Climate change

@ea...get over yourself...frigging lecture...thats all you ever have..or a cut and paste and claim it as yours

Scamp you didn't tell me shit, It was never Qanon, just because your MSM said it was, does not make it so. Good try though.

From Britannica dot com

“On October 28, 2017, an unidentified individual, or group of individuals, known as Q posted an entry on 4chan asserting that the arrest of Hillary Clinton was “already in motion,” a statement that was obviously false.”

“In a later post Q claimed to be a government official with ties to the Trump administration and top secret “Q clearance.” Q asserted that Trump would initiate “The Storm,” an attack on deep-state officials responsible for the cannibalistic satanic pedophile cabal invoked by Pizzagate. The resultant conspiracy theory became eponymously known as QAnon.”

In other words, Q = Qanon

Geesh Mickey, I can’t believe you need me to tell you this. Lol

~Scamp

What the fuck is Qanon? The Q I follow is Q, was never Qanon, anons are the diggers of crumbs. Geesh, get your facts straight. Get ready for some 2 3 and even 5 year Q deltas.

Mickey

@RO

It is your choice to cite sources or not.

But that Qanon bullshit of 'educate yourself' is that. It's bullshit. It's so weak. It is the tool of a person who has zero convictions in their argument. But hey, if it makes you feel better, cool.

But don't be surprised when people start calling your claims bullshit.

@EA..Not putting out any sources...you have a thing called Google..I see no need to educate you...besided you would slam the sources anyway..SLS rules I guess...Somehow, your wifes relative somehow or another farms, so problem solved

@RO

Let's see . . .

If the source is:

Alex Jones.

Glenn Beck.

Bill O.

Tucker Carlson.

You are right. I would have a lot of trepidation against what they are saying.

But you are the one making the claim, put out the source(s).

If you want to specifically talk about wheat, hell yeah production is down. Fucking droughts do that. I do not get to hear much about wheat. My wife's family is from farming communities in Illinois. I get to hear from those people about the shit that is going on. That area is mainly soybeans, pigs and corn. All I hear from them is drought, they never thought they would see the Mississippi that low (they reminded me of the picture I showed them of a building about 5 miles from the river that had flooding that went up 10' high)

So if you want to argue that climate change is going to impact the ability of the US to grow enough food for its citizens, I'll agree with you. I do not know where the point of no return is, I do not know if we are close to it. I do know that in my 20 years of living here, I have seen some interesting stuff as I drive from here through the central valley to the bay area. Just above where I live is Lake Cachuma. That lake is the main way we get fresh water. I have seen that the lake get to 7% of its capacity. You can see the white marks on rocks over 100' up where the water line was. But I have also seen in one day, the lake gain 25% of its capacity due to rain and runoff. I have seen empty fields in the Central Valley.

But again, I do not know when the tipping point is. There are so many variables. As I just had a hamburger for lunch, that impacted the situation. I would have done better to have 3 different plants on the plate instead.

Nope...Not doing your work for you, the listen to you whine about the source...FYI...Fritos corn chips, Doritos and Tostitos chips, and Cheetos: “The chips start as locally sourced fresh crop potatoes or whole grain corn and all-natural seasonings; no preservative NO WHEAT!

@RO

What diet are you trying to feed the whole US? Cheetos and Doritos, we can do that! Alaskan king crabs, nah. :)

nope.

You made the statement, you back it up.

doctor tbr...maybe look into wheat numbers, then explain your surpluses followed by food inflation

Current - "I was not aware of the ground fish predation angle."

That was speculation on my part, partly from the idea that the article I linked to said the "cold pool" created a border of sorts that the cod/pollack would not enter. If this cold pool is moving, and the crabs seek this to lay their eggs in (more speculation on my part), then laying their eggs outside of the cold pool would seem likely to make them more prone to predation, and a reason for the crabs to seek the cold pool in the first place.

Seeing a lot of juvinile crabs though would kind of fly in the face of that theory.

