2nd impeachment

EA......no I would not support an abortion clinic. Comparing the 2 is not a good comparison and I find totally ridiculous. Yes rich people do that are say in the manufacturing world. They have the cash and resources to get things started. We can't all be rich in wealth because then nobody really would be. When a company does start up and provides good paying jobs with good benefits then people prosper. They also as a company have to produce a good product that people want to but and keep buying. Then the company has to keep investing in their employees and products to stay relevant. Without someone having the resources to start that then well nobody benefits. Yes a wealthy person or group more times than not made that happen

So much to chime in about . . .

"Sapp......handouts and free stuff for all doesn't work. Never has and never will"

That is a good one though. Is the key there that it is for all? Are you ok with for some? If so, why not YOU?

Rich people do not make the world go round. Labor does and always has. A rich person did not get rich by themselves. They got rich off the back of someone else.

Would you be ok with an abortion clinic being open because it paid $45 an hour to its employees?

Large corporations got that way not because of how awesome they are, but how well they sucked off the government, either through soft or hard subsidies or influence.

AT&T got to be how it is by?

Walmart got to be how it is by?

I can go on and on. Every large company got to be what it is because of the government. They exploited a system to reward them.

Sap, "gentrification and the loss of low income housing." Say what it was, SLUMS. Now it is fit to live there.

JC555,

Los Angeles does have a problem with homelessness, and it's a complex problem, and not easy to solve.

Part of the homelessness in the downtown area arose with gentrification and the loss of low income housing.

Drug use is another part of the problem.

I've never studied what are the best options and policies of Los Angeles to reduce homelessness. I'm not a fan of Mayor Garcetti, but I don't have a fair way to evaluate him and what LA has done in regards to homelessness (and what it should do).

Utah has tried in some areas an intriguing way to deal with homelessness. They subsidize apartments for them (and provide counseling and drug treatment, I believe). They find this is a cheaper solution than all the expense of policing homelessness through other methods, such as aggressive policing.

I feel Karl Marx provides us with some very helpful tools for critical analysis. I think it is valuable to study issues by looking at how our ideology is shaped by our social class. I like his distrust of owners and embrace of more power to the workers. I think he's an exceptional critic of the problems of plutocracy and income inequality.

I like Marx for his study of economic history just as I like how Darwin gave us a new way to look at the history through the lens of evolution (and mutation, etc.)

Just because I like some of the ways Karl Marx taught us to analyze history and politics does not mean that I am a fan of what the Soviet Union did with Marxist thinking. I am not. I would also argue that they corrupted Marxist thinking and Russia was not best place to try Marxism in practice politically as it was more feudal in its economy and not industrial.

I do feel Marx was helpful in teaching us the degree to which people making decisions by trying to advance their own selfish economic interests and that this can lead to injustice.

Have you ever read anything by Karl Marx?

Peacefully and patriotically

JC555,

ps.

Yes, we all develop patterns of behavior, and toxic patterns or hurtful patterns are not easy to overcome, and people will keep in the same rut or same pattern or keeping doing the same shit over and over and over. In some cases, it can take serious therapy to stop doing the same shit, or falling in love with a great, non-dysfunctional or not too dysfunctional person).

I say the same thing about the USA. They say we should study history to learn from the mistakes of the past and not repeat them or correct them.

But I feel that what we learn from history is that we don't learn enough from history, and we keep repeating the same mistakes, falling into the same dysfunctional patterns, or we keep doing the same shit (like electing GOP Presidents who appeal to our racism and greed and presidents of both parties who get us involved in unnecessary wars and unwise military interventions).

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JC555,

Yes, I'd say that the shape of people's lives are determined in many by the products of their own decisions, but I also feel our lives are shaped by significant other factors, including the color of our skin, our gender, and most important the social class that we are born into.

Sociologists can make pretty good predictions about the shape of a person's life just by looking at their social class (or even the zip code in which they are born).

Our chance to go to college can be affected the quality of the local public schools and also by the educational levels or reading levels of our parents.

Some people are born with disabilities,. Some people are born in messed up families.

Upon birth, doctors give each newborn an Apgar test where they score the newborn on a score of 1-5, with 5 being the best. Those who get a 5 have the best chance of "success" in life as measured by social standing. Those who get a 1 will have the most trouble.

Or to use another metaphor: I feel that we are not all born at home plate. Some people are born third, some on second, some on 1st, some at home plate, and some are off the playing field with no chance to even get to home plate.

