2nd impeachment

Tbrm......you grade an F.

@jc I love what Biden had to say when asked about what he'd do with the Justice Dept:

"That's not the role -- it's not my Justice Department. It's the people's Justice Department."

And yes, I'll hold Biden to the same standard that I held to Trump. Biden has to let the Justice Dept work 100% independently, especially with regard to Hunter. The law is the law, and no one is above the law.

Definitely refreshing after all the corruption in the previous administration. Trump thought he was the law. That's why he's in trouble now. Only president to be impeached twice, SMH.

JC555,

Thanks for the correction.

Yes, I will grade myself. I give myself an A- in these posts in this Forum, an A- in my personal life and interactions, and an A in my professional life for doing what I set forth.

I am more sarcastic here in this anonymous forum, where we do not interact face-to-face, than I am in other places.

How are you doing about reading about white privilege from points of view that oppose yours? I give you a D- on that.

B+

LOL.

JC555,

ps. What is even more damning or telling about ex-President Trump is that, whether or not he incited the riot against the Capitol, when he had a chance to restrain or contain its fury, he did not.

He remained silent. I believe he also hesitated to call in more protection He eventually said something, that was weak. He later read lines from a teleprompter as if forced to do so.

Trump on January 6th continued and accelerated a fall into deep disgrace as President of the USA that began on January 20, 2017 with his Inaugural Address

Sapp......it was actually 10 Republican house members who voted to impeach Trump. That should have you all tingly inside. Are you going to grade yourself or not?

J_C55,

Actually, I think the worst lawyer in the USA would be able to make sure that President Trump will not be convicted on Impeachment charges. Even Rudy could do it.

To convict Trump, at least 17 GOP Senators will need to vote to convict, and, sadly, I don't think the GOP has 17 profiles in courage and conscience to do that,.

McConnell certainly came out with a strong indictment of Trump for inciting to riot, but I suspect he will stick his finger to the winds to feel which way the wind is blowing as generated by big money donors to the GOP and vote accordingly.

7 Republicans in Congress voted to impeach Trump. That impresses me.

A very large majority of distinguished American Historians have come out in support of Trump's conviction, and that impresses me as much. They don't have to respond to voters about their judgment.

If Trump had not en gaged in a demagogic campaign against the vote on November 3rd that had him losing by 306-232 electoral votes and if he had not promoted a "Stop the Steal" rally and demonstration on January 6th and if he had not called upon the people in the crowd to "fight like hell" (after Giuliani had called for "Trial by Combat") and if he had not called upon the crowd to go to the Capitol, I am sure the Capitol never would have been stormed and illegally invaded in a very scary action that injured up to 100 police officers and killed one.

Is that enough to convict him on incitement to riot and violating his oath to ensure domestic tranquillity? I think so. Again, I also suspect there will not be enough GOP Senators to vote to convict on the Impeachment charges. They would only do that if a Democratic president was up for the very same charges over the very same incident.

Sn.....of course it will be nothing. The Big Guy is in charge now. Hunter will just fade back into his foreign business ventures making more money now because daddy has been promoted.

@jc Well, I think it's always best to go directly to the original sources if possible. If you look at the public info available, the firing of Shokin (the Ukraine prosector) was broadly sought by U.S. and European officials and reflected the official Obama administration policy, so Biden was just doing his job, and doing a good one at that since he was successful at executing the west's goal to clean up the corruption in Ukraine. There were even 8 senators at the time that wrote a letter and signed it saying they supported getting rid of Shokin. It was a bi-partisan matter at the time. It's only made into a partisan issue now because the far right wants to try to manufacture any kind of dirt they can.

BTW, the FBI investigated and cleared Hunter of all of that foreign corruption stuff. Did you know that? The new investigation they are looking into is some kind of tax issue, brought up by IRS investigators. We'll see what happens with that, but I'd wager that it's another nothing-burger.

Sapp......B+. Now grade yourself?

JC_555,

I think psychologists and other scholars of how we think in studies of dealing with cognitive dissonance and selective listening will tell us that all of us--and even you--tend to agree with what we want to hear more than what we don't want to hear.

Fortunately, there are those--and, frankly, I include myself--who seek out opposing voices or contradictory voices to what I want to hear, and some do it better than others.

Some people are much better than others at carefully listening to more than one side of an argument and listening fairly to dissonant voices and grounding their judgment in wise evaluation of the evidence.

Frankly, it's pretty easy to tell reading the posts in the Forums who has better aptitude and inclination and training in doing this than others.

