2nd impeachment

@PHX

Again, you qualified the fuck out of your premise by saying constitutional. That was the circle jerk.

If you want to see the simple answer to your qualifier, then look no further at all the cases that Holder brought against certain states who were gerrymandering and playing with voting rights. And look at all the states that have to get approval from the feds to move voting borders and rules due to their history of suppressing the black vote.

Jim Crow laws were enacted and there was nothing in the constitution about it.

@sapp
It's truly hard reading some of your post without calling BS! After reading a few words of your hypocrisy, it's just not worth reading.
Do you take a break and smell what you are shoveling?!
Lol, the analysis of poster's.
Analysis of you- a true hypocrite!

ONEHELL---->There is a new question yearly?

Perhaps I've misunderstood. I thought you were all talking equal rights as they apply today? You know in 2021.

“ 2021 equal rights question”

Is that like the COVID 19?

There is a new question yearly?

Crazy to shoot your load in January. Who knows what November will bring.

SAPP - Wowzer! It took you four separate post and 1,400 works to avoid the simple question or to articulate what rights can I exercise today as a white man that a black man cannot? Was I surprised by the length and depth you'd demonstrate to avoid the 2021 equal rights question? Not in the least.

3 years after Benghazi attack, GOP was holding hearings with Hillary Clinton in their continuing investigation of the attack and Hillary’s role

3 weeks after mob riot attack on Capitol that led to more deaths or as many as Benghazi, and GOP are calling upon us to move in and forget it and seek unity.

Is anyone fooled by this hypocrisy or unable to see it besides HFT?

PhnxFun,

By the way, were you a voter in Arizona in 1990, and did you happen to oppose or vote against the holiday for Martin Luther King Jr back in 1990 and were you and admirer of Gov. Evan Meacham?

Gov. Bruce Babbit of Arizona signed an executive order in May 1986 declaring that the third Monday in January of every year should honor King.

But then the next governor, Evan Meacham, made it his first act in office to rescind the proclamation, switching MLK Jr holiday to a Sunday, so that workers would not get a day off from work honoring King.

Arizona voted against the creation of the holiday in 1990.

Later, thanks in part to NFL protests against playing a Superbowl in Arizona, voters approved a measure to create the holiday.

John McCain, such a "noble" soul, as a first year Congressman from Arizona, voted against a holiday commemorating Martin Luther King Jr., citing cost as one of the reasons for his no vote on the holiday.

McCain also voted against the 1990 Civil Rights Act, which sought to ban discrimination in employment at American businesses.

White privilege includes not being discriminated against in employment in American businesses before 1990 in Arizona or not having a law prohibiting such discrimination standing in the way of obtaining a job.

Phnxfun,

Here's another wonderful privilege I have because of my whiteness, which I have mentioned before.

When I walk before a group in my profession for the first time, and they take a look at me, I feel that few or none among the many, are wondering whether I obtained my position because of affirmative action or some hiring process that chose a person of color or a woman over a white man because of the need to diversify.

But I have had affirmation action in the college admissions process work twice very much in my favor. I was a sports admit to my Ivy League college. I was recruited to play soccer, and my high school coach was close friends with the college's varsity soccer coach. I got tabbed as a sports admit, even though my SAT scores and GPA would. not have placed me in a likely position to be accepted by that college.

Then lo and behold, when my oldest daughter was applying to college, I was again the beneficiary of Affirmative Action, the alumni legacy benefit. She applied to two Ivy Colleges. She was placed on the waiting list of one, and was accepted at the college that I attended.

Of course, my advantages that enable me to go to college go back further. My father was the son of a Swedish immigrant. He attended a small liberal arts college in Vermont in 1935 that was entirely white. He had no trouble getting a job in a white collar business upon graduation. He became financially successful enough to send me to a private high school, and I graduated from college with zero loans to pay. On my Mom's side of the family, I come from a long line of landholders in America that go back to Puritan New England. On that side of family there I have the benefit of a long line of people owning land, which increases and value, and I inherited a good chunk of money after my parents died, much of it from the value of the house they owned in a upper middle class suburb in NJ (where Chris Christie now lives).

To make a long story short, I am the beneficiary of my father's whiteness, and from my ancestors whiteness on my Mom's side in coming from a long, long tradition of owning property. If my ancestors had been reduced to property as African American slaves or redlined by banks or not able to attend college because of discrimination or get a mortgage from a bank because of the color of their skin, so that I would have much less inheritance, I would not have the wonderfully privileged life and job that I have now.

Anyone who would like a different perspective on US history needs to read some Zinn or Chomsky.

