Why is it hard to get a response?

Fort Payne, AL, Us

GeorgiaGuy - the messages I respond best to usually make some sort of comment about our RV trip or some of the hobbies I mentioned in our profile. And then they go on to ask if we'd like to exchange emails or meet and see about mutual interest. Unfortunately many profiles don't give you much information to work with.

It sounds like you are doing your best to be respectful and polite so you should have success eventually. I think I've heard 20% response rate tossed around as being pretty good - and that includes the "thanks but no thanks" responses. This is not a quick process - it takes time to find people you'd like to meet and time to arrange meetings when you get a positive response.

~Phoebert's Wife

Santa Barbara, CA, Us

@Georgia

Think about this for a minute. If you were to walk up to a couple at a bar, would your opening line be, "I'd like to fuck her doggy style while she sucks your dick." I don't think you would ever open with that, hell, it may take quite a while to get to that point. Why would you ever open with that in an email?

The best responses we get from males are ones that have shown that they have read the profile. The message doesn't have to be 300 words, but it had better be better than the latest one, "Let's play - I am available now" followed by his name and number. Well fuck . . . had I known that, I would have told my wife to leave work immediately and let's go meet this guy (yes that is sarcasm) The best responses will mention something specific in the profile. Considering we are not a hotbed of local activity, the best ones will also mention that they are going to be in the area during a period of time. I chuckle when single males actually think that we/or my wife are going to drive 2 hours away to come visit them. That's just funny.

While this works for message us, it may not others. So I'd say the best thing to do is be polite. I don't think anyone wants a rude/crass message as an opening.

Oakdale, LA, Us

Well...I am a single guy.

I review the profile to get some idea of interest and compatibility.
I do reach out and introduce myself.
I address the couple in the message ... don't address sex or sex acts .
Give a couple of quick descriptives about my personality.

Should I not do that?

Recommendations?

Santa Barbara, CA, Us

@Harley

I would agree with you that a lot of people do not read. Our profile is at least as specific as yours. The messages we get . . . well, let's just say, right now the little birdy has 239 above the mail. Those are ones that we got that are just comical and not worthy of responding to.

I think a major problem is that people do not read the other people's profile before messaging.

We are fairly specific about what we are looking for. If you do not meet our specifications, we will not respond. If we do respond it will not be pretty. If you do meet what we are looking for, we will respond very nicely.

I will say this, for me and my wife we want some one who can talk. when we get all the one liners of hey, etc. Or the ones that say Want to watch me fuck your wife blah blah blah. We delete those automatically. My wife isn't a piece of meat to be ordered from the butcher. she is a person and frankly communication is key for us before we even want to respond. Pictures is also a must. We don't want to see dick pics, we want to see what you look like.

DNLBVeteran
Pensacola, FL, Us

" If you do a terrible job, well, they WILL tell all their friends about it"

Truer words were never spoken.

And considering that they come from someone who's discernment of true words is marginal at best, I suggest you heed them well.

Santa Barbara, CA, Us

Humility is a good quality.

Now here is some other advice for you :) It's worth what you are paying for it.

The age thing. Hey, I get it. Preferences are preferences. But you might want to rethink this one a little. There are two reasons. Here is the first.

Look at your computer monitor. There are pixels on the screen. Chances are there are 1920 across by 1080 down. By trying to find a woman who is 25 who wants to fuck a 49 year old, well, that is like limiting your screen to about 5 pixels. Are they out there? Yeah. Is it easy to find them? Nope. I am a couple of years older than you and I have been with a 19 year old and a 72 year old on the spectrum. Ironically, they were back to back on different nights. The 19 year old was the worst sex EVER. The 72 year old, well, that ties into the next point. When you go to a club or bar to meet a woman, do you ask her for her ID? How do you check her age? Or do you go for attraction first? For me, the 72 year old, omg, I had guessed she was late 40s early 50s. Hell, my wife did. And so did a bunch of other people. The sex was very good and quite enjoyable. I didn't find out how old she was until after the fact. I was floored. My dick didn't ask her age :) My dick liked her!

Now back to the pixels on your screen. If those are all the couples and single females out there, you are already limited to as to who will want to be with a SM. It's a small subset. And in that subset, you are going to find that the majority of women in it are at least in their mid 40s and if not older. Why? Because they and their spouse are much more comfortable with each other and their sexuality. People take time to get to their comfort level. Women, as much as people want to think it is like porn, are picky, finicky and insecure. Does a 32 year old, who has been married for 6 years want to tell her husband, "Hey honey, you know I love you, but I want to go fuck a lot of single males." Yeah . . . it may happen, but it probably will not. Now take a 45 year old woman who has been married for twenty years. By that time she has learned that her husband ain't leaving her. They have been in the lifestyle for 12 years. They know what works for them. She says, "You know, I'd like to start fucking a lot more SMs either MFM or solo." She says this because they are comfortable. So determine how many pixels you want lit on your monitor :)

Now the weight thing . . . I think you should change your profile around. Congrats, you have decided to workout and probably eat healthy. We are a fat nation and you are probably in one of the fattest states. There are different ways to say what you want to accomplish. For me, I realize that I can stand to loose weight and hit the gym. However, I can see my dick and would be what I call a typical american. I need to lose about 15-20 lbs. Am I attracted to 300lb women. Nope. Do I need to sit on my computer and scream, "No fatties!" Nah. No gain. I can say that we are looking for people who may not be in perfect shape, but do make it to the gym before they go out for ice cream :) You said the same thing, but you didn't call the person reading your profile a slob.