What grade would you give yourself for your ability to listen to voices that you don't agree with or overcoming the tendency to hear mostly what we want to hear and your ability to seek out evidence that challenges your own point of view?

2much....I have no intention to "Geat Real" in what you call real.

Sapp.....thanks. I am flattered. After victory I will ask President Trump to send you an autographed pic made to you.

"Was Waters censored? Have you listened to both videos from start to finish? The capital ambush started while Trump was still speaking.

I've seen both videos. Waters is caustic for sure. She may have crossed a line but not to the same extent as Trump.

Neither one was censored. Trump could have called for a press conference at any time. He was the President.

Trump had been inciting his followers for quite some time before his speech on January 6. Get real.

J_C555,

ps. I wish Trump could have you lead his legal team for the Impeachment trial. He'd be in so much deeper shit. You might, however, do a better job than one of Trump's former lawyers: Sidney Powell.

Sapp.......you just agree with what you want to hear. So pitiful

Erotic Amazon and sn1987,

Thanks so much for the clarifications and much better replies to JC555 than I gave or could give.

It's amusing to see more clearly how JC555 is firing blanks in his pinochle Gotcha game

Sn......oh yes your news source is always correct and everyone else is wrong. Stfu

2much.......always lurking aren't you? Was Waters censored? Have you listened to both videos from start to finish? The capital ambush started while Trump was still speaking.

Yes, we all know the video statement. I mean, the far right news played that on repeat all during the campaigning period. And it shows him talking about doing what EVERYONE in the US foreign policy establishment wanted him to do - get rid of a corrupt prosecutor in notoriously corrrupt Ukraine who was NOT LIKED by the west because that prosecutor would not prosecute corruption among Ukraine's politicians.

This particular conspiracy theory you are trying to promote here has been debunked by nearly every news source, except of course for the far right news sources. Not convincing anyone with this BS.

"If you interpret Trump as inciting a riot how do you not say Waters did the same."

Trump- the riot happened

Waters- no riot happened

Sapp.....Biden was videoed making the statement. It should be easy to find.

EA.....Well yes I am comparing apples to apples. If you interpret Trump as inciting a riot how do you not say Waters did the same. Why ignore one and raise hell on the other. House members can be removed by a 2/3 vote. That will never happen based off an interpretation.

JC 555,

It's been alleged that Biden did with the Ukraine what you are saying, but I haven't been made aware of any good proof of it or any charges that would hold up in court against Biden. But I welcome the GOP to investigate it and make a case grounded in facts and evidence about what you are charging.

I'm not sure what rant of Maxine Waters you are referring to. Frankly, I give very little attention to her speeches. I don't see her as an influential member in Congress. I pay much more attention to what AOC and Cori Bush have to say.

Please fell welcome to quote for me the speech or rant by Waters that you find objectionable or guilty of her inciting a riot. I don't remember her inciting any riot. I do remember her quoting Martin Luther King Jr's famous line that a "riot is the voice of the unheard" during the LA Uprising of 1992.

Some Democrats have done some silly stuff--posturing--in making objections to electoral college votes on the day Congress certifies the vote.

If you want to make some equivalence between what Biden did in Ukraine with what Trump tried to do with president of Ukraine in his phone call that got him impeached the first time, go ahead. It's not an equivalence, but give yourself a mental hernia making a case that there is one.

Similarly, if you want to make an equivalence or even comparison between a Maxine Waters rant that you see as an incitement to riot and what Trump (and Mo Brooks and Giuliani did on January 6th), be my guest, as it makes embarrassing any pretense you are making for being fair, incisive, wise.

Trump is facing his second impeachment trial.

Giuliani will most likely be facing "Discovery" in his defamation trial unless he tries pleading insanity, which should be his first successful plea before a court in ages.

JC - You should be careful with those 'ands' in your sentence. That is where the issues lie. You keep adding and to it. Let me clean things up a LITTLE for you.

"Did Biden use his position as VP by threatening Ukraine with aid so they would fire a prosecutor."

Yes, yes he did.

" who was going after Hunter"
Nope.

" and Barisma? "

The prosecutor was fired for NOT going after corruption.

"That is very similar to the first impeachment of Trump Second.....did Maxine Waters go on a rant that some would say was inciting a crowd to go after cabinet members out of line? That is similar to the second impeachment and in my view she was definitely trying to incite violence."

The constitution has a separate way of handling members of congress and the federal courts than they do the president. You are not comparing apples to apples.