Phxfun,

I have no clue about who you are, how yow and where you were raised, what you have read and studied, or the amount of interaction and friendships and close relationships you have had with African Americans, or if you have even ever read a work of literature or memoir written by an African American.

I form judgments of people quickly reading their posts, and, frankly, they seldom surprise me, but that is in part because the exchanges her are quitte superficial, however much some of us share more about who we are and have been and what we do and our passions and curiosities outside of swinging and erotic adventures.

I am curious about what has shaped your political beliefs and ideology or what you feel has shaped it. I'm. curious about your investment in denying white privilege or how the history of anti-black racism is still affecting us.

Trump succeeded so much in becoming president by appealing to anti-black and anti-brown racism. He has a long history of being racist, including as an.owner of apartment buildings and taking a lead in the birther movement against Obama.

You can be a success in in the high levels of politics (Senator, President) as a white man by appealing to anti-black racism. Try being a success at high levels in politics as an African American appealing to anti-white racism.

I'd be glad to give you the title of some essays by Baldwin to read. But again, just watch "I Am Not Your Negro."

Phnx,

The problem is that you see difference in color of skin but your deaf, dumb and blind to understand the differences of being Black in America and White in America, and you would need to read Baldwin and study history and read African American literature and listen to African American voices, past and present, to begin to understand that difference. But you have no empathic curiosity, so I don't expect that from you.

We are all creatures of self-interest (as well as creatures, I hope, of compassion and kindness and love and empathy, and I could list you a million ways easily how whites have profited over their whiteness and dehumanizing African Americans and denigrating them to a subordinate , inferior status, and how the consequences of those actions or the legacy of that anti-black racism are still all around us.

Baldwin was the son of a minister, and he turned to writing essays and novels as a way of preaching, and his preaching in part was to try to save American as a place of equality and justice, which had been wrecked by that long legacy of rendering African Americans inferior to the white man. He wanted to use his words to create a more perfect union, a more just America, a more fair America, and if you think he was just out to profit himself materially, you are hopeless and clueless.

Have you ever read an essay by James Baldwin? What do you know about him other than what I have said? Are you speaking from ignorance or knowledge? Are you just projecting a stereotype on Baldwin? Just because maybe a primary concern of yours is making lots of money does not mean that is the primary concern of every writer, minister, teacher, professor, social worker, judge, etc.

Baldwin, if you cared to understand him, could save you even maybe from a dessicated understanding of people and yourself. I don't know you but you are have as much depth, complexity, and understanding as a slice of Wonderbread has taste compared to the rich range of breads that one can. savor, including brown bread and pumpernickel.

You cite some cases where in your experience white men and black men are equal. But let's say you are standing in line to get an airplane ticket or there is some problem with airplane reservation, and you want to talk to someone higher up than the person serving you, and then you keep going higher up to solve the problem, and one privilege of being a white person is that the higher up you ago in a business or to solve a problem by talking to people in power, the much more likely--like a 98% certainty--that you will end up talking to another white person.

There is something that money can not buy: intellectual curiosity and empathic curiosity.

Got to love how PHX's rant had to have one major qualifier: constitutional.

SAPP---->One of my favorite lines from Baldwin is when he is asked about the "Negro Problem" in America. He gives a cutting, fantastic retort. He says, we don't have a "Negro problem." We have a White Problem. He adds, we need to understand why so many white folk have such a need to feel superior to black people and other people of color. Do any of you have any insightful answers to that question?

Insightful answers? I'd say Mr. Baldwin had a very strong bias to see the world through the lens that served his constituency, those buying his books and driving some revenue. Here is what I find odd about his POV. First, I've yet to find a person who can tell me in 2021 what constitutional rights I enjoy as a white man that are not available to black men? Second, prior to CV19 I was on about 40% travel. Everywhere I went I saw black men living a mirror existence to my own. Black men on the same airplanes and to not required to sit in the back, nay, some were actually flying the planes. Car rental asking me for the same level of identification as the black man standing next to me and renting the exact same class of car. 4-5 star hotels, it was not uncommon for a black man to walk out of the room across the hallway from mine, ride the same elevator and (GASP) eat in the same restaurant. So unlike Mr. Baldwin I am not preoccupied, preconditioned or rewarded (book sales) to see any difference other than the obvious color of the skin. I could go on about any number of routine, mundane Monday through Sunday life experiences with zero difference between me being white and someone being black. See my point? Now you won't of course, but I've come to expect that already Professor :)

Dear Tone Deaf posters on the right,

Obviously, I was being sarcastic about trusting what is in a book. I was trying to be irreverent towards a post made by JC555.

I do value deeply learning from books, but I also believe deeply in questioning any source of authority and power and influence on our minds
and hearts.