For the lifestyle to work for you, what's going to have to happen is someone is going to have to take a 'chance' on you. What you want to do is find meetups and go. Find parties and ask if they let SMs in. You will eventually find a couple or SF that will fuck you. Then, if you do a good job, you will pray that they tell all their friends about you. If you do a terrible job, well, they WILL tell all their friends about it. But if you do that good job, you will get passed around. You will move from group to group and have a great time. That just takes time. Like I said before, there are not 10,000 supermodels waiting for YOU.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Springfield, MO, Us

I'd like to 1st offer an apology to anyone that I may have offended during my quest for knowledge. To the others that actually took the time to offer helpful tips, thank you.
There's no better way to show appreciation for the words of wisdom than to see someone put in the effort too become better than when they started, thx.

New Orleans, LA, Us

...oh, and an apology goes a long way when you fuck up or when other's perception is that you've fucked up. Sadly though, the high road is too often the road less traveled.

Carry on,

BT

New Orleans, LA, Us

OP, not 3-6 months to make mistakes! 3-6 months for things to start clicking and for you to feel like the effort that you have to put into this is reaping rewards. You don't really wanna make 3-6 month worth of mistakes. Trust me.. you don't. Get those out of the way early.

You will also feel offended quite often and you'll need thick skin to keep you from responding in kind. Don't respond in kind.

My last bit of advice, despite you not having asked, pick up a quick read called "Swingland, Between the Sheets of The Secretive, Sometimes Messy, But Always Adventurous Swinging Lifestyle. It's written by a SM and geared toward SMs. I stumbled upon it about a year in and wish I had read it earlier. I downloaded it as an eBook and have re-read it a few times.

Good luck,

BT

Phoenix, AZ, Us

I would suggest foregoing defensiveness in the future. It's not a good look and exposes you in ways you probably wouldn't appreciate.

Also, last time I checked, you had raised your age limit to 55, so apparently you felt there was some merit to the criticism.

DNLBVeteran
Pensacola, FL, Us

I was going with Saddle a Donkey, thank you for the clarification.

BTW, a married lady with a preference for older men is ALWAYS going to be more successful than a single guy looking for younger women, doncha think? And when you ask for advice and then insult people who respond it makes other respondents question your sincerity. So good luck with that and since you enjoy acronyms here's one you can have: FOAD.

tbrmskssVeteran
San Diego, CA, Us

If you are easily offended, you should probably not be on the internet at all...

New Orleans, LA, Us

Kudos for coming back to clarify, and we all knew what S A D meant, we were just playing with you.

Thick skin and sense of humor go a long way, stick around, read some of the other SM profiles who post regularly and try to focus on what you have to offer others rather than what you want or expect from the LS.

~Scamp

Springfield, MO, Us

I'm still learning to navigate this site. I think Bt said give me 3-6 months to make mistakes. I hope my last reply is received well. If not then....

Springfield, MO, Us

I hope this brings clarity to my rant. Someone replied to my request for help by criticizing me for my age preference being that I'm 49. When I looked at their profile their partner is 20yrs their senior. I felt offended that a hypocrite would take the time to criticize me for my preference, when they're doing the same thing.
I am a nice guy, but there is a line I will defend. Fyi S.A.D (Suck A Dick)

Springfield, MO, Us

Can anyone see this message?

New Orleans, LA, Us

S.A.D.....

Somehow, I think a dick is involved ;-)

BT

New Orleans, LA, Us

Gee, and he seemed like such a nice fellow.

S A D: Solo And Dumb?

Stop And Drop?

Stinging And Dripping?

~Scamp

that7girlRegular
Clyde, NC, Us

His email closed by advising me to go S.A.D.

Seasonal Affective Disorder? Sing and dance? Sit atop donkey?

that7girlRegular
Clyde, NC, Us

Scamp, his objection was to my stated age preference being older than myself, while his was younger, so what's the diff?
And yeah, he doesn't seem to actually be receptive to any advice.

New Orleans, LA, Us

So the OP didn’t have the time to reply to any of the advice he asked for but he had time to send a private nastgram?

I had actually removed a paragraph from the end of my original reply here because I didn’t want to get snarky. It was about how I won’t hold my breath to see an example of an email as not one person asking for advice has ener provided one and most don’t ever bother checking back in or replying.

~rabbit~

Fairfield, CT, Us

BT. is spot on, and as usual he said it well.

that7girlRegular
Clyde, NC, Us

Dude sent me an abusive email, so I blocked him.