nike buys the right to call itself the official shoe of the US National Soccer Team, it gets men's and women's.

Also, within the USA, they actually do sell similar number of tickets, for similar price, with similar extra fees. But half of the games are outside the USA, where the men generate more income from the friendlies.

This is why they get very similar pay for their 20 friendly game season, though the women get $100K base pay and $2K to $5K bonus for winning, while the men get $0 for base pay, then $5K for losing and $7K-$10K for winning.

Because the "outside the USA" revenues are so different, the women are actually getting paid a higher % of the revenue they generate then men. In short, the men are already subsidizing the women based on the revenue they generate when they go to Europe and play men's teams.

Tournaments is, of course, the BIG problem. You simply can't pay the same when the women's tournament pays out $30 million and the men's pays out $400 million. IF we made a law requiring equal pay, all it would do is force the national team to lower men's pay from tournaments, not raise women's. What that means is that the men's team would suck even more since the top players would skip the tournament to keep playing with their pro team.

BTW: no change would need to be made to make men's co-ed. Women can already play in men's, if they can make the team.

Same with tennis. Any women that want's to play the men's circuit is more than welcome to. When Serina was at the top of her game and winning every women's championship, she played a guy that was ranked like 50th. He blew her off the court. Afterwards she had to admit that she was just over matched. The man could get to and easily return serves that would have gone right by a top ranked woman.

Basketball too. I was at a meet and greet with Diana Terasi (one of the top women pros) and a fan suggested she was as good as pro men. She shut that down. She said that maybe if she was a foot taller, 50 pounds heavier, and could bench-press 100 pounds more, she could be a so-so male player. Yeah, she's not happy with the $100K max WNBA wage cap, but until they can pack a stadium and get the tv ratings of the men, that couldn't change.

I had a similar discussion last night with some people. One guy was adamant that this was going to be a watershed event in that the women would get equal pay. I responded back by saying I doubt it. I said, you will see equal pay when you see equal revenue streams. The guy looked confused. I asked him to name the revenue streams that teams/leagues have. He could not rattle them off.

They are . . . broadcast rights (Tv/Online/replays/clips), seats in the stands, tax incentives (generally soft dollars), concessions/parking and then apparel/licensing. I told him that until those are in line with male versions, then they will not get equal pay. He pointed out that Nike lists the woman's jersey as selling the most ever for one season of a soccer jersey. I told him, yup, that's fine, that is just one part of the equation and it was for only one season. I also pointed out, like AZ mentioned. This is a worldwide wide thing, not just a US thing.

The days of systems where it is completely one sided and unfair to the players is pretty much over. Sure, the owners may have an edge, but it is by no means indentured servitude. Most of these deals are based upon a split. With Z being the total take, X goes to players and Y goes to owners. The only negotiation is how much of a split that is.

If they think they are as good as the men, and the competition is the same, they could simply join men's teams and push for co-ed. Why stop the equality chant at pay? If you're equal, play with the men. Separate but equal was thrown out a long time ago :-)

It is WAY more complicated than many would have you believe.

The women don't have professional leagues to go to. Because of that, their union negotiated an exclusive contract with national team, and the women get paid $100K a year base salary if they are selected to join the team. In addition to that base salary, they also get small bonuses for a win in friendlies (games not part of a tournament), but no bonus for a loss.

The men want to be free to sign with a pro team should the chance be offered. The men's union negotiated a non-exclusive contract for the men, so men selected to the national team are free to "go pro" at a moment's notice. The men get NO base salary, and much bigger bonuses for playing in a game, win or lose... Like $5K for a loss and $7-10K for a win, depending on how good the opponent is.

In short, the women are locked onto the team for the whole year, and the men are free-lance, getting paid only for the games they choose to show up for.

In a 20 friendly game average season, the men and women do get paid roughly the same... $100K + bonuses for winning.

The issue then becomes the tournaments. True, men earn more from losing a World Cup game than women earn from winning.

1) The men have to skip pro-games to play in World Cup.
2) Base salary! They year of the World Cup, there are fewer friendlies, so part of that salary goes to playing the tournaments.
3) The prize pool for tournaments comes from global tv rights. Women's world cup pays $30 million total prize money. Men's pays $400 million.

Yes, as many people in the USA watch women's world cup as men's world cup, but the tournament doesn't pay based on how many people in the USA are watching, but rather, around the world. Get people around the world to watch women's soccer as much as men's, so that they can sell the TV rights for the same price, so that the prize pools are the same size, and poof, women can get paid as much as the men for tournaments.