I have more than several books that I take as key guides for my pursuit of life, liberty and happiness and my understanding of American politics and history and for reckoning with the long history of racial injustice in the USA and its legacy.

As I noted, one of my favorite guides in this regards are the essays by James Baldwin,.

If you prefer movies and YouTube clips to reading books and essays, I recommend the great documentary "I Am Not Your Negro" about the thinking and insights and life of Baldwin as he reflects upon the significance--and his own personal connection--to three African Americans who were assassinated in the 1960s: Medgar Evers, Malcolm X, and Martin Luther King Jr.

One of my favorite lines from Baldwin is when he is asked about the "Negro Problem" in America. He gives a cutting, fantastic retort. He says, we don't have a "Negro problem." We have a White Problem.

He adds, we need to understand why so many white folk have such a need to feel superior to black people and other people of color.

Do any of you have any insightful answers to that question?

Baldwin has great answers that we can find in his essays and books written from the late 1940s into the 1980s.

I think these are all good questions for SAPP since he originated the line about reading something in a book, therefore it must be true.

"Let's examine that. So if it's written in a book that many revere, it must be true?"

Like JC5's Bibles?

Or avionics manuals?

Or books on electronic principles?

Or law books?

What is the reason for distain of books by Conservatives?

@PHX

Sure . . .

Just like any book that Milton Friedman has published that you idolize :)

Just like how there is a group of people who idolize Ayn Rand. Hell . . . we have a fucking senator named after her!

Just like there are 2+ billion who believe in the bible, but selectively switch between the stories being factual or a metaphor.

Religion is the opium of the masses.

SAPP---->I have a book whose author I revere who says white privilege is not a myth, so that must be the case, right, since it’s in a book, and others revere this author too.

Let's examine that. So if it's written in a book that many revere, it must be true?

Correction: I have a book whose author I revere who says white privilege is not a myth, so that must be the case, right, since it’s in a book, and others revere this author too. (James Baldwin, African American, is one of my spiritual and moral leaders.)

White supremacy was a legal reality for 180+ years in the USA as legalized segregation lasted until 1964-65, and the legacy of that white supremacy is still with us.

Let me count the ways White privilege is no myth. I’ll count the top 10 if you want.

Of course wealth has its advantages too.

I invite any white dude in here denying white privilege to switch into the skin of a black or brown or Asian person for a year and visit every part of the USA including areas that are high majority white abs then tell me there’s no advantage to bring white in the USA. Or try going to a school as the only person of color in the school. Or being a person of color and going to a small liberal arts college that is very high majority white in a very white place. I can tell you stories about people of color who have experienced that including within my extended family of nieces and nephews. One of them transferred to a college back in LA area after her freshman year.

And tell me if you start out at 22 with a Fortune 500 company, what ethnicity do you want to be to have the best chance to become CEO?

God is a myth; white privilege in the USA ain’t.

I have a book that says White privilege is a myth, and if it’s in a book, it can’t be a myth, right?

Actually I have personal evidence or personal witnessing to the privileges of being white. I’ve mentioned some of that evidence abs experience before.

JC555,

People are and have been immigrating to Sweden and Germany and countries called socialist.

In Sweden, social mobility is better right now in the USA. There’s more if a chance there of rising from lower class to a higher class than USA.

Check out the counties with the highest rate of social mobility. The USA is not at the top or in top 3. I will check out for accuracy the top 3.

I’ve never argued anything about exalting Communist countries. I think Marxist critical analysis should be taught along with other forms of critical analysis such as deconstruction.

The USA has significant aspects of socialism in it including Social Security and Medicare. Do you want to end Social Security and Medicare? Under Lincoln, thanks to Homestead Act, government gave away for free 160 acres of land to people willing to live and work on it for 5 years. Is that socialism? It also gave away land to private Railroad companies and helped subsidize the building of the transcontinental RR. Was that socialism? Unemployment benefits from the government? Is that socialism? Do you want to end unemployment benefits, food security programs?

Jews have evidence that Jesus never existed. The Torah and Dead Sea Scrolls..... and common sense.

Muslims believe their Quran and Hadiths outweigh your multi-version book.

Buddhists have their Tipitaka.

Hindus have The Vedas.

Catholics have more books in their Bible.

There were even Crusades over religion, land and gold.

But Christians hold the supreme knowledge of the only Creator?

"What a laugh."

Please provide the name of a Biden voter who committed voter fraud in the 2020 election.

As far as Trump voters, look up Bruce Bartman...

"The Bible Is the only evidence I need to present."

Good for you.

I wish more people who believe that the Bible is the word of God would read it and take it's precepts to heart.

Tbrmskss......no Biden voter found to be guilty of voter fraud but Trump voters were. What a laugh.