My 3 kids from my first marriage had two parents who were teachers, each with advanced degrees. I feel this made it easier for them to do well in school and go to college and get jobs that they love. I also inherited enough money that I could all their college costs. None of them had any loans. I feel this gave them an advantage.

I feel the fate of kids can be affected also by such things as whether they are tall or short or heavy set or thin or considered in the eyes of society attractive or un-attractive,

Also so important, if kids from the start are raised with love and care and an emphasis on being kind and compassionate, they will have more successful lives in terms of happiness.

I think kids also learn so much by example. I had very hard working parents. I feel I was given the gift of a strong work ethic by the example set by my parents.

As you can tell, I feel there is no short, easy answer to your question.

Sapp......wouldn't you say a good many people are products of their own decisions? Sure some have legitimate problems but many just keep doing the same shit everyday and blame others for it.

Sapp......you have a drug problem and people homeless right in your backyard. Your political leaders seem to condone drug use then wonder why you have homeless people everywhere. I could careless about Karl Marx teachings. If you want communism then move to another country

Sapp.....rich people make the world go around. Especially corporations and big business. If Alabama gave tax incentives for a dildo factory that people could make $30/hour working at then I would support it.
Of course I don't want people to go hungry and yes I know some people need assistance. I don't care for the people who buy groceries with a EBT card and then walk out and drive off in a Mercedes. Kinda like all the fraudulent unemployment money California paid out to people robbing the tax payers. Surely you have a problem with that.

JC555,

The USA has by far the highest GDP in world. That alone does not eliminate poverty or hunger or homelessness

Similarly, California can have the best or 5th best GDP among states and that alone does not eliminate hunger and homelessness.

Ideally, the USA with highest GDP in world would have a lower percentage of people in poverty and in hunger and less
homeless than countries such as Denmark and Sweden, but that is not the case.

Why not? Karl Marx could give you a good answer as could Jesus Christ.

JC555,

Can you answer straight: did you favor or oppose Trump’s handouts to the rich and handouts under Obama to corporations and Wall Street institutions?

Do you oppose “handouts’ for food security, or what used to be called food stamps?

Clyde... they will put Newsome right back in. The majority there love his kind

Michael Avenatti - Stormys extortionist .

Clyde,

Stormy Daniels would disagree with you about everybody getting screwed by Biden (vs Trump).

Maybe one of the very few who didn’t get screwed by Trump over the last 4 years was Melania

Looks like CA Loves Newsome so much they have a recall election coming .

Sapp.....the rich will always be rich. No matter what and I do not care. Just look at your boy Hunter Biden. A no good drug addict, kicked out of the Navy, knocked up a stripper, banging his dead brothers wife and because of his daddy gets rich. Got 2 million up front for some damn book, just bought a home in Venice Beach at 25k/month. Yeah Bidens are really worried about anyone else.
So with your state having the fucking 5th biggest economy in the world tell me why you have addicts and homeless people everywhere. That's your policies at work right in your state. Fuck that shit

“maybe they should work on solving poverty”

They are working fast to create poverty !

JC555,

I consider Trump’s tax cuts a massive handout to the rich.

The Federal government also gave massive handouts to corporations such as GM and some financial institutions in the time of the Great Recession.

Are you ok with those handouts?

Also, do you have a problem with food security programs or do you prefer people in the richest country in the world to go hungry and starve?

Impeach Trump again, he removed the DO NOT REMOVE tags from all his Hotel mattresses 35 years ago.

Sapp.....with unemployment at record lows, economy was thriving until covid19 hit. Looks like the tax cuts were working. We have done much better with covid19 because of our strong economy we had.

Only a democrat would be proud of this clown show of a impeachment !

The world is laughing at them !

Sapp......handouts and free stuff for all doesn't work. Never has and never will

PhnxFun:

The mob insurrection against the Capitol that resulted in 5 deaths and much terror is something of consequence, which should not be ignored and Trump should be held responsible and Cruz and Hawley should be censured or expelled from the Senate for aiding and abetting the lies that contributed to this tragedy.

Meanwhile, President Biden is giving time to economic issues including poverty to be taken up by Congress later in the form of legislation including such things as forgiveness of done student loans and more stimulus payments and a new Civilian Conservation Corp., etc.

What would you like to see Biden and Congress do to reduce poverty?

More tax cuts for the rich so it will “trickle down”?

Ok the GOP has tried that a few times and it doesn’t work, but the rich do get richer

2muchFun;

You can change that to: a conviction of impeachment.