Is swinging illegal or something?

I live about 30 miles from the New Brunswick border in a small Down East Maine town. My answer to this is because they want to just be noisy and perhaps they hope to see a women who isn't the cookie cutter type of a grandma stuck in their small mind way of thinking. Small minds, ignorance, It's the same way here, what people don't know they make up. We actually use a location 45 miles away because of what you are talking about. My suggestion is to stop having ( those kind) of party's at your location.

I suggest you read what you actually wrote.

This is the point where a person of integrity and character apologizes.

I've never thought of you as ignorant.

You're not a dumb or unreasonable person. But your singleminded searing hatred for a long list of people such as, well, almost any Republican, coupled with a need to try to tie almost any problem to them no matter how out there such a connection might be borders on something that might be better described by a psychologist. If I brought up a news story about AC/DC going on tour you'd probably find a way to make it about Trump and immigration.

And when I say searing hatred I really mean it. You hold a contempt for a great many people that I reserve for a very few; people like Pol Pot. If you think that's warranted, well, have at it.

And if you don't want to look like a passive aggressive fuckwad who engages someone in vigorous debate for literally years only to suggest one day that they're an ignorant asshole? Or is that baseline behavior for you?

If you'd prefer to not be thought of as one, you could always stop acting like one.

But you ain't pushing my buttons. This "story" got near-zero press in the Canadian media, because Canadians get the joke and let it be. It's Americans, 'ignorant' of the mythology of how Canadians look at this event, who looked like the fools on this one. I had quite a laugh at it when it was published, and another one when you went all unhinged about it.

As for this issue - you're outta your mind if you think this is all about social conservatives. Andrew correctly pointed out that disdain for swingers is widely distributed across all strata. Mrs VA's sister is deeeeeeep in the LGBT community; we went to her ex's lesbian wedding- officiated by a drag queen. The majority of these people that we've known think that a married m-f couple swinging is absolutely perverse.

"So since we're calling out ignorant assholes.... "

It's fun to push your oh so predictable buttons but, since you're getting personal, I'll just go with "fuck off asshole".

The question of legality I suppose, is an open one. Since sodomy is clearly legal between consenting adults, I suspect it's only a matter of time before some stupid prosecutor pushes the issue and the victim challenges anti adultery laws as a matter of equal treatment or privacy. The fact that it hasn't happened in the fifteen years since the sodomy laws decision suggests how little importance people attach to the issue. So the anti adultery laws give cover to the harassment tactics mentioned, social conservatives can blather about morality, and puritan Americans can indulge their pathological prurient fixation about kinky sex as usual. Perhaps one day we as a group will grow a pair stand up for our rights. Otherwise, I suppose we in some sense deserve to be harassed by these pathetic repressed assholes. Though unless the harassment get's bad enough it's hard to see swingers getting out of their comfort zone and rebelling ala Stonewall riot style.

to liberals sex is a political weapon. How dare someone have sex just for fun. Freedom and personal responsibility scare the hell out of liberals as much as sex for fun.

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t sounds like you got your answer as to the legalities of swinging. FWIW, I interpreted the "10 acres" thing as it's not in your neighbors face like it would be with the same event in a neighborhood where the houses on 1/4 acre lots.

If you still decide to stay and have parties anyway, some things that may be helpful -

• Don't make them predictable (i.e. the 3rd Sat of the month)
• Don't plan them out too far in advance
• Do let party-goers know to keep what happens at the parties to themselves or guests only, and preferable not discussed in a public place
• Consider installing wireless cameras/motion detector alarms
• If you do go with the motion detector alarms, let guests know about them in case they do go off during a party
• Confine the sex to inside the house and pull the blinds so people can't "accidentally" see in.
• Keep the noise level reasonable for your area
• Consider having porn on one of the TVs in the event you do get surprised to explain any "funny sounds" coming from the house
• if they aren't already, consider making the parties free and let people bring food or party supplies to help defray costs

Considering the population and all, I can't imagine you get that large a crowd. I do get how people with no lives love other people's dirty laundry and that you either "get it" about swinging or you don't. It's not something you can make someone understand if they don't "get it". All you'll get if you try is, "How can you let someone else fuck your SO?" Some people just can't separate love and sex, period.

I'd rather be THE ASSHOLE on a swinger forum than THE SWINGER on a vanilla forum, no matter how edgy the subject matter is.

"The other 40% would treat you like a child molester. Refuse to have any interaction with you they don't need to, treat everything you do or say with suspicion, cut you out of their life entirely if possible, and if not possible, actively work to isolate you from common friends or acquaintances. They would make themselves your enemy and there are enough of them in most people's lives to cause major problems."

I've experienced this myself, and learned the hard way. Both face to face with people who were friends, and very politically liberal, and with people online. Part of the reason I don't care about being so abrasive on this forum is that it's a habit I learned. I've been on internet forums since the mid-90s, and it was the wild west back then. I've been a member of every forum you people have ever heard of, and many you haven't, most dealing with news, politics, and social societal issues. Twice, on forums like that, I told everyone that Robin and I are swingers. After that, it didn't matter what I said about anything. We could be talking about interest rate policy of The Federal Reserve, or....what the fuck ever, and everything I said was instantly discredited because I was THE SWINGER!!! We used to own a shop at the local renaissance festival, which is an extremely liberal crowd. We told a few of them we were swingers. These are people who have all kind of respect for gay, transgender, you name it, political causes, but we were the freaks, because we went against the societal norm of serial monogamy. They were nice, but you get sideways looks and suspicion in a way that nobody else got.

curentrider,

See my most recent posts in the MAGA thread in Politics. All your questions will be answered about Trump and social conservatives.