The crab population estimates are refined by extensive test fisheries each year. Some years these can miss the center of the biomass. This issue is also discussed on the Deadliest Catch series (I'm a fan too) by the Captains who have a particular and unsurprising take on the sampling bias.

A follow up article said that the Alaska Department of Fish and Game surveys this year indicated a large number of juvenile crabs. This was seen as somewhat positive for a rebound of some size in future. However it would seem to me to add weight to the massive dieoff versus migration theory. It seems unlikely that the parents spawned large numbers of juveniles and then beat feet. The article also discussed the crabs seeking out cold pools within the generally warmer water in 2018-2019. I was not aware of the ground fish predation angle. I am aware that groundfish, particularly pollock, have been under serious harvest pressure (many argue overharvest pressure) for a number of years. The range of the opilio crab has apparently moved 30 kilometers northward (about 19 miles) since the mid 1980s. Theoretically (seems likely to me) due to rising water temperature.

The government also buys tons of food that gets left to rot in fields and some is even dumped in the oceans.

Let them eat cheese!

The U.S. government has a cheese stockpile of 1.4 billion pounds in a cave in Missouri.

Damn socialists, subsidizing farmers!

~Scamp

"The US cannot today grow enough food to feed its people"

This is incorrect. The US exports billions of tons of food to other countries. Not to mention the foodstuffs used for animal feed.

No one is speaking in the big picture...the oceans are so fished out and poluted the entire food chain is way out of balance..Begining with the bleaching of coral reefs where the ocean food chain begins....bring this on land with the disappearing bee's..The US cannot today grow enough food to feed its people

That is the only thing that dumb shit headed jello brain knows...

@Andrew

Dude, you gave me a layup!

"Isn't it great how they say that every crisis can be solved by simply giving more money and power to the government?"

So you want to defund the police?

:)

Isn't it great how they say that every crisis can be solved by simply giving more money and power to the government?

LMAO

Scamp - "...said that more crab were being fished out of the oceans than could be naturally replaced."

That has to have some interesting math and process behind it. I've seen where they can estimate the number of female crabs that exist, probably from yearly catch numbers. They can probably come up with an average number of eggs/female, along with roughly how many of those eggs will make it to adulthood. Honestly, I have no idea how they can do some of that, but if they can, it would go a long way towards the part that overfishing has played.

An interesting thought was the shrinking of a colder body of water called simply the "cold pool". Apparently the temperatures were low enough to provide a barrier to pollack and cod, both of which are bottom feeders. I gather crabs seek the cold pool to breed.

As bottom feeders, pollack/cod would no doubt eat crab eggs given the chance. As far back as the 2017-18 season, they were given that chance due to a shrinking cold pool.

This could mean that there are now not enough crabs making it to adulthoood to sustain them at the rate they are being harvested, but it is not just over-fishing at play here. It takes 4-5 years for crab to reach sexual maturity.

Some of this info can be found at -

ww w.nationalfisherman. com/alaska/surveys-bode-bad-seasons-ahead-for-bering-sea-crabbers

Why do I get the feeling there will be a couple "studies" coming out saying there's too many crabs now

While the headline states that overfishing isn't the cause, it is clearly contributory.

From the article:

"Officials cited overfishing as their rationale for canceling the seasons. Mark Stichert, the groundfish and shellfish fisheries management coordinator with the state’s fish and game department, said that more crab were being fished out of the oceans than could be naturally replaced."

~Scamp

I'm sure the Google Doctors here have noticed the Crab decline on the East coast as well
New survey shows number of blue crabs dropped to 227 million, marking a low point in 33 years of tracking the crustaceans. The number of blue crabs in the Chesapeake Bay hit a record low, marking the lowest count in more than three decades of tracking the crustaceans, experts said.

Lobster numbers in some eastern regions are reported well below expected numbers.

Since the 1990s, the population of the Caribbean spiny lobster has decreased 20%, which matters — not only to fisheries and spiny lobsters — but also to the entire food chain of Florida’s waters.