Why so expensive for single males

Supply and Demand dictates that you can charge a lot for men as so many want to get their dicks wet.

It's pure laziness.. Instead of actually vetting the men and requiring a woman to bring them in, or a couple to vouch, or something along those lines... And to keep it from a sausage fest, maintain a good ratio by actually counting the people who come in.

Instead, they literally invite ANY single man, but charge them triple and act like it's vetting. Only thing you have vetted, is if that man is willing to spend $120 to go out tonight or not. And they haven't kept any ratio going because if 100 guys bring $120, they'd let them all in anyway.

My last post should have said " I do get that having extra SFs is more of a draw than having extra [SMs] for a number of people...."

FWIW - We also tend to avoid the parties that don't allow SMs simply because they are less fun for us.

I LOVE seeing the Mrs have a great time. Even at parties where the ratio is close to or over 2 guys for every woman though, it is rare that I don't play at least as much or more than the Mrs. As I've said before, we are not your typical LS couple.

It helps that we also know a lot of aggressive women. Something I think some guys may not take into account is that it just makes sense that you'd find more of them at parties that allow a number of extra SMs.

"There are many couples that prefer a party has no SMs, and there are plenty of parties out there that exclude them altogether."

I'm too lazy to quote your entire post, but I agree that any justification for charging single guys really high fees has no practical justification. Instead, it's a cash grab and one that leads to problems of entitlement (I paid twice what a couple paid and deserve to get laid).

As far as parties that don't allow single guys at all, that is equally misguided. A group that is only couples or couples and single women isn't very realistic about the difference between male and female sexuality. I have generally avoided those parties.

GGMM - That was the point I was trying to make. Charging guys more doesn't weed out bad/less serious ones necessarily. A guy can still be serious and simply not want to be taken financial advantage of. It goes back to hosts charge them more because they can due to a much larger supply than demand.

Most guys would probably be fine paying what a couple pays to go to a party, but in some cases they are charged closer to double. I do get that having extra SFs is more of a draw than having extra SFs for a number of people. I'm not sure that a party could have too many SFs as far as some couples are concerned, and it is less likely to ever be a problem for a host.

We tend to be a minority, in that given a choice between a party that had a few extra SFs or one with a few extra SMs, we'd always choose the one with the SMs. There are many couples that prefer a party has no SMs, and there are plenty of parties out there that exclude them altogether.

"Why are SFs so inexpensive, or free in some cases?".

Not super complicated. Many couples are looking for fmf and it's a rare single woman who isn't open to single men. That means single women are a draw for couples and solo guys, so it makes sense - especially since a lot of us getting into it are single moms with financial limitations - to lower the barriers for us, enough so that we're not so rare at clubs and parties as we are online.

That is a good point. I got nothing. It just seems like there are so few single women in swinging, it's assumed that they're in the Lifestyle because they've looked at it and they understand what they're getting into. I think a lot of single guys just think "wall-to-wall pussy 24/7" and don't realize that there's something demanded of them, too.

"Charging more is a way to weed out guts who aren't serious."

So another way to look at this is, "Why are SFs so inexpensive, or free in some cases?". Is there no concern that SFs aren't serious or that there is ever a need to weed out SFs?

"It's expensive for single guys because they would get overrun and they also want a certain type of males"

I think besides the transactional nature, this is probably the most logical explanation. Charging more is a way to weed out guts who aren't serious. I'm sure it goes a long way toward eliminating some of the married men. Harder to hide a bigger credit card charge or cash withdrawal.

The short answer is, "Because they can". Just supply and demand. It's not that "good" SMs aren't in demand as much as it is that there are so many SMs relative to couples and SFs.

FWIW - I believe the question was "Why is it so much more" and not that they weren't expecting to pay like everyone else. IMHO I don't think it's fair that SMs are so much more, but life isn't always fair. It's kind of like $10+ crappy draft beers at sporting events. So long as people are buying at that price then it will keep happening.

At some point, it could literally be cheaper to hire a prostitute where sex is guarenteed than to shell out what some are charging SMs to attend LS parties/events.

ww w.quora. com/Sex-Workers-and-Prostitution-What-is-the-universally-accepted-price-of-a-blow-job

If a man is not willing to pay to play he needs to stay home.

It's expensive for single guys because they would get overrun and they also want a certain type of males

Dealing with the overabundance of single guys by charging them more - instead of having a formula for sufficiently limiting the numbers so that it isn't a sausage fest - causes entitlement issues. Excusing the charge as not being that expensive if you factor in that the potential for sex makes it a good deal ignores that you've just approved the transactional nature of that, with women's bodies being the other half of the transaction. That's not really all that well thought out as an argument.

I like men. I like them enough that my preferred night to attend the club I used to go to was the one that wasn't gender balanced. Couples and single guys paid the same amount and single women were free, so there were usually lots of us, maybe half as many as there were guys on some nights. That club's descendent charges a nominal fee for women now and they have a specific orientation for single guys that they must attend before they get approved for membership.

It's just business for profit.

They charge single males more because they will pay more.

