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Shall we get into the interracial crime statistics to show the BLM movement is a farce? All lives matter all the time. Equal rights for all. Voting rights for all. Justice for all. That is what we believe.

Tbrmskss.......from fast food to a Ph.D in statistics. Yeah right buttfucker. You and your little mob here try so desperately to justify a bunch of communist criminals burning down the US. You set here and cherry pick the stats you think you can twist. Bunch of desperate ass idiots. Let's make it even easier for you. I will break down more easy. Blacks are 13% of the population and commit 58% of violent crimes in the country. Now dumbass maybe if you stop committing so many damn crimes then you will have less interaction with the police. Pretty damn simple. We can go on forever with this.

212screwyou2... were the fuck you been bitch. Go set back in corner and smoke your stinking ass cigarette. The guy in St Louis was a RETIRED officer who was yes watching his friends pawn shop overnight because of the damn BLM riots. He was killed because of a stupid fucking BLM riot.
Motherfucker you are one fucking idiot.

Moekathy.......its because you can't disprove it so you call it lies. Fuck you dumbass

@tbr, Yep, but given the numbers, it looks like the odds of an officer being killed vs killing a black person are 40x, not 18x as claimed by the WSJ (per JC)? Of course it's a totally bullshit statistic, since there are way more black people than there are officers, resulting in that particular statistic being a high number, so to say it is eye-dropping is totally BS. But I don't agree that numbers are meaningless... We need to get back to more numbers, facts and quantization to get at the real truth after the last 4 years of total BS and lies. All the numbers point to a bias in the police currently. One thing I like about Biden is that he's a major backer of the police, and their REFORM (NOT police defunding), which I think is the right approach compared to some of the extremes on either side. The right thinks we should just let the police keep on doing what they're doing, while the far left wants to get rid of the police altogether, which is obviously a bad idea. We need police that will keep communities safe without oppressing them. It's the numbers that will let you know if police reform is making a difference at getting them to treat all populations fairly.

I'm a PhD physicist. I also have a 26 Oday, so that's another thing we have in common ;-)

JC555,

I’ve seen a white guy from the fascist far right drive car into crowd at Charlottesville and kill a woman.

I’ve seen other white guys drive cars into crowds of peaceful BLM protestors.

I’ve seen Dylann Roof murder 9 black parishioners.

I’ve seen Governors of Georgia (Maddox) and Alabama (Wallace) do some very ugly stuff to block desegregation

I don’t have statistics for the number of law officers who participated in the Lynchings of African Americans, but it is more than a few.

A white guy assassinated Martin Luther King Jr while he was leading a non violent protest on behalf of poor people (both black and white) in 1968.

The Texas Rangers—the police force of Texas—participated in ethnic cleansing of Mexicans and Native Americans in late 28th century and early 20th century.

I’ve watched white construction workers in the Wall Street area violently break up a peaceful protest against the Vietnam War.

I was in college when a white militia killed four people on the Kent State campus during a protest against the invasion of Cambodia under Nixon.

I’ve seen a white guy drive a car bomb into a federal government building in Oklahoma killing around 160 people

I’ve seen a White guy shoot and almost kill an Arizona congresswoman: Gabriel Giffords.

I know that in Colonial America rioters looted and trashed the home of a British officer and that this was part of an anti-monarchy protest.

Governments have used police and hired goons to break up with violence labor protests.

White Navy men rioted against Mexican Americans in 1943 LA

White people rioted against black people in Wilmington NC in 1898 and in Tulsa in 1921 and in St Louis in 1917 and in Chicago in 1919

White people have done some really weird shit in the USA, too much of it in defending white supremacy and white power.

America has been a very violent place, with much of the violence targeted at people of color, especially African Americans and Native Americans but also Mexicans and Chinese.

You probably don’t know much of the above history as you think one race being favored in the USA is un-American.

You are naive to the amount of violence directed at people of color to keep them subordinate and to deny them the vote.