Says the man that everyone wishes was dead...maybe not everyone but at least your wife and kids do.

Make sure you hold the grip away from yourself pointing the barrel towards you. Pull trigger slowly.

I don't have a gun tha can shoot that far...but when I do...DUCK!

LOL!

LOL well damn.

Now we're back to the OP. Shooting me is illegal. Please don't do so.

Seriously, I'd rather shoot you than convince you I'm right on any topic. :-D IF If it that's your end game.

Come on man. Are you saying you don't want a duel?

I don't know. I'm not the one with the pathological need to turn every topic into a rant about Trump.

Is "swinging illegal or is it something" like the political forums spewing out because they are tired of arguing by themselves. Pistols! Take 10 paces and shoot.

"Hey since you brought him up did you notice where that ignorant asshole said the other day that it was Canada that burned down Washington in the war of 1812? "

So since we're calling out ignorant assholes....

I didn't bring him up. You did. And yes, I saw what was reported in the headline as "Trump claiming that Canada burned down the White House." Since it was a private phone call and we have no way of knowing exactly how it went, we have no choice but to rely on the source that told CNN......

"According to the sources, Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a “national security” issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?” referring to the War of 1812."

Two points of order:

1. In 1812 as part of the British Empire, there was no actual distinction between any Canadian army or British army. So whether it was the British or Canadians who burned the White House is a, as someone might say, "distinction without a difference"

1. Given that lack of distinction, go ahead and ask any Canadian who burned the White House. They'll tell you that it was Canada who did it. This is a long-running quasi-joke among Canadians, who very much regard the War of 1812 as a war between the US and Canada, not Britain. So Canadians might at first claim it, and then you'd say "wasn't it actually the British?" and they'll sort of sheepishly said "yeah.... I guess.."

Of course, one might insist that Trump was not aware of this inside joke (which Trudeau most certainly was). Perhaps it was a lucky accident on Trump's part. But this is most certainly not an obscure reference of Canadiana, and I'd be willing to bet 4 orders of poutine and 2 dozen Timbits that Trudeau laughed his butt off when Trump said it, and not because he thought Trump was being an ignorant asshole (although he most likely thinks so otherwise).

I think Trump is a buffoon too, but you've taken it to a level of derangement.

"Congrats, Current, on your latest success in working a mini-rant about Trump into absolutely any topic."

Why thank you. Hey since you brought him up did you notice where that ignorant asshole said the other day that it was Canada that burned down Washington in the war of 1812?

Now that I've got that out of the way, I actually do think Trump is germane to the topic in this case. He's a serial adulterer. He has bragged about it in writing (or his ghost writer has at least with his approval). He got elected president with millions of social conservative votes. These are the same people who used to think any homosexual was a "freak" and undoubtedly still feel that way about trans and queer people (full disclosure, I'm not sure I could tell you what a "queer" person is but they can be whatever they want as far as I'm concerned, as long as they aren't also assholes). So clearly, whoever it is that resists removing these silly anti adultery laws from our books in state legislatures, doesn't feel strongly enough about it to actually let it affect who they vote for. The military is equally hypocritical about creating a self fulfilling prophecy of security threats around sexual behavior, in this case swinging (you are a security threat because someone could out you and you could be blackmailed. If you don't care about being outed you could still lose your job and your pension. That's a threat to your security-never mind that it's totally due to military policy-so you could in fact be blackmailed. ergo your swinging is a threat).

At some point hypocrisy goes beyond pure Hollywood entertainment value for pathetic losers with too much time on their hands and boring lives and becomes a problem for the country. For swingers we are at that point. At that point we may grow up as a country. In my lifetime? I doubt it. Does anyone think that we will ever have the balls as a group to stand up for our rights?

There are no swinger clubs in Vegas. Just lifestyle clubs where everyone talks all night long with no one playing.

This is one of those instances where Andrew is correct.

I don't think its possible to impress upon people strongly enough how badly the general population looks at us. I remember thinking that if we were to tell everyone we knew in our vanilla lives, about 10% would be cool with it, maybe 50% would be like "WOW I did not need to know that... never bring it up again please" and you might eventually bring your relationship b as back to normal, provided nothing you ever did again ever reminded them of what you told them.

The other 40% would treat you like a child molester. Refuse to have any interaction with you they don't need to, treat everything you do or say with suspicion, cut you out of their life entirely if possible, and if not possible, actively work to isolate you from common friends or acquaintances. They would make themselves your enemy and there are enough of them in most people's lives to cause major problems.

Swingers tend to lose sight of this. I had to remind Robin of this recently. To the vast majority of people, we are FREAKS. They don't get it, and no explanation, no matter how reasonable or rational, will make them get it. I don't even necessarily consider it a bad thing. When you hear about this lifestyle, you either get it immediately, and want in, or you think it's freakish and weird, and don't trust anyone who does it.

People who aren't swingers literally think all swingers are up for sex with anyone, anywhere, anytime, and if you're willing to do that, then why not kids and animals. And those are the couples.

This is why if you live anywhere but Las Vegas, Miami, parts of California, or other huge cities, the swinger club is either in the sticks, in the 'hood, or in an industrial district. You try to put one in any decent area, the local zoning board and county inspectors will nitpick you until you leave. Some vanillas literally think that we gather at the swinger club, talk amongst ourselves, formulate our evil plans together, then disperse out into the neighborhood to hunt and rape children.

WE ARE FREAKS, in every statistical meaning of that term. We are out of the majority. Don't try to normalize it. Don't ask questions about it. It simply IS.