Have to agree with Foxy Angel. Vanilla dating can be expensive and there is no guarantee of sex. Like Foxy said, if you have game, the opportunity for sex with a sexy open female is a good deal at that price. We know some single guys who still go to strip clubs, spend tons more money and get less.

Either way 75 dollars to go to a club, get a dinner or snacks, have a room to have sex in and many willing ladies available (if you have some game) is not expensive

“ The problem is when you can't get your demographic by cultivating the group of people you want.”

This is from an event advertised in Bordentown, NJ yesterday.

• Inclusive Environment!
• No Locked Doors!

SIGN UP TODAY!

Couples, Single Women & Single Men (Black Men Only)

Not really inclusive at all, however, they’re letting you know up front the demographic that is permitted entry.

I think we're thinking the same idea, just coming to different conclusions. Let me say, I have no problem with a club/private party/event limiting single guys. Vanilla or Lifestyle, women tend to drive the crowd. I get it. Make it easy for women to get in and cheap, and everyone will follow. Men, couples, single women who don't want a sausage fest either.. Women move the needle

The problem is when you can't get your demographic by cultivating the group of people you want. So you lazily just slap a higher price on those you don't want, instead of fixing the actual problem. Like others have said. If you truly wanted less single guys, put a limit on the amount that can come (I've seen that). Or vet each single guy yourself by only allowing men you personally can vouch for (I've seen that too). Or only allow single men if they are with a couple (Check). None of those require you to charge me an extra $75 vs a single woman. And that $75 hasn't told you a single thing about the type of man I am. In fact, I know that I can get in your club, no matter who the hell I really am, because the only criteria is having $75 that day. Yes if it was $20, it would be flooded with men... But again.. It can be $20 AND a membership, and then you charge $100 a month for the membership if you want.. But that man has been vetted to even get one.

But that's the least likely thing you see. What you see 80% of the time is either don't come or come with double to triple what anyone else will pay. We don't care about a single other thing except money, but we'll say it's to keep the bad seeds out. I guess no bad seeds have $100. And years of being a great person and wonderful single, won't get you any breaks either. They just know we'll pay it because everyone is doing it, so we have no choice. Like I said before.. Either don't come, or come with triple. I've made peace with it lol.

Yeah both of our area clubs we go to charge the same for single guys and couples and have a 1:6 single guy ratio allowance, 1 single guy for every 6 women (whether they are a singke female or part of a couple)

Once again, charging more does not guarantee if the SM is an asshole or not and does nothing to assure it won’t be a “sausage fest”. There may be hundreds of guys willing to pay the premium to get in. Charging more for SMs simply increases the profit for the club which is not a criticism, just a fact.

As Hotluvrs alluded to, controlling how many guys is most effectively handled by simply limiting the number of SMs admitted. If you want to try to limit the assholes, require a couple to vouch for them and then keep a list of the single guys who behave and maintain a good reputation and limit admission to those guys.

Any other method is strictly financially motivated.

~Scamp

Charging singles more is mostly a money grab. Personally, I have nothing against it. A business can try to make money any way they wish and if there are guys willing to pay, both parties are happy.

If a club didn’t care about the money they would simply restrict the number of single men. FunBoomers here in Louisville does exactly that. I think their limit is 10 single men per night, but they charge the same whether the guest is single or part of a couple.

Scamp, Let me clarify MY opinion.....That they often charge single men more as to discourage an overabundance of single men, so it doesn't become a "Sausage Festival"

What does Needles have to do with it ... are you saying that Flea was there dressed as his Needles Character from BTTF2 & BTTF3?? Did he ask somebody to scan his card or to race??

Sorry couldn't resist lol

Anywho ... "The fee is not there to make an income, it is in place to discourage those men who may otherwise abuse the privileges of being there. "

So you're saying charging more equates to respectful gentlemen? Yes, there are lots of respectful gentlemen out there with lots of disposable income ... but there are lots of asshole guys with disposable income also ... just like there are lots of great respectful gentlemen who cant afford to go to events often, and thank goodness, there are lots of asshole guys who cant afford to go either.

The 2 area clubs we go to both charge the same for couples and single guys.

Scamp

While I appreciate your point of view, I disagree with you.

There are too many single males are truly in the lifestyle. They pretend to be with the premise of getting laid. I attended an event in which the people there were by invite only and wouldn't you know it...

A single male at that party was a complete ass, he approached couples and attempted to join in, no respect, no asking. I think he thought that he had free reign when in fact he didn't. Needles to say he was escorted out

Now I am not saying their are not single men in the lifestyle that are gentleman and know the rules and respect that are required in this lifestyle, truth be told the percentage is not high though

The fee is not there to make an income, it is in place to discourage those men who may otherwise abuse the privileges of being there.

“It has been my opinion the reasoning behind those events that allow and charge single men larger fees was to limit the amount of single men and to hopefully attract quality, not quantity.”

Once again, the size of a guy’s wallet has zero to do with the “quality” of the guy. Which completely disproves your premise for why single men are overcharged.

It is a money grab plain and simple.

~Scamp