But it’s not necessarily your fault. I’m sure you were not taught about this stuff in your schooling. This stuff so often gets his by our education

I suspect you were probably taught too that the Civil War was about the Southern states protecting states rights and not about the Sourhern states who seceded protected the political economy of slavery the white supremacy that “legitimated” such slavery.

I’m so glad that you feel equal to people of color and feel no superiority to any other race or ethnicity.

You maybe even have some black people as friends and would have no problem with your daughters dating or marrying a black man.

You may be also so politically correct that you challenge White people when you hear them talking in any racist or denigrating ways towards Black people.

Your political correctness not to prefer one race over another in any way is way cool. Keep up that political correctness.

It’s so great to have a “woke” poster in this forum who will point out my failings in being politically correct.

Ps. I don’t feel any personal guilt about this crazy weird power trip shit white people did because I am white. I would feel guilty if today I was perpetuating any of this weird shit or if I turned my back against calling out racism when I see it.

I focus a lot on white people’s racism as that has always been the racism in the USA that has the most power behind it and has done the worst damage.

Now let’s see you call out the appeals to racism by President Trump.

"I saw a retired black policeman in St Louis get murdered by BLM."

No, liar, you saw a pawn shop rent-a-cop get shot by looters during a BLM protest.

Also, your entire argument boils down to "cops are allowed to be criminals, because criminals exist". This may shock you, but most of us would like a higher standard than that. But, you know, keep kicking ass and all. I'll be here trying not to roll my eyes hard enough to sprain them.

jC555

One group or one ethnicity getting the attention and privileges and advantages is very American.

White men have gotten that advantage ever since the Constitution gave White men with property the vote and reduced Black people to 3/5’s of a person or to property’s and gave no vote and no equal rights to people of color or women,

You flunk history about what is American.

Racism or white supremacy is deeply American, right?

How else do you explain the long history of legalized slavery and then of legalized segregation.

My ass has not been kicked one iota by you

You are too busy kissing your own ass

It should be very easy for you to kiss:

You are a sphincter of very large circumference.

Trump’s very privileged White ass also got whipped so bad in Georgia in yesterday’s election .

Worst president ever and I don’t know whether you’d prefer to kiss his ass or your own.

"I must say I have kicked some liberal ass on here today. It's been fun folks, try harder another day. Lmao"

It always comes down to pigeon chess with you guys...

According to statista, there were 697,195 full time police officers in the US in 2019. 15 deaths divided by 697,195 officers gives you a 1 in 5,000 chance .

According to your numbers, 235 deaths out of 44 million is a one in 200,000 chance of a black citizen being killed by a policeman.

But, speaking as a Ph.D. statistician, these data are completely immaterial. There is much more to black citizens interactions with law enforcement than who shot whom.

"Take a look at the Bureau of Justice statistics and look at interracial violence crimes...."

There was some other stupid motherfucker that was pushing that bullshit line.

He was from the left.

And did it better than you.

We've heard it all before.

OK JC, here are the numbers for 2019: 48 police killed, 15 by a black person, or about 1/3. I couldn't find how many officers were killed by white people in 2019, but I found a study that said it was 71% in 2016, consistent with the 1/3 : 2/3 split, so I'll just say that ~30 of those murdered officers was by a white person. The number of white and black people killed by police was 370 and 235, respectively. There are about 240M white and 44M black people in the USA. So the rate of people getting killed by officers is 1.5 per million for a white person, and 5.3 per million for black people. There are about 800K sworn officers, so the rate of an office being killed by a white and black person is 37.5 and 18.8 per million officers, respectively.

I actually don't know what they mean when they say a police officer is 18x more likely to be killed by a black person than vice versa, but the above are the numbers. I guess you can draw some conclusions, like blacks are killed by officers at a rate ~3.5x higher than whites. In the other direction, an officer is twice as likely to be killed by a white person than a black person, ie, white people kill more officers than black people. However, if you normalize by the population of white and black people, a black person is ~2.7x more likely to shoot an officer than a white person. This is less than the 3.5x higher rate of black people being killed by officers than white people, so according to these numbers, there is a bias in officers; they're more likely to kill black people than be killed by them, when you compare those same rates for white people.

Bunch of lies and bullshit

Trump supporters will have endless false observations and facts.

Debating lies is just a waste of time!

Sapp.....I saw a retired black policeman in St Louis get murdered by BLM. I saw a white truck driver in LA get drug from his truck and beaten and hit in the head with a brick during the LA riots. Did you see those ?

JC555,

One picture can be worth a thousand words or lots of Googled statistics, however much I like facts and data.

Have you ever seen a policeman kneel on the neck of a White person and keep knee on him for 8 minutes until he is dead as happened to George Floyd?

Have you ever seen a White person beaten by 56 baton blows by 4 policemen after a traffic arrest for drunk driving as happened to Rodney King?

Have you ever watched white policemen open up barriers so White people could storm the US Capitol in support of a president? I saw that today or what looked like that today.

To be an uneducated, ignorant redneck from the lowly state of Alabama......I must say I have kicked some liberal ass on here today. It's been fun folks, try harder another day. Lmao

Sn1987.....do your own homework and do not ask me to do it for you. Find the stat you want and provide the source. Your assumption means nothing to me

Officer is 18x more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by an officer.

That's a misleading stat, just because there are far fewer police officers than black people. Did they happen to have the number for white males? I bet it's above 18x... or at least some high number. This is kind of like when people argue that twice as many white people are killed by officers than black people. Well, this happens because there are a lot more white people than black people. The really telling statistic is that the percentage of black people killed by officers is way higher than for other races.

I would also say that we are all in favor of having people be treated equally independent of race... but the problem is, certain races don't get equal treatment. So to me, it makes sense to try to remedy this, since as we said we want people to get equal treatment.

After today's unfortunate events do you liberals still believe in Defund the Police? Do you think a bunch of social workers could have defused this?

Btw.....the last stat I provided was from the Wall Street Journal in case you want to check

Sapp....I do not support the violence of today or anyday. I am in favor of fair and equal justice for all Americans. Sorry I don't believe in saying one group deserves more attention than another. It's very unAmerican

The violence we should be focusing on today is the violence incited by President Trump.

Right now bringing up BLM is a diversion, and we can debate it more
some other day.

I don’t have at hand the statistics that I ask you to consider. I would need to Google them. But you should get the point if you are committed to fair and just treatment for African Americans.

Why don’t you just post: “I am committed to fair and equal justice to African Americans.”

If you can post that in your own name, then we are on common ground and I’ll count you as a supporter of the agenda of the BLM movement.

Did you support the storming of the Capitol today by Trump supporters?

Sapp....when I the BLM movement is a joke don't take it so personally. I think we all matter all the time. The BLM narrative is a sham. As I said earlier. Officer is 18x more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by an officer. That is staggering.

Sapp.....you appear to have those statistics. Please provide and your source

JC555,

Give me these factual statistics

—number of African Americans enslaved as property and killed in Middle Passagr

—number of African Americans lynched in American history.

—number of African Americans killed by police after traffic stops versus percentage of whites killed by police after traffic stops

—average life span for African American men compared to Anglo men in the USA

—average number of years African Americans are sentenced to jail compared to Anglos sentenced to jail for same crime.

—Number of African Americans killed or injured by police in actions judged to be wrongful compared to number of white people killed or injured by police in actions later judged as wrongful police actions.

When I cite history, I’m citing facts and truths.

BLM is not saying that white lives don’t matter. Don’t take it so personally. BLM is saying that we need to give more care to equal justice for African Americans do they received as fair treatment as white Americans in the USA at the hands of law officers and the justice system.

Do you have problems with an effort to make sure that African Americans receive equal and fair justice